Australia is Building a $100BN Mega-Railway in Melbourne
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In this, our second video dedicated to the subject of Australian railways, we will try to uncover the Suburban Rail Loop - a multidecade, staggering, 100 billion dollars project, that, if completed as planed, will represent the biggest transformation of public transport in whole Australian history!
Just note that this project, unlike our previous Australian topic, 'the non-existent high-speed rail in Australia', actually commenced, last year.
Some basic info about the project is that the Suburban Rail Loop sets out to create a groundbreaking 90-km orbital rail line connecting all major metropolitan train lines in Melbourne, including the Melbourne Airport, boasting up to 12 new underground stations.
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Quick note, at 1:37, the flag shown is New Zealand's, not Australia, but they are very similar!
Daniel Andrews is also not our "former Prime Minister."
@@jamesfahey4508yeah this bloke has no clue what he's on about
14:14 -
It's Sydney, not Sidney
former premier now lol@@jamesfahey4508
@@jamesfahey4508he is now
The reality is that SRL would greatly benefit from the improved bus network. Both bus network redesign and increased frequencies would lead to more people using the rail network.
i swear they better make the 902 BRT by the time SRL east is open
@@bucket6386honestly there is no reason for the 90x routes to be BRT
Or electric scooters will be fully legal by then. even a cheap scooter can go upto 30KM range which is within range of most bus lines and enough juice for most people to get to a train station
pmaybe parts of the busiest sections of the 90x routes but like, i don't think the 901 should be brt that's kinda silly@@tylerdotapp
As a bus driver on 903, I can’t see how patronage can justify a rail line that effectively is 02 and 03 combined. We don’t have many people travelling between stations on those routes.
Multiple serious research errors in this video.
1. The $100b includes not just construction costs but some recurrent costs, if I recall correctly even such things as replacement of the original rolling stock when it is life-expired in 40 years. That was what the opppostion party asked for the report to include, so it does - but it bears little resemblance to the actual costs.
2. Melbourne’s suburban rail network was nationalised in the 19th century when it was still two quite small disjoint railways, and its radial nature is a consequence of the "Octopus Act” of around 1890, in which the then colonial government built the lines. It was planned that way. There weren’t companies building train lines and selling the land around them like in London.
3. We drive on the left here.. you actually mirror flipped the bus footage to make it look otherwise!
4. The Commonwealth means the Federal Government, not the international organisation whose logo I assume that is.
5. Spelling of Sydney.
6. Melbourne is already more populous than Sydney.
7. The State Govenment took this to two elections and won them both, and Dan Andrews had already been Premier for a term the first time - he was not “inconing”. He won power originally by promising two other rail projects, the Metro Tunnel and the level crossing removals.
The purpose of the SRL is not to provide short-distance hops in an orbital direction - we already have a set of concentric orbital buses for that on 15 minute frequency. It is to:
1. Allow someone near the outer or middle parts of an existing railway line who needs to get to a destination on *another* line to do so without having to go into the city or an inner city junction. That’s why it runs at 100km/h and has so few stations.
2. Provide stations for large trip generators which lack rail. In particular, Monash University’s Clayton campus is a huge trip generator (after the airport, the biggest one without a station) and is currently served by a high intensity bus shuttle from an existing train station. SRL East will connect Monash with 4 train lines and the very high density residential area of Box Hill.
Yeah your point around Monash/Clayton is a good one. It is currently to highest growing jobs & research growth sector in the entire state of Victoria, only behind the CBD itself. Many people From the South to the East on adjacent train lines, within say a 20 min drive, would love to get a direct train to Monash without going into the city and back for a 60+ min journey (plus as you say, monash doesn't have a train station so the current journey also involves an additional bus).
Some of the bus footage is also clearly from the UK, not Australia.
Absolutely, a whole bunch of crass errors in this one. At 6:01, with a caption about Victoria state, the video shows a class 465 commuter train in its final approach to Victoria Station - in London!. In previous videos I just about tolerated the presenter sounding like a benign dalek, no matter how irritating. My finger hovers over the "unsubscribe" button.
@@Croz89 I didn;'t spot that, but @15:36 you can clearly read backwards signs to Laverton and Kororoit Creek Rd., in Melbourne’s western suburbs. followed by a backwards Australian-style 50km/h sign a few seconds later.
@@francisernens1795 The clip is at 4:25.
5:18 Daniel Andrews is not the "Former Prime Minister" . He has been the Premier of Vicotoria continuously since 2014. He has never been Prime Minister of Australia
Thank God
Don't give him any ideas 😃
I thought he was dictator for life
@@1967bluesfan or until we find someone better, any suggestions?
@@alexlanning712anyone else!
I love the New Zealand flag that they show as Australian. ❤
Rarely acknowledged is that Melbourne has the largest electric Tram network in the World. Thanks for your very impressive video.
So Melbourne is spending 100B AUD = 60B Euros on a single new line, a tunnel and some new stations. I’m from Melbourne and now live in Paris, where for 41B Euros, 200km of new underground lines, 68 new stations and a high speed airport link to CDG are all being built. Oh and built in less than half the time… Something very inefficient somewhere in Australia.
We have a TON of roads that would be great for cut and cover in SE Melbourne but NIMBYs stopped cut and cover years ago. Personally, I think we should use the existing rail right of way known as the outer loop reserve that orbits the inner city suburbs to build a new line, before tunneling to Jewel station.
its not a single line the project is divided into 4 segments with the entire orbital route scheduled to open in 2050s now only The SRL east is under construction which will open in 2035 and SRL airport was due to open in 2029 but was postponed due to lack of funding
@@aymanla471 So it's a single line, built in stages. Lol. = 1 line. The fact that it will take decades is even more surprising. It is one line, at 50% more the cost than the Grand Paris Express project (of multiple lines, 68 stations and 200km of underground metro), and taking 2-3 times as long. The point stands.
Yes, all we Anglosphere countries need to get our s*it together when it comes to building infrastructure efficiently.
Bro Australia particularly Melbourne is a joke how does it take 32 years to complete a 90kn line in Istanbul Europes Biggest /Largest City they just completed a 90Km all underground high speed metro line 120km hour in like 6-7 Years it’s completed it’s gonna take these guys 32 years and $100 billion dollars it will never ever completely finish mate they get all there money and finance from China
Vic should focus on investing in our regional rail network a lot more alongside the surburban network, V/line's service is atrociously poor and a lot of our regional towns are shrivelled up shadows of what they used to be. Many towns used to have rail connections but they were pulled up many years ago unfortunately. Places like Leongatha or Mansfield would benefit from just having a train again
What's needed a high quality "regional service" for commuters that goes about 100km out of the city. The Paris RER is a good example of this, of even trains around Zurich, Switzerland. This could be done on five or even six lines. It would enable the towns within the zone to develop and disperse the population out of Melbourne..
and Wonthaggi as well
The south Gippsland railway line is now mostly bike track but hopefully it will be reopened one day
well the current victorian government only governs for inner melbourne and has no desire to improve transport to regional victoria. even promises made to outer melbourne such as the electrification and increased frequency to the outer west have recently been scrapped.
Add dedicated express tracks in the city and fully separate the v/line services from the local metro trains. Electrify them too and remove all grade crossings
Very interesting to see this I' in New South Wales and never knew this was going on in Melbourne but the change of Government always through's a spanner in the works of the former one like in Sydney with the new Metro lines.
Thank you for the in-depth information on the new railway system.
The current Labour Gov are now going on 9 years in power. However, I agree that Governments shouldn't be let anywhere near a box of spanners. Now in Sydney you are left with Metro lines that don't connect and won't be inter-compatible with each other ... someone should be jailed for that sort of hostage holding nonsense. The Government transport body should dictate the parameters, not the consortiums constructing and future proofing their own business.
It seems that the estimated value of the whole project is too high, but certainly considering that Australia is one of the richest countries in the world comparing GDP with the rest of the world, it is really strange that Melbourne and the other largest cities in Australia do not ALREADY have a much better developed urban railway network... P.S. Great video 😉...
The Yanks are our biggest foreign influence and it shows in our transport networks…
the answer to your last comment "do not ALREADY have a much better developed urban railway network" is mainly due to conservative state governments in the late 1980's who decided to sell off the suburban network to private operators (Melbourne) while in Sydney to discontinue proposed suburban rail extensions to the north west & south west of sydney.
It does seem high, but it is over a very long time.
You have to remember it's in AUD, which is just over half the value of USD. So the total cost of the project is $50-60 Billion USD. Still a lot for a urban transport project, Crossrail in the UK cost about half that and that was considerably over budget, but considering its length, number of stations and length of tunnelling, it probably isn't too unreasonable, though other first world cities are managing to do more with less.
One of the hidden things in the Parliamentary Budget Office costings is it includes operating cost, and a refresh.
it was asked for to display a large price for the election that the opposition who asked for the report lost.
It's curious that although Melbourne has the biggest tram network in the world, the word "tram" is mentioned just once in the narration. Connecting the tram system to these rail lines should be a major part of this plan.
Rip Berlin Tram network, without west Berlin destroying its Tram network it wouldn't be only the third biggest one😢
@soulsphere9242the tram network was initially built to compete with the railways, not complement them. Hence why so many tram lines run parallel to railway lines.
Melbourne has a a shocking Metro system there is only like 4/5 stations underground the rest is on top plus there is NO direct metro train to connect the Airport which means use are 30 Years behind still compared to Europe
Some tram lines will reach these stations. At least one that I know of. The stations are so far out in the suburbs that it might be better to have more trains that connect to the stations.
The line is too far out. Aside from Box Hill and Burwood, where there's already lines to interchange, none of the others are close. There are plans to connect Monash station to one, but that's a minimum 10km line. There's so many smaller wins all across the tram network of 1km extensions that would be a much easier sell in the 2030s than big extensions to an area already regarded as decently served by public transport.
Given current project blowouts some local transport analysts predict it will be closer to AUD$1 trillion if it ever gets completed. They do not have funding for competing the first section as yet. The airport line project has already been stopped indefinitely. They should have the small section from the airport to Broadmeadows station as a priority. It would have provided a major win (airport rail connection) for a relatively low cost.
God help us if they don’t stop building this
Melbourne overtook Sydney recently to now be Australia's largest city by population.
No you are simply wrong, all metrics point otherwise.
@@marcozolo3536 it depends on which city boundary you use, GCSSA or SUA. Following the 2021 Australian census the ABS redefined the boundaries of each city in Australia to reflect the actual extent of each city and determined that Melbourne had a population (in 2021) that was 18,700 greater than Sydney's. Clearly not ALL metrics point to Sydney being larger.
@@mattking1437 By the way the latest McCrindle population report in 2023 by the ABS, puts Sydney at 5,296,000 and Melbourne at 5,029,000. That's almost the entire population of Hobart. So not by a small margin like alot of people would have you believe. Just FYI.
McCrindle is a respected source of information under the ABS, Australian bureau of statistics, regularly holding live presentations to government bodies and corporations alike on their data collecting services.
@@marcozolo3536 yea but mcCrindle doesnt include Geelong in Melbournes greater boundary despite including all of the central coast in Sydneys greater boundary which would more or less make the difference. i dont really get why this matters to you so much lets not split hairs and just agree theyre about the same size
Yes, New Zealand flag.
I think expanding Melbourne’s population is madness.
I live a kilometre from Melbourne’s defunct outer circle railway line. It only lasted 2.5 years. Hopefully the government can get better participation of rail usage than they could 120 years ago. I suspect the more a government spends on either rail, or roads, or bicycle paths the more attractive each will be. Therefore the more usage any of them will attract.
That’s assuming the governments are not dills. Which is a bit of a stretch of my imagination.
1:36, Umm, that's not the Australian flag, guys!
Haha - oops!
So many visual errors.
LOL - do they have a kiwi editor
@@JoshuaBenbrook Haha, it's a psyop - slowly absorb Australia into New Zealand...
2053... lol. Absurd how snail pace these whole project is.
presumably thats because of the extensive tunneling and so the insane cost is more spread out
Thanks for the vid. Very informative as usual👍
We've heard the same argument about buses for decades. "Let's get rid of rail and use buses instead. They're cheaper and more flexible." All good and well, but buses have a lot of disadvantages as well, most notably that they generally share the same infrastructure as private cars. And they have far lower capacity.
Having said all that, 30 years?! There's a good chance I won't be around any more when they finish, assuming that there aren't any delays. And it sounds like an awful lot of money.
Do more videos about areas outside Europe, though. They're also doing a major rail project in Brisbane at the moment.
Maybe if you're not from the growing outer suburbs of Melbourne you won't understand that bus routes and frequency are severely lacking, many suburbs are without a single bus route, and you're lucky to have a bus route with a frequency of 30 mins or less.
As an outer Melbourne suburban voter who relies 100% on public transit, the SRL is a transparantly ridiculous proposal. We have a big problem here with our economy being driven almost entirely by the construction and infrastructure business ever since manufacturing collapsed. This is primarily what drives government decisions, rather than urban and suburban planning.
Yet many voters feel hamstrung because the Labor govt is the only govt committed to any public transit whatsoever, previous governments have only dismantled public transport infrastructure, or let it fall into disrepair, and privatized the rest. So voters will cling to flashy proposals even if its a complete fantasy.
I just hope that its abandoned sooner rather than later and that taxpayer money can go to more bus routes and increasing bus frequency where its desperately needed. (for much of the most used routes, the road network is extensive and often use dedicated bus lanes)
@@Haldered My knowledge of Australia can be summarised to that I know a few people that live in Sidney. So perhaps I'm reasoning from the country that I live in, which is incredibly densely populated, and where there are only buses. Traffic is a nightmare, and the only realistic way to deal with this is to build an underground railway. It would cost roughly one third of annual GDP. So that's not in offing.
@@SeverityOne Sorry, but the Western Rail Plan and the Somerton link is far more important. The trouble is with PT in this state that it is concentrated on huge infrastructure projects. The Bus Network needs an overhaul. Revamping the Bus network for a fraction of the price buying decent buses and a much more frequent service to all suburbs will do far more than the blessed SRL fantasy.
The Bus Network is garbage for the most part with most routes running every 30 mins during the week and hourly on weekends till about 9. Absolutely ridiculous. As far as I am concerned, they can take that expensive boondoggle of a project designed to woo marginal seats in the East and SE and shove it.
Finally a train station in my suburb (Doncaster)
Wrong flag, wrong buses, wrong description of Daniel Andrews, and I'm only a few minutes in. Come on, if you're going to present as an educational channel/video, get the basics right!
yoooooo, i was incessantly researching this just yesterday, i never knew you would know and care about this low detail, extreme timeline project
Melbourne surpassed Sydney in population numbers earlier this year, something that was forecast to occur in 2030!
I'm more interested in the future 2nd Metro Tunnel. It will link the Werribee Line to the Mernda Line.
Having worked on the job, this video is a fair summary.
[I think I saw the NZ flag, not Australia’s! 🤪]
THAT WASN'T THE AUSTRALIAN FLAG, THAT WAS THE FLAG OF THE SHEEP SHAGGERS IN NEW ZEALAND,
It's worth it. The value of the investment do get paid back in shorter periods.
This is honestly too expensive and crazy as someone who lives in Queensland although I’m not in Victoria it seems wasteful for such a line, elevated rail or even median high way running high way rail will be much cheaper and cost effective and more stations need to be built also.
At least we actually build things lol. And no, slr is needed rather then an elevated line as it goes though some hills and mountains.
@@haydnskinner528 Mountains? ... Where the heck do you live, we don't have mountains in Melbourne save for the Dandenongs (which are a fringe locale). You'll probably find that a greater reasoning for not having elevated rail is that property acquisitions would be unpalatable and cost prohibitive. The elevated rail we have introduced has only been at the substitution of existing rail corridors.
I also don't understand the purpose of chastising a Queenslander, when their Cross River Rail project and Metro City Bus projects are edging toward completion ... in a city where you can get an airport train and then travel from Brisbane to the Goldcoast on one transport mode, or the equivalent of getting a train at Tullamarine and going direct to Geelong. So given we come from a city where we already stuffed the Commonwealth Games, giving the finger to a city who will be hosting the Olympic Games starts to look a bit silly.
From the other side of the world it looks like a good idea. Hope it works out for them.
$ 100 billion seems absurd ..and as a Melbournian I can't see how it will benefit the city that much... I can't help but think that a direct bus or tram that takes a similar route is the better option.
And they spelt Sydney incorrectly when talking about housing affordability! It’s Sydney not Sidney.
The flag is the New Zealand flag.
Hopefully you will make an analysis about the several existing Sydney metro projects in the pipeline. An informative video thanks.
Great proposal. We will take it into consideration.
I will be dead by completion and my children will be in retirement. Tullamarine Airport was built in the '70s to replace Essendon Airport - due to housing expansion and larger planes. I have always believed that the original rail lines could be extended as required. Victoria has debts exceeding 3 major states. An example of wastage is winning the C'wealth Games, then pulling out. Expenditure done and compensation payment to the C'wealth Games Commitee. I believe that in the future govt's, this massive project will change
Melbourne is actually Australia's most populated city
"♫ Monorail... Monorail... Monorail... ♫"
Why are they burying the entire line when it's going to serve lower density suburban areas? There's quite a bit of room for a more cost effective elevated alternative that would most likely end up costing half as much.
Why is everything built underground?? Why not built like Skyrail?? The duration it takes to build and finish everything is pathetic!
because you can't put a skyrail pillar through someones living room... there's property in the way
@@hugomal I'm surprised that those same people haven't complained about rail tunnels and trains beneath them causing noise and vibration.
@@pauly5418 that's a good point... its taking a while to get going so that probably a reason
@@hugomal I made that comment because I've seen that here in Canada. Once someone sees on a map that the tunnel is directly beneath their home they think OMG the value of my home is going to go down. In our case, to appease a few homeowners, the tunnel will be built unnecessarily very deep at a much greater cost.
@@pauly5418 So they should be shallow and vibrate people’s homes?
2:41 its the most populace now i think
The people who recommend buses to replace the SRL clearly haven't taken buses lol
The people who want to spend $100 Billion on a suburban rail have taken leave of their senses.
While I am supportive of the project I think we desperately need to address the neglect of our bus network especially in a role as a feeder to rail lines.
Yet, the 'simple' Tullamarine to city line, has been recently been postponed indefinitely.
I don't think it would only be 5%. Most people just don't pay for their fares and ticket inspectors hardly do anything
Is it normal to take 30+ years for just a handful of stations tho?
for an underground system yeah
If they have a single crew work from one end to the other, yes. Provides long-term jobs and stretches costs out. With multiple sites being worked on at the same time, it could be done quicker, but with a larger number of shorter term jobs and all the cost to be paid much quicker too. :)
@@emdB67 do you live in melbourne ? cause where is its going too and from, it has to be done the way they are saying
@@mitchellhand5327 In Victoria, but not Melbourne.
I wouldcsay no.
The City Circle Line of the Copenhagen metro is 15,5 kilometers long and took under 10 years to build.
100 bn on estimates now. This from a govt that estimated the commonwealth games was going to cost 2.6 billion and then less than a year later cancels them citing 7.2 billion as the revised figure. I wonder what the revised figures on this will be in 30 years ??
I left after living there all my life, cannot stand traffic or crowds . I am in a small
town as far Tropical north as I could go. I did it 3 years ago, now at 76, this is it for me.
I am going to build a pie in the sky. I will have this complete before Melbourne's SRL rail project
Melbourne built the Outer Circle line with a similar route in the 1890s. It was an expensive failure because while there was a lot of traffic from the suburbs to the city, there was not enough demand for travel between suburban areas. I suspect it is more than a coincidence that this proposed line traverses marginal (swing) seats, because people will like the idea of a train station and may vote for politicians who propose it, but not many will use such an indirect route. There are many better proposals for new lines such as ones to Donvale, Rowville and a direct route from the city centre to Newport. But those proposed lines are not in marginal seats in the Victorian Parliament.
The outer circle was a quite different project, much closer in to the city. This project is completely different and serves a totally transformed city.
its linking existing key transport hubs, plus stations at places that took ages to get to, monash uni, deakin burrwood, la trobe, and the airport. this service will be used
@@robinhenry1824 If you look at the route of the Outer Circle and extend it eastwards on the route of the Rosstown Railway, the route of the proposed new railway is fairly similar, but a few stations further out. I'm very much pro trains and trams, I don't have a car myself, I just believe that there are many better projects the money could be spent on that would be much more useful to travelers, such as a line to Rowville which would include a station at Monash University.
@@robinhenry1824It's still quite far out, the closest it gets to the city is at royal park, and that's still like 4 km away from the CBD. Besides, the alamein line already uses part of it, so resurrecting the loop would allow for more services on the Belgrave and lilydale lines, while allowing for connections between Royal park, Caufield, Kew and Camberwell. All destinations with a great potential for Transport oriented urban regeneration. And if you extended it 2 km to Moonee Ponds....
However, things are different today. In a lot of countries, most trips are now done from suburb to suburb.
Thanks. A few errors in the graohics though.
my home city
You seem to have promoted Dan Andrew’s from Victorian state Premier to national Prime Minister? Someone should tell him, I’m sure he didn’t know it at the time!
A intresting Video Idea would be the destruction of Public transport in west Berlin, losing its complete Tram network qnd large parts of the S-Bahn
6 min starting intervals is a quantum leap for Melbourne already. I'm scared they think we will need the capacity for 2 minute headways.
Just one small correction, Dan andrews is not a former prime minister, but the current premier
unfortunately
I'm a big fan of the SRL - it's a very forward looking plan for the next hundred years of Melbourne. However that being said, I think it's way way way overcost and overbudget. But such is the rort in Australia's infrastructure
14:12 Sydney not Sidney😂😂
Need to get rid of the srl and finally build the airport link.
Melbourne just cancelled their airport rail link after spending $600m on it. The place is going to sink into debt…..
$600 Million as far as Infrastructure goes is nothing.
Melbourne and Sydney are too large, they should have followed the plan from the 70's that limited central growth and developed multiple rural cities, so Victoria became a state of cities, (rather than a city state). It is crazy in such an unpopulated country we have crowded half the population into two congested cities. Unfortunately it is cheaper and easier to just put roads and houses on the next farm land then later add shops, schools, transport (etc) from different budgets.
20 subs - 380billion
Public transport for millions - Nah! Too expensive. Can't afford that.
Logo at around 14m45secs is the Commonwealth of Nations, not the Australian Commonwealth Government :) Just FYI
The project is likely on the chopping block with the high level of state debt and departure of Dan Andrews as Victorian premier
Holdens 3:02 were made in Adelaide. Not Melbourne.
It was Ford that had a presence in Geelong, near Melbourne.
The first Holdens were made in Holden's Dandenong Factory in Melbourne and Pagewood NSW, they were then moved later to Elizabeth in SA
@@sniper.93c14 Fishermans Bend I'm pretty sure, Dandenong came later. Either way Holden definitely had a vehicle manufacturing presence in Melbourne. The footage shown is probs from Adelaide though.
Also Ford had an assembly plant in Broadmeadows
@@rh4224 sorry I meant the Holden Commodore specifically, but yes I think you are quite right with Holden being first in Fishermen's bend
Hi, I love the video and I found it very informative. It was great to see my states capital's upcoming rail project.
When making a video regarding Australia, please use an Australian flag and not the New Zealand flag. I know that they look similar, but the New Zealand flag has lovely red and white stars and the Australian flag doesn't. The Australian flag has five stars in the Southern Cross and the New Zealand flag has only got four. Also the Australian flag has a 7 point star under the Union Jack (British Flag). All the stars on the Australian flag is white.
As a proud Victorian, I did find the spelling of the capital of New South Wales amusing, it is spelt Sydney and not Sidney.
1:36 how to trigger an Australian:
Daniel andrews wasn't a PM. Don't know where you for that from but he's only ever been in state politics not federal.
Cost are out of control. $100 should be plenty to get a high speed rail to Sydney
completion by 2053.... demands will have vastly changed by then, the new lines are going to be out-dated already as soon as they enter service
It's nice plan but doubtful it will ever get built given that it will take decades to complete and several changes of government.
We can't even afford to host the commonwealth games which is less than 1 tenth the cost of the rail loop.
Also during the pandemic, half of the population were able to work from home, I wonder what percentage of the population will be working from home or using self driving taxis to get to work by 2038.
My pipe dream would be a High Speed Rail Line between Melbourne and Sydney that went via the airport. That would probably cost the same, give most of us a fast way to get to the airport by train and stimulate economic growth along the rail line between Melbourne and Sydney like the Shinkansen did in Japan.
Sure there is a lot of tunnel to be bored, but a whopping 100bn AUD seem like... a lot, considering they're not that many stations planned. 15 stations for 75 km, that's a stop every 5.4 km. A huge gap for a Metro system. Take the new Paris Métro Line 15 as a good reference: Also 75 km, 36 Stations, longer trains (therefore stations) and less than 10bn EUR construction costs (17bn AUD).
There may be some shady things with the nature of soils. We are extremely lucky with this in Paris to be fair. And we also have the public construction companies, the train producters, the tools and business environment for the project already well estavlished in the country. It helps a lot to reduce costs.
It’s not a metro and not intended to cater for small hops - there are already orbital buses for that. The $100b is an incorrect figure. See my longer post from around 12 hours ago.
It's not a metro system. It converts an entirely radial train system into an orbital system by connecting all the radial lines from the city centre.
Thank you! Yes this going to really improve Melbourne.
NOT!!!!
@@hawthornvalley YES!!!!!!!!
@@hypercomms2001 No.
$100B over 25 years including inflation is about $45B in today's money (3.5% pa doubles prices in 20 years). $45B over 25 years is less than $2B per annum. And remember this includes construction, rolling stock, and operating costs. It's actually not as big as it sounds, especially if they get the value uplift done right.
Much of the criticism is political, and absent in Sydney where a centre-right govt did a similar thing (Sydney metro). Victoria has a centre-left govt and the Murdocracy is excessively biased.
Yeah but Sydney has not done a similar thing. I suggest you critically look at what Sydney (and Perth) has done compared to Melbourne.
SRL 将从改善的公交网络中受益匪浅。公交网络的重新设计和频率的增加都将导致更多的人使用铁路网络。
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WE LOVE MELBOURENE SRL RAIWAY PROJECT
14:13 Sydney is spelt Sindney, this is wrong and should be spelt as Sydney
The SRL would be an incredible boon for the entire state but it will be cancelled the literal second conservatives get voted back in.
It’s simply not possible that Labor will remain in power in Victoria through to 2043 or 2053.
IF THEY DO REMAIN IN POWER THE STATE WILL GO FROM BEING FUCKED, TO BEING WELL FUCKED
Will it? The WRP and the Somerton Link should be built way before the SRL.
Oh god, I'll be either retired or dead by the time it's open
5:19 why does it say former prime minister?!
Flag shown is not the Australian one.
I wouldn't talk up German trains in 1945. Better than their trains, or more over destinations, than say '43 or '44, but still...
Still no outer circular line!!!
As a resident of Reservoir, the voir is pronounced “vor” not “vwa”
The other project in Australia's near future is called "The Backbone" and connects all the eastern states/cities.
It's time more taxpayers got a backbone and stopped allowing politicians to rob them blind.
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It's ridiculous to tunnel that much, so far out from high value land in the CBD.
Surely it would save half the cost to build it above ground?!
Not really. If you have to put a TBM in the ground anyway, it’s often cheaper to use it all the way. They are doing just that on the Sydney West Airport Metro.
You can't. The aboveground road network is a rough grid, and the line is anything but. On top of that you'd have to account for massive topographical changes - the gap between Monash and Glen Waverley covers a creek valley, while Box Hill is quite a ways up (and as you can guess, is on a hill). It's just easier logistically to put (nearly) the whole line underground.
You'd be absolutely trashing the interchanges too - you'd have to account for an already elevated station (Clayton), an incredibly complex area that includes a railyard (Glen Waverley), and a station underneath a shopping centre surrounded by skyscrapers (Box Hill).
@@BlackGateofMordor I never said put it all above ground. I just can't believe it's cheaper to build it all underground.
But tbf, I'm not familiar with the area.
It’s still high value just less so then the inner city. Buying out the properties in the way and then building it would cost $300 billion. Property prices in Australia are enormous
you can't build it above ground, its literally impossible
Based on the number of daily riders, the project will pay for itself within a few decades
No it won't. There are no accurate numbers on the passengers who might use such a route but the figure is likely to be small. Don't include tradespeople who have to take equipment with them because they'll never use the train. If the cost is ever paid back it will take at least 100 years. It will be a man and a dog on the train, and the dog won't be paying.
Decades or centuries?
@@johnm838 most of melbourne commutes are suburb to suburb and since the rail network is fully radial i.e lines dont meet with each other outside the city, the only ways to commute between two suburbs on different train lines is to take a bus or drive, suburban rail loop will allow passengers to make their trip mostly or even entirely on train and considering there aren't going to be that many circumential connections the demand for this single route will be quite high
@@RealNotOrrio a trip made entirely by train means nothing in practical terms. There's nothing this couldn't achieve for me personally where I live in the outer eastern suburbs that wouldn't be achieved by higher frequency, higher capacity buses.
Dan andrews "former prime minister" 😂
*Most populous city as of this year
15:36 Has this video been reversed? I recognise the area.
One problem, you showed the New Zealand flag instead of the Australian flag. 🤣🤣
Considering we have the largest debt per state in the country this project will not happen in my lifetime
As a person having lived in Melbourne for over 20 years, this project, whilst in terms of monumental costs may be questionable, will greatly improve the current rail network connectivity and certainly help from an environmentally sustainable standpoint aswell.
Interestingly Melbourne used to already have a suburban rail loop of sorts way back until the 80s (i believe) called the outer circle line. This was at a time when Victoria had one of the most impressive and wide-spanning rail networks in not just Australia, but the world (part of a policy deemed the octopus act). Sadly in the 80s and 90s the more conservative (liberal) governments ripped it all to pieces and now we are left (40 years later) having to reinvest in what essentially already existed.
I would also imagine in the next 30 years plans for reimplementing old regional rail routes would have to be made (to diverge from car-centric travel), with focus on the Mildura, Leongatha, Mansfield, and Bright lines.
No, the Outer Circle like was from the 1890s. Parts of it became other lines, other parts became parks and other have been built on. The Liberal governments in the 80s/90s has proposed closing some less used lines, but that never happened. They did convert some train lines to tram lines.
@@garethjd78 The Port Melb and St Kilda Lines were coverted by the Cain/Kirner Governments, which are ALP I believe.
Lol😂 Good luck developing that .. Melbourne still doesn't have a train connection with its international airport 🤔 which has been paused
Eventually an army of 50,000 AI robots working 24/7 will build this thing in 2 years and come waaaay under budget.
Thats the new zealand flag mate
These are hardly what I’d call outer suburbs.
Melbourne is actually the biggest city of all in Australia and has been for a while now.
Simply untrue. Where is your second airport? Where is your extensive metro system in the works. There is simply no demand for it as in Sydney, or Melbourne doesn't have the funds to do it, which also raises the question as to why not when Sydney can.
@@marcozolo3536Our second airport could be considered as Essendon Fields, Avalon, or Moorabbin. The new airport it Sydney is because of YSSY being a mess. I was correcting the creator when he said that Sydney is the biggest.
@@Cmoose Melbourne is the biggest in terms of urban sprawl and land area I agree. As far as population size, Sydney is hitting 6 million in a few short years.
Its aggressively pursuing highrise to cater for the enormous demand in its already dense suburbs have. You need only visit Sydney to know how bustling its suburbs are becoming too. It has 18 suburbs in the top 20. With Melbourne suburbs of Southbank and Fitzroy only making spots 13 and 19.
I admire your zeal for wanting Melbourne to be the biggest, and I hope it can grow as ambitiously as Sydney one day, hell I would like a reality where even Perth and Brisbane exceed 6 million one day in my lifetime. But that isn't the case yet.
@@marcozolo3536 Mate that’s what I’m saying
@@marcozolo3536by an actual significant Urban area, Melbourne has more people, and continues to add more people than Sydney each year.
15:23 I knidly invite these bozos to commute by bus every day for a week and I think they’ll change their minds...
What for a $100 Billion SRL. Give over mate.
You used the New Zealand flag for Australia. That is our Österreik. You know that Australia is not Austria? You didn't really take that much interest in Australia if you couldn't even get the flag right.
wrong flag at the start mate
Wrong flag! And Sydney is spelt with a y
SRL TO CHEATHAM TO AIPORT WEST
HOLY CRAP A VIDEO ON SRL WTF LETS GOOOOOOO MELBOURNE MENTIONED MELBOURNE MENTIONED
also you used NZ flag in the intro *sigh*