Hmm ok so here's the thing: Professional Astrologers who use Synastry and Composite Chart methods, start by looking at each person's individual Natal Chart and getting a grasp of what each person is like individually, before even looking at Synastry, Composite and other methods. They are additional tools, to gain added insights that you might otherwise miss, and imho they have their worth.
Lol that is not what we said...Ive done at least 500 composite readings and simply don't find that they are very effective compared to the method I've outlined but each to their own!
I'm an astrologer and I love Synastry but not in the way you were describing. What I look at is the overlay of house placements, conjunctions and oppositions. This does nit predict compatibility nor longevity. It simply gives a feel for how connections can play out. I do agree that before I attempt a Synastry chart I look at the Natals beforehand. Yes, we are all on our own journeys and I honor that. People will come in our lives for different reasons and seasons. Synastry is NOT a crock! We are all here to both teach and learn. Twin souls and soulmates is not a concept I put much importance in simply because we evolve and grow. Sometimes that strengthens the couple other times we grow apart. This is life.
I use synastry charts for EVERYONE. Not just romantic relationships. All human interactions. Dont let shallow people turn you off to synastry. But ultimatly if it isnt for you, that's okay too. Thanks for all you do. Youre an amazing teacher
Love most of your content and astrological diagnosis. But you can tell pretty easily that you’ve viewed synastry analysis in contempt from the get go. I don’t think you really gave it a chance, and thus have an uncharacteristically slanted view. For example, the assumption that astrologers who use synastry don’t initially diagnose the individual natal charts for context first and foremost. Also, it’d feel like short charging a couple by just doing a horary chart for them.
If you do that it's rare compared to how I've seen most people using synastry...again no offense to those who use it sensitively...I haven't seen this from most people..hence my cynicism!
A curious and somewhat risky line of argument to me. I mean wouldn’t the same logic apply to individual birth charts? Almost every critic of astrology says you can’t tell who a person is or what their choices will or should be, therefore what their life will be like, based on a chart. So what’s the point? 🤔
I love how refreshing this is! The desire to ‘want to know’ and like Cat said ‘seek approval’ from our spiritual modality instead of letting it be as it is can disrupt your own peace before the relationships has even truly begun. Discovered you Acyuta-bhava through Reydient Reality at the May full moon eclipse. Your ways of sharing this wisdom and knowledge is so refreshing and grounded. Looking forward to learning and seeing more of these videos. Thank you :)
An astrologer friend of mine called each of us a walking transit when we interact with each other... I have used composite charts and found them reliable, if not impossible. It's interesting to me that I can experience transits that occurred before I was born. Yes to basing everything off ones natal chart first and foremost!
I love relationship astrology, so valuable because so many people have broken bulls**t radar. There are nicer ways to understand your karma than having another breakup. Thanks so much!
wow, you mentioned someone dealing with a venus-neptune transit “drinking the koolaid,” which nudged me to take a look at my own chart. lo and behold, neptune is transiting my venus. wowie zowie, so thankful to have seen this! so so thankful
And yet composite charts seem to work, if you know how to interpret them, seeing the individual first, then seeing how they relate to other, and then finally, the composite. In timing, the composite shows real impacts. In this video, you sound like someone who doesn't believe in astrology, telling us why it can't be valid. Which is kinda sad. It's all in the interpretation and understanding.
I used the natal charts of my sons to help them see the merit and necessity of qualities in one another that were bothering the other one immensely. They both thought the other could just change, but was refusing, and after many yrs of mediating and having discussions about what we all thought and saw was happening, their sitting with their charts made all the difference. One was unsurprisingly hard about it at first, but then softened after a week of contemplation to have compassion and give his brother the space needed to be the way he is. And the one who was immediately relieved to have this laid out so clearly immediately integrated it into his part of the relationship and waited for his brother. They get along so well now! Previously, it was always feast or famine in their affection and respect for one another. Now they've modified their own part of the interactions, respectively, and conflict has nearly ceased- just normal and non-harmful or urgent, minor conflicts. It's been several months. They've always had a tight bond, but it was difficult to maintain, and now it is so much easier for them. I hear them being fair and kind to one another about things they fought about before. They're both teenagers. I don't know about composite charts, but I can't see how that would have been useful, to take a statistical and archetypal average of two brothers, when they are two different individuals who need to know themselves and the other and make decisions within their relationship in accordance with this. I prefer this way :)
So complex. That’s why I love it. A never ending mystery to solve with Astrology ! I personally really enjoy synastry, composite and Davison charts and studying them. I’m a Libra rising so I guess relationships are pretty cliche for me..... and my moon is in entering the 7th house today. Seriously though! LOL
I agree with looking at each chart separately. What I found very puzzling was, that when I tried put name Asteroids into Synastry of long term happy couples I know, it was always the female name exactly conjuncting male Venus. / in some where I could also find maiden name of a woman, it as well shows as conjunction to male Venus/.
Can't any chart be compared to another? Natal v Progressed? Natal v Current? Natal v National? Natal v Astrocartographic? If you have your Natal and then compare it to 5 years later, which would be current at that time, why wouldn't that be valid. Why then is someone born that day, that you happen to meet 20, 30, 40 years later, not valid? I agree don't get carried away but l can't help think why is it not valid?
Agreed. We overlay transits on a natal chart and extract a description of what we may experience; why wouldn’t it be valid to do it with another natal chart? Looking at dynasty Doesn’t mean I’m making life decisions based on comparing two charts, it just adds a layer of understanding.
I agree, You can’t just look at the aspect moon conj Venus and make a declaration, you have to look at someone’s chart and what that moon for them means in the bigger picture and it could be pretty devastating so having your Venus conjunct that might not be exactly a picnic.
I’ve never gotten into composite charts/synastry, and always told myself it was bc it was “too hard,” but looks like my soul just knew it wasn’t a thing...and kept guiding me to stick with getting better at reading individual charts. 😍
I have to agree about composite charts. It also assumes you can just "average out" time and space. A birth time and place is a sacred event. Composite charts seem to sterilize/neutralize any real chemistry. Plus you dont see red flags as well. I married someone with a chart that was basically one huge neptune square natally but in composite it seemed like a grounded, honest relationship. Very inaccurate.
Love this so much..I have had so much trouble making any sense out of synastry charts and I have always just done individual and blending personalities..thank you for putting this out there ❤
Great perspective kind of setting expectations - instead of focus on foundations benefiting from individual strengths and challenges in each chart. I dig it ~ thanks
This is so timely! I just did a dual birthchart reading for some friends of mine who are cohabitating partners. It's so valuable for each member of the partnership to hear about the other person's chart from their perspective. Then it becomes a deepening of an ongoing discussion rather than one person sort of objectifying the other as if they don't also come with their whole life and birth chart and experiences, etc. I notice synastry points between 2 birth charts as well and also don't see the value of the composite chart. So glad to have my feelings on this justified by someone with much more experience than me. Thank you!
Yes, I need to know so I can move on. But I have not inquired astrology at all for anything. But I like this Helenistic Astrology. Cat speaks intelligently and I like her accent. Oh, she is beautiful too.
This is so heartful. Thank you so much in fact its the good will and warmheartedness of you and the thoughtfulness and trying to help is very warming and lift my day up. 🥰🥰🥰🤩🤩
And I think that A composite chart can be interesting but it pretty much summarizes what is happening with the two charts that you can just see on your own without this dire grandiose “new chart” to worry about.
Just knowing their sign helps me understand why they may act the way they do. And also, I won’t waste my time with certain signs! As a cancer, I already know 😁🦀❤️
This is a good one and very sensible advice! Reminds me of the time I met a guy when my progressed DC was conjunct my natal sun. I didn’t get to know him out of fear (my friends were judgmental) and now I will always wonder.
Disagree on this one. I use the separate natals, synastry, composite, and the first meeting chart at least. It sounds a lot like you're dismissing highly insightful techniques. You've managed to class a large group of people as using astrology in a less superior way. Synastry is profound, just take a look at family biwheels. Many of the best psychological astrologers use synastry and demonstrate the immense value in their books, it is also common for professional psychological astrologers to look at their synastry with a client before their meeting to understand where triggers may be and if the client may benefit from a different astrologer. John Green from MISPA talks about this on The Astrology Podcast for example. Liz Greene talks about synastry often in her books on client work, especially in family dynamics. That being said, I'm still a big fan of you and your valuable and often brilliant astrological insights. Just not this one. 😄.
I love this! I met someone from a past life and I wasn't sure I believed in them until I had some crazy un deniable experiences and it's been such a huge heartbreak but release of past life emotions... This makes me curious about how this shows up in our charts
In my experience the 8th house for both planet and the house person is boths Achilles heel.....😬 one step down the rabbit hole to Vedic astrology. ..fascinated
You don't have to do a dynasty chart to see where the planets are in each other's charts. My husband and I have our Venus opposite in charts, also our Mars I opposition as well, the 2 planets more associated with relationships, also our moons in square , plus our mercury so in square, it's a wonder it all works, but we have been married for 50 yrs so don't be put off by what you see. By the way there is No perfect relationship , it's about supporting one another.
Omg, could someone have combined my chart with someone else? Because my perspective got CRAZY, huge, quantified, filter unbattened, no chill, no off, but i don't have any person that i can talk to about it, no partner, i do have invisible friends which is weird but it's the only interaction I have, no clarity on anything, and i can only manifest 3/4 of anything and never a final result. Someone's destroying my existence and receiving the benefit and im transmuting a ton of other people's stuff. I have no money or any way to get clarity, only gaslighting.
Then you also have free will and previous life choices. I could see how this could be so complicated. Even down to choice of home location. There are so many variables. But what if you used these in an existing long term relationship facing significant life changes like career or a move (choosing location) or facing a choice of 2 decisions; timing of starting a family. Perhaps you could use it to favorably stack the deck for success to make the correct choice. Lol understanding there is still no guarantee
Y’all are talking about it from ONE perspective , not everyone uses Synastry or composite in the way that you guys are discribing it. Other people effect you just like transits do. And yes you should consider the relationship without reading too much into Synastry or comp but thats astrology in general you should consider yourself more than whats on your natal. Not everyone is that delusional or obsessed. And its not gimmicky because some people use it that way, its there to help you understand how certain energies interact with eachother. And ever heard about compatibility? Yes some people just like to know just that, if they’re compatible or not...
That is wonderful advice!! Thank you lol..ive been studying partners and our synastry over the years and it never seems to add up right so this info makes a ton more sense
When I compare my chart to my adult children I see alot of similarities with each other.I don't discount these as coincidence.Do you do readings as a family?
I see these same questions with charts in fb groups- will they return?, are they my twin flame?, is this relationship karma? It can feel, sometimes, superficial... especially when the charts indicate very young people.
Synastry just doesn't work; people change, transits come and go, COVID can kill two great compatible people, kids in the mix can make or break, in-laws, other people insert themselves, life isn't just about marriage or a relationship...
Laura, horary charts answer a specific question and are created at the moment of receiving the question. He’s done videos on them if you want to learn more. ❤️
Hmm ok so here's the thing: Professional Astrologers who use Synastry and Composite Chart methods, start by looking at each person's individual Natal Chart and getting a grasp of what each person is like individually, before even looking at Synastry, Composite and other methods. They are additional tools, to gain added insights that you might otherwise miss, and imho they have their worth.
The magic is in the commitment and the insights that unfold.
Studying Synastry from the family perspective and especially from the ancestral perspective, is quite amazing and healing.
You are both saying you don't understand the use of composites.
Stay closed to them if you want, but it's a very valuable tool!
Lol that is not what we said...Ive done at least 500 composite readings and simply don't find that they are very effective compared to the method I've outlined but each to their own!
I'm an astrologer and I love Synastry but not in the way you were describing. What I look at is the overlay of house placements, conjunctions and oppositions. This does nit predict compatibility nor longevity. It simply gives a feel for how connections can play out. I do agree that before I attempt a Synastry chart I look at the Natals beforehand. Yes, we are all on our own journeys and I honor that. People will come in our lives for different reasons and seasons. Synastry is NOT a crock! We are all here to both teach and learn. Twin souls and soulmates is not a concept I put much importance in simply because we evolve and grow. Sometimes that strengthens the couple other times we grow apart. This is life.
Especially when it comes to the synastry of the nodes & planets involved. There are a lot of books that talk about this.
@@serenadevon i use a similar method how cool
I agree with you but didn't put my comment so nicely.
@@lisabeam8315 can't say I don't blame you. It's hard to watch 2 good astrologers dismiss Synastry outright. Because they are wrong.
I use synastry charts for EVERYONE. Not just romantic relationships. All human interactions.
Dont let shallow people turn you off to synastry. But ultimatly if it isnt for you, that's okay too.
Thanks for all you do. Youre an amazing teacher
So imagine for a moment we may be energetic orbs (our charts) aand and that when we bump into one another there will be a energetic/chemical reaction
Love most of your content and astrological diagnosis. But you can tell pretty easily that you’ve viewed synastry analysis in contempt from the get go. I don’t think you really gave it a chance, and thus have an uncharacteristically slanted view. For example, the assumption that astrologers who use synastry don’t initially diagnose the individual natal charts for context first and foremost. Also, it’d feel like short charging a couple by just doing a horary chart for them.
If you do that it's rare compared to how I've seen most people using synastry...again no offense to those who use it sensitively...I haven't seen this from most people..hence my cynicism!
A curious and somewhat risky line of argument to me. I mean wouldn’t the same logic apply to individual birth charts? Almost every critic of astrology says you can’t tell who a person is or what their choices will or should be, therefore what their life will be like, based on a chart. So what’s the point? 🤔
I love how refreshing this is! The desire to ‘want to know’ and like Cat said ‘seek approval’ from our spiritual modality instead of letting it be as it is can disrupt your own peace before the relationships has even truly begun. Discovered you Acyuta-bhava through Reydient Reality at the May full moon eclipse. Your ways of sharing this wisdom and knowledge is so refreshing and grounded. Looking forward to learning and seeing more of these videos. Thank you :)
An astrologer friend of mine called each of us a walking transit when we interact with each other...
I have used composite charts and found them reliable, if not impossible.
It's interesting to me that I can experience transits that occurred before I was born.
Yes to basing everything off ones natal chart first and foremost!
I love relationship astrology, so valuable because so many people have broken bulls**t radar. There are nicer ways to understand your karma than having another breakup. Thanks so much!
"Do I really want to know the answer to this question?"
"The answer should be NO!"
Hahahahaha, so perfect!
Thank-you both for the video~ ✨🙏
Synastry + transits will tell you everything: triwheel with person A birth chart, person B birth chart and transits
It cannot reveal the content of their hearts.
wow, you mentioned someone dealing with a venus-neptune transit “drinking the koolaid,” which nudged me to take a look at my own chart. lo and behold, neptune is transiting my venus. wowie zowie, so thankful to have seen this! so so thankful
it’s a square between pisces and gemini, a dynamic that i’ve somehow been blind to. neptune neptune neptune...
And yet composite charts seem to work, if you know how to interpret them, seeing the individual first, then seeing how they relate to other, and then finally, the composite. In timing, the composite shows real impacts.
In this video, you sound like someone who doesn't believe in astrology, telling us why it can't be valid. Which is kinda sad.
It's all in the interpretation and understanding.
I used the natal charts of my sons to help them see the merit and necessity of qualities in one another that were bothering the other one immensely. They both thought the other could just change, but was refusing, and after many yrs of mediating and having discussions about what we all thought and saw was happening, their sitting with their charts made all the difference. One was unsurprisingly hard about it at first, but then softened after a week of contemplation to have compassion and give his brother the space needed to be the way he is. And the one who was immediately relieved to have this laid out so clearly immediately integrated it into his part of the relationship and waited for his brother. They get along so well now! Previously, it was always feast or famine in their affection and respect for one another. Now they've modified their own part of the interactions, respectively, and conflict has nearly ceased- just normal and non-harmful or urgent, minor conflicts. It's been several months. They've always had a tight bond, but it was difficult to maintain, and now it is so much easier for them. I hear them being fair and kind to one another about things they fought about before. They're both teenagers. I don't know about composite charts, but I can't see how that would have been useful, to take a statistical and archetypal average of two brothers, when they are two different individuals who need to know themselves and the other and make decisions within their relationship in accordance with this. I prefer this way :)
So complex. That’s why I love it. A never ending mystery to solve with Astrology ! I personally really enjoy synastry, composite and Davison charts and studying them. I’m a Libra rising so I guess relationships are pretty cliche for me..... and my moon is in entering the 7th house today. Seriously though! LOL
Wow. An u say your e/ mail address slower please?
I agree with looking at each chart separately. What I found very puzzling was, that when I tried put name Asteroids into Synastry of long term happy couples I know, it was always the female name exactly conjuncting male Venus. / in some where I could also find maiden name of a woman, it as well shows as conjunction to male Venus/.
Can't any chart be compared to another? Natal v Progressed? Natal v Current? Natal v National? Natal v Astrocartographic?
If you have your Natal and then compare it to 5 years later, which would be current at that time, why wouldn't that be valid. Why then is someone born that day, that you happen to meet 20, 30, 40 years later, not valid?
I agree don't get carried away but l can't help think why is it not valid?
Agreed. We overlay transits on a natal chart and extract a description of what we may experience; why wouldn’t it be valid to do it with another natal chart? Looking at dynasty Doesn’t mean I’m making life decisions based on comparing two charts, it just adds a layer of understanding.
I agree, You can’t just look at the aspect moon conj Venus and make a declaration, you have to look at someone’s chart and what that moon for them means in the bigger picture and it could be pretty devastating so having your Venus conjunct that might not be exactly a picnic.
I’ve never gotten into composite charts/synastry, and always told myself it was bc it was “too hard,” but looks like my soul just knew it wasn’t a thing...and kept guiding me to stick with getting better at reading individual charts. 😍
Its definitely a thing.
Lastly Cat ty so much! You're his yin to his yang and a highly competent Astrologer on your own
I recently found your channel and all I've been doing for the past week is binge your videos. Such solid, incredible content.
Keep up the great work!
I have to agree about composite charts. It also assumes you can just "average out" time and space. A birth time and place is a sacred event. Composite charts seem to sterilize/neutralize any real chemistry. Plus you dont see red flags as well. I married someone with a chart that was basically one huge neptune square natally but in composite it seemed like a grounded, honest relationship. Very inaccurate.
Love this so much..I have had so much trouble making any sense out of synastry charts and I have always just done individual and blending personalities..thank you for putting this out there ❤
Great perspective kind of setting expectations - instead of focus on foundations benefiting from individual strengths and challenges in each chart. I dig it ~ thanks
This is so timely! I just did a dual birthchart reading for some friends of mine who are cohabitating partners. It's so valuable for each member of the partnership to hear about the other person's chart from their perspective. Then it becomes a deepening of an ongoing discussion rather than one person sort of objectifying the other as if they don't also come with their whole life and birth chart and experiences, etc. I notice synastry points between 2 birth charts as well and also don't see the value of the composite chart. So glad to have my feelings on this justified by someone with much more experience than me. Thank you!
Yes, I need to know so I can move on. But I have not inquired astrology at all for anything. But I like this Helenistic Astrology. Cat speaks intelligently and I like her accent.
Oh, she is beautiful too.
Adam this Mercury retrograde in Gemini: let me be controversial
Me, a Gemini sun: yes, I agree, but also-
This is so heartful. Thank you so much in fact its the good will and warmheartedness of you and the thoughtfulness and trying to help is very warming and lift my day up. 🥰🥰🥰🤩🤩
Thank you for this :). I've signed up for the next round of your class Adam! Excited to get started
And I think that A composite chart can be interesting but it pretty much summarizes what is happening with the two charts that you can just see on your own without this dire grandiose “new chart” to worry about.
Just knowing their sign helps me understand why they may act the way they do. And also, I won’t waste my time with certain signs! As a cancer, I already know 😁🦀❤️
This is a good one and very sensible advice! Reminds me of the time I met a guy when my progressed DC was conjunct my natal sun. I didn’t get to know him out of fear (my friends were judgmental) and now I will always wonder.
The one that got away...?
Based on the comment section, this is a really controversial take on relationship astrology 😂
People really like their composite and synastry charts
You're so cuuuuuuuuute when you're joking! 😅
Agreeing on Acyuta on the prep work.
Disagree on this one.
I use the separate natals, synastry, composite, and the first meeting chart at least.
It sounds a lot like you're dismissing highly insightful techniques. You've managed to class a large group of people as using astrology in a less superior way.
Synastry is profound, just take a look at family biwheels.
Many of the best psychological astrologers use synastry and demonstrate the immense value in their books, it is also common for professional psychological astrologers to look at their synastry with a client before their meeting to understand where triggers may be and if the client may benefit from a different astrologer. John Green from MISPA talks about this on The Astrology Podcast for example.
Liz Greene talks about synastry often in her books on client work, especially in family dynamics.
That being said, I'm still a big fan of you and your valuable and often brilliant astrological insights. Just not this one. 😄.
Great video. I was wasting way too much time both in synastry and in composite chart.
I love this! I met someone from a past life and I wasn't sure I believed in them until I had some crazy un deniable experiences and it's been such a huge heartbreak but release of past life emotions... This makes me curious about how this shows up in our charts
In my experience the 8th house for both planet and the house person is boths Achilles heel.....😬 one step down the rabbit hole to Vedic astrology. ..fascinated
It would be interesting content to do a video on considering kids astrology charts as parents.
Great discussion, thank you:)
You don't have to do a dynasty chart to see where the planets are in each other's charts. My husband and I have our Venus opposite in charts, also our Mars I opposition as well, the 2 planets more associated with relationships, also our moons in square , plus our mercury so in square, it's a wonder it all works, but we have been married for 50 yrs so don't be put off by what you see. By the way there is No perfect relationship , it's about supporting one another.
Omg, could someone have combined my chart with someone else? Because my perspective got CRAZY, huge, quantified, filter unbattened, no chill, no off, but i don't have any person that i can talk to about it, no partner, i do have invisible friends which is weird but it's the only interaction I have, no clarity on anything, and i can only manifest 3/4 of anything and never a final result. Someone's destroying my existence and receiving the benefit and im transmuting a ton of other people's stuff. I have no money or any way to get clarity, only gaslighting.
Then you also have free will and previous life choices. I could see how this could be so complicated. Even down to choice of home location. There are so many variables. But what if you used these in an existing long term relationship facing significant life changes like career or a move (choosing location) or facing a choice of 2 decisions; timing of starting a family. Perhaps you could use it to favorably stack the deck for success to make the correct choice. Lol understanding there is still no guarantee
Y’all are talking about it from ONE perspective , not everyone uses Synastry or composite in the way that you guys are discribing it. Other people effect you just like transits do. And yes you should consider the relationship without reading too much into Synastry or comp but thats astrology in general you should consider yourself more than whats on your natal. Not everyone is that delusional or obsessed. And its not gimmicky because some people use it that way, its there to help you understand how certain energies interact with eachother. And ever heard about compatibility? Yes some people just like to know just that, if they’re compatible or not...
If you believe in transits you should believe in Synastry its the same basically ...
Good Conversation.
# always need to be realistic about life journey 💙🤍
Wow your timing is perfect, thank you for this Friday awesomeness !
I always like the surprises. Life is a journey and we learn along the way.
That is wonderful advice!! Thank you lol..ive been studying partners and our synastry over the years and it never seems to add up right so this info makes a ton more sense
Thank you so much 🌻
Law of attraction if you think it won’t work it won’t work
When I compare my chart to my adult children I see alot of similarities with each other.I don't discount these as coincidence.Do you do readings as a family?
I have a question, it might be silly, I don't know.. If sb enters sb else's life in this person 's nodal return.. does that mean sth?
Whats the steps to get a horerary reading from you? Cost how much?
I needed to watch and listen to this
I see these same questions with charts in fb groups- will they return?, are they my twin flame?, is this relationship karma? It can feel, sometimes, superficial... especially when the charts indicate very young people.
I so agree with this approach!
Do you like with the moon sun and assigned ascendant
My north node on his venus
His north node on my mars
What the hell does this mean?
Interesting.
Sounds like ... real life. No easy answers! My chart says: you will be an old spinster. Ahaha Thank you.
Brilliant !
Synastry just doesn't work; people change, transits come and go, COVID can kill two great compatible people, kids in the mix can make or break, in-laws, other people insert themselves, life isn't just about marriage or a relationship...
Would love to have you read my chart I don’t even know how to pronounce your name so I’m not gonna try starts with an a
soooo much yes
What’s horhay chart ?
Laura, horary charts answer a specific question and are created at the moment of receiving the question. He’s done videos on them if you want to learn more. ❤️
Astrology for Horses?
@@Chapps1941 epic
❤️❤️❤️
Woke up this morning to an Amber alert on TV
12:36 💜🌱🌿💜
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Kind of dismissive, dude.