Chapters 00:00 Quality Expectation Has To Evolve! 04:22 Don't Overrate Reliability 06:02 Stay On Top Of Maintenance 08:54 Closing Comments Watch the full episode here: ruclips.net/video/b9vNSpCPSnY/видео.html Subscribe to our main channel for more content like this: youtube.com/@motorinc Subscribe to the Clips channel if you'd like to watch more clips: youtube.com/@motorincclips
My 4yrs old Gixxer SF still rides like a new bike and not a single rattling noise from the body. If it was a bajaj or hero then i would be listening to jhun jhuna after 2yrs for sure. Japanese products are always better than Indian products. It's just the machine and only machine, no gimmick feature.
I'm completely with you. It's embarrassing to admit, but I was a huge Bajaj fanboy till I made the (now) catastrophic mistake of buying the 2020 Bajaj CT110. This stupid machine makes more noise than a bloody JCB going down the road at full chat!!! Currently in the process of shortlisting my next bike and no surprises here......I'm almost ready to buy the 2025 Honda Unicorn. Why the Unicorn? Simple. I bought an Activa for my sister back in 2001 when it had just hit the market. When my sister got married and moved out, we then gifted it to an employee of ours who uses it to this day and keeps us updated about all repairs being made (if any). That thing has covered over 2 lakh kilometres till date and runs butter smooth ❤ lesson learnt, fanboyism can take a backseat now. The Unicorn it is!! Have been advised by our dealer to wait for the updated version to hit the floors so I can ride it once before plonking the money down.
@@vikramwadhwani6174 the new unicorn would be a great choice. In the market of 125cc as well I see a lot of people buying Raider, Xtreme 125 but nobody is looking at the SP125. My frnd has a Raider and that thing vibrates like a bullet. Just to get the exhaust note right the got the whole bike wrong. It's just unbearable to ride on straight roads. Bike wobbles at 80+ kmph and the body panels and logos have already started coming off after 1.5yrs 😂 it's just a mess. Desh bhakt bano but Andh bhakt bilkul mat bano.
@soumyakdas2157 the Raider was on my radar for a while 😁 but heard more than a few horror stories from owners here in Bangalore. So off the list it went! I didn't consider the SP125 because it was again too close to the present bike I ride. And now that I have a lot of free time during the weekends, I plan on longer rides so a 150/160cc seems like a prudent choice to me. Not to mention that I don't have very deep pockets right now either. The Unicorn ticks many of the boxes in my list.
I had a 2016 RC 390. The first one with slipper clutch, I had 3 specific issues with the bike - 1. The display suddenly used to go blank on certain occasions after about 1.5 yrs and about 15k kms. 2. I was going on a 200-300km ride but then decided to go back home midway. 500 m from my home, I saw the low oil pressure warning. Took it to the SVC only to realise that the piston rings were shot. Again replaced under warranty. 3. The gear shifters attachment had its teeth worn out way too soon. So the bike suddenly stopped shifting gears. All three happened within the warranty period. Those early 390s had some issues but I think for 2.4 lacs on road back then it was stellar value. I had to sell it since I wasn’t in the country and it wasn’t being used but I regret that decision even today.
Reliability is not just about how long it will last, reliability is about if I drive from kashmir to kanyakumari non stop there won't be a chance of breakdown. That's where I would put my bets on Toyota or Honda. My car won't die on me between 2 services. I don't think any other manufacturer can beat Honda and Toyota in that kind of reliability.
"I've taken my Activa 125 BS6 on numerous trips with heavy loads and steep inclines, and it performed flawlessly. The engine reliability is exceptional - I'd stake my life on it! My recent experience with the Honda CB 350 has been equally impressive. Its engine refinement, highway cruising, and reliability are unmatched. Honda's commitment to quality and engine reliability is unparalleled
Guys, please make a video on various things to check on you vehicle which requires maintenance, for e.g. on KTMs you need to check a lot of stuff regularly which the service centre people just overlook and don't pay attention because they have keep moving the vehicles. Also, it's very difficult to find good genuine mechanics outside of service centres, It's awesome how Shumi gave an insight on how he maintains his Ferocitas
Dear Shumi, Honda Highness is a gem of a machine. I have bought it twice. It’s a long story I’ll tell later. But for now, c’mon, let’s appreciate good motorcycles. If we don’t, they will stop making good motorcycles and then again we will have to fall back on substandard RE bikes. I have previously owned Bullet and Himalayan. And it’s unfair to compare Africa Twin with Highness. Look at the price difference!
its our own fault. we treated crap like re bullets as kings. so the image of us outside india is just of show off. we will never have tenere 700 or even honda crf300 rally getting launched in india. kawasaki launched klx230 and people started seeking bluetooth connectivity in it😂
We have a Renault Pulse Diesel for over 10 years and Polo GT 1.0 Automatic for 4 years in our family. And i can say that these two cars are much more drivable and efforltess than any honda vtec with their obnoxious tall gearing.. And they have been reliable af. Haven't got single major issue till now.. Honda fanbois have nothing else to brag about these days.. lol
Bro even the worst reliable car is extremely reliable. Reliability of a car usually shows up after 2 - 3 lakh km. Till then any mass market car will last easy. Can't say the same for bike.
My yamaha saluto 125 2016 model 210000kms crossed still running like new bike.. and i have Suzuki v Strom sx 250 in 2.5 years 46k kms crossed.. easy to maintain still running like new no issues decent engine needed features
I had honda Dio, and the rattling noise it had was nuts. It was so frustrating back then but now i have Aprilia sr125 and that thing is so solid be it pot holes or uneven unfinished road it just handles those like a boss. The rattling noise is near to zero. I feel like I have bought the right scooter.
Yes HMSI provide poorest Paint quality in Activa scooters. They dont use Epoxy primer and Paint directly on the bare metal. So when Rusting starts, The paint peels off.
I don't know about the quality of Africa twin and transalp, but I have tested all the bikes in cb350's range. Cb350 series are the most premium motorcycles in that segment. In case of switch gears, nothing comes close, not even the triumphs. Thanks for your opinionated hates by the way.
I don't know how Honda CB350 compares with that of translap quality, but I can definitely says Honda CB350 switchgear quality is better that Triump speed 400 switchgear quality
I’ve been a KTM owner for 11 years and have clocked 60K kilometers on it. Honestly, it’s not that great. My feelings toward it are like having a standard office-issued Dell laptop-it gets the job done, but that’s about it. Before this, I owned a 2001 CBZ, and it demanded much less maintenance. One persistent issue with KTM bikes is the engine heating problem. In stop-and-go traffic, when the radiator overheats, it causes the water pump’s rubber gasket seal to melt. This leads to coolant mixing with the engine oil. I’ve had to replace this seal at least 6 to 7 times. It’s a recurring problem that just can’t be overcompensated for.
I don’t know, bro; I’m no expert. But the Duke has been my office commuter since 2014, and it’s the only bike I’ve been riding since then. It has let me down many times-strange error codes, engine overheating that burns out the alternator and stops charging the battery, and other odd issues. It’s even left me stranded in critical situations. I don’t mind spending money on servicing, but I expect the bike to work reliably. Even after a full, complete service, there’s no guarantee it won’t fail the very next day. I bought this bike based on glowing automotive reviews, but honestly, the overall ownership experience hasn’t been enjoyable for me so far.
6 months back I was financially ready to buy my first ever motorcycle with no prior experience, a week or brainstorming you guys convinced me to buy the Gen 3 duke 250, and to me that was one of my best purchases. And the talk about reading manuals, I feel like 90% of KTM owners in india abused their bike left and right
I'm into cars so I totally forgot about my Honda scooty lol. Its 14 years old and still runs great. I don't take proper care of it. I mean once I forgot to change engine oil for 1.5years. I abuse it. Still starts up in first try and runs smoothly.
I had cbr250r, i can relate to what you say. But, having said tht it was a beauty of a machine. Same way I could always find some or the other niggles for which i had to take it for asc (considering the mechanic and parts are pain to find) which annoyed me to such an extent i decided to sell it as I always keep my bike in mint condition.
My 2017 pulsar 180 with 79k + km now consuming engine oil there is no white smoke , mileage has dropped a bit to around 35kmpl in city. But my trusted mechanic says it will go another 10k kms then it will require a half engine work. Bajaj's reliability is rock solid.
I have Vento 1.6 MPI 2015 Sep made.. The only 2 things I have changed so far are Boot Opener and Rear Left Side ABS.. It's been maintince free till date as I get my car serviced well within manufacturers recommendations and change the parts such spark plugs, Break pads filters etc as they recommend.. ❤ Yes, I do use Premium fuel once ever 2 or 3 full tanks, maintain tyre pressure, fuel up before it hits the reserves.. Even similar stories with my KTM Duke 200(Not with me now).. Infact I have more parts replace in my Ntorq than Vento and KTM I had.. 😂😂
At strategy level they think little different....cost and profitability comes first...see what happened to ktm......satisfying indian customer is difficult....so if something is selling why change thats how these companies are think.....and to some extend that is right....
CBZ came in with a PPF coating by default that too in 1997. damn Honda was so good the, now its a diff story just bought a Ntorq over an Honda even when i have an Activa 125 for 9 yearns now.
I have Honda Grazia purchased during launch 🚀 It has starting problem which agency could not solve . 3:27 During next year they updated high capacity battery I check catalog & change battery myself after few thousand change change brake drum cylinder it’s light console also give up . I don’t have patience to go to agency . So our local mechanic is better than them . This scooter 🛴I use when comes to home town so Now it’s standing & corner and I use Ola / Uber etc 😊 Complete peace of mind
Yea it is true in 2020 one of my bro bought sp125 then I bought in 2023 then 4 days ago my little bro bought..... in 4 year from 20-24 quality in same product dropping drastically in every second..... I am thinking the quality level of 2nd gen shine 125 which belongs to my friend which shocks me which Machine he has and which Machines we have....😂
Honda 125 Lead, East Asia. Is over a decade old and has several upgrades. Who is running the Honda India Manufacturing Management. Are they treating India like a, take away sandwich. You get what we serve @ Honda India is not ethical. 1. Right to repair 2. Right to repair manual and tools 3. Open over the counter spare parts 4. Make in Bharat with open doors to customers. 5. Owner has legal rights, to maintain his/ her vehicle. Provide service booklets with instructions to service and service parts kit. Bharat will only become great again when the automotive industries open up to common working class, tax payers demands, for Right to maintain and repair one's registered ownership vehicle, equipment, appliance, house hold products.
Chapters
00:00 Quality Expectation Has To Evolve!
04:22 Don't Overrate Reliability
06:02 Stay On Top Of Maintenance
08:54 Closing Comments
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Not all drivers are enthusiasts. Ultra reliable machines are good for those who treat cars as appliances.
Spot on
Quite the opposite
My 2021 CB350 has done 25K, extensively toured, no complaints.
My 4yrs old Gixxer SF still rides like a new bike and not a single rattling noise from the body. If it was a bajaj or hero then i would be listening to jhun jhuna after 2yrs for sure. Japanese products are always better than Indian products. It's just the machine and only machine, no gimmick feature.
I'm completely with you. It's embarrassing to admit, but I was a huge Bajaj fanboy till I made the (now) catastrophic mistake of buying the 2020 Bajaj CT110. This stupid machine makes more noise than a bloody JCB going down the road at full chat!!!
Currently in the process of shortlisting my next bike and no surprises here......I'm almost ready to buy the 2025 Honda Unicorn. Why the Unicorn? Simple. I bought an Activa for my sister back in 2001 when it had just hit the market. When my sister got married and moved out, we then gifted it to an employee of ours who uses it to this day and keeps us updated about all repairs being made (if any). That thing has covered over 2 lakh kilometres till date and runs butter smooth ❤ lesson learnt, fanboyism can take a backseat now. The Unicorn it is!! Have been advised by our dealer to wait for the updated version to hit the floors so I can ride it once before plonking the money down.
Same with my Yamaha fazer 13years and it starts without any fuzz
@@vikramwadhwani6174 the new unicorn would be a great choice. In the market of 125cc as well I see a lot of people buying Raider, Xtreme 125 but nobody is looking at the SP125. My frnd has a Raider and that thing vibrates like a bullet. Just to get the exhaust note right the got the whole bike wrong. It's just unbearable to ride on straight roads. Bike wobbles at 80+ kmph and the body panels and logos have already started coming off after 1.5yrs 😂 it's just a mess. Desh bhakt bano but Andh bhakt bilkul mat bano.
@soumyakdas2157 the Raider was on my radar for a while 😁 but heard more than a few horror stories from owners here in Bangalore. So off the list it went! I didn't consider the SP125 because it was again too close to the present bike I ride. And now that I have a lot of free time during the weekends, I plan on longer rides so a 150/160cc seems like a prudent choice to me. Not to mention that I don't have very deep pockets right now either. The Unicorn ticks many of the boxes in my list.
@vikramwadhwani6174 yea man it's worth the wait.
I had a 2016 RC 390. The first one with slipper clutch, I had 3 specific issues with the bike -
1. The display suddenly used to go blank on certain occasions after about 1.5 yrs and about 15k kms.
2. I was going on a 200-300km ride but then decided to go back home midway. 500 m from my home, I saw the low oil pressure warning. Took it to the SVC only to realise that the piston rings were shot. Again replaced under warranty.
3. The gear shifters attachment had its teeth worn out way too soon. So the bike suddenly stopped shifting gears.
All three happened within the warranty period.
Those early 390s had some issues but I think for 2.4 lacs on road back then it was stellar value.
I had to sell it since I wasn’t in the country and it wasn’t being used but I regret that decision even today.
Reliability is not just about how long it will last, reliability is about if I drive from kashmir to kanyakumari non stop there won't be a chance of breakdown. That's where I would put my bets on Toyota or Honda. My car won't die on me between 2 services. I don't think any other manufacturer can beat Honda and Toyota in that kind of reliability.
as a matter of fact this is where its now failing mr. fanboiii
As a matter of fact KTM is also bankrupt now
That's not a big deal.. my hyundai kappa 1.2 engine can easily doing nonstop..😉
I used cbr for 11 years never ever broke down.
"I've taken my Activa 125 BS6 on numerous trips with heavy loads and steep inclines, and it performed flawlessly. The engine reliability is exceptional - I'd stake my life on it!
My recent experience with the Honda CB 350 has been equally impressive. Its engine refinement, highway cruising, and reliability are unmatched. Honda's commitment to quality and engine reliability is unparalleled
Being using a ktm duke 200 since 10 years no major complaints so far just needs regular service
Guys, please make a video on various things to check on you vehicle which requires maintenance, for e.g. on KTMs you need to check a lot of stuff regularly which the service centre people just overlook and don't pay attention because they have keep moving the vehicles. Also, it's very difficult to find good genuine mechanics outside of service centres, It's awesome how Shumi gave an insight on how he maintains his Ferocitas
Dear Shumi, Honda Highness is a gem of a machine. I have bought it twice. It’s a long story I’ll tell later. But for now, c’mon, let’s appreciate good motorcycles. If we don’t, they will stop making good motorcycles and then again we will have to fall back on substandard RE bikes. I have previously owned Bullet and Himalayan. And it’s unfair to compare Africa Twin with Highness. Look at the price difference!
its our own fault. we treated crap like re bullets as kings. so the image of us outside india is just of show off. we will never have tenere 700 or even honda crf300 rally getting launched in india. kawasaki launched klx230 and people started seeking bluetooth connectivity in it😂
New 2025 Honda Unicorn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
bro, it is over priced😂
We have a Renault Pulse Diesel for over 10 years and Polo GT 1.0 Automatic for 4 years in our family. And i can say that these two cars are much more drivable and efforltess than any honda vtec with their obnoxious tall gearing.. And they have been reliable af. Haven't got single major issue till now.. Honda fanbois have nothing else to brag about these days.. lol
Bro even the worst reliable car is extremely reliable. Reliability of a car usually shows up after 2 - 3 lakh km. Till then any mass market car will last easy. Can't say the same for bike.
This is all I need thanks you for addressing this issue. ❤
Honda's reliability is just overhype... in my point of view Suzuki engines are bulletproof in big 4🇯🇵💯
The k5 sure is legendary
My yamaha saluto 125 2016 model 210000kms crossed still running like new bike.. and i have Suzuki v Strom sx 250 in 2.5 years 46k kms crossed.. easy to maintain still running like new no issues decent engine needed features
I had honda Dio, and the rattling noise it had was nuts. It was so frustrating back then but now i have Aprilia sr125 and that thing is so solid be it pot holes or uneven unfinished road it just handles those like a boss. The rattling noise is near to zero. I feel like I have bought the right scooter.
Yes HMSI provide poorest Paint quality in Activa scooters. They dont use Epoxy primer and Paint directly on the bare metal. So when Rusting starts, The paint peels off.
Ktm has blown crankshaft and you're comparing it honda? For real?
just ask honda and KTM owner that did you cross 5 digit in your machine. you will get answer which one to buy?
I don't know about the quality of Africa twin and transalp, but I have tested all the bikes in cb350's range. Cb350 series are the most premium motorcycles in that segment. In case of switch gears, nothing comes close, not even the triumphs. Thanks for your opinionated hates by the way.
I don't know how Honda CB350 compares with that of translap quality, but I can definitely says Honda CB350 switchgear quality is better that Triump speed 400 switchgear quality
@abhinav_7476 absolutely right. These gentlemen are holding some personal grudge against Honda two wheelers india
I’ve been a KTM owner for 11 years and have clocked 60K kilometers on it. Honestly, it’s not that great. My feelings toward it are like having a standard office-issued Dell laptop-it gets the job done, but that’s about it.
Before this, I owned a 2001 CBZ, and it demanded much less maintenance.
One persistent issue with KTM bikes is the engine heating problem. In stop-and-go traffic, when the radiator overheats, it causes the water pump’s rubber gasket seal to melt. This leads to coolant mixing with the engine oil. I’ve had to replace this seal at least 6 to 7 times. It’s a recurring problem that just can’t be overcompensated for.
What Do you think duke 250 of gen 3 ?? Does it has the same problems??
I am confused between ns400, duke 250 and honda 350rs
I don’t know, bro; I’m no expert. But the Duke has been my office commuter since 2014, and it’s the only bike I’ve been riding since then. It has let me down many times-strange error codes, engine overheating that burns out the alternator and stops charging the battery, and other odd issues. It’s even left me stranded in critical situations.
I don’t mind spending money on servicing, but I expect the bike to work reliably. Even after a full, complete service, there’s no guarantee it won’t fail the very next day. I bought this bike based on glowing automotive reviews, but honestly, the overall ownership experience hasn’t been enjoyable for me so far.
6 months back I was financially ready to buy my first ever motorcycle with no prior experience, a week or brainstorming you guys convinced me to buy the Gen 3 duke 250, and to me that was one of my best purchases. And the talk about reading manuals, I feel like 90% of KTM owners in india abused their bike left and right
I'm into cars so I totally forgot about my Honda scooty lol. Its 14 years old and still runs great. I don't take proper care of it. I mean once I forgot to change engine oil for 1.5years. I abuse it. Still starts up in first try and runs smoothly.
So what's your thoughts on hero ice scooters?
I had cbr250r, i can relate to what you say. But, having said tht it was a beauty of a machine. Same way I could always find some or the other niggles for which i had to take it for asc (considering the mechanic and parts are pain to find) which annoyed me to such an extent i decided to sell it as I always keep my bike in mint condition.
Would you guys recommend the jawa fj or the yezdi roadster?
My 2017 pulsar 180 with 79k + km now consuming engine oil there is no white smoke , mileage has dropped a bit to around 35kmpl in city. But my trusted mechanic says it will go another 10k kms then it will require a half engine work. Bajaj's reliability is rock solid.
So I can buy duke 250 over cb350 rs because cb does feels like old
Which KTM bike do you own. U too want to buy one. Can you suggest me please
I have Vento 1.6 MPI 2015 Sep made.. The only 2 things I have changed so far are Boot Opener and Rear Left Side ABS..
It's been maintince free till date as I get my car serviced well within manufacturers recommendations and change the parts such spark plugs, Break pads filters etc as they recommend.. ❤
Yes, I do use Premium fuel once ever 2 or 3 full tanks, maintain tyre pressure, fuel up before it hits the reserves..
Even similar stories with my KTM Duke 200(Not with me now)..
Infact I have more parts replace in my Ntorq than Vento and KTM I had.. 😂😂
At strategy level they think little different....cost and profitability comes first...see what happened to ktm......satisfying indian customer is difficult....so if something is selling why change thats how these companies are think.....and to some extend that is right....
Sry to say but Honda's motorcycles are already expensive
CBZ came in with a PPF coating by default that too in 1997. damn Honda was so good the, now its a diff story just bought a Ntorq over an Honda even when i have an Activa 125 for 9 yearns now.
I have Honda Grazia purchased during launch 🚀 It has starting problem which agency could not solve . 3:27 During next year they updated high capacity battery
I check catalog & change battery myself after few thousand change change brake drum cylinder it’s light console also give up . I don’t have patience to go to agency . So our local mechanic is better than them . This scooter 🛴I use when comes to home town so Now it’s standing & corner and I use Ola / Uber etc 😊 Complete peace of mind
Yea it is true in 2020 one of my bro bought sp125 then I bought in 2023 then 4 days ago my little bro bought..... in 4 year from 20-24 quality in same product dropping drastically in every second..... I am thinking the quality level of 2nd gen shine 125 which belongs to my friend which shocks me which Machine he has and which Machines we have....😂
2:50 Can we say the "Dio" stank 😝
Nobody will buy more expensive higher quality Hondas Shumi. Tell me how much the CB300R sells.
Honda 125 Lead, East Asia.
Is over a decade old and has several upgrades.
Who is running the Honda India Manufacturing Management.
Are they treating India like a, take away sandwich.
You get what we serve @
Honda India is not ethical.
1. Right to repair
2. Right to repair manual and tools
3. Open over the counter spare parts
4. Make in Bharat with open doors to customers.
5. Owner has legal rights, to maintain his/ her vehicle. Provide service booklets with instructions to service and service parts kit.
Bharat will only become great again when the automotive industries open up to common working class, tax payers demands, for Right to maintain and repair one's registered ownership vehicle, equipment, appliance, house hold products.