even when it's just on the test bench, they still had custom colour cables. also kudos to Linewell for sharing this. Show how confident they are with their product
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I thought the point of the shortened sense pins was to stop any power delivery if the connector isn't fully plugged in, but here it looks like power delivery continues even with a partially unplugged connector. Are the sense pins just being ignored for this test, or did I misunderstand how they work?
Yes, they are ignored because it is not a GPU that is connected to the system, but a load tester. If a GPU was connected, its firmware would tell it to stop getting power.
@@LeJohnnyBoy It seems so, if you do not skip the quality, then 12 cables are enough to push this, also I think that the plastic is also a bit higher grade (higher melting point, although that would cost a lot to implement! - you would need socket and connector withstanding 300+ C).
great work and so funny to see so many comments not thought through (sense pins) about a test environment that is designed to test for failure points not functionality.
FSP has added 12V-2×6 to the Hydro G PRO ATX3.0 (12V-2x6) and Hydro PTM X PRO ATX3.0 (12V-2x6). If only they were available in the UK! I linked them in my last comment but that appears to have been deleted.
Amazing coverage of this topic and really impressed with the Linewell lab! It will have been RUclips deleting it due to the links to FSP but thanks for confirming. @@HardwareBusters
I think there would be quite a demand in the UK especially as the Hydro Ti PRO scores extremely well on your charts. If you could ask them if the Hydro Ti PRO is also getting a new 12V-2x6 connector revision that would be amazing. @@HardwareBusters
Every comment with a link will be deleted/hidden by RUclips, at least by default. I don't know if that is something what channel owner could change from settings.
Thanks for letting me know. One of the links to the new FSP power supplies can be found on the hardware busters website article courtesy of another user. Currently I don't think they can be found by just browsing the FSP website. @@leevi6026
Finally a safe socket for our graphics cards. At least they got it right the second time, but I believe they should have got it right the first time and they would have if they tested it more and more properly.
I'm currently on the fence about buying a 4090, and I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. If I was to buy a current 4090 card, would I be able to use the new 12V-2x6, or would I need to buy a card with the 12V-2x6 input built into the card to avoid the risk of melting? Thanks for all the great work doing the testing!
Just make sure its seated properly and you should be ok. the cable is the same and is compatible either, its the socket that has the changes. HB has some pretty decent articles about this on his website.
@@NoobSaibotTheWraith Honestly my dude, as it was figured out months ago when this problem went viral on the internet, just make sure it is seated properly and you should be fine. The cable itself is the same but the new connectors are backwards compatible.HB has some pretty decent articles about this on his website.
I haven't had any issue with my 12VHPWR cable that came with my Seasonic Vertex GX 1200W for my Aorus RTX 4090 Master... But I'm kind of tempted to get this new 12VHPWR cable model by Seasonic.
If you compare the plugs with white and blue cables with the plugs with black cables, you can immediately see that the white and blue cables must have a larger diameter. Definitely not just a thicker coating. So when running on higher currents, like a RtX 4090 needs, the larger Dia is always the better and safer solution, IMHO seems logical.
I'm assuming the new pins are the NTK ones? But I don't see this information readily available on any GPU or PSU PCIE 12V-2x6 cables so how do we know if we're buying a new GPU or PSU that is using the NTK pins and new plastic connectors?
One thing I didn't understand clear: can we expect it being required industry standard of connector or there will be PSUs with worse or better built 12V-12x6?
Editing my previous comment I think its an ROG Loki. It would be interesting to know if the cable is connected to 12VHPWR or revised 12V2x6 at the PSU side.
my friend, Isn't the new connector supposed to cut the current when unproprely pluged? for me, what you show and present as a good thing is the exact same issue thaw we already saw with the old connector. but maybe your test bench short that 4 pins on purpose to see what happen when the power pins have plugged unproperly and still running on full load?
@@HardwareBusters oh, ok then, that is great thanks you for your response i never hear something that i think about, why atx 3.0 don't just increase the tension let say to 24v, then the current will be half of the one we need now to obtain 600w you think that is hard to do on a psu?
@@dris9274 But the GPU VRMs work with 12V, everything in the PC works with 12V... this would need a redesign of everything... This is something for ATX 6.0, not ATX 3.0 😅
@@Mike500 of course it need redesign, as they redesign the atx 3.0 i don't understand why they stick to that 12v enev when 600w is needed i mean maibe the chip and memory are directly feeded by 12v current?
I thought the entire point of making a new version was that it would properly disconnect when not inserted properly? If this sends full power when not plugged in fully that is the exact situation we had before with bad contact.
Hello Aris! For quite some time now, the cooler master has been producing the GX III model, with a 12VHPWR angled connector. They claim that, in addition to everything else, enhanced contacts were used there. Do you have any plans to test their products? There are simply no other power supplies with a native power 12VHPWR connector for a video card right now
Is atx3.1 just a cable change? Is compatible with atx3.0 power supplies? Or should I wait for atx3.1 power supplies? I was going to buy a Super Flower Leadex VII Gold 850W ATX 3.0 Power Supply but I think if i wait a few months?
@@HardwareBusters so that power supply doesn't come with the new cable? But it should plug in to the 12x8 connection with no problems even though the new cable is 12v 2x6?
But, but, but some youtuber expert Gamer Flexus, after extensive "scientific research" already decreed that 16pin power connector failed design is not Nvidia fault, he established as a fact that buyers of 4090 are too dumb to plugin in. Even though they were smart enough to buy a 4090, right after, they became too dumb to power it.
So, i have ASUS rog thor 2 witch is ATX 3.0 psu with the 12VHPWR native cable and ASUS ROG 4090 , is the 12V-2×6 compatible with those products or the pins are not fit cause will be shorter or larger and they dont click in? thank you for the work you do :D
hello, I'm clueless consumer here, and I already bought the ATX 3.0 PSU (12VHPWR connector & cable) earlier this year. and it paired with 4070 and runs well. I had some questions: 1. is this new 12v-2x6 connector being makes my ATX 3.0 PSU obsolete, or my PSU still compatible with future products that using 12v-2x6 connector? 2. Does this new "user error proof" safety on this new connector will still work if I'm using cables from my ATX 3.0 PSU to future Graphic card that already using newer 12-2x6 connector?
Only on the cable side - pins in GPU seems to be the same, which does not allewiate 'scrapping' coating from pins issue :(... in general, both GPU-board manufacturers, PSU manufacturers should not skip on quality that much. Pins were only nickel plated and built from copper, that's fine, but plating process needs to be top-notch and also how much plating layers you put is important (how many microns of nickel).
Ari do you know when the new cables and PSU (ATX 3.1) will come for sale ? In a couple of weeks I'm going to buy a new PSU, shall I wait for the new ones ? Also if I remember well, you had said that according with your informations, the new cables will be compatible with the connectors of the 40 series GPU. Is that correct ?
That is a good design. But still someone will manage to burn it somehow, you will see. This design is very inteligent, but human stupidity can be inifinite.
It's a garbage connector and IEEE needs to pull their heads out of their asses . This whole mess could be fixed with 2 - 8 Gauge OFC cables with keyed lugs on each end to nullify the stupid factor. Not only would it look better and be more flexible, it would also be capable of much more power at a lower resistance.
This is not a real world test!!!!!! Yes you guys should test with this machine, but also you need to test with a 4090 card under a heavy load while monitoring all voltages and amperages of the wires and if a one fails then you might be able to show Nvidia why it's happening.
Nope, they didn't. We monitored temps for quite a long period, and temperature was steady. If there is increased resistance in a matter of seconds you will notice fireworks.
The damage has been done and still 4090 are still failing this test is being done in open rig conditions yet pc cases restrict air flow, oem returns are still high the manufacturers know know of the registered owners are with the adapters so they should be actively contacting them to offer a new adapter for Free but most of the units issues are with overclocked cards supplying more than370w- to as much as 500w this super heats the narrow gaue cable to way more than 48c further more cable connector should be beefed up so the wiggle isn’t possible like the pci connector this fix is little more than a band aid what’s worse it’s not mandatory so no so no I won’t trust it and nvidia as well as amd should still offer the old interface, no graphics card especially in modern times where high power draw is fround on shouldn’t need more than 300w any more is just bad manufacturing
But this test dosent prove anything real, you are not doing the same conditions as a final client, you skip the most importante things, inside a PC case, with a graphic card thhat trow that hot air dirrectly to the connector itself
*Thank you for all your hard work and tests!!* 🤩
even when it's just on the test bench, they still had custom colour cables. also kudos to Linewell for sharing this. Show how confident they are with their product
we tested a random cable kit from the many they had there :)
Took your advice and went with the HX1500i (to avoid the whole debacle of 12VHPWR). Thanks!
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Kudos to Linewell Aris. Kudos for you sharing the inside testing. Thanks again and keep up the great vids :)
Thanks, will do!
I thought the point of the shortened sense pins was to stop any power delivery if the connector isn't fully plugged in, but here it looks like power delivery continues even with a partially unplugged connector. Are the sense pins just being ignored for this test, or did I misunderstand how they work?
Yes, they are ignored because it is not a GPU that is connected to the system, but a load tester. If a GPU was connected, its firmware would tell it to stop getting power.
So, even when not fully plugged, this connector doesnt have any issue during a fullload, no matter the sensepins?
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@@LeJohnnyBoy It seems so, if you do not skip the quality, then 12 cables are enough to push this, also I think that the plastic is also a bit higher grade (higher melting point, although that would cost a lot to implement! - you would need socket and connector withstanding 300+ C).
great work and so funny to see so many comments not thought through (sense pins) about a test environment that is designed to test for failure points not functionality.
Well said!
Looks promising. Thank you for the video.
Still no PSU on the market with ATX 3.1 in the UK
Give it some time :)
FSP has added 12V-2×6 to the Hydro G PRO ATX3.0 (12V-2x6) and Hydro PTM X PRO ATX3.0 (12V-2x6). If only they were available in the UK! I linked them in my last comment but that appears to have been deleted.
We don't delete comments. Anyway, will let FSP know, since I have them visiting my lab this week.
Amazing coverage of this topic and really impressed with the Linewell lab! It will have been RUclips deleting it due to the links to FSP but thanks for confirming. @@HardwareBusters
I think there would be quite a demand in the UK especially as the Hydro Ti PRO scores extremely well on your charts. If you could ask them if the Hydro Ti PRO is also getting a new 12V-2x6 connector revision that would be amazing. @@HardwareBusters
Every comment with a link will be deleted/hidden by RUclips, at least by default. I don't know if that is something what channel owner could change from settings.
Thanks for letting me know. One of the links to the new FSP power supplies can be found on the hardware busters website article courtesy of another user. Currently I don't think they can be found by just browsing the FSP website. @@leevi6026
Finally a safe socket for our graphics cards. At least they got it right the second time, but I believe they should have got it right the first time and they would have if they tested it more and more properly.
I'm currently on the fence about buying a 4090, and I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. If I was to buy a current 4090 card, would I be able to use the new 12V-2x6, or would I need to buy a card with the 12V-2x6 input built into the card to avoid the risk of melting?
Thanks for all the great work doing the testing!
Yeah, I’d like to know this as well. I currently have a 4090 FE and would like to get the updated cable if it is compatible!
@@J_KarnageI currently have my 4090 FE on my parents room, but I’m afraid to install it until I know for sure my 4090 won’t melt.
Just make sure its seated properly and you should be ok. the cable is the same and is compatible either, its the socket that has the changes. HB has some pretty decent articles about this on his website.
@@J_Karnage The cable itself is the same, the socket is what has the changes. HB has some pretty decent articles about this on his website.
@@NoobSaibotTheWraith Honestly my dude, as it was figured out months ago when this problem went viral on the internet, just make sure it is seated properly and you should be fine. The cable itself is the same but the new connectors are backwards compatible.HB has some pretty decent articles about this on his website.
Great, thank you !!!
hello. I want to purchase the white color powersupply box and the pcb's used in this video 1:23 , can anyone show me where I can purchase them?
I haven't had any issue with my 12VHPWR cable that came with my Seasonic Vertex GX 1200W for my Aorus RTX 4090 Master... But I'm kind of tempted to get this new 12VHPWR cable model by Seasonic.
If you compare the plugs with white and blue cables with the plugs with black cables, you can immediately see that the white and blue cables must have a larger diameter. Definitely not just a thicker coating. So when running on higher currents, like a RtX 4090 needs, the larger Dia is always the better and safer solution, IMHO seems logical.
So if we already have an ATX 3.0 PSU like the Asus Loki in this video, we just need a new cable?
if the Loki has the new socket, most likely will have the new cable, too.
@@HardwareBusters What new cable? Didn't you say the cables are identical?
will this new cable/connector/pins work with 4090 first released GPU from 2022 ??
yes
I'm assuming the new pins are the NTK ones? But I don't see this information readily available on any GPU or PSU PCIE 12V-2x6 cables so how do we know if we're buying a new GPU or PSU that is using the NTK pins and new plastic connectors?
Amazing video. When do you think the PSUs will be out with this?
in the next months I guess. Some PSUs already have the new header.
One thing I didn't understand clear: can we expect it being required industry standard of connector or there will be PSUs with worse or better built 12V-12x6?
Every ATX v3.1 PSU needs to have the new connector, IF it has a high-power connector.
Just admit that u felt like home! :-)
indeed I did :)
@@HardwareBusters Ι knew it! :-)
Editing my previous comment I think its an ROG Loki. It would be interesting to know if the cable is connected to 12VHPWR or revised 12V2x6 at the PSU side.
Wait shouldn't it stop providing power when not fully plugged in?
only if it is connected to a GPU
So I have a ATX3.0 PSU and a RTX4090. Will I benefit at all if I switched to a new 12V-2×6 cable since both still use the old 12VHPWR connector?
from the upgraded power pins mostly
@@HardwareBusters I've seen other comments where you comment the cable is identical. Are the power pins different on the cable side?
What are the advantages of the 12v connector on the PSU side? 2x8 connectors never had a problem.
only the smaller footprint on the modular board. If you mean 12+4 pin vs 2x 8 pin
my friend, Isn't the new connector supposed to cut the current when unproprely pluged?
for me, what you show and present as a good thing is the exact same issue thaw we already saw with the old connector.
but maybe your test bench short that 4 pins on purpose to see what happen when the power pins have plugged unproperly and still running on full load?
The load tester is not a GPU, it cannot sense the "sense" pins. It will provide load, regardless.
@@HardwareBusters
oh, ok then, that is great
thanks you for your response
i never hear something that i think about, why atx 3.0 don't just increase the tension let say to 24v, then the current will be half of the one we need now to obtain 600w
you think that is hard to do on a psu?
@@dris9274 But the GPU VRMs work with 12V, everything in the PC works with 12V... this would need a redesign of everything... This is something for ATX 6.0, not ATX 3.0 😅
@@Mike500
of course it need redesign, as they redesign the atx 3.0
i don't understand why they stick to that 12v enev when 600w is needed
i mean maibe the chip and memory are directly feeded by 12v current?
Does the new standard only change the cable or both the cable and the socket on the gpu?
the connector and its pins are different, the cables are the same as in 12VHPWR
I thought the entire point of making a new version was that it would properly disconnect when not inserted properly? If this sends full power when not plugged in fully that is the exact situation we had before with bad contact.
it is not connected to a GPU, so sense wires don't play a role
Hello Aris! For quite some time now, the cooler master has been producing the GX III model, with a 12VHPWR angled connector. They claim that, in addition to everything else, enhanced contacts were used there. Do you have any plans to test their products? There are simply no other power supplies with a native power 12VHPWR connector for a video card right now
I am still waiting for this PSU to arrive for testing.
This can work on like Asus ROG thor plat 2 PSU? Or that is a new Asus PSU?
Great news. Do you know if they are working on 90 or 180 degree connectors? These are useful for SFF computers.
I am sure brands like Cablemod will work on something like that.
Where can I buy those new high conductivity pins???
mouser?
Есть простые расчёты по толщине контактов но почему то все это игнорируют.
Is atx3.1 just a cable change?
Is compatible with atx3.0 power supplies?
Or should I wait for atx3.1 power supplies?
I was going to buy a Super Flower Leadex VII Gold 850W ATX 3.0 Power Supply but I think if i wait a few months?
cable remains the same, so you can get the Super Flower unit, since it uses 2x 8pin on its modular panel, which is also accepted by ATX v3.1
@@HardwareBusters so that power supply doesn't come with the new cable? But it should plug in to the 12x8 connection with no problems even though the new cable is 12v 2x6?
But, but, but some youtuber expert Gamer Flexus, after extensive "scientific research" already decreed that 16pin power connector failed design is not Nvidia fault, he established as a fact that buyers of 4090 are too dumb to plugin in. Even though they were smart enough to buy a 4090, right after, they became too dumb to power it.
what psu was that on the test bench? thx for the video
Asus SFX
So, i have ASUS rog thor 2 witch is ATX 3.0 psu with the 12VHPWR native cable and ASUS ROG 4090 , is the 12V-2×6 compatible with those products or the pins are not fit cause will be shorter or larger and they dont click in? thank you for the work you do :D
The changes are mostly on the PCB header, so if your 4090 doesn't have the new socket, you cannot do anything about that.
hello, I'm clueless consumer here, and I already bought the ATX 3.0 PSU (12VHPWR connector & cable) earlier this year. and it paired with 4070 and runs well.
I had some questions:
1. is this new 12v-2x6 connector being makes my ATX 3.0 PSU obsolete, or my PSU still compatible with future products that using 12v-2x6 connector?
2. Does this new "user error proof" safety on this new connector will still work if I'm using cables from my ATX 3.0 PSU to future Graphic card that already using newer 12-2x6 connector?
1) Nope. Your PSU will still be compatible with upcoming products
2) Nope. You need to have the new cable, also.
Is the change only on the GPU and PSU side or is the plug changed as well?
Only on the cable side - pins in GPU seems to be the same, which does not allewiate 'scrapping' coating from pins issue :(... in general, both GPU-board manufacturers, PSU manufacturers should not skip on quality that much. Pins were only nickel plated and built from copper, that's fine, but plating process needs to be top-notch and also how much plating layers you put is important (how many microns of nickel).
Ari do you know when the new cables and PSU (ATX 3.1) will come for sale ? In a couple of weeks I'm going to buy a new PSU, shall I wait for the new ones ? Also if I remember well, you had said that according with your informations, the new cables will be compatible with the connectors of the 40 series GPU. Is that correct ?
Several brands already ship PSUs with the new high-power cables. Also, the new connector is backward compatible, yes.
@@HardwareBustersso do you know if Asus will have a new batch of Thor 2 with this cable?.
cheers.
not full in and it works nice now let it run for like 600h to see it anything goes wrong
thermal runaway happens all at once
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That is a good design. But still someone will manage to burn it somehow, you will see. This design is very inteligent, but human stupidity can be inifinite.
true
It's a garbage connector and IEEE needs to pull their heads out of their asses . This whole mess could be fixed with 2 - 8 Gauge OFC cables with keyed lugs on each end to nullify the stupid factor. Not only would it look better and be more flexible, it would also be capable of much more power at a lower resistance.
those cables arent for diy people would get electrocuted you idiot
This is not a real world test!!!!!! Yes you guys should test with this machine, but also you need to test with a 4090 card under a heavy load while monitoring all voltages and amperages of the wires and if a one fails then you might be able to show Nvidia why it's happening.
Ela re....
They will still melt I'm sure of it
Nope, they didn't. We monitored temps for quite a long period, and temperature was steady. If there is increased resistance in a matter of seconds you will notice fireworks.
@HardwareBusters Well that's promising, thank you for your reply. Fingers crossed.
@@HardwareBusters Is that with it not fully plugged in?
Can you freaking test with fully plugged cable? LOL
did you see the first part of the vid? Did that too.
The damage has been done and still 4090 are still failing this test is being done in open rig conditions yet pc cases restrict air flow, oem returns are still high the manufacturers know know of the registered owners are with the adapters so they should be actively contacting them to offer a new adapter for Free but most of the units issues are with overclocked cards supplying more than370w- to as much as 500w this super heats the narrow gaue cable to way more than 48c further more cable connector should be beefed up so the wiggle isn’t possible like the pci connector this fix is little more than a band aid what’s worse it’s not mandatory so no so no I won’t trust it and nvidia as well as amd should still offer the old interface, no graphics card especially in modern times where high power draw is fround on shouldn’t need more than 300w any more is just bad manufacturing
But this test dosent prove anything real, you are not doing the same conditions as a final client, you skip the most importante things, inside a PC case, with a graphic card thhat trow that hot air dirrectly to the connector itself
omg this mean nvidia SCAMMED US
55Amps? My main breaker will trip at 50. Needless to say, normal users will never exceed 10Amps but I am glad they overengineer it.
12v not 120-230,
is the seasonic focus gx 3.0 ok?
From which point?