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Paris is a stupid! :v
What you re angry to Achille for.. Hector was the leader of the other armie anyways.. Achille just killed an anemy watching by his point iof view
Pleaseeee pleaseeee please do Apocalypto
Please! Do Apocalypto! :3
Lol, what an overreaction in the twelfth minute... Now I got a headache.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses.
Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles.
Let them say, I don't die in this movie.
~ Sean Bean (Odisseus)
lol
How does this not have more likes?
Two things. One, when I first saw the trailer for Troy, the only question going through my mind was "Who's playing Odysseus?" because I had already watched "The Odyssey" with Armand Asante as Odysseus. And two, yeah, he didn't die, because Odysseus CAN'T die in this story. Not only does he survive the Trojan War, but he has to have his own adventure AFTER the Trojan War, which is covered in The Odyssey.
rofl
@@Skywolf224 if this was posted on a way bigger channel then it would be. no hate on the queen just saying if some big youtuber like mr beast or markiplier reacted then of course he would have more like.
"Yeah he is, and he's dying for you, because you're stupid" Paris in a nutshell, youth and stupidity often go together. This is one of my favorite Brad Pitt roles, good story and performances.
He did great no doubt, but gotta say Eric Bana stole the show.
According to IMDb, 'Orlando Bloom disliked his character, thinking him a coward and an idiot.'
@@PhantomFilmAustralia *Orlando was right.*
@@starhunter9085 If I were Hector, I would have kicked the shit out of that kid for years to toughen him up instead of enabling him to be a pussified mama's boy.
Legends of the Fall is my favorite Brad Pitt movie/character. Tristian is also my youngest brothers name.
Hector was my personal favorite.
12:42 While blinded by rage and hate Achilles defeats Hector. King Priam then uses his words and destroys Achilles emotionally, making Achilles realize that he went too far in disrespecting the prince of Troy, and even cries for him.
Achilles: “You’re son is the best I’ve fought.”
Such recognition is a huge!
When Achilles was born, his mother held him by his heel and dipped his entire body into the River Styx. This made Achilles basically un-killable because his skin was invinceable. The only spot that he could be hurt was in his heel where his mother held him when she dipped him in the river. Paris got lucky to shoot him in that exact spot and that is why he was able to kill Achilles. This is where the actual term achilles heel on your foot comes from.
Also, when you refer to someone's "Achilles' heel," you are referring to their weakness or vulnerability.
*In the myth, Apollo guides the arrow to Achilles' heel and the arrow is poisoned.*
I do really like how they portray his invulnerability. Its not just thing bouncing off him. He's just THAT good :)
@@michaelriddick7116 really not an expert but i feel like in many stories when some in like blessed with invunerability or there is a legend of some being one it does not mean they are "bulletproof" they just are very very good warriors (with some divine luck maybe) or they are so mighty that very few dare to challenge them
so i do agree that they did very good job portraying achilles in this movie
@@starhunter9085 well he did piss off the wrong god irony abounds
By the way, Paris gave the Sword of Troy to a man named Aeneas. And he indeed found a new home to their people - on the neighboring peninsula, in the shape of a boot.
According to legend, the descendants of Aeneas were Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome.
And then Rome conquered Greece...
And all the countries around the Mediterranean.
And yet, in the end, Rome didn't learn from its mistakes, because history would repeat itself in 410 AD, when the Visigoths under King Alaric used a Trojan Horse-style tactic/ruse to sack Rome.
How ironic
all thats truth.... but the end of the day... i wonder... finaly . who conquered who....))
@@kevinnorwood8782 by the 400's the legions were no longer the legions of old. And Rome had long since outgrown it's main walls. The visigoths basically just rode into the city virtually unopposed.
It's a myth not real event.
At the beginning, the way you were reacting to Paris' and Helen's relationship, I was afraid you weren't going to come around and realize that Paris was a selfish POS. Paris was the real bad guy in this story.
Paris and king Agamemnon. Yet there is some pity for Paris in his terrible youthful decisions.
the king and that idiot priest or whatever he kept listening to weren't much better, they made 2 terrible decisions which led to troy's destruction. first going against hector's advice and attacking the ships which led to the death of achilles's cousin, and then stupidly bringing that horse into the city.
i wouldn't call them bad guys though, just idiots.
@@Jack_80 you have to take the mythology in this world into account. E.g the gods are real.
"boys will be boys lel"
- King Priam
Not Agamemnon?!
The coin they put on the eyes is the pay for the ferryman: you have to pay him so he will take you across the river Styx to the underworld. So even back then, nothing was free :)
lol
Hahahah
Similar to the pirates wearing gold earrings, to be able to pay Poseidon to enter his undersea world, if they should die in the sea.
It is free if you wait 100 years on the banks of the river. Then finally you are granted passage.
@@Tom_McMurtry "Naw, guy! I'm sposta be be in Elysium! Don't you know who I am? Look, I got people waiting for me!"
**clears throat, holds out emaciated hand*
"What!? Oh! Ok. Fine. I see which side the pita's buttered on..." (hands a couple coins).
Actually it was the dad's fault for attacking the Greeks. If he didn't Achilles would have sailed away.
I mean the king is so greedy, what make you think he will make peace, with or without Ellen.
@@Boysndahood22 Greeks couldn't breach their walls. Eventually they would have to go home when they lost enough men and were low on supplies.
Yes, both his father and his brother failed Hector, yet he failed neither (of them).
@@teddyj5187 They could just surround their walls and starve them
@@Shape1999 true.
And that's where the name for our Achilles tendon comes from - the place where Achilles was shot. It's also where the term _"Achilles' heel"_ comes from - meaning a single weakness in something that is otherwise strong.
I found you crying over a story nearly 3,000 years old to be one of the most moving things in a long time. It is to your credit that you can be moved to tears by one of the world's greatest stories. Don't lose that. It is a special gift.
Well said !
Indeed!
3.200 Years
The giant horse plan was the idea of Odysseus, the most clever and cunning of the Greeks. The book THE ODYSSEY is about his return home after the war and it's a great adventure story. If you like to read, you may enjoy it. It's full of monsters and witchcraft but Odysseus must get home to his beloved wife, Penelope.
Yeah i think Odysseus is my favorite character in the Illiad and the Odyssey.
in the movie hector's father and the idiot priest he kept listening to were the real downfall. hector told him it was a bad idea to attack when achilles cousin was killed. after that paris tried to tell them to burn the horse, but once again his father and the idiot priest make a poor decision that leads to the destruction of troy.
@@Jack_80 Agreed.
Hector embodies the perfect soldier, the perfect son, the perfect husband and father, the perfect citizen.
from what I can remember from the book, Achilles chased Hector around the entire city walls 3 times on foot before Hector stopped to fight him.
Yeah Hector was actually scared of Achilles and tried to avoid fighting him for a long time with running around 3 times with the aid of Apollo too, giving him speed.
Hector later stops after some prompting from Athena, convincing him to fight. Which later results quickly with his death.
@@TheRealRealMClovin I would like to see it in the film.
Hector scared like his brother, hate how this film ends.
It's called kiting, Hector was just trying to cheese the game mechanics
you'd think if he was really that scared he just would have remained safe within the city walls.
One of the few movies where Sean Bean (Ned Stark) doesn't die!
it's been years since i've seen it, but i'm pretty sure he lives in silent hill.
Excuse me sir, Sean Bean is Boromir first, THEN Ned Stark.
This was a time when honor meant everything to a man...let alone a prince/soldier.
Ofc the question is which honor, there is not "the honor" but different types of honor and the honor of one could be the shame of another.
And ofc even in that time...honor was going to be wealth, and wealth could get to be like honor.
Showing in the fact that the form of goverment called by the ancient greeks "Timokratie" comes originally from the word Timè (meaning honor) but then describes a form of goverment where the persons not by honor, but by wealth are seperatet in different groups of voting-classes. (For example the roman republic was an very late example of that kind of timokratie)
Lol what time...every generation has had people making these type of statements...this is a portrayal of a military world, not the population as a whole.
No it wasn’t. This is romanticized. The Greeks fought dirty and played dirty.
The Illiad means the Fury in attic greek, and it refers specifically to Achilles' overwhelming anger. The Greeks liked to embue each of their great oratory heros with a specific flaw. Odysseus had a lack of piety that made the gods spite him, Achilles' great flaw was his fury, which lead to his death. The Illiad was actually the fourth of a six book tale about the Trojan war. only the Illiad and the Odyssey survived to modernity, the first three and last book were lost to the ravages of time.
illiad meas land of ilio not fury, moron, im greek odyesseus flaw is knowledge which he seek with no bound at the sacrifice of everything achilles flaw is hybris pride
achilles flaw is hybris pride glory which he chose short life for eternal glory
First of all Iliad doesn't mean the Fury in attic greek. Iliad is from Ilion which is an other name of Troy. For this reason we have Trojan war and Iliad.
"There are no pacts between lions and men. You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears, or a tongue. You will wander the Underworld blind, deaf, and dumb, and all the dead will know: This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles." Those lines are almost straight out of The Iliad, word for word.
No kiddin?
@@TheNightKing22 In the actual book, Hector asks Achilles to make the pact for the funeral rituals as a fellow warrior, but Achilles responds, "Lions do not make pacts with men, nor do wolves make pacts with sheep!"
@@kevinnorwood8782 thank you for the information! I must read that story. It's gotta be one of the best. Homer was a legendary man.
Hector in this movie is the man I strive to be it was so sad to see him go down.
For me Hector is the best character and muuch better character than Achilles
Sorry i m french you need à translation
En réalité hector a peur d'Achille et cour autour des murs pour échapper à achille qui veut le tuer
Puis athena chuchote à achille qu'elle va forcer hector à combattre en prenant l'apparence de son frère venant l'aider à combattre son ennemi et disparaît une fois le combat commencé
I love how the movie leaves it ambiguous whether or not Achilles was truly a demigod who is only vulnerable at the ankle. Maybe he was just a legendary warrior. He didn't get so much as a papercut the entire film until then, so it's hard to say if it was the ankle shot, or the subsequent chest shots that put him down.
The movie portrais Achilles as a great warrior, and then "explains" how the legend was born. Because he take out/break all the arrows that was fatal, but he only did not remove the one arrow in is achilles. So its clear why the the "legend" spread that he was killed because of that injury.
It's literally a crime of passion. Heat of the moment. Someone kills your family member (or lover as the original story put it.) I doubt you'd be the picture of self control. And before you go off about his cousin being a little shit... sometimes we're the last ppl to see the bad in the ones we love. Regardless of his reasons, Achilles saw the good in his 'cousin' first and foremost.
The last part, when Paris gives Aeneas the Sword of Troy is kind of epic too. He went down and started the Roman Empire with that very sword.
The Trojan king also said to Achilles I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes till the moment you closed them.
always thought they would make a sequel with Sean Bean telling the story of "The Odyssey" ... and it's not too late yet
Surely!!!
JoseLoza Well, the thing is, I'm not sure such a sequel will be made because that story has already been covered in the TV miniseries "The Odyssey", which stars Armand Asante as Odysseus, so what you're talking about would have to live up to the standard set by that miniseries, and that's a pretty tall task.
@Gevorg1989 we got tech that could cover those special effects. it can be done.
Troy was not succesfull enough for a sequel.
I don't get how you keep talking badly about the cousin and calling him stupid while still defending Paris. While true he wasn't ready to fight someone like Hector, he entered the battle for his country men because he didn't want to leave them to die, while Paris knowingly put his country men and family in war for his romance.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
I see you were sad for Hector but still Falling head over heels for Archilles.. got me smiling and laughing.
Last year I went over the places where Achileus was trained by the Centauer Ceiron in the Pilion mountains the myths tell us in Greece (where I used to stay every summer) :)
One of the most beautiful places in Greece.
There is a thing called the Achillis rage where he got so angry that he cant think straight for the moment but bloodlust. I think this movie is trying to portray that.
i've seen that movie dozens of times and still cried with your reaction. Love it!
they dont make movies like this anymore, this is my top 3 alongside with Gladiator and Kingdom of heaven (director cut)
i pay my respects to that selection :)
I agree, a great Top 3 to have
i saw kingdom of heaven but it never compared to those other 2 series for me. the series spartacus and rome are 2 of my favorites of this type, they both have such amazing stories and characters, i just can't seem to get tired of those 2 shows, especially spartacus. braveheart is another of my favorites and a usa original movie called attila with gerard butler that not too many people seem to know about. it's like 15-20 years old now and not very easy to find but you should definitely check out attila if you haven't seen it.
All of them among my favourites too. Good point about the director's cut, the first time I watched Kingdom(theatrical release) I didn't like it at all and when I watched the director's cut it became one of my favourite movies, that's not something that usually happens...
Here for solo Ellie really, passion, emotion and humour.
Hector before he faces Achilles, to Paris: Let me show you how to really fight.
Paris to Hector: I´d rather not (proceeds to train with a bow).
*doesnt expound* *dies* lol
Helene of Sparta is framed as the 'problem ' in this version. In the original text is is not clear if Helene leaves with Paris voluntarily (abandoning her daughter Hermione too) or was kidnapped or was under a spell from Aphrodite to be payment to Paris for choosing her of 3 goddesses to win a golden apple. Each version makes a huge difference to the good and bad guys I the story
The battle between Hector and Achilles happened thousands of years ago - it was recorded and spoken by Homer and referenced by Plato in the Republic - it is not really gonna change in 2021.
Mellie, you´re a beautiful soul. Loved how you got from ranting about Paris into ranting about Patroklos to ranting about pretty much everyone involved:) But hey, it´s a greek tragedy, we know what´s gonna happen, right?
I think Michelle needs to be there with Ellie for support, someone to hold onto and be comforted while screaming!!! Plus to teach Ellie to stop wiping snot onto her hands.x. Cheer's loved it 🇬🇧
nah
no
In the original story, the Greek gods participate in the story, for instance, his mother Tethis was supposed to be a goddess who made him invincible by submerging him in waters that made him invulnerable to every weapon, except from the portion where she supported him from, his heel.
In this movie they show the gods like superstitions and at the end, when Greeks find Achilles dead with a single arrow in his heel it's like they create that legend to explain why that happened. It is a different take on the all-time classic, the War of Troy, described in Homer's 'The Iliad'.
The late Peter O'Toole reportedly hated this film, by give the man credit he doesn't sleepwalk through it. A fantastic actor.
Excuse me, but here the culprit of everything is the coward of Paris. patroclus was a great warrior who, despite the difference in strength, went head to head against hector to the end, which cannot be said of paris who had to hide at his brother's feet like the cockroach that it is.
Ellie, the twelve day pact wasn’t part of the plan to build the Trojan Horse. Odysseus came up with that plan on the fly. After Agamemnon made his promise of smashing Troy’s walls to the ground even if it killed nearly his entire army, Odysseus realized “Okay, our commander is completely insane. I need to find a way to end this war as quickly as possible, and a way that will minimize the casualties on our side.” Odysseus was always described as the most intelligent and cunning of the Greek kings in Homer’s works, and I really wish we had gotten to see more of that in this film.
In the Movie Paris gives the Sword of Troy to the young man called Aeneas. According to legend Aeneas led the survivors from Troy to establish a new city far away in Italy. This city became Rome.
He founded Lavinium his descendent Romulus founded Rome.
" Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin Cousin " hahaha
This movie has everything.Action.heroism.drama.romance and tragedy.
You have to realize you're watching a movie within a limited time frame. The actual siege of the city of Troy, took 10 years! The movie would make it appear that events happened rather quickly, but they did not. Odysseus was a military genius, it was he that came up with the idea of the giant horse. He knew that the Trojans would bring it inside the wall, that they would not destroy it because that might anger Poseidon. When Achilles beheaded the golden statue of Apollo, Hector pointed out that the man that did it was not struck down by the gods. The coins over the eyes was meant as payment for the boatman Charon, to take the dead across the river Styx.
LOL not that smart took him ten years at that point I'm sure they had tried everything lol " that crazy devinchi he invented a flying machine right lol" 🤣 maybe itll work
@@josemadera3138 would you have thought of it? sometimes things dont just come into you. if Odysseus hadnt thought of the Trojan Horse idea, then how many years would have taken Greece to conquer Troy? maybe not even conquering the city at all and had to go back to Greece in defeat
You can summarize this movie as: If your a lover not a fighter. You're waiting to be conquered.
Regardless of Hector killing Patroclus, Hector and Achilles would have fought. The whole point of Achilles going there was to fight Hector. The only reason he didn't kill him in the temple was because he wanted an audience to witness it.
Achilles wasn't even interested in joining the fleet. He was hiding in drag in a nunnery, when they came calling. It was only because Odysseus tricked him into revealing himself, that he mustered the Myrmidons to fight.
Terrific reaction to the film, Ellie - thankyou.
The Hollywood movie really does take some HUGE liberties with the story of the siege of Troy as it was told in the original Greek legends; but if at the end (as you said in your comments) you felt there were no clear-cut good guys or bad guys in the story, then maybe that’s about right. It’s a tragic tale; there are no “winners” in the end, just losers.
Perhaps the worst mistake Hollywood made (judging from your comments) was to leave you with the impression that Patroclus was merely the “cousin” of Achilles. Actually, their friendship was more intimate than that - but apparently Hollywood felt they couldn't show that kind of relationship. Imagine if (God forbid, but as an example) someone took Michelle away from you, forever. How would you feel? It stoked Achilles into a rage even HE couldn’t control - until old king Priam asked for Hector’s body back. Again, there are no winners, only losers.
It might be interesting if you could show this movie to Michelle as well sometime, to see it together?
•That's not Achilles; that's Patroclus wearing Achilles' armor to raise the spirits of the army.
•And yet Hector must face Achilles because that's how it plays out in mythology. So blame Homer or Virgil (mostly Homer)
•Anyone else hear the music in the fight and think of the old Achilles game on Random Games?
•A powerful moment in the poem; Priam, King of Troy, coming to ask for the body of his son and Achilles, being moved by Priam's words, gives it back. Also, DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF THE HALLOWED DEAD!
•Because that's what Homer wrote it.
•"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" is a famous Latin phrase from Virgil's Aeneid. It translates, "Beware the Greeks bearing gifts." This was Laocoon's warning to his fellow Trojans regarding the Trojan Horse, but it went unheeded and so the Trojans allowed their enemies into the city and caused the Sack of Troy.
•They used timber from their own ships. After 10 years, there are some ships that could no longer be fully oared.
•The credit for that goes to Odysseus, King of Ithaca and protagonist of the Odyssey.
•Yeah, according to Mythology, there were gods who supported the Greeks and gods who supported the Trojans.
•Aeneas, son of Prince Anchises and the goddess Venus, will lead the Trojans to a new home in Latium, the land of the Latins. They will then eventually become the Romans.
•Priam was killed in the Sack of Troy, but by Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles.
•Agamemnon survived the Trojan War and died back in Greece.
•Paris did kill Achilles by piercing his heel, but with a spear. Achilles was invincible everywhere on the body, but his heel, hence the famous expression "an Achilles Heel." The death of Achilles also happened before the Sack of Troy.
•Paris also died before the Sack of Troy.
•Placing coins on the eyes for the Ferryman to take Achilles to the Realm of the Dead.
Nicely written. One thing though is that in most versions Achilles was indeed killed by Paris shooting an arrow guided by Apollo.
In the original text, Paris's sister Cassandra says not to accept the horse, but she was cursed to know the future but never to be believed
Haven't seen anyone mention this yet but it seems worth note, in original Iliad Achilles and Patroclus weren't cousins. They were...much closer.
Close but not explicitly sexual.
Some peoples say they're brother. Some people say best friend. Some people say lovers. We all have different opinions of them.
The gods promised Achilles fame and eternal glory ... And that was exactly what he received. ;)
Aeneas receives the Sword of Troy. He goes on to found Rome. Rome conquers Greece. Trojans win in the end but it takes centuries.
what's the story with Achilles, his only weakness was where his mother held him by his achilles when she dipped him in the river Styx. this protected him everywhere but where she held him.
Hector's code: Honor the gods, love your woman and defend your country.
Paris code: Rely on the Gods, love other men's women and let your country defend you.
In my version of the film, Paris stumble on a rock somewhere outside the cave and plummets to his doom. Helen goes on without him.
That's funny. :)
I don't know, i still like Achilles for his fearless nature. On the other hand Hector got to the wrong side bcoz of his selfish immature brother, instead of correcting him , Hector fought for his Brother's mistake.
“Aw, this is such a mess!”
Welcome to ancient mythology!
Some facts that are basically different in this movie
1. Agamemnon doesnt die in Troy. He also isnt such a prick.
2. The war lasted for 10 years.
3. Achilles was supposed to be completely invulnerable with the only exception being his heel. That's why we have in our bodies the Achille's tendon which is at our heel. Paris did shot him in the heel and killed him. It was the only way for him to die.
4. Greek build the Troyan Horse by destroying some of their own ships.
5. In the original book there is also a battle of the gods that are fighting along side the humans. Some gods are on greek side (Athena) and some are on troy side (Venus and Appolo).
The phrase "Achilles heel" means the only weakness of someone powerful
the legend continues, the survivors of Troy, creating France, the city Paris was named in honor of the princes Paris of Troy
The level of anger being channeled here is genius.
Hector's father, king Priam, is played by Peter O'Toole. If you'd like to see him play a much more hale and hearty king, please watch "The Lion In Winter."
Achilles removes his helmet and Hector removes it too because it'd be an unfair advantage. His honor demanded he remove it. The attention to detail is amazing
12:04 I wonder what the neighbors have thought xD
Ellie the Champion of passion!
In mythology , Achilles is supposed to have died from an arrow to the heel, which is where we get Achilles tendon in the back of the leg attached to the heel.And also the term Achilles heal, meaning your secret weakness.
After the Trojan war, Odysseus sets sail for home but his ships are driven off course by a massve storm. He ends up wandering the meditteranean for 10 years before making it back to Greece. Homer's "Odyssey" recounts his adventures during this time. Fun fact: The tomb of Achilles is in modern day Turkey.
The Greeks were REALLY good ship builders. They supposedly made the Horse from some of their ships.
The coins on the eyes is your fare to pay to the Ferryman, Charon, for the trip across the River Styx to the afterlife.
"This is a legend, right?" Well... maybe. For the longest time, the city of Troy, and by extension the Trojan War, were consigned to mythology. Scholars tended to regard it as little more than a story told by Homer, if he even existed, to teach lessons. Then, in 1868 amateur archaeologists Frank Calvert and Heinrich Schliemann began excavations at the area now acknowledged as the city of Troy. As to whether that means the Trojan War as Homer described it took place, well who knows? But the discovery of Troy does lend credence to the idea that much of what we dismiss as being a simple myth might contain some truth to it.
The great Peter O'Toole plays King Priam. He has very good movies. I recommend Lawrence of Arabia.
let me explain to you something like a Greek that I am. for the moment when the arrow hit Achilles' heel. When he was a baby, his mother dipped him in a spring of immortal water and held him by the heel, his heel did not touch the water and that was his grooved point. Iliad The Achilles heel
I hate how they portray Patroclus in this movie. They don't even remotely show the true relationship that he and Achilles had, they were closer than friends, closer than family, closer than brothers, many even say they were lovers which would make perfect sense. That's why his death is so pivotal to Achilles, they grew up together and Achilles actually looked up to Patroclus, not the other way around. It's even said that they were buried together, that's how important each one was to the other. And I hate that they make him look like a young naive fool for going into battle when in reality he was a great fighter and very brave for going into battle as Achilles. He wanted the greek army to rally behind achilles, and if achilles wouldn't do it himself, he offered himself up with the Myrmidons. He wasn't stupid, he knew exactly what he was doing and he succeeded in uniting the army again.
I think you may have missed that yes, per the movie version, indeed the Greeks took advantage of the 12 days to build the Trojan Horse, but Achilles wasn't actually part of the plan to make it, or even sack the city. He merely used the diversion of the Greeks entering, to both find Briseis and to kill Agamemnon
@@mr.gadfly6249 Historically speaking, I have no idea. I just noticed that from a movie standpoint, she appeared to believe Achilles was sort of "involved" in the destruction of Troy. I don't believe he was, in anyway. As he said, he had his "own war to fight"
@@mr.gadfly6249 Yes he was. Also his son is the one that kills the king of Troy I believe. Hell Paris is dead at this point too.
Troy was turned into rubble. The few survivors went east. The majority of the city was killed
The mistake was by the king who listened to a deluded priest who never seen a knife rather than his own son who have decades of combat experience
i am SO GLAD you watched this before they re released it with different music
His cousin was a patriot…
Cousin (Patroclus) had to lead Myrmidons into battle, otherwise fleet would be burned and Greeks doomed, he knew Greeks would get huge morale boost and Trojans morale will drop if they see Achilles leading Myrmidons into the battle. Also, its sad to see new generations not being educated in Iliad and Odyssey, or rest of Greek mythology, for example Charon and gold coins...
The Aenead too by Virgil as without knowing the moment the sword is passed to Aeneus in this and Aeneus'importance in the Illyiad is lost. The Trojans got ultimate revenge by founding the Roman civilisation and subjegating the Greeks.
@@kbe2176 Yep, I was thinking about mentioning Aeneas too but wanted to keep post short so I did not mention him :D
@@kbe2176 The Trojans took no revenge.
@@kbe2176 Your position is wrong, the Greek civilization subjugated the Roman civilization. The Romans themselves considered the Greek culture superior to theirs.
@@johnnycash7020 The Roman's conquered Greece first as the Roman republic in 146 BC after the battle of Corinth and it was under Roman Rule during Emperor Augustus when the Aeneid was written by Virgil 30BC (ish). Greece was very much subjugated by Rome.
Troy has always been considered a legend, until the great archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann found it, he devoted himself wholeheartedly to it..
Oh man... that scene as Hector stabs Patroclus.... watching as a boy chokes on his blood, knowing he cant let this drag on. Phew. Such a hard hitter
Can you react to the Alexander the Great movie?
Ohh yeah i agree!!
Even though it’s not such a great movie and doesn’t tell the whole story/history.
It is still worth watching just to learn and other stuff.
How amazing that someone that young could do so much, that such a person actually existed and started it all at like 16 years old.
Then I’am also little of a fanboy as he is my favorite person in history.
Hector was the only fully decent man in the movie.
Not shown in the movie, but Archilles was either homosexual or bisexual. I remember in college a girl/friend of mine was very disappointed that the movie did not show that his "cousin" was actually his lover. Much later on, I learned my friend was a leader of an LBQT college group.
Your reactions are always on point. So entertaining and fun. Keep it up
Ellie nailed this one. This movie was produced by the same two who would later go on to produce Game of Thrones.
The Greeks had a good idea that the Trojans would take the horse inside the walled city of Troy because the Trojans where a culture that was made famous because they were known
in the ancient Western Mediterranean world for their excellent horse breeding capabilities, that's one of the main reasons they became a rich City-State Kingdom in there time.
I remember how much i hated Paris as a character in this movie XD
But luckily or sadly depending how you feel.
Paris but also Andromache(Hectors wife)meet much worse fates.
As Paris dies slowly and painfully by Philoctetes(one of the heroes not shown in this movie) poison arrow, which was blessed by Heracles with hydra poison of the hydra he slew.
Helen tried to take Paris to his first wife Oenone which Paris left for Helen. As she is a famous healer on top of mount of ida.
She refused to help when she saw the women paris had left her for, leaving paris to dies horribly by the poison on the stairs.
Andromache became a widow and later taken into slavery her whole life.
Helen later was taken back home to sparta by her husband Menelaus as he actually survives compared to the movie
Enjoyable film, Ellie was better.
Patroclus was not a spoiled incompetent brat. He was a very competent fighter. So much so that only after his helmet was taken off the Myrmidons saw it was not Achilles.
History, it cannot be changed and only used to not repeat the bad things that has happened. Stay safe and be blessed.
I can’t tell who she hates more Paris for starting a war or Patroclus for getting Hector killed 😂😂😂 I’m enjoying the rant at 8:00
Now you know what people mean, when they speak of a "Greek tragedy."
Paris is the reason why all this happened
I laughed so hard at her making fun of patriclies
Don't blame Particles, it's all Paris' fault
Small detail when Achilles takes his helmet off so does Hector because he knows that gives Achilles an advantage because his vision is not impaired by the helmet..but as a kid I thought he did it out of respect or to make the fight even but now I realized it was a tactic and Hector noticed it.. or I could be wrong and thinking too deep into it 😂😂😂
@Narkomancers 😂😂 right, that sh!t backfired hahaha
According to myth, Rome was founded on April 21st in 753 BC. from Romulus. According to myth, Rome was founded by a descendant of the Trojan hero Aeneas, who fled to Italy after the destruction of Troy.
The GAME OF THRONES vibe is on purpose, since David Benioff, the co-creator of GOT, also co-wrote this movie.
In fact, it can't have the Game Of Thrones vibe, because Ned Stark doesn't die in this story.
Achilles did not know that the horse would be used and the Greeks did not attack during the 12 days