Great review! My Patron 920 just arrived a few days ago and so far I'm absolutely loving it. I did immediately swap the Dissectors for Assegai's. At $6,499 USD I think the Patron is a pretty good value.
If you could choose between a Scott strike 910 and a cube stereo hybrid 160 hpc actionteam 750, which would you recommend? Rather for XC and lighter trails. Thank you
Hi ! I have some questions about the scott patreon eride 900 series and I was wondering where the key difrence is ? (Between the tuned ,normal ultimate)
I do love Scott bikes, especially the Genius range, but I am unsure about this one. I am in the market for an ebike and I am considering the Orbea Rise, as I want something that feels more analogue, but I do need electric assist as I am post surgery! My ideal would be a Twinloc system on the Orbea, but that is just not possible - Twinloc is one of the best selling features on the Scott bikes IMHO
The Orbea Rise is a great e-MTB for sure! If you've not seen it, this is our review if you fancy checking it out: ruclips.net/video/3CAsrkvlQu8/видео.html Scott is yet to enter the lightweight e-MTB game, but given the Swiss brand has put a focus on producing svelte carbon frames across the Spark, Genius and Ransom models, it's surely only a matter of time before it jumps in. [Wil]
5 months later: Scott Lumen is what you are looking for... absolut beast of a bike. Just a bit our of my price range... so still looking into the Parton
Great review Wil. Wondering how this compares to the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 HPC Actionteam that you've got on test? Obvious difference is wheel size 29" vs 27.5", cost (the Cube is $5K AUD cheaper), twinloc, but they both have a Bosch motor, FIT4 dampers in the forks and weigh about the same despite alloy rear triangle for the cube and relatively conservative geo- but I suspect I might have to wait until the Cube review drops for my answer :)?
Cheers Sandy! It's a good question you pose, because the Cube offers some similarities as well as some key differences. Jumping between the two presented a stark difference in handling, primarily due to the Cube using 27.5in wheels and much shorter chainstays. It is way more nimble as a result, and is very easy to place on the trail. Loves jumping and carving corners, though the steering is a bit twitchier than the Patron. The suspension is also much plusher on the Cube. It's got great traction and it passes on less feedback through the pedals. Very impressed by how smooth it is. There are some annoying downsides that I'm currently trying to iron out before we wrap up testing, though all going to plan, the review should be hitting flowmountainbike.com in the coming week. Stay tuned! [Wil]
Can someone tell me if you can fit a fox float in the rear suspension? I guess you wont be able to with the given space in the frame and also the slide cover would not be bale to be put back on
We did ride one back in 2018 when they were first launched, but I don't believe the frame has changed since then? From what I understand the Tazer now comes with a Shimano EP8 motor but it still has a 504Wh battery, which these days is on the small side. I suspect Intense is probably working on a new version, but I guess we'll have to wait and see! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeRUclips thank you sir. Ive been a big intense fan for a long while now. Just haven’t had the opportunity to put any miles on a Tazer. I trust you guys and your reviews so naturally I started research here. Cheers to you guys and keep up the amazing work 🤘
I reckon you probably could Neil! Our test bike has already gone back to Scott so unfortunately I can't check for you. Piggyback or not, it would be interesting to see Scott offer a specific model with a more aggro spec for the Patron. A meatier front tyre and a GRIP2 damper would make a huge difference to its descending abilities. [Wil]
The screen and controller are very prominent on top of the bars - I had to remove a wheel out on the trail the other day, and I remembered just at the last moment not to flip the bike upside down - that would have been a bad mistake! I spoke with Bosch the other day, and apparently if you do break off the Kiox display in a crash, the motor system is still operable as it's only a screen. This differs to the previous generation Bosch system, where the display housed the brains of the system. In fact, you can actually remove the new Kiox display entirely and just use the LED controller if you wanted to tidy up the cockpit. The plastic controller is still quite vulnerable though, especially compared to the more low-profile options from Shimano, Specialized/Brose, Trek/TQ, and Giant/Yamaha. [Wil]
Not a fan of the position of the motor, have to lift out of the frame a bit to properly get at the motor connections and also the headset routing is horrific.
Agreed - the stock protection is totally inadequate! You could probably add something to this area, like a cutting from an old tyre, but really it should have a proper skid plate given how low the frame hangs. [Wil]
Hide the shock. Cables through headset bearings. I'm guessing that Scotts designers have every single light switch in their house "cleanly" hidden in the foyer coat closet.... Super clean and oh-so-convenient.
After about 3 years the last Keurig stopped working ruclips.net/user/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf initially was able to unblock, however eventually we couldn't fix. That one was a replacement unit sent by the manufacturer after we had problems with our very first Keurig. This works fine (lol, at least for now) however I didn't realize the water reservoir was so much smaller than our prior unit. With 2 people having one or two cups of coffee each morning, it seems like I'm refilling it daily. Otherwise just happy to have the convenience of pod coffee vs. making a morning pot.
It does seem like a strange addition for an e-MTB right? I can't say I've ever found myself wishing for a remote lockout on any of the other e-MTBs we've tested! Despite my initial skepticism, I will say after using the middle Traction Control mode, it does offer a significant performance boost for tackling really rough, technical and steep climbs. The added ground clearance is very useful in those situations. I don't think the fork should be linked up to the TwinLoc remote though. It offers little improvement in terms of climbing performance, and I also never used the full lockout mode, even when riding on the road. I'd much rather the remote only controlled the shock, and that way Scott could spec the proper GRIP2 fork damper, which would offer much better performance over the FIT4 damper. [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeRUclips I might point out, it's more efficient when riding XC trails. I ride trails most days that doesn't need more than 120mm of travel. However there's some sections that need the additional travel. Yet when I head out to more rowdier trails, I have all that travel to play with. You don't know what you're missing out on until you have it.
WAAAAYYYY, WAAAYYYYYYYY too much money for what you get. This is a boutique bike. That one piece handlebar and top tube is a joke and complete waste of time. This bike is about $11k USD. For this money all you are really getting is a well hidden emtb. The suspension lockout is not needed. And a MANUALLY operated cable suspension adjuster? What is this...2002?? Cool looking bike, but, nothing special.
Scott is the best trade mark on bikes ever
Great review as always! 🎉 Man these bikes are priced like a top of the range VCR in 1991 😢
Great review! My Patron 920 just arrived a few days ago and so far I'm absolutely loving it. I did immediately swap the Dissectors for Assegai's. At $6,499 USD I think the Patron is a pretty good value.
You changed the back tire less than 2.6?
@@israelleal3008 I went 2.5's front and rear. I like the look of the 2.6 (especially with the Patron's chunky frame) but they've performed well
If you could choose between a Scott strike 910 and a cube stereo hybrid 160 hpc actionteam 750, which would you recommend? Rather for XC and lighter trails. Thank you
Hi ! I have some questions about the scott patreon eride 900 series and I was wondering where the key difrence is ? (Between the tuned ,normal ultimate)
I do love Scott bikes, especially the Genius range, but I am unsure about this one. I am in the market for an ebike and I am considering the Orbea Rise, as I want something that feels more analogue, but I do need electric assist as I am post surgery! My ideal would be a Twinloc system on the Orbea, but that is just not possible - Twinloc is one of the best selling features on the Scott bikes IMHO
The Orbea Rise is a great e-MTB for sure! If you've not seen it, this is our review if you fancy checking it out: ruclips.net/video/3CAsrkvlQu8/видео.html
Scott is yet to enter the lightweight e-MTB game, but given the Swiss brand has put a focus on producing svelte carbon frames across the Spark, Genius and Ransom models, it's surely only a matter of time before it jumps in.
[Wil]
5 months later: Scott Lumen is what you are looking for... absolut beast of a bike. Just a bit our of my price range... so still looking into the Parton
Please hurry up with the cube test
It's coming! Got a couple of range tests to finish off first, and then we'll have a review coming to the Flow MTB website soon 👍 [Wil]
Great review Wil. Wondering how this compares to the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 HPC Actionteam that you've got on test? Obvious difference is wheel size 29" vs 27.5", cost (the Cube is $5K AUD cheaper), twinloc, but they both have a Bosch motor, FIT4 dampers in the forks and weigh about the same despite alloy rear triangle for the cube and relatively conservative geo- but I suspect I might have to wait until the Cube review drops for my answer :)?
Cheers Sandy!
It's a good question you pose, because the Cube offers some similarities as well as some key differences. Jumping between the two presented a stark difference in handling, primarily due to the Cube using 27.5in wheels and much shorter chainstays. It is way more nimble as a result, and is very easy to place on the trail. Loves jumping and carving corners, though the steering is a bit twitchier than the Patron.
The suspension is also much plusher on the Cube. It's got great traction and it passes on less feedback through the pedals. Very impressed by how smooth it is.
There are some annoying downsides that I'm currently trying to iron out before we wrap up testing, though all going to plan, the review should be hitting flowmountainbike.com in the coming week. Stay tuned!
[Wil]
New intro gives me memories of watching Behind The News in primary school in the 80's 😄
Now there's a blast from the past!
@@FlowMountainBikeRUclips I was thinking we were about the same age.. lol
i think it needs a few more cable levers, doesn't look like there is enough on there at the moment
My left thumb has never looked so buff 😂
It does require command over the left thumb - not only physical, but mental :)
My Bosch motor has broken bolts in it. Came off my Genius 920.
Can someone tell me if you can fit a fox float in the rear suspension? I guess you wont be able to with the given space in the frame and also the slide cover would not be bale to be put back on
Just fit a one up 180mm dropper, it fits perfeckt for a size medium i have done it on my own patron👍
Would love to see you guys do an in-depth review on the Intense Tazer.
We did ride one back in 2018 when they were first launched, but I don't believe the frame has changed since then? From what I understand the Tazer now comes with a Shimano EP8 motor but it still has a 504Wh battery, which these days is on the small side. I suspect Intense is probably working on a new version, but I guess we'll have to wait and see! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeRUclips thank you sir. Ive been a big intense fan for a long while now. Just haven’t had the opportunity to put any miles on a Tazer. I trust you guys and your reviews so naturally I started research here. Cheers to you guys and keep up the amazing work 🤘
If you leave the rear shock cover off would you be able to fit a coil in there?
I reckon you probably could Neil! Our test bike has already gone back to Scott so unfortunately I can't check for you. Piggyback or not, it would be interesting to see Scott offer a specific model with a more aggro spec for the Patron. A meatier front tyre and a GRIP2 damper would make a huge difference to its descending abilities. [Wil]
Do I see actionteam in the back?😍
wish theid send you the entry level model. If you like that, then the top of the range is garanteed success...
How much
review an avanti hammer s there is no reviews on the internet on it please please please do a review and test :)
its at bicycle superstore mlbourne
That cockpit and underneath the BB is a nightmare. Also one over the bars that cockpit will be demolished 😂
The screen and controller are very prominent on top of the bars - I had to remove a wheel out on the trail the other day, and I remembered just at the last moment not to flip the bike upside down - that would have been a bad mistake!
I spoke with Bosch the other day, and apparently if you do break off the Kiox display in a crash, the motor system is still operable as it's only a screen. This differs to the previous generation Bosch system, where the display housed the brains of the system.
In fact, you can actually remove the new Kiox display entirely and just use the LED controller if you wanted to tidy up the cockpit. The plastic controller is still quite vulnerable though, especially compared to the more low-profile options from Shimano, Specialized/Brose, Trek/TQ, and Giant/Yamaha.
[Wil]
I can confirm that is the case, and they are expensive to replace.
Not a fan of the position of the motor, have to lift out of the frame a bit to properly get at the motor connections and also the headset routing is horrific.
That carbon bottom needs a good bash guard
Agreed - the stock protection is totally inadequate! You could probably add something to this area, like a cutting from an old tyre, but really it should have a proper skid plate given how low the frame hangs. [Wil]
Hi there, are there any experiences to protect this part in a good way? thank you
@@dunklematerie7550 The 2023 models have protection on this area that can be added to the 2022. I ordered and installed on my 2022 Patron 900 Tuned.
Top video for top bike👌
OMG that cockpit is busy AF.
so many levers!
Hide the shock. Cables through headset bearings. I'm guessing that Scotts designers have every single light switch in their house "cleanly" hidden in the foyer coat closet.... Super clean and oh-so-convenient.
After about 3 years the last Keurig stopped working ruclips.net/user/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf initially was able to unblock, however eventually we couldn't fix. That one was a replacement unit sent by the manufacturer after we had problems with our very first Keurig. This works fine (lol, at least for now) however I didn't realize the water reservoir was so much smaller than our prior unit. With 2 people having one or two cups of coffee each morning, it seems like I'm refilling it daily. Otherwise just happy to have the convenience of pod coffee vs. making a morning pot.
I wish they made it without the lockout levers for the shock. Too busy..:
Dissector on the front 🤔 too many cables for me
It's fine for cruisy trail riding, but for rowdier trails this bike is crying out for an Assegai on the front. [Wil]
Lost me at twin-loc. Not your fault but Scotts.
It does seem like a strange addition for an e-MTB right? I can't say I've ever found myself wishing for a remote lockout on any of the other e-MTBs we've tested!
Despite my initial skepticism, I will say after using the middle Traction Control mode, it does offer a significant performance boost for tackling really rough, technical and steep climbs. The added ground clearance is very useful in those situations.
I don't think the fork should be linked up to the TwinLoc remote though. It offers little improvement in terms of climbing performance, and I also never used the full lockout mode, even when riding on the road. I'd much rather the remote only controlled the shock, and that way Scott could spec the proper GRIP2 fork damper, which would offer much better performance over the FIT4 damper.
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeRUclips I might point out, it's more efficient when riding XC trails. I ride trails most days that doesn't need more than 120mm of travel. However there's some sections that need the additional travel. Yet when I head out to more rowdier trails, I have all that travel to play with. You don't know what you're missing out on until you have it.
Scott have totally lost the plot when it comes to spec. A top of the line bike at this price, without axs and/or xtr is a piss take!
For this price this bike needs to be absolutely perfect and well thought out. It has way too many problems to justify that price. No thanks.
Pass
WAAAAYYYY, WAAAYYYYYYYY too much money for what you get. This is a boutique bike. That one piece handlebar and top tube is a joke and complete waste of time. This bike is about $11k USD. For this money all you are really getting is a well hidden emtb. The suspension lockout is not needed. And a MANUALLY operated cable suspension adjuster? What is this...2002?? Cool looking bike, but, nothing special.
Why are almost all ebikes either white, black or some other dull bank middle management unimaginative suit colour. So lame
The 920 does come in orange 😄
I have the same complaint. I’m not Batman so I don’t want an all black bike and sage or avocado are colors only a millennial could like 😜
Better buy a motorcycle
Dude, you gotta be a little dense to be calling it what you’re calling it. Seriously.
Looks Horrid...!!
🤮🤮