Ryan please can you change the ''what'' that you put in your videos by the ''what'' of hank pym in [ant and the wasp] when he discovers that scott didn't destroy the suit pleasssssse
the TVA do mention that they've captured titans too, so MAYBE it was a variant of thanos? Also, him seeing infinity stones used as paperweights would really make him question his existence lol
What If Episode Confirmed... “What if Drax is present in every MCU film but he is just so incredibly still in eating his snax that he is invisible to The Watcher”
@@whatbreaksthesilence8508 I think he's already in every MCU film. I wouldn't be surprised that he isn't in every DC film too. *stealth crossover or magic snacks*
Another option is that Strange was able to see actually see these branching timelines, ones where the TVA would step in and erase, so the 1 time where they win wasn't just saying that's how they beat Thanos, it was saying that's how they beat Thanos while also remaining on the Sacred Timeline, without alerting the TVA to erase them.
adding on to that, since we dont know the exact when of the Loki storyline, it is possible that Strange also foresaw the destruction of the TVA and the branching of timelines, then the TVA wouldnt have been around to erase them in time
@@oxideaitunim could possible have been that the TVA was already destroyed, buy the time the avengers whent for the stones, and that for none realy changed them, now have to rember that when loki met the TVA it was way before the infinity war happend, so they did create a new branch.
That would probably also explain why strange only looked at 15million timelines. The other option being that he just kindof stopped at the first positive outcome and started making ominous statements to make himself sound more important.
The TVA is located in a realm outside of the sacred timeline, in which the infinity stones need to be in to function. Since they’re outside, that’s why they don’t work. It’s like trying to use your wireless controller to your console at the store 50 miles away from your house. Nothing is actually wrong with the stones. If Loki took those stones, escaped, and returned to his dimension, they’d work once more and he could plug them into a gauntlet and rule everything. Hence why the avengers were able to snatch stones and use them elsewhere.
I was just about to write the same exact response, TVA exists outside of space and time, so logically that which is connected to either space (infinity stones/magic/etc.) or time is inert.
@@noahgraeme In the Death Battle episode Thanos Vs Darkside, they touch on this from the lore. Every single set of Infinity stones rely on their universe for power, more accurately here is their own specific timeline or time steam, and being removed from such renders them inert. They aren't junk per-se, just that those stones are dormant due to no longer having a time line/stream to govern.
Thant’s not true. The avengers took infinity stones from different timelines (universes) and used them in their own sacred timeline. The stones in the TVA are probably the ones who went through another path and created branch timelines, which the TVA closed. And therefore those stones are useless
@@emiliorodriguez8104 I would argue that as the stones were not taken from different timelines, they were taken from the past. When they were returned to the exact moment they were taken, time continues normally, without creating a divergence from the "sacred timeline"
When Loki is brought into TVA it's actually pretty well visible that the Tesseract just gets dimmer. Like it "dies" the moment it got brought into TVA.
It's obvious from that is there is some sort of nullification effect, which even affects Loki's magic. Maybe the TVA's "mini-universe" was created by the Time Keepers, with their own rules in effect, which blocks whatever powers Infinity Stones *and* (Loki's) magic?
Different dimensions would have its own set of rules like the marvel zombies universe loosely mentioned as one of the Easter eggs elevator button. Which also means we would possibly see Bruce Campbell as Ash Williams too
@@dj1NM3 I think that infinity stones dont work there because each of them cobtrols 1 acpect of OUR universe. Together they control all aspects of OUR universe so you can do anythibg you want with them but in OUR universe. TVA isnt in our universe, thats why stones doesnt work there
They're not useless, they're still as valuable and powerful as they were, its just that they can't be used within the tva as it doesn't exist within time and space. It is positioned outside time and space meaning that the stones can't connect to the cosmic energy that powers them.
@@naufalaliyusra1098 no coz time works differently there sure, but time is still a thing in the quantum realm where the tva exists out of time and space.
Asssume that a time line is a cable, one huge cable and as you open it you’d see thousands of smaller cable bundles that make up the larger cable. All cables work within the huge cable, millions of possibilities in how they work with and mostly unaware of the other the packages until disrupted. There are thousands of allowed disruptions but some that threaten the larger whole cable.
I'm afraid that doesn't work in a fixed timeline as Mobius described the Sacred Timeline. In a fixed timeline, everything has already happened and cannot be changed.
I think the answer is a lot simpler than we are making it out to be. Mobius isn't saying that there is only one possible outcome, he is saying that the Timekeepers work to preserve a specific outcome because it is in their best interest. Strange is not privy to the designs of the Timekeepers, he does not know which outcome is favored by them, and there are many of them. The very fact that the Timekeepers have to interfere with Variants demonstrates that there are many different timelines, but only one that the Timekeepers seek to preserve.
I have come to the conclusion that the Timekeepers come from the future. The timeline they are preserving is their own past. If they fail, the Timekeepers will become Time-Tweesters and the multiverse will be at war. Enter Kang into the equation and you get a full picture of the MCU future.
It's simpler than that. Their is only one timeline and and every other subset timeline is nothing more than that same timeline but with different choices to observed. So in timeline 1 you become the president. In timeline 2 you decide to join a gang instead of going to college so you become a degenerate. In timeline 3 you were never born and so on. Each branch from the original timeline is still the original timeline with just a little twist. The only part that's incomprehensible is how do you defy the order in which events are suppose to happen without having an overview of events to come or in other words cause a nexus event of your own will within an already set timeline.
Yes, there ARE a lot of possible futures, but the Time Keepers just allows one, that's why Loki was captured, he was one of this possible futures, and so Doctor Strange saw a lot of this possible futures too, but SEEING is not the problem, the problem is DOING what is outside of what the Time Keepers want to happen.
What confuses me is how Ultron uses the infinity stones outside of reality itself, where the watcher watches the multiverse. it's very confusing now. Almost seems to contradict itself.
i think the tva is in quantum realm, a place where normal physics dont work as they would normally. hence why the infinity stones are irrelevant and they can time travel n stuff. but dont take my word too seriously, this is coming from a casual marvel fan 😂
Just think about it as power of the infinity Stones comes from the universe or timeline they came from, so the power was from that universe, even when ultron killed the life on it, the infinity Stones are still working becuase the power comes from that universe or timeline unless its pruned
That’s not the logic. The stones don’t work ONLY in the TVA. In the comics the stones themselves could only be used in their home universe. But in the MCU it seems they can use them in any universe EXCEPT the TVA (which is possible in the Quantum Realm so they won’t work in the Quantum Realm.)
My interpretation of why Strange saw millions of possible futures is because the sacred timeline isn't anything special by nature, but its the way things are "supposed to happen" because that's the timeline that the Time Keepers and TVA chose to enforce. Events that aren't in line with the sacred timeline, like 2012 Loki's escape, are absolutely possibilities, it's just that the TVA destroys those possible timelines when they come to exist. Strange would still be able to see them happen and possibly even the TVA pruning them.
Yeah the Dr Strange thing is a non issue. Being able to see many possibilities, doesn't mean they will happen. In fact the one that was supposed to happen did happen. Strange was shown the one way that would work.
@@dannyk2014 I'm just thinking, maybe that's why he chose this round about way of beating thanos and that he said there is only one possibility. Because, in every other possibilities, the TVA steps in and delete everything, making their victory meaningless.
A possible future isn't an alternate timeline, it is only a possible future within the sacred timeline. Since none of these possible alternate futures came into existence, they aren't a problem.
@@anhduc0913 hmmmm, and also the Living Tribunal probably making an exception for Strange to look at each outcome? Probably because the TVA and Tribunal notice humanity making good long term changes for the Sacred Timeline to keep moving forward. But that begs the question, is the TVA determining what KIND of timeline it would be? Noble, evil, or just keep time moving regardless of what kind of power exists?
Dr. Strange used the Time Stone to move himself through time, physically. He did it to save the Hong Kong Sanctum. He did it when he came back from bargaining with Dormammu. He was behind Kaecilius immediately after he left to bargain with Dormammu. His rapidly shifting position in Infinity War is his coming back to his location, resetting and going into the future again. So, the Time Stone allows the bearer to move through time, physically, not just their mind.
4:30 As Thanos put it, the Infinity Stones were reduced to atoms, meaning that they simply cannot be used anymore rather than being completely wiped from existence.
I thought that it meant that he shrunk them down to the size of an atom, kinda like how Pym particles do, and finding objects the size of atoms even if you round it up to a single square foot of space could take millions of years
@@Rwdphotos that only seems to work when the stones are actively being used, they were not able to track thanos in the beginning of endgame until the moment he used the stones after all
My theory is that the "sacred timeline" is just the timeline that doesn't cause the multi-versal war. The TVA is created by the one who remains to keep the timeline he wants.
X-Men Universe isnt a timeline... its kinda open-ended if the concept exist in that universe. Like, blaming a set of parents on a particular side of a street for the terrible kid who lives around the corner.
0:40 A sock full of all the the infinity stones, like the wabbajack from Skyrim. As the rocks clinks together, it causes a different effect to everything you hit with it. The infinity sock.
the Tesseract Sound is also tied to Loki's Perspective of them, they lose their shine and sound because well Loki realizes that his most coveted possession is actually just useless and he's faced by a power that's greater, than that
The Dr. Strange thing, I just figured that the Time stone allowed him to see 14 million possible branches. He just doesn't know there is a "sacred timeline", so as far as he knows, each one could be the future that's going to happen, he doesn't know that one of them is the pre-determined one.
@@kevinmachado524 Yeah, that's probably what's going on behind the curtain, but from Strange's point of view, he can't tell that there is an organization devoted to making one outcome happen. He sees there is only one outcome that fits what he wants to see happen, and he tries to favor that one by making a deal with Thanos that Tony won't get dusted, but other than that, as far as we know, he doesn't know the TVA exists, and therefore doesn't know that one outcome is already determined to happen over all 14 million others.
It's not even a predetermined one without the TVA interfering, the stone could simply be seeing the natural timelines regardless of which ones are artificially prevented by the TVA. The stone might be able to see that too, it could just be Strange's ignorance that prevented him from knowing how to look for it.
youre right, they arent usless as they are being used as paperweights. but in all seriousness, they are technically useless because they dont work outside of their own universe
I'd say dr.Strange seeing many possible futures was written into the timeline, inevitable. They always were going to be that 1 in 14 million. But that doesn't disable causality. Seeing the future lead to only 1 outcome being chosen, there mere fact of seeing the future locks you in one single future, which is consistent. In other words, at that point in time these futures could have happened but never would have happened.
you can argue that fate exist based on the fact that physic is completely deterministic but if the universe is already decided and any decision made is the result of a non random process, then even the multiverse itself is deterministic and has only one reality.
Ok so about this main timeline where they beat Thanos 1:14 000 000 chance , how does it connect to the other universe where they fucked him up at the start ? Cuz sure doesnt look like the same fight. MCU should just stay clear of timelines and keep its focus on multi verse so the two dont fuck up with each other. Or there is a MAIN timeline for every aspect of the multiverse. IF so then fine.
when you see the sacred timeline in the series it shows multiple strands going together. My theory is that each strand is a diferente timeline but as long as one doesn’t diverge too far off the course of the sacred timeline it’s perfectly fine and nothing has to be done.
At 4:09 you can see the timekeepers reaching up to create the sacred timeline, but you will also notice that it is surrounded by six beams of light that correspond with the colors of the infinity stones. These beams then surround the timeline and almost seem to keep it along the correct path, which pretty much confirms what is said right afterwards.
If removing the stone from its original timeline prevents it from functioning then non of the stones they took from the past would have functioned. The only explanation is that the stones must be in the same universe they came from to function but can still function in different timelines.
I got a question. How are there such drastic variations of Loki if these guys manage to cut off new variants just minutes before they create a new timeline. It looks like a lot of these timelines are getting much further than the reset level thing.
By the lore, TVA is located in Null-space zone, which is outside of time, space, and reality, so the stones have no power there, because there's no proper flow of time they can provide, or reality they can change. But when the stones migrate from one timeline to another, they are perfectly capable of warping reality in there, as we've seen. So stones do retain their power outside of their native sub-verse and also side-by-side with their native counterparts (since Thanos did not cause the stones to entirely disappear, so the essence of the native infinity stones remained and provided proper flow of time, but the imported stones still were able to do everything the native stones can do). So... maybe the "sacred" timeline is sacred because of the events that transpired in it. That Thanos had to go through his journey of acquiring the stones, become ready to give up their power, and vaporize them, and therefore the stones native to this timeline are no longer able to be removed from it, so the proper flow of time cannot be disturbed, no matter what you do, you can't remove any of the stones from it anymore.
OP doesn’t really seem to take the comics into account when he makes these videos. Personally the more he talks the more I appreciate Rob over at Comics/Geek Culture Explained.
"or reality they can change" Yea.... that's a bunch of BS right there. They exist, they have forms, their place clearly has rules it abides by thus it has reality. Likewise they are clearly sentient and have minds. The real reason the stones don't work there is because the stones hold power over the universe they are linked with and no other.
@@TheZombiesAreComing yeah I’m pretty sure they straight up said that in DC vs Marvel. When darkseid had the infinity gauntlet in the DC universe it didn’t work
I haven't seen Loki yet (I will eventually) but I came up with the theory (probably different than the comics) that the Infinity Stones were made by Kaang the Conquerer (Immortus) to isolate the Sacred Timeline. :) And the reason it is the 'sacred timeline' is because it is the variant that allows that version of Kaang to become Immortus who ends the multi-verse war. Mostly, I just love the idea that, aside from traveling through time and space, a version of Kaang (Immortus) creates these formerly thought of as 'all powerful' Infinity Stones.. merely as a tool to protect his own history. That he himself (Immortus) is so powerful, that he can just, create Infinity Stones at the dawn of time and use them to control all of time and space from his realm of Limbo, outside of time and space... that'd make him seem way more powerful than someone who's simply been around forever and knows a bunch of stuff.
That's still canon. They don't work in the TVA because it's outside time and space. People who don't read the comics don't get how that works and the MCU won't make it clear that's the reason, and that the Infinity Stones don't work in any alternative universe. People who only watch the movies and shows just see the stones and immediately think they are not only on, but are all powerful. The normies have no idea what's going on. People also don't seem to get that the Avengers got a free pass because them bringing back people who would eventually go on to work for the TVA was needed to not create a paradox, and that if Thanos had got the Stones and destroyed the universe, it would result in the TVA of the MCU never being in existence. It's alot like Interstellar. The TVA saved themselves in the past by allowing the Avengers to fix the universe.
@@SEliteGuitarist99 I didn't know that, and thanks for letting me know because I thought the Infinity Stones had this all Powerful meaning to each of them. Also never knew about the TVA and why they view the stones useless there..
@@t1t1t62 No. The TVA is in it's own dimension. We've only ever seen the stones used in their own universe not "everywhere." Even the time stone used in Dormamus "dimension" doesn't mean it was a different universe and so doesn't violate that rule.
@@tony3176 Well, technically a smart enough wielder is supposed to be able to compensate for being in a different universe but that only applies to those able to wield the whole set and it still takes time.
Doctor Strange was able to use the time stone in Dormamu's dimension, a place outside normal space-time, where time does not even exist. So there should still be ways to use the stones.
Dormammu's dimension was connected to the stone's original dimension at that time, that's why it was still working Dormammu's chaos dimension doesn't even have the concept of time, when Steange got in with the time stone, he basically imported (temporanely(?)) it inside
My hypothesis is that the stones literally are what they're named after. So the time stone is literally time AKA the 4th dimension of measurement (this will be relevant later). If you bring it to a place where time doesn't exist then you have brought time itself there. They don't need to exist as stones though, they just do so the characters can use them. So Thanos destroying them only removes the ability for them to be used. For the TVA though, in order for them to do what they do they must be operating outside of what we call "time" yet still have their own version of it. So they could be 3rd dimensional beings existing in the 4th dimension instead of just passing through it. This would make their "time" the 5th dimension. Since the concept of time not only still exist for the TVA but is also governed by a higher dimension then the time stone would have no power. Same could be said for the other stones. They all govern existence as we know it on the 3rd dimension traveling through the 4th. If you moved them someplace that exists on a higher dimension then they can no longer function as all the rules would now be different.
Antman Physics: You see, here's the thing. You can make up anything you want, and if you slap the word Quantum on there it automatically becomes a fact
Wanda could also create energy and it wasn't passed down from her body, because if that were the case, she wouldn't survive such massive energy storage or emissions
I'm never a fan of big complex timeline situations like that. Especially when you know they're going to come up with some silly simplified explanation later in the show.
I think the time stone and strange seeing futures is actually better understood a different way: first of all SEEING countless possible futures IS NOT THE SAME as actually how a moment plays out on a path to one of those futures, there is only one possible path, the one that is happening now, this is not mutually exclusive from SEEING possible other paths - this plays into the broader point that within our universe the time stone is all powerful in its ability to manipulate time, the fourth dimension is adaptable to that stone BUT the TVA is OUTSIDE the fourth dimension of any universe and so acts as kind of a fifth dimension, one that sees our dimension (including our time and stones that can fully manipulate it) as flat and finite
I'm GLAD to know there is someone else in the world that hoards useless batteries and stuff just out of guilt with the environment. I feel less lonely now
In a Marvel DC Crossover event, Darkseid gets the infinity stones, but can’t use them. The stones only have power in the universe in which they are created. Take them outside that universe to another and them are just rocks. The TVA is housed in a pocket dimension, outside the MCU. Loki’s tesseract isn’t humming with power, because it’s not in the universe in which it was created. Put it back and it would work again.
That little animated clip of the timekeepers creating the sacred timeline appears to show a number of smaller colored streams wrapping around the central core. those could represent the infinity stones.
The stones only works in a universe without stones , so if loki took a time stone and give it to doctor strange it will probebly work thats explains why dr.strange is wearing the eye maybe loki went back and give him one or he took one from tva . To save the universe from dark creatures .
If Magic doesn't work in the TVA, then how is Loki's still under Odin's power to keep his form as an Asgardian and not have the look of a Frost Giant. Surprisingly enough, they referred to him as Lafison.
I think this was a big Oops by Marvel. It makes no sense. They need to explain this. Loki should appear to look like he's from Jotunheim not Asgard especially if Magic doesn't work there. Is Odin more powerful than we think?
@@Chiefs816 if definitely needs explaining. Magic has been pretty ill defined in the movies up to this point. They could just say that "active" use of magic isn't possible. But something like Loki's appearance is being powered by "stored" magical energy like a battery. If the TVA exists in it's own pocket universe, it would make sense that there's no magical energy to draw on. As far as Odin, in the comics he's shows he can create pocket dimensions, break dimensional barriers, and rip holes in the fabric of time, and is willing (though just barely) to take on Galactus (a primordial force of the cosmos) 1 on 1. So yeah, crazy powerful....in the comics at least.
Most likely its because he's been in that form for so long hes comfortable with it. You can how uncomfortable he was when the robot stripped him down lol😅
i think tva can disable harmful magic from preventing varients from escaping and odin apperance change spell is not harmful so they decided to keep it or overtime loki did became asgardian who knows or odin is just that powerful.
If the avengers were supposed to travel back in time and Loki wasnt, then how were they supposed to have the tesseract taken away from them in order for them to go even further back in time in the old S.H.I.E.L.D. facility?
The Tesseract was still in New York for them to try an steal during the heist because Cap went and put back all the stones from when they were taken at the end of endgame.
Because Cap goes back to fix it. But he can’t if Loki takes the tesseract. So Loki created a branched of timeline that can’t be fixed since cap will never go back to replace all the stones. Lol. Timekeepers do not want that timeline to exist.
@@ericlee5934 But if Loki wasn't meant to steal the tesseract, we can assume that the Avengers should've completed their mission there and then. Then wouldn't the TVA have pruned the Endgame timeline since it shouldn't have existed in the first place?
@@herochan good point but not necessarily. Loki’s is a variant although he created a branched timeline. In the timeline he’s in we don’t know yet. But since we don’t see what happens after Loki stole the tesseract we can assume that Thanos was still defeated. Maybe after capturing Loki they put the tesseract back we will never know. Dr. Strange saw 14! Million possibility with only one leading to success. So we can assume that capturing Loki the TVA had to put the tesseract back, because they didn’t prune that branch. IMO 🤷🏽♂️
@@ericlee5934 From what we've seen, the TVA tries not to meddle with the timeline. They only go in to extract the variant and prune the divergent timeline. If they were going to be proactive to put the infinity stones back to the sacred timeline for our characters, they wouldn't have so many in their drawers/to use as paperweight.
You know its pretty awesome ideas and conversations like this are happening based off what we have seen in MCU. This kind of stuff has been happening for decades with comic book creators and fans and I am happy they have captured that, makes all these comic book stories heading to big screens not feel like a cash grab and that they are honoring the source material.
Wanda a.k.a Scarlet Witch can alter reality. She can wipe out time variants from existence using her magical powers alone. Did the Timekeepers create the Scarlet witch as a backup in case the TVA get destroyed?
I don't see how seeing as how all variants are in different timelines and different times... the scarlet witch does not travel through time. But to answer your question, wanda is nothing compared to the Time Keepers. She Is closely monitored by them at all times because she is a nexus being, if she steps out of line and affects the timeline they fix it.
Honestly, I was kind of figuring that they'd use this multiversal war that got off-screened to introduce the titles obtained from 21Fox. I wouldn't mind Cable popping up. I'm pretty sure they've already introduced the Baxter building, and hopefully we'll get an event with Spiderman tying into that. Considering we have two different Loki perhaps stemming from the same moment, I'm thinking the only difference between them is that one of them got to see how everything went down in the future. The reason he didn't get caught was because he didn't get distracted by an audience. I'm excited to see how this turns out because I would like this Loki to replace the one that died and maybe just play it off as one of his tricks because he's already been brought up to speed. Now he can do some heroics and redeem himself, then return.
The comics said the stones only worked in the dimension they came from. I know they change things in movies many times, but many times they don’t & I think this will be the same explanation for them not working in the tva, it’s a different dimension. The tesseract would still work if it were returned to the earth it came from imo.
@@Roderickdl Shouldn’t there be infinity stones for the universe that the TVA exists in? There are different points in SPACE, Different moments in TIME, They believe they have SOULS, There are people with MINDS, anyone inside experiences a REALITY And it has “the greatest POWER in the universe”. Each should require a stone to embody the different aspect of existence within that dimension.
@@lukemighty4063 there is life life the exists between the dimensions but they dont have an equivalent because they don't need it like in the show Loki questions if the TVA is the most power in the multiverse
@@liamloxley1222 The terms timeline and universe are not always interchangeable. If we go by what you say, then the stones would not have worked in Endgame. Because the stones did not get taken in the original timeline. A universe can have multiple timelines. DC calls it Hypertime. Dragon Ball Super has done it. Even Marvel has done it in the comics. The MCU is canon to the multiverse of the comics, as Earth-199999. It is canon that the stones/gems only work in their universe. The tesseract that Loki has would still work, because it is from the same universe as the MCU. The TVA states that the MCU is the single correct timeline. The stones don't work at the TVA, because the TVA is outside of the "multiverse." I put multiverse in quotes because the single correct timeline, bla bla bla, yea... If they weren't outside of the "multiverse." Then every time a deviant timeline was created, so would another TVA. Then copies of agents from multiple TVAs would show up to the same exact location to erase the new timeline. With their own device. Trying to capture the deviant. But, since the TVA is all for the single correct. The new timeline TVA agents would return to the single correct timeline. Infinitely increasing the number of people there. Until it would no longer be physically possible to house anymore.
@@liamloxley1222 I paid attention to exactly what you said. But you are arguing against canon. Using the term universe incorrectly. Because the universe they came from still exists, they will work in it. No matter if they are from a different timeline. Go back and read what I said.
When they reset a timeline on the show, they call it pruning. And that's because Time is like a plant. It's natural for it to sprout new timelines and branch off. Just like it's natural for a tree or a bush to do the same. The Time Keepers have ordained a Sacred Timeline, but that's just like a gardener saying the best way for the bush to be is a perfect sphere. It's really just arbitrary and only "correct" because they say it is and have the power to prune it. So Dr. Strange saw all those possibilities because they have the potential to exist, but he could not see that the TVA would prune those timelines when they begin to sprout.
It's seems like that. With how much power people in MCU have. Like they have time stone and time machine so branching of timeline is always going to happen but TVA's only concerned is not to let any branched timeline grow that can lead to multiverse war. As for DrS I think he saw the possibility and not the future. In MCU witches can see future and can predict it whereas DrS actually fast forwarded through all possibility and found only 1 that assured their win.
I've always been a fan of sci-fi paradoxes. I look forward to knowing how the pocket dimension of where the TVA performs its tasks on regulating time & space was created? I sort of understand why certain infinity stones do not work in that dimension. Or whatever it is - maybe limbo? Overall, it's excellent sci-fi writing. The Loki series makes me think hard. That's why I like it.
Well infinity stones only work on thier universe. You cant take stones from universe a and expect to use them in universe b. You see the moment the stone powers down to as they walk thru the portal
@scoopsmagoo dormmamu was in another DIMENSION in the MCU. Just like every universe has an Asgard, every universe has a Dormmamu and a Dark Dimension. So Strange just went from MCU Earth to the MCU Dark Dimension. That's why it worked
@@timcamp7541 now your pov of Universe depends on your definition of MCU Universe as we can say that the Avengers travelled from their Universe (sacred timeline) to another Universe ( old timelines ) for the money heist and this brings the multiverse concept which was confirmed by miss minutes... So you can't say that "you can't take stones from Universe a and expect them to use in Universe b" as that's what literally happened in endgame lol !
@@timcamp7541 If that was true the time heist in Endgame wouldn’t have worked. They probably power down as they go into the TVA for the same reason Loki does
I have this theory that the reason why there was only one future where the Avengers won is because when Strange observed the other ones, the TVA showed up. There's only one timeline where they didn't. The Sacred Timeline. Also! Thanos snaps his fingers, and then destroys the stones, which means other people can't use the stones to make branched timelines. The TVA might have *wanted* Thanos to use the gauntlet because it meant he would then destroy the physicality of Infinity Stones. One less headache for the TVA
Nope, avengers are bunch of wokes who cant accept the result for what suppose to happen. That was all just it. Them forcing to reverse what happen created a new timeline.. A timeline where kang exist because then idea of time travel exist and were introduced and so who ever kang is, started his journey on finding and continue what tony started. Remember even wakanda doesnt have that technology, even hank pym doesnt dare to touch the secret of the quantum realm.. Nobody thinks it is possible. Until tony did. Which means if they didnt forced the 1on 14 million possibility.. Kang wont even exist.. He probably just a simple guy doing what he does.
Thanos did not destroy the infinity stones, he said "reduced to atoms" he knew the universe needed them but he couldn't destroy them so he made them so small no one would ever find them again.
Overthinking things again. It's literally just a internal dig at the MCU and the infinity stone McGuffins. They're basically saying the infinity saga is over and now there's a new ultimate power.
Yes. But it’s not even a dig. They need to stop the Infinity Stones from being so powerful that they are the go to move for all heroes and all villains. So we have Kang. The time traveler from the *end of time* with infinitely sophisticated technology, who creates a dimension called the null time zone where…. Infinity Stones? Useless. Dr. Strange’s magic? Useless. Technology…hah when you come from the future at the end of time….you have all the technology, technology so powerful that it can eliminate magic. This is what we are seeing. *We already know the stones work in all timelines and universes within the multiverse* - just like magic. But - doesn’t work in the TVA…just like magic doesn’t.
Thanos: I am inevitable! *snap* Loki: Those are stones from a different universe. Thanos: How do you kno- Loki: I switched them when nobody was looking. Thanos: 🤯 *Loki waves at Tony* Loki: We won, how about that drink?
Loki steals tessaract , so the iron man and cap go back again right , so if Loki was a Variant caused this , it makes iron man and cap variants too , if this was predetermined then Loki stealing the tessaract is also predetermined
if everything in the MCU that has happened from Phase 1 to 3, and from Phase 4 onwards are all.. part of the plan.. then if they were to make a mistake or a crappy MCU movie, they would just use that as an excuse and still say "it's all part of the plan". Not sure how to feel about that one
In a way it looks like they kind of already are going to be doing something like that. They haven't come right out and said it, but they have more or less indicated that Agents of Shield and the Netflix shows are non-canon now. In universe they could use the "alternate timeline" excuse. This would allow them to pull what they like from these shows (and remake what they didn't) into the movies and Disney+ shows without having to explain much.
I'm just seeing this before I watch the finale. Season 1 paved the road, and Season 2 delivered. I feel nostalgic seeing this infinity stone breakdown, just wonderful. Now that I'm watching basically every Loki Season 2 breakdown I could watch, just seeing this, makes me see how much the channel has grown. Even if, I wasn't there to witness it along the ride.
It’s possible old man Rogers was in fact in the original timeline. I don’t think going back to be with Peggy would create an alternate timeline because all the infinity stones (of that day and time) were in their proper places and the Ancient One stated that removing infinity stones is what causes branches of new timelines.
@@kevinmachado524 not necessarily. If you change the past then yes. Old man Steve probably didn’t change anything. He was meant to go back to Peggy time and time again. Anyways it’s just a theory using facts provided by the MCU to support it. Especially if the TCA deemed that Steve was supposed to stay in the past
Loki was supposed to pick up the Space stone, in order for him to turn up at the TVA. It seemed like Moebius was expecting Loki, I also got a sense that Moebius is a future version of Loki, and we are witnessing him recruiting himself into the TVA!
It's going to be a long one. I haven't caught up with the comics so I may be wrong, but here is my theory: The time keepers are the ultimate evolution of living beings, being able to calculate the infinite variables that govern chaos and causality. Thus, they can predict all the possible outcomes of a choice, but not bent laws itself. By calculating all variables, they get multiple timelines. But there can only be one timeline. This is to avoid multiverses from forming and engage in a war with each other, like in the past. This is where the TVA comes in, they ensure the proper flow of events as dictated by the Time keepers, they don't ensure the flow of time as dictated by the Time Keepers. If Time Keepers were as powerful as the TVA thinks, then they should be able to stop nexus events from happening in the first place. Anyway, the TVA reset the Nexus that forms from the choices made by people so it follows the so called "proper flow of time". When Agent Mobius says, "...it happens again and again...", it might actually suggest that Time Keepers ensure that the same events occur again and again, including the destruction and birth of the universe. It also suggests that they are also subject to Causality, Death and Entropy, but in a broader sense than the humans and every being they rule. It is also why they are concerned about the other "Loki Variant". Infinity stones are the singularities of massive energies and information that govern their corresponding multiverse. They are mere physical manifestations of the laws that govern everything, including the Time Keepers, they are not the Laws itself. That is also why destruction of the stones don't actually destroy the multiverse. The manifestation is destroyed but the Laws still exist. Same reason why TVA is also subject to time(entropy, death) and they have to solve some problems "Realtime". When a timeline is erased all information is erased along with it, making the information in infinity stones irrelevant and useless. Effectively making them as useful as a paperweight. But what does all this mean? This is where things start to fall together. There was a time when there were no Time Keepers. The multiverses were at war. The laws governing the Timelines were the same as the ones after their birth: entropy, death, causality. When they came to existence they erased all the timelines except one. This is the timeline they "created", the Sacred Timeline. They calculated a sequence of events that will ensure that no multiverse wars occur again, but the events diverge all the time and it is TVA's duty to prune all such timelines. Ensuring that the events flow as dictated by the Time Keepers. But this also means that the Time Keepers cannot allow the birth or the survival of a sentinel being similar to them. Before the birth of a similar species, the universe ends, starting over, all over, again and again. And also killing away any individual who is susceptible to a large degree of variance, like Loki. Time Keepers cap the evolution life can undergo and also kill off individuals that are susceptible to large degrees of variance. They also kill Billions of people every second to "ensure the proper flow of time". My thoughts: the Time Keepers are the next big villan after Thanos, and TVA should be a lot more crowded.
Did you finish Loki Season One? SPOILER ALERT . . . . , , , , , The MCU Timekeepekrs are fake. They are robots created by Kang the Conquerer to deceive the TVA operatives in an effort to prevent the Multiversal War.
It doesn't matter if the TVA exists or not, the Time Stone shows THE POSSIBILITIES. That's how Strange uses the Eye Of Agamotto in Titan. And in my opinion, he not only knew exactly what to say and how to behavior in every single time, he probably used the Eye Of Agamotto to set the timeline in that specific way. The Time Stone taps into two things: probability and entropy. Those two things command the flow of time. When he reverses time for a specific object, person or place, he's reverting the entropy. When he sets future events he's playing with probability. When something happened, entropy was already calculated by "the universe" and all things in the universe have a fixed position in the past. When the Avengers arrived in the past, they changed the entropy of that system that already had everything fixed, causing a change of entropy in the system, causing a branch of time.
Does this mean that Captain America was allowed to stay in the past with Peggy Carter, either in our universe or in another? I mean, if he was indeed Peggy Carter's husband in our universe he definitely did a good job not altering our timeline.
@@tonyheard637 I just rewatched and she does look like Peggy Carter. If she is, Steve would be the unluckiest man on the universe since the TVA took away from him his only (last?) chance to have a happy life with her.
Well now they are telling us there is only one timeline, but wait they already told us there was a Multi Verse. They are telling us there is only one possible future yet Dr. Strange saw millions.
I imagine that Cap was in another timeline in which there were two Captain America’s (though one was under the ice). But presumably that timeline needed to be pruned…
I think that those infinity stones were from different universes and Tva prevents any extra timeline that should not exist of each universe that's present in Marvel's multiverse .That's why in Dr.Strange into the multiverse of madness he travel to different universes and not different timelines of this universe.
In the comics the infinity stones only work in the dimension they came from. There have been numerous stories of how someone stole the stones from anotherbdimension only to get their home dimension and find they don't work.
infinity stones are pillars of the universe they come from, but when outside of that universe, like the TVA, they become inert. also since loki is a god maybe he doesn't have access to cosmic power or it's just magic in general and they already said that there isn't any magic in the TVA
@@djdoc06 They came from alternate timelines. A universe can have multiple timelines. DC calls it Hypertime. Dragon Ball Super has done it. Even Marvel has done it in the comics. The MCU is canonically apart of the comics multiverse, as Earth-199999. The rules of that multiverse state that the stones/gems only work in the universe that they come from. This rule is canon. Thus, the MCU has to abide by these same rules.
Considering the fact there were only two soul stones, three or four space stones (not counting the tesseract), one or two power stones (it is hard to tell which of the stones are space or power since they aren't that bright), six reality stones, six time stones, and zero mind stones in that draw means no variants have ever had mind stones with them, only two had soul stones, either three or four had space stones, one or two had power stones, while atleast six had reality stones along with six having time stones means that variants having either time or reality stones are the most common.
why didn't the tva return the stones to the original timeline they were taken from. even if the new universe is minute man'd, the stones still belong to the original universe
In Endgame, there were 2 nebulas, each with a 9 year difference, which proves you can bring people from the past (their present) to the present (their future). So, now that Iron man is dead, cant they just go back in time, and bring him back, and they can do that because as Bruce (Hulk) said "Changing the past doesn't change the future"
I think a more simplified explanation for why Strange could see so many and deduce that only one outcome would work was him seeing the seemingly infinite possibilities and then see the one timeline that the TVA would allow, the one that was meant to be. Because any other variation on their choices would ultimately fail via reset. Whose to say he couldn't see TVA intervention?
One year before oil discovered by accident? Not likely, an origin for Roxxon more likely. After all Loki at some point is at a Roxxcart store as president.
I thought the infinity stones didn't work because magic was disabled in the TVA, which is why Loki couldn't conjure clothes when he was arrested. It's not that the stones stopped working because their home universe was pruned, but because no magic works inside the TVA.
So happy to be subbed to this channel. He's really insightful and thoughtful with his breakdowns and theories. His breakdown of your mom was my all time favorite.
I think seeing the stone in the drawer wasn't just that the stone are powerless to the TVA. I think everything is powerless to them everyone else beneath them. If it's not in the sacred time line its useless we saw that they didn't treat variants as people with feelings they were treated as nuisance insignificant the stone didn't lose their importance or power to that time line messy ( our time line If you will) its still a huge deal to the people still out there in that the TVA totally disconnected from everything else the desk dude didn't even know what a fish is they are basically a corporate cult.
Yeah I kinda don't like the TVA. They seem very inhumane about their protocols. They have no problem setting bombs down to delete timelines and they give you a trial just to delete you afterwards. I mean what's the point of the trial? Just delete me on spot. Then they treat you like you did it on purpose. Seriously your telling me it was part of the plan for the avengers to go back in time but Loki escaping in his own timeline isn't. Biased much?
The end is kinda cool but the original point is that Loki gets reset and then again and again he takes out the stones and they become useless..... yeah.........
Its only the first episode, but even then its been suggested that the Loki starring in this new show is going to be useful in catching other variants who have found a way to avoid the TVA's reach. Mobius even hopes so, which is why he begged to not let the 2012 Loki get pruned. Besides, TVA is only there to protect the Sacred Timeline from being changed, for possibly selfish reasons The Timekeepers have, not because of nature's will. As Ryan has explained in his other Loki videos.
My theory is that Strange didn't use the time stone to see the future he just used it to allow himself to work out how a future would turn out given certain actions and to do it he sped up his mind which is why we see him moving faster
@@TheHonoredUno I think Loki did not create another timeline but just changed the course of the timeline. Remember endgame? The avengers already created a different timeline when they travelled to new york in 2012. That timeline will have its own course. Meaning even if there are changes in that timeline, it wont matter since it has its own course.
@@TheHonoredUno That does not "remove" it from the timeline, however. Pierre is right, this vid mistakes time and space. It's completely arbitrary to say that the Tesseract was "removed" from the timeline, when of course *everything* was removed. The pizza place down the street exists in the new timeline--was it "removed" from the old one to get there? No. Neither was the Tesseract. The Ancient One's entire speech simply doesn't apply to this show, we're trying to impose that lens on a show that clearly has different rules.
When Loki is taken by the TVA the fact that he himself is gone should also be indicative of a nexus event, not just the tesseract being gone. To 'clip the Branch' of that new multiverse timeline, you would need to return Loki and the tesseract to where they were, when they were. I'm assuming that the devices the TVA put some before they leave timelines do essentially that, in creating the people/infinity stones as necessary, but they cannot destroy the variants which is why they take them back to the TVA HQ
The timestone is stuck in its place and time. That said, like a computer made today, it can use data to predict the future... It doesn't mean it's going to be right. A PC can predict 14m outcomes, it doesn't change the fact that one outcome may be the only actual outcome. It uses data to make assumptions. Half asleep rant: over.
@@richiebee8719 That is simply not possible in a fixed timeline. Strange says he "saw" a million outcomes but only one where they win. Strange was lying. He could have only seen one outcome. I explain why in my vid reply. The question is, why was Strange lying?
@@RickClark58 I know it's not possible, but my logic was he wasn't lying, he just didn't know better. He used incomplete data to make 14 million assumptions and thought 1 outcome was possible, meanwhile the truth was that one outcome was the only outcome possible.
It would be interesting how the TVA would deal with a THANOS variant...... 🤔🤯 Also I 💚 how they are using different people being called VARIANTs like different variant comic book covers. 😎👍
I agree, that would be fun to see, but as we know, Thanos never truly cared about having power over the entire universe, just to rule it. He had an insane idea about overpopulation in the universe and how he could solve it, using the infinity stones. When he was done snapping, he just went home to mind his business. I don't think Thanos ever had it in him to create a variant that would cause the Timekeepers trouble. Even if he did, the TVA would most likely be able to handle him, since he isnt even a magical being.
So if u take an infinity stone from the universe that part of the universe which stone influences ceases to exist or doesn't it? , Loki got away with the tesseract and there is no stone in that universe which is evidently ours so it ceases to exist or does TVA will place the stone back making another timeline where iron man and cap won't go back time and that is the sacred timeline, apparently ironman and cap going back is a variant timeline that Loki created right ,if TVA doesn't get the stone back the current timeline will continue the same as we saw in the movie right or it will lead to cease to exist or the avengers will not find the space stone at all
Read Adam Warlock # 11, the basis for the “see the future -> Pick the future -> create time loop” rules. When Dr. Strange went looking there were still 14,000,605 (plus more) observable futures. Once he picked 1, THAT’s when the loop started (reducing the futures down to 1, where they win, Kang emerges, multiverses war, he who remains, Sylvia kills him, then back to Dr. Strange on Titan -> Repeat.
Do you have any questions?
Do you think we’ll se Loki using his fire powers in the show or will he not unlock them what are your thoughts?
Space stone not the Tesseract returned at the end of Endgame...so does that change anything?
If loki didnt do that cap and tony wouldnt have gone to rather past so why that is not reset
I think Marvel is trying to strip down everything we know about the MCU to build another broader backstory
Ryan please can you change the ''what'' that you put in your videos by the ''what'' of hank pym in [ant and the wasp] when he discovers that scott didn't destroy the suit pleasssssse
Imagine the reaction of Thanos if he saw the stones being used as paperweights.
the TVA do mention that they've captured titans too, so MAYBE it was a variant of thanos?
Also, him seeing infinity stones used as paperweights would really make him question his existence lol
"Impossible"
Reality is often disappointing
@@thomascansino lol
black widow realizing she sacrificed her life for a paperweight-
I felt Drax's presence throughout all Loki episodes, he was so incredibly still.
UNDERRATED
That explains the crunchy eating sounds I thought I heard.
He was in the back of most scenes, just couldn't see him due to his epic stealth skill.
What If Episode Confirmed... “What if Drax is present in every MCU film but he is just so incredibly still in eating his snax that he is invisible to The Watcher”
@@whatbreaksthesilence8508 I think he's already in every MCU film. I wouldn't be surprised that he isn't in every DC film too. *stealth crossover or magic snacks*
Another option is that Strange was able to see actually see these branching timelines, ones where the TVA would step in and erase, so the 1 time where they win wasn't just saying that's how they beat Thanos, it was saying that's how they beat Thanos while also remaining on the Sacred Timeline, without alerting the TVA to erase them.
adding on to that, since we dont know the exact when of the Loki storyline, it is possible that Strange also foresaw the destruction of the TVA and the branching of timelines, then the TVA wouldnt have been around to erase them in time
@@oxideaitunim could possible have been that the TVA was already destroyed, buy the time the avengers whent for the stones, and that for none realy changed them, now have to rember that when loki met the TVA it was way before the infinity war happend, so they did create a new branch.
That would probably also explain why strange only looked at 15million timelines.
The other option being that he just kindof stopped at the first positive outcome and started making ominous statements to make himself sound more important.
@@MaliceThePhantom because that wasn't doctor strange, that was someone pretending to be him
@@maskedredstonerproz
The Demon
I just want to say I’m really glad that Owen Wilson gets to play an Owen Wilson character
Facts
If he doesn't say Wow.. Marvel will have failed though
Lol right
Wow
@@CJ4YRD I waited all episode for it! Marvel keeping us on the edge of our seat for this one
The TVA is located in a realm outside of the sacred timeline, in which the infinity stones need to be in to function. Since they’re outside, that’s why they don’t work. It’s like trying to use your wireless controller to your console at the store 50 miles away from your house. Nothing is actually wrong with the stones. If Loki took those stones, escaped, and returned to his dimension, they’d work once more and he could plug them into a gauntlet and rule everything. Hence why the avengers were able to snatch stones and use them elsewhere.
I was just about to write the same exact response, TVA exists outside of space and time, so logically that which is connected to either space (infinity stones/magic/etc.) or time is inert.
Sounds like bad writing
@@noahgraeme In the Death Battle episode Thanos Vs Darkside, they touch on this from the lore. Every single set of Infinity stones rely on their universe for power, more accurately here is their own specific timeline or time steam, and being removed from such renders them inert. They aren't junk per-se, just that those stones are dormant due to no longer having a time line/stream to govern.
@@raymondsierra209 yours just not as fast
Easy answer.. it's cause the Infinity Saga is done. Onto higher stakes for Marvel / Disney take our money 💰
Kidney stones are the most powerful stones in the multiverse.
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I bet you all my gallstones they arent
I will second this.
Amen brother
I can VOUCH for that
The infinity stones aren’t useless. They just don’t work outside of their own universe.
That was my thoughts
That was seen in the comics when the celestials attacked the council of reeds..
Thant’s not true. The avengers took infinity stones from different timelines (universes) and used them in their own sacred timeline. The stones in the TVA are probably the ones who went through another path and created branch timelines, which the TVA closed. And therefore those stones are useless
Ye
@@emiliorodriguez8104 I would argue that as the stones were not taken from different timelines, they were taken from the past. When they were returned to the exact moment they were taken, time continues normally, without creating a divergence from the "sacred timeline"
When Loki is brought into TVA it's actually pretty well visible that the Tesseract just gets dimmer. Like it "dies" the moment it got brought into TVA.
It's obvious from that is there is some sort of nullification effect, which even affects Loki's magic.
Maybe the TVA's "mini-universe" was created by the Time Keepers, with their own rules in effect, which blocks whatever powers Infinity Stones *and* (Loki's) magic?
Yep
Different dimensions would have its own set of rules like the marvel zombies universe loosely mentioned as one of the Easter eggs elevator button.
Which also means we would possibly see Bruce Campbell as Ash Williams too
@@dj1NM3 I think that infinity stones dont work there because each of them cobtrols 1 acpect of OUR universe. Together they control all aspects of OUR universe so you can do anythibg you want with them but in OUR universe. TVA isnt in our universe, thats why stones doesnt work there
If the tesseract is dead, why is it glowing?
They're not useless, they're still as valuable and powerful as they were, its just that they can't be used within the tva as it doesn't exist within time and space. It is positioned outside time and space meaning that the stones can't connect to the cosmic energy that powers them.
maybe it exists in the quantum realm(?)
@@naufalaliyusra1098 no coz time works differently there sure, but time is still a thing in the quantum realm where the tva exists out of time and space.
@@That_Guy_Olly ok then. . thanks for clarifying, im just a casual fan so pardon my mistake
@@naufalaliyusra1098 no worries at all 😅
I wouldn't be so sure about that statement, have you seen the last episode of the Loki series?
Asssume that a time line is a cable, one huge cable and as you open it you’d see thousands of smaller cable bundles that make up the larger cable. All cables work within the huge cable, millions of possibilities in how they work with and mostly unaware of the other the packages until disrupted. There are thousands of allowed disruptions but some that threaten the larger whole cable.
Damn that's a pretty good analogy.
i just wanted to charge my phone and now i have an endless amount of cables
this explanation gives me Steins;Gate vibes :D
I'm afraid that doesn't work in a fixed timeline as Mobius described the Sacred Timeline. In a fixed timeline, everything has already happened and cannot be changed.
Poor analogy, shows you don't even know about how electricity works
I think the answer is a lot simpler than we are making it out to be. Mobius isn't saying that there is only one possible outcome, he is saying that the Timekeepers work to preserve a specific outcome because it is in their best interest. Strange is not privy to the designs of the Timekeepers, he does not know which outcome is favored by them, and there are many of them. The very fact that the Timekeepers have to interfere with Variants demonstrates that there are many different timelines, but only one that the Timekeepers seek to preserve.
Still confused omg
Makes sense o
I have come to the conclusion that the Timekeepers come from the future. The timeline they are preserving is their own past. If they fail, the Timekeepers will become Time-Tweesters and the multiverse will be at war. Enter Kang into the equation and you get a full picture of the MCU future.
It's simpler than that. Their is only one timeline and and every other subset timeline is nothing more than that same timeline but with different choices to observed. So in timeline 1 you become the president. In timeline 2 you decide to join a gang instead of going to college so you become a degenerate. In timeline 3 you were never born and so on. Each branch from the original timeline is still the original timeline with just a little twist. The only part that's incomprehensible is how do you defy the order in which events are suppose to happen without having an overview of events to come or in other words cause a nexus event of your own will within an already set timeline.
Yes, there ARE a lot of possible futures, but the Time Keepers just allows one, that's why Loki was captured, he was one of this possible futures, and so Doctor Strange saw a lot of this possible futures too, but SEEING is not the problem, the problem is DOING what is outside of what the Time Keepers want to happen.
What confuses me is how Ultron uses the infinity stones outside of reality itself, where the watcher watches the multiverse. it's very confusing now. Almost seems to contradict itself.
To clarify I was referencing what happened in Loki
i think the tva is in quantum realm, a place where normal physics dont work as they would normally. hence why the infinity stones are irrelevant and they can time travel n stuff. but dont take my word too seriously, this is coming from a casual marvel fan 😂
Just think about it as power of the infinity Stones comes from the universe or timeline they came from, so the power was from that universe, even when ultron killed the life on it, the infinity Stones are still working becuase the power comes from that universe or timeline unless its pruned
Ur right jack I had same doubt too and I still can't find answers
That’s not the logic. The stones don’t work ONLY in the TVA. In the comics the stones themselves could only be used in their home universe. But in the MCU it seems they can use them in any universe EXCEPT the TVA (which is possible in the Quantum Realm so they won’t work in the Quantum Realm.)
My interpretation of why Strange saw millions of possible futures is because the sacred timeline isn't anything special by nature, but its the way things are "supposed to happen" because that's the timeline that the Time Keepers and TVA chose to enforce. Events that aren't in line with the sacred timeline, like 2012 Loki's escape, are absolutely possibilities, it's just that the TVA destroys those possible timelines when they come to exist. Strange would still be able to see them happen and possibly even the TVA pruning them.
Yeah the Dr Strange thing is a non issue. Being able to see many possibilities, doesn't mean they will happen. In fact the one that was supposed to happen did happen. Strange was shown the one way that would work.
Makes sense
@@dannyk2014 I'm just thinking, maybe that's why he chose this round about way of beating thanos and that he said there is only one possibility. Because, in every other possibilities, the TVA steps in and delete everything, making their victory meaningless.
A possible future isn't an alternate timeline, it is only a possible future within the sacred timeline. Since none of these possible alternate futures came into existence, they aren't a problem.
@@anhduc0913 hmmmm, and also the Living Tribunal probably making an exception for Strange to look at each outcome? Probably because the TVA and Tribunal notice humanity making good long term changes for the Sacred Timeline to keep moving forward. But that begs the question, is the TVA determining what KIND of timeline it would be? Noble, evil, or just keep time moving regardless of what kind of power exists?
In the immortal words of Taser Face: "It's metaphorical!"
TASER FACE 😂😂😂
Where did he got that name? FROM THE BACK OF A CEREAL BOX?!😂😂😂
@@ShadowHwkX7 BWAHAHAHHAHA TASER FACE
LOLOL
Lame cringe jokes for idiots to laugh at.
imagine seeing someone using the infinity gauntlet as their coffee mug
Im using it as we speak
it would contain thanos' sweat and blood............ now imagine
Maybe not, a timeline where thanaos never got the gauntlet
There’s some actual merchandise that’s an Infinity Gauntlet you can drink out of.
@@rajmallick7370 what
Dr. Strange used the Time Stone to move himself through time, physically. He did it to save the Hong Kong Sanctum. He did it when he came back from bargaining with Dormammu. He was behind Kaecilius immediately after he left to bargain with Dormammu. His rapidly shifting position in Infinity War is his coming back to his location, resetting and going into the future again. So, the Time Stone allows the bearer to move through time, physically, not just their mind.
Just no
It allowed strange to bind himself to a timeline, creating the bargaining loop.
TVA cant capture Dormammu or Dr strange ... supreme socerer n dormammu are way too powerful for TVA to handle..
He didnt move himself. He created a time loop. It is basically like we play a record again and again. Doesnt mean we move the record player.
I don't know why Dr Strange didn't pull the same stunt with Dormammu on Thanos?
4:30 As Thanos put it, the Infinity Stones were reduced to atoms, meaning that they simply cannot be used anymore rather than being completely wiped from existence.
I thought that it meant that he shrunk them down to the size of an atom, kinda like how Pym particles do, and finding objects the size of atoms even if you round it up to a single square foot of space could take millions of years
@@damiansaturday6788 you’d think they’d still be able to lock on to their energy sig tho
@@Rwdphotos that only seems to work when the stones are actively being used, they were not able to track thanos in the beginning of endgame until the moment he used the stones after all
My theory is that the "sacred timeline" is just the timeline that doesn't cause the multi-versal war. The TVA is created by the one who remains to keep the timeline he wants.
That was the plot of the Loki show . Are you actually making this up or trying to look smart to people who didnt watched the Loki show.
I guess the TVA does a really lousy job in the X-Men universe😂
Oy vey! That's a whole different set of migraines!
@@aotulapongen8382 I'd imagine being an organization managing the flow of time as a big headache.
X-Men Universe isnt a timeline... its kinda open-ended if the concept exist in that universe. Like, blaming a set of parents on a particular side of a street for the terrible kid who lives around the corner.
The TVA Motto: If it happened, it was meant to happen... unless we say it wasn't meant to happen... because WE SAY SO!
@@neorenamon a similar line was told to Apocalypse by a certain Pharoah
0:40 A sock full of all the the infinity stones, like the wabbajack from Skyrim. As the rocks clinks together, it causes a different effect to everything you hit with it. The infinity sock.
the Tesseract Sound is also tied to Loki's Perspective of them, they lose their shine and sound because well Loki realizes that his most coveted possession is actually just useless and he's faced by a power that's greater, than that
The Dr. Strange thing, I just figured that the Time stone allowed him to see 14 million possible branches. He just doesn't know there is a "sacred timeline", so as far as he knows, each one could be the future that's going to happen, he doesn't know that one of them is the pre-determined one.
@@kevinmachado524 Yeah, that's probably what's going on behind the curtain, but from Strange's point of view, he can't tell that there is an organization devoted to making one outcome happen. He sees there is only one outcome that fits what he wants to see happen, and he tries to favor that one by making a deal with Thanos that Tony won't get dusted, but other than that, as far as we know, he doesn't know the TVA exists, and therefore doesn't know that one outcome is already determined to happen over all 14 million others.
@@valerian4486 it's kind of bs lol mcu characters have essentially no free will with the TVA.
It's not even a predetermined one without the TVA interfering, the stone could simply be seeing the natural timelines regardless of which ones are artificially prevented by the TVA. The stone might be able to see that too, it could just be Strange's ignorance that prevented him from knowing how to look for it.
@@Hitzel orrrr Dr strange just saw that he would just get instantly pruned if he mentioned the TVA to anyone :D
@@kevinmachado524 hah, that's definitely a possibility lol
They're Not "Useless" They're just Nerfed in the TVA.
youre right, they arent usless as they are being used as paperweights. but in all seriousness, they are technically useless because they dont work outside of their own universe
@@VulcanRenZ that doesn’t mean they’re useless in general just in the tva like magic ect
@@acmacm2801 no they dont work at all since theyre not in their correct universe
Yeah, nerfed by 100%
lol “nerfed” if you dont know what you are talking about dont do it
I'd say dr.Strange seeing many possible futures was written into the timeline, inevitable. They always were going to be that 1 in 14 million. But that doesn't disable causality. Seeing the future lead to only 1 outcome being chosen, there mere fact of seeing the future locks you in one single future, which is consistent.
In other words, at that point in time these futures could have happened but never would have happened.
you can argue that fate exist based on the fact that physic is completely deterministic
but if the universe is already decided and any decision made is the result of a non random process, then even the multiverse itself is deterministic and has only one reality.
@@raphaelnej8387 as far as we know at the cutting edge of science, physics isn't deterministic. look up quantum uncertainty.
Ok so about this main timeline where they beat Thanos 1:14 000 000 chance , how does it connect to the other universe where they fucked him up at the start ? Cuz sure doesnt look like the same fight. MCU should just stay clear of timelines and keep its focus on multi verse so the two dont fuck up with each other. Or there is a MAIN timeline for every aspect of the multiverse. IF so then fine.
Don’t let this video distract you from the fact we still don’t know “why is Gamora?
Edit: Wow, more likes than the pinned comment, thanks guys!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good one
What is Gamora ?
When is Gamora?
@@lostcause7489 LMAO
Who is Gamora?
when you see the sacred timeline in the series it shows multiple strands going together. My theory is that each strand is a diferente timeline but as long as one doesn’t diverge too far off the course of the sacred timeline it’s perfectly fine and nothing has to be done.
At 4:09 you can see the timekeepers reaching up to create the sacred timeline, but you will also notice that it is surrounded by six beams of light that correspond with the colors of the infinity stones. These beams then surround the timeline and almost seem to keep it along the correct path, which pretty much confirms what is said right afterwards.
Noticed that too, thought it was me hallucinating...
"Batteries" - that was brilliantly done. Thanks for the morning laugh.
I like how the 6 timelines they merged into the “sacred timeline” appear to be the same colors as the infinity stones.
I was wondering that, but didnt bother going back to slow it down or pause it lol
What a coincidence!
I noticed that too!
Maybe the stones were once sentient beings who controlled those timelines
Pretty colours for an idiot to dribble over.
If removing the stone from its original timeline prevents it from functioning then non of the stones they took from the past would have functioned. The only explanation is that the stones must be in the same universe they came from to function but can still function in different timelines.
All because Hulk takes the stairs! "I hate stairs!!!!"
Hulk doesn't take stairs ! Hulk smash and jump from 10 storey building
Hahahahahaha
Puny God
@@finnypaul7748 rip ground tho. 🤣
Ryan "It all makes sense"
MCU "Hold My Beer"
I got a question. How are there such drastic variations of Loki if these guys manage to cut off new variants just minutes before they create a new timeline. It looks like a lot of these timelines are getting much further than the reset level thing.
By the lore, TVA is located in Null-space zone, which is outside of time, space, and reality, so the stones have no power there, because there's no proper flow of time they can provide, or reality they can change. But when the stones migrate from one timeline to another, they are perfectly capable of warping reality in there, as we've seen. So stones do retain their power outside of their native sub-verse and also side-by-side with their native counterparts (since Thanos did not cause the stones to entirely disappear, so the essence of the native infinity stones remained and provided proper flow of time, but the imported stones still were able to do everything the native stones can do).
So... maybe the "sacred" timeline is sacred because of the events that transpired in it. That Thanos had to go through his journey of acquiring the stones, become ready to give up their power, and vaporize them, and therefore the stones native to this timeline are no longer able to be removed from it, so the proper flow of time cannot be disturbed, no matter what you do, you can't remove any of the stones from it anymore.
OP doesn’t really seem to take the comics into account when he makes these videos. Personally the more he talks the more I appreciate Rob over at Comics/Geek Culture Explained.
"or reality they can change"
Yea.... that's a bunch of BS right there. They exist, they have forms, their place clearly has rules it abides by thus it has reality. Likewise they are clearly sentient and have minds.
The real reason the stones don't work there is because the stones hold power over the universe they are linked with and no other.
@@TheZombiesAreComing yeah I’m pretty sure they straight up said that in DC vs Marvel. When darkseid had the infinity gauntlet in the DC universe it didn’t work
I love Owen Wilson and Loki's interaction with each other. It's just like they've known each other forever
I haven't seen Loki yet (I will eventually) but I came up with the theory (probably different than the comics) that the Infinity Stones were made by Kaang the Conquerer (Immortus) to isolate the Sacred Timeline. :) And the reason it is the 'sacred timeline' is because it is the variant that allows that version of Kaang to become Immortus who ends the multi-verse war. Mostly, I just love the idea that, aside from traveling through time and space, a version of Kaang (Immortus) creates these formerly thought of as 'all powerful' Infinity Stones.. merely as a tool to protect his own history. That he himself (Immortus) is so powerful, that he can just, create Infinity Stones at the dawn of time and use them to control all of time and space from his realm of Limbo, outside of time and space... that'd make him seem way more powerful than someone who's simply been around forever and knows a bunch of stuff.
"I hope that answers all of your questions." Nope, raises more.
I'm a simple man, I just watch shows and dont over question everything.😂
In the comics the stones didn't work in different multiverses.
now they work everywhere expect this one building, how convenient!
That's still canon. They don't work in the TVA because it's outside time and space. People who don't read the comics don't get how that works and the MCU won't make it clear that's the reason, and that the Infinity Stones don't work in any alternative universe. People who only watch the movies and shows just see the stones and immediately think they are not only on, but are all powerful. The normies have no idea what's going on. People also don't seem to get that the Avengers got a free pass because them bringing back people who would eventually go on to work for the TVA was needed to not create a paradox, and that if Thanos had got the Stones and destroyed the universe, it would result in the TVA of the MCU never being in existence. It's alot like Interstellar. The TVA saved themselves in the past by allowing the Avengers to fix the universe.
@@SEliteGuitarist99 I didn't know that, and thanks for letting me know because I thought the Infinity Stones had this all Powerful meaning to each of them. Also never knew about the TVA and why they view the stones useless there..
@@t1t1t62 No. The TVA is in it's own dimension. We've only ever seen the stones used in their own universe not "everywhere." Even the time stone used in Dormamus "dimension" doesn't mean it was a different universe and so doesn't violate that rule.
@@tony3176 Well, technically a smart enough wielder is supposed to be able to compensate for being in a different universe but that only applies to those able to wield the whole set and it still takes time.
Doctor Strange was able to use the time stone in Dormamu's dimension, a place outside normal space-time, where time does not even exist. So there should still be ways to use the stones.
Good point!
Dormammu's dimension was connected to the stone's original dimension at that time, that's why it was still working
Dormammu's chaos dimension doesn't even have the concept of time, when Steange got in with the time stone, he basically imported (temporanely(?)) it inside
My hypothesis is that the stones literally are what they're named after. So the time stone is literally time AKA the 4th dimension of measurement (this will be relevant later). If you bring it to a place where time doesn't exist then you have brought time itself there. They don't need to exist as stones though, they just do so the characters can use them. So Thanos destroying them only removes the ability for them to be used.
For the TVA though, in order for them to do what they do they must be operating outside of what we call "time" yet still have their own version of it. So they could be 3rd dimensional beings existing in the 4th dimension instead of just passing through it. This would make their "time" the 5th dimension. Since the concept of time not only still exist for the TVA but is also governed by a higher dimension then the time stone would have no power. Same could be said for the other stones. They all govern existence as we know it on the 3rd dimension traveling through the 4th. If you moved them someplace that exists on a higher dimension then they can no longer function as all the rules would now be different.
@@Confron7a7ion7 great theory bro
> Loki
That's no TV series, that's a plot hole!
“According to the Law of Conversation of energy...”
Antman Physics: Let me introduce myself
its conservation
Antman Physics: You see, here's the thing. You can make up anything you want, and if you slap the word Quantum on there it automatically becomes a fact
Wanda could also create energy and it wasn't passed down from her body, because if that were the case, she wouldn't survive such massive energy storage or emissions
@@emberdragon4248
Actually, quantum mechanics forbids this.
4:10 You can also see each color of Infinity Stone being used for for the Sacred Timeline.
I'm never a fan of big complex timeline situations like that. Especially when you know they're going to come up with some silly simplified explanation later in the show.
I think the time stone and strange seeing futures is actually better understood a different way: first of all SEEING countless possible futures IS NOT THE SAME as actually how a moment plays out on a path to one of those futures, there is only one possible path, the one that is happening now, this is not mutually exclusive from SEEING possible other paths - this plays into the broader point that within our universe the time stone is all powerful in its ability to manipulate time, the fourth dimension is adaptable to that stone BUT the TVA is OUTSIDE the fourth dimension of any universe and so acts as kind of a fifth dimension, one that sees our dimension (including our time and stones that can fully manipulate it) as flat and finite
You know this is not real and these are actors in a movie.
???. So sad.
@@TheDrlethalassasin You know your life is not real and you are just a dream in a machine.
???. So rad.
@@TheDrlethalassasin fuck people having fun right
"Just because they don't glow, doesn't mean they are 'WORTHLESS" - THANOS
I'm GLAD to know there is someone else in the world that hoards useless batteries and stuff just out of guilt with the environment. I feel less lonely now
In a Marvel DC Crossover event, Darkseid gets the infinity stones, but can’t use them. The stones only have power in the universe in which they are created. Take them outside that universe to another and them are just rocks.
The TVA is housed in a pocket dimension, outside the MCU. Loki’s tesseract isn’t humming with power, because it’s not in the universe in which it was created. Put it back and it would work again.
This is *partly* why I'm so sad that marvel is owned by disney now :( it would be so cool to see a DC/marvel crossover on-screen
@@sarahelisabeth247 well i think disney could easily own DCEU if warner bros is willing to let it go considering how rich disney is
That little animated clip of the timekeepers creating the sacred timeline appears to show a number of smaller colored streams wrapping around the central core. those could represent the infinity stones.
The stones only works in a universe without stones , so if loki took a time stone and give it to doctor strange it will probebly work thats explains why dr.strange is wearing the eye maybe loki went back and give him one or he took one from tva . To save the universe from dark creatures .
If Magic doesn't work in the TVA, then how is Loki's still under Odin's power to keep his form as an Asgardian and not have the look of a Frost Giant. Surprisingly enough, they referred to him as Lafison.
I think this was a big Oops by Marvel. It makes no sense. They need to explain this. Loki should appear to look like he's from Jotunheim not Asgard especially if Magic doesn't work there. Is Odin more powerful than we think?
@@Chiefs816 if definitely needs explaining. Magic has been pretty ill defined in the movies up to this point. They could just say that "active" use of magic isn't possible. But something like Loki's appearance is being powered by "stored" magical energy like a battery. If the TVA exists in it's own pocket universe, it would make sense that there's no magical energy to draw on.
As far as Odin, in the comics he's shows he can create pocket dimensions, break dimensional barriers, and rip holes in the fabric of time, and is willing (though just barely) to take on Galactus (a primordial force of the cosmos) 1 on 1. So yeah, crazy powerful....in the comics at least.
They will find an answer... They always do...
Most likely its because he's been in that form for so long hes comfortable with it. You can how uncomfortable he was when the robot stripped him down lol😅
i think tva can disable harmful magic from preventing varients from escaping and odin apperance change spell is not harmful so they decided to keep it or overtime loki did became asgardian who knows or odin is just that powerful.
If the avengers were supposed to travel back in time and Loki wasnt, then how were they supposed to have the tesseract taken away from them in order for them to go even further back in time in the old S.H.I.E.L.D. facility?
The Tesseract was still in New York for them to try an steal during the heist because Cap went and put back all the stones from when they were taken at the end of endgame.
Because Cap goes back to fix it. But he can’t if Loki takes the tesseract. So Loki created a branched of timeline that can’t be fixed since cap will never go back to replace all the stones. Lol. Timekeepers do not want that timeline to exist.
@@ericlee5934 But if Loki wasn't meant to steal the tesseract, we can assume that the Avengers should've completed their mission there and then. Then wouldn't the TVA have pruned the Endgame timeline since it shouldn't have existed in the first place?
@@herochan good point but not necessarily. Loki’s is a variant although he created a branched timeline. In the timeline he’s in we don’t know yet. But since we don’t see what happens after Loki stole the tesseract we can assume that Thanos was still defeated. Maybe after capturing Loki they put the tesseract back we will never know. Dr. Strange saw 14! Million possibility with only one leading to success. So we can assume that capturing Loki the TVA had to put the tesseract back, because they didn’t prune that branch. IMO 🤷🏽♂️
@@ericlee5934 From what we've seen, the TVA tries not to meddle with the timeline. They only go in to extract the variant and prune the divergent timeline. If they were going to be proactive to put the infinity stones back to the sacred timeline for our characters, they wouldn't have so many in their drawers/to use as paperweight.
You know its pretty awesome ideas and conversations like this are happening based off what we have seen in MCU. This kind of stuff has been happening for decades with comic book creators and fans and I am happy they have captured that, makes all these comic book stories heading to big screens not feel like a cash grab and that they are honoring the source material.
Endgame: "This isn't like TimeCop"
Loki: "We are TimeCop"
Wanda a.k.a Scarlet Witch can alter reality. She can wipe out time variants from existence using her magical powers alone. Did the Timekeepers create the Scarlet witch as a backup in case the TVA get destroyed?
Interesting
Dumb as hell. Time keepers created the scarlet witch 💀
I don't see how seeing as how all variants are in different timelines and different times... the scarlet witch does not travel through time. But to answer your question, wanda is nothing compared to the Time Keepers. She Is closely monitored by them at all times because she is a nexus being, if she steps out of line and affects the timeline they fix it.
They did bro, good guess
Why don’t they just used Wanda to remove female Loki
Season 2, Loki finaly realises Loki magic works in the 'real' world, picks afew and goes on a rampage
Honestly, I was kind of figuring that they'd use this multiversal war that got off-screened to introduce the titles obtained from 21Fox. I wouldn't mind Cable popping up. I'm pretty sure they've already introduced the Baxter building, and hopefully we'll get an event with Spiderman tying into that. Considering we have two different Loki perhaps stemming from the same moment, I'm thinking the only difference between them is that one of them got to see how everything went down in the future. The reason he didn't get caught was because he didn't get distracted by an audience. I'm excited to see how this turns out because I would like this Loki to replace the one that died and maybe just play it off as one of his tricks because he's already been brought up to speed. Now he can do some heroics and redeem himself, then return.
If I were Loki, I would steal all the stones in the drawer and come back with gauntlets on every limb
Infinity Shin Guard
@@jayhenry3146 infinity jock strap.
Fuck with Loki now, I dare you lol
How would he know which stones came from his universe?
@@tombuckley3659 lol then you could really say “Look at that guys stones” and it not be weird.
May I introduce to you the infinity braces?
The comics said the stones only worked in the dimension they came from. I know they change things in movies many times, but many times they don’t & I think this will be the same explanation for them not working in the tva, it’s a different dimension. The tesseract would still work if it were returned to the earth it came from imo.
Yes, the TVA exist outside of any dimension and time.
@@Roderickdl Shouldn’t there be infinity stones for the universe that the TVA exists in?
There are different points in SPACE,
Different moments in TIME,
They believe they have SOULS,
There are people with MINDS,
anyone inside experiences a REALITY
And it has “the greatest POWER in the universe”.
Each should require a stone to embody the different aspect of existence within that dimension.
@@lukemighty4063 there is life life the exists between the dimensions but they dont have an equivalent because they don't need it like in the show Loki questions if the TVA is the most power in the multiverse
@@liamloxley1222 The terms timeline and universe are not always interchangeable. If we go by what you say, then the stones would not have worked in Endgame. Because the stones did not get taken in the original timeline.
A universe can have multiple timelines. DC calls it Hypertime. Dragon Ball Super has done it. Even Marvel has done it in the comics. The MCU is canon to the multiverse of the comics, as Earth-199999. It is canon that the stones/gems only work in their universe. The tesseract that Loki has would still work, because it is from the same universe as the MCU. The TVA states that the MCU is the single correct timeline.
The stones don't work at the TVA, because the TVA is outside of the "multiverse." I put multiverse in quotes because the single correct timeline, bla bla bla, yea...
If they weren't outside of the "multiverse." Then every time a deviant timeline was created, so would another TVA. Then copies of agents from multiple TVAs would show up to the same exact location to erase the new timeline. With their own device. Trying to capture the deviant. But, since the TVA is all for the single correct. The new timeline TVA agents would return to the single correct timeline. Infinitely increasing the number of people there. Until it would no longer be physically possible to house anymore.
@@liamloxley1222 I paid attention to exactly what you said. But you are arguing against canon. Using the term universe incorrectly. Because the universe they came from still exists, they will work in it. No matter if they are from a different timeline. Go back and read what I said.
When they reset a timeline on the show, they call it pruning. And that's because Time is like a plant. It's natural for it to sprout new timelines and branch off. Just like it's natural for a tree or a bush to do the same. The Time Keepers have ordained a Sacred Timeline, but that's just like a gardener saying the best way for the bush to be is a perfect sphere. It's really just arbitrary and only "correct" because they say it is and have the power to prune it. So Dr. Strange saw all those possibilities because they have the potential to exist, but he could not see that the TVA would prune those timelines when they begin to sprout.
It's seems like that. With how much power people in MCU have. Like they have time stone and time machine so branching of timeline is always going to happen but TVA's only concerned is not to let any branched timeline grow that can lead to multiverse war.
As for DrS I think he saw the possibility and not the future. In MCU witches can see future and can predict it whereas DrS actually fast forwarded through all possibility and found only 1 that assured their win.
I've always been a fan of sci-fi paradoxes. I look forward to knowing how the pocket dimension of where the TVA performs its tasks on regulating time & space was created? I sort of understand why certain infinity stones do not work in that dimension. Or whatever it is - maybe limbo? Overall, it's excellent sci-fi writing. The Loki series makes me think hard. That's why I like it.
I just assumed that the Infinity Stones are magic, and thus don’t work in the TVA building ... just like Loki can’t use his powers there
Well infinity stones only work on thier universe. You cant take stones from universe a and expect to use them in universe b. You see the moment the stone powers down to as they walk thru the portal
So why does the Teseract works?
@scoopsmagoo dormmamu was in another DIMENSION in the MCU. Just like every universe has an Asgard, every universe has a Dormmamu and a Dark Dimension. So Strange just went from MCU Earth to the MCU Dark Dimension. That's why it worked
@@timcamp7541 now your pov of Universe depends on your definition of MCU Universe as we can say that the Avengers travelled from their Universe (sacred timeline) to another Universe ( old timelines ) for the money heist and this brings the multiverse concept which was confirmed by miss minutes... So you can't say that "you can't take stones from Universe a and expect them to use in Universe b" as that's what literally happened in endgame lol !
@@timcamp7541 If that was true the time heist in Endgame wouldn’t have worked. They probably power down as they go into the TVA for the same reason Loki does
I have this theory that the reason why there was only one future where the Avengers won is because when Strange observed the other ones, the TVA showed up. There's only one timeline where they didn't. The Sacred Timeline.
Also! Thanos snaps his fingers, and then destroys the stones, which means other people can't use the stones to make branched timelines. The TVA might have *wanted* Thanos to use the gauntlet because it meant he would then destroy the physicality of Infinity Stones. One less headache for the TVA
That's intriguing
Nope, avengers are bunch of wokes who cant accept the result for what suppose to happen. That was all just it.
Them forcing to reverse what happen created a new timeline..
A timeline where kang exist because then idea of time travel exist and were introduced and so who ever kang is, started his journey on finding and continue what tony started.
Remember even wakanda doesnt have that technology, even hank pym doesnt dare to touch the secret of the quantum realm.. Nobody thinks it is possible.
Until tony did.
Which means if they didnt forced the 1on 14 million possibility.. Kang wont even exist.. He probably just a simple guy doing what he does.
Thanos did not destroy the infinity stones, he said "reduced to atoms" he knew the universe needed them but he couldn't destroy them so he made them so small no one would ever find them again.
"Paper beats rock." - Damn, that's good! I'm going to steal that line!
Overthinking things again. It's literally just a internal dig at the MCU and the infinity stone McGuffins. They're basically saying the infinity saga is over and now there's a new ultimate power.
Yes. But it’s not even a dig. They need to stop the Infinity Stones from being so powerful that they are the go to move for all heroes and all villains.
So we have Kang. The time traveler from the *end of time* with infinitely sophisticated technology, who creates a dimension called the null time zone where….
Infinity Stones? Useless.
Dr. Strange’s magic? Useless.
Technology…hah when you come from the future at the end of time….you have all the technology, technology so powerful that it can eliminate magic.
This is what we are seeing.
*We already know the stones work in all timelines and universes within the multiverse* - just like magic.
But - doesn’t work in the TVA…just like magic doesn’t.
It can be more than one thing.
@Novarden I hate parties so the jokes you on. 🥳😛
No, it just simply to show how exactly powerful TVA is.
Thanos: I am inevitable!
*snap*
Loki: Those are stones from a different universe.
Thanos: How do you kno-
Loki: I switched them when nobody was looking.
Thanos: 🤯
*Loki waves at Tony*
Loki: We won, how about that drink?
That's hilarious.
on the question about Thanos' snap: the answer is that the Avenger's are predetermined to win even after Thanos' snap. The judge said so herself.
Loki steals tessaract , so the iron man and cap go back again right , so if Loki was a Variant caused this , it makes iron man and cap variants too , if this was predetermined then Loki stealing the tessaract is also predetermined
if everything in the MCU that has happened from Phase 1 to 3, and from Phase 4 onwards are all.. part of the plan.. then if they were to make a mistake or a crappy MCU movie, they would just use that as an excuse and still say "it's all part of the plan". Not sure how to feel about that one
In a way it looks like they kind of already are going to be doing something like that. They haven't come right out and said it, but they have more or less indicated that Agents of Shield and the Netflix shows are non-canon now. In universe they could use the "alternate timeline" excuse. This would allow them to pull what they like from these shows (and remake what they didn't) into the movies and Disney+ shows without having to explain much.
I'm just seeing this before I watch the finale. Season 1 paved the road, and Season 2 delivered. I feel nostalgic seeing this infinity stone breakdown, just wonderful. Now that I'm watching basically every Loki Season 2 breakdown I could watch, just seeing this, makes me see how much the channel has grown. Even if, I wasn't there to witness it along the ride.
It’s possible old man Rogers was in fact in the original timeline. I don’t think going back to be with Peggy would create an alternate timeline because all the infinity stones (of that day and time) were in their proper places and the Ancient One stated that removing infinity stones is what causes branches of new timelines.
Anytime anyone time travels an alternate timeline is made. That's how time travel works in the MCU. Doesn't matter if the stones are returned or not.
@@kevinmachado524 not necessarily. If you change the past then yes. Old man Steve probably didn’t change anything. He was meant to go back to Peggy time and time again. Anyways it’s just a theory using facts provided by the MCU to support it. Especially if the TCA deemed that Steve was supposed to stay in the past
Loki was supposed to pick up the Space stone, in order for him to turn up at the TVA. It seemed like Moebius was expecting Loki, I also got a sense that Moebius is a future version of Loki, and we are witnessing him recruiting himself into the TVA!
TVA doesn't stop Thanos from destroying the stones, but also doesn't care about the End Game time travel from preventing that outcome.
The only person can use their power in any timeline or world is the living tribunal
It's going to be a long one. I haven't caught up with the comics so I may be wrong, but here is my theory: The time keepers are the ultimate evolution of living beings, being able to calculate the infinite variables that govern chaos and causality. Thus, they can predict all the possible outcomes of a choice, but not bent laws itself. By calculating all variables, they get multiple timelines. But there can only be one timeline. This is to avoid multiverses from forming and engage in a war with each other, like in the past.
This is where the TVA comes in, they ensure the proper flow of events as dictated by the Time keepers, they don't ensure the flow of time as dictated by the Time Keepers. If Time Keepers were as powerful as the TVA thinks, then they should be able to stop nexus events from happening in the first place. Anyway, the TVA reset the Nexus that forms from the choices made by people so it follows the so called "proper flow of time".
When Agent Mobius says, "...it happens again and again...", it might actually suggest that Time Keepers ensure that the same events occur again and again, including the destruction and birth of the universe. It also suggests that they are also subject to Causality, Death and Entropy, but in a broader sense than the humans and every being they rule. It is also why they are concerned about the other "Loki Variant".
Infinity stones are the singularities of massive energies and information that govern their corresponding multiverse. They are mere physical manifestations of the laws that govern everything, including the Time Keepers, they are not the Laws itself. That is also why destruction of the stones don't actually destroy the multiverse. The manifestation is destroyed but the Laws still exist. Same reason why TVA is also subject to time(entropy, death) and they have to solve some problems "Realtime".
When a timeline is erased all information is erased along with it, making the information in infinity stones irrelevant and useless. Effectively making them as useful as a paperweight.
But what does all this mean? This is where things start to fall together. There was a time when there were no Time Keepers. The multiverses were at war. The laws governing the Timelines were the same as the ones after their birth: entropy, death, causality. When they came to existence they erased all the timelines except one. This is the timeline they "created", the Sacred Timeline. They calculated a sequence of events that will ensure that no multiverse wars occur again, but the events diverge all the time and it is TVA's duty to prune all such timelines. Ensuring that the events flow as dictated by the Time Keepers. But this also means that the Time Keepers cannot allow the birth or the survival of a sentinel being similar to them. Before the birth of a similar species, the universe ends, starting over, all over, again and again.
And also killing away any individual who is susceptible to a large degree of variance, like Loki.
Time Keepers cap the evolution life can undergo and also kill off individuals that are susceptible to large degrees of variance. They also kill Billions of people every second to "ensure the proper flow of time".
My thoughts: the Time Keepers are the next big villan after Thanos, and TVA should be a lot more crowded.
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The MCU Timekeepekrs are fake. They are robots created by Kang the Conquerer to deceive the TVA operatives in an effort to prevent the Multiversal War.
@@Dennicillin Yup. I posted this weeks before the 5th episode
It doesn't matter if the TVA exists or not, the Time Stone shows THE POSSIBILITIES. That's how Strange uses the Eye Of Agamotto in Titan.
And in my opinion, he not only knew exactly what to say and how to behavior in every single time, he probably used the Eye Of Agamotto to set the timeline in that specific way.
The Time Stone taps into two things: probability and entropy.
Those two things command the flow of time. When he reverses time for a specific object, person or place, he's reverting the entropy.
When he sets future events he's playing with probability.
When something happened, entropy was already calculated by "the universe" and all things in the universe have a fixed position in the past. When the Avengers arrived in the past, they changed the entropy of that system that already had everything fixed, causing a change of entropy in the system, causing a branch of time.
Does this mean that Captain America was allowed to stay in the past with Peggy Carter, either in our universe or in another? I mean, if he was indeed Peggy Carter's husband in our universe he definitely did a good job not altering our timeline.
When loki makes his escape for a split second in the background you see a minuteman with a woman who looks like Peggy
@@tonyheard637 I just rewatched and she does look like Peggy Carter. If she is, Steve would be the unluckiest man on the universe since the TVA took away from him his only (last?) chance to have a happy life with her.
@@leoncarrillo89 that’s what I thought as soon as I started hearing the Peggy TVA theories - ugh that would just be awful
Well now they are telling us there is only one timeline, but wait they already told us there was a Multi Verse. They are telling us there is only one possible future yet Dr. Strange saw millions.
I imagine that Cap was in another timeline in which there were two Captain America’s (though one was under the ice). But presumably that timeline needed to be pruned…
Well, you've been busy as a bee........ NO!!! NOT THE BEES!!!
But with the magic dampeners off in the TVA, can’t Loki wield them *ALL?!* 🔴🟠🟡🟢🔵🟣🤯🤯🤯🫨🫨🫨🫨🌀
Exactly, I'm thinking the same thing
I think that those infinity stones were from different universes and Tva prevents any extra timeline that should not exist of each universe that's present in Marvel's multiverse .That's why in Dr.Strange into the multiverse of madness he travel to different universes and not different timelines of this universe.
Loki can't use his powers there. Maybe magical things, like the stones, do not work there.
In the comics the infinity stones only work in the dimension they came from. There have been numerous stories of how someone stole the stones from anotherbdimension only to get their home dimension and find they don't work.
infinity stones are pillars of the universe they come from, but when outside of that universe, like the TVA, they become inert. also since loki is a god maybe he doesn't have access to cosmic power or it's just magic in general and they already said that there isn't any magic in the TVA
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow They said ANY sort of powers don't work there.
@@djdoc06 They came from alternate timelines. A universe can have multiple timelines. DC calls it Hypertime. Dragon Ball Super has done it. Even Marvel has done it in the comics. The MCU is canonically apart of the comics multiverse, as Earth-199999. The rules of that multiverse state that the stones/gems only work in the universe that they come from. This rule is canon. Thus, the MCU has to abide by these same rules.
then why bother recruiting him in the first place?
that compilation of the stones being named off was so soothing.
u can literally see the tessaract dying as the light goes dim when loki enters the TVA.
Considering the fact there were only two soul stones, three or four space stones (not counting the tesseract), one or two power stones (it is hard to tell which of the stones are space or power since they aren't that bright), six reality stones, six time stones, and zero mind stones in that draw means no variants have ever had mind stones with them, only two had soul stones, either three or four had space stones, one or two had power stones, while atleast six had reality stones along with six having time stones means that variants having either time or reality stones are the most common.
why didn't the tva return the stones to the original timeline they were taken from. even if the new universe is minute man'd, the stones still belong to the original universe
In Endgame, there were 2 nebulas, each with a 9 year difference, which proves you can bring people from the past (their present) to the present (their future). So, now that Iron man is dead, cant they just go back in time, and bring him back, and they can do that because as Bruce (Hulk) said "Changing the past doesn't change the future"
I think a more simplified explanation for why Strange could see so many and deduce that only one outcome would work was him seeing the seemingly infinite possibilities and then see the one timeline that the TVA would allow, the one that was meant to be. Because any other variation on their choices would ultimately fail via reset. Whose to say he couldn't see TVA intervention?
One year before oil discovered by accident? Not likely, an origin for Roxxon more likely. After all Loki at some point is at a Roxxcart store as president.
I thought the infinity stones didn't work because magic was disabled in the TVA, which is why Loki couldn't conjure clothes when he was arrested. It's not that the stones stopped working because their home universe was pruned, but because no magic works inside the TVA.
So happy to be subbed to this channel. He's really insightful and thoughtful with his breakdowns and theories. His breakdown of your mom was my all time favorite.
I think seeing the stone in the drawer wasn't just that the stone are powerless to the TVA. I think everything is powerless to them everyone else beneath them. If it's not in the sacred time line its useless we saw that they didn't treat variants as people with feelings they were treated as nuisance insignificant the stone didn't lose their importance or power to that time line messy ( our time line If you will) its still a huge deal to the people still out there in that the TVA totally disconnected from everything else the desk dude didn't even know what a fish is they are basically a corporate cult.
Yeah I kinda don't like the TVA. They seem very inhumane about their protocols. They have no problem setting bombs down to delete timelines and they give you a trial just to delete you afterwards. I mean what's the point of the trial? Just delete me on spot. Then they treat you like you did it on purpose. Seriously your telling me it was part of the plan for the avengers to go back in time but Loki escaping in his own timeline isn't. Biased much?
It was also said in the episode that magic doesn't work in the TVA.
That's why Loki's ability to teleport didn't work there.
Like Jahova's Witness took over the IRS
@@mario125ww same I don’t like the TVA
The end is kinda cool but the original point is that Loki gets reset and then again and again he takes out the stones and they become useless..... yeah.........
The infinity stones are the ultimate power in any given universe, but don’t work outside of their particular universe.
Now the question is if the TVA can just erase the whole timeline why even bother catching Loki when he could be erased with the rest of the timeline
Remember the "Bellisario's Mantra" :
Its only the first episode, but even then its been suggested that the Loki starring in this new show is going to be useful in catching other variants who have found a way to avoid the TVA's reach. Mobius even hopes so, which is why he begged to not let the 2012 Loki get pruned. Besides, TVA is only there to protect the Sacred Timeline from being changed, for possibly selfish reasons The Timekeepers have, not because of nature's will. As Ryan has explained in his other Loki videos.
@@gesi7072 That makes sense, but what about other variants like the Goldman Sachs guy?
My theory is that Strange didn't use the time stone to see the future he just used it to allow himself to work out how a future would turn out given certain actions and to do it he sped up his mind which is why we see him moving faster
Question: how is the stone removed from the timeline if all it did was transportation Loki to another location of the same timeline?
In that timeline Loki wasn’t supposed to have the stone, him picking up the stone created a new timeline where he picks it up.
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I think Loki did not create another timeline but just changed the course of the timeline.
Remember endgame? The avengers already created a different timeline when they travelled to new york in 2012. That timeline will have its own course. Meaning even if there are changes in that timeline, it wont matter since it has its own course.
@@TheHonoredUno That does not "remove" it from the timeline, however. Pierre is right, this vid mistakes time and space. It's completely arbitrary to say that the Tesseract was "removed" from the timeline, when of course *everything* was removed. The pizza place down the street exists in the new timeline--was it "removed" from the old one to get there? No. Neither was the Tesseract. The Ancient One's entire speech simply doesn't apply to this show, we're trying to impose that lens on a show that clearly has different rules.
When Loki is taken by the TVA the fact that he himself is gone should also be indicative of a nexus event, not just the tesseract being gone. To 'clip the Branch' of that new multiverse timeline, you would need to return Loki and the tesseract to where they were, when they were. I'm assuming that the devices the TVA put some before they leave timelines do essentially that, in creating the people/infinity stones as necessary, but they cannot destroy the variants which is why they take them back to the TVA HQ
@@michaelscotch3113 well since they have a court system, maybe being judged 'innocent' will place them back in the original timeline...
Seems to me like they're losing track of their own timeline, lol.
"We are so smart, hehehee!"
It's like a 12 years old wrote this.
lol this I what you get when you have no overall plan and just play it by ear
After watching this video, I realized I had questions
The timestone is stuck in its place and time. That said, like a computer made today, it can use data to predict the future... It doesn't mean it's going to be right. A PC can predict 14m outcomes, it doesn't change the fact that one outcome may be the only actual outcome. It uses data to make assumptions. Half asleep rant: over.
good analogy, meaning there can be only 1 way to win thanos out of the 14 million predicted outcomes
There can only be one outcome in a fixed timeline. The Sacred Timeline is fixed so only one outcome was possible.
@@RickClark58 I don't disagree. My logic is the timestone+strange didn't know it was fixed and just made predictions.
@@richiebee8719 That is simply not possible in a fixed timeline. Strange says he "saw" a million outcomes but only one where they win. Strange was lying. He could have only seen one outcome. I explain why in my vid reply. The question is, why was Strange lying?
@@RickClark58 I know it's not possible, but my logic was he wasn't lying, he just didn't know better. He used incomplete data to make 14 million assumptions and thought 1 outcome was possible, meanwhile the truth was that one outcome was the only outcome possible.
It would be interesting how the TVA would deal with a THANOS variant...... 🤔🤯
Also I 💚 how they are using different people being called VARIANTs like different variant comic book covers. 😎👍
I’m more interested on how would they deal with Deadpool
I was thinking the same thing. How would they stop him? Or the hulk
@@conjam86 or Thor or Vision or Wanda or Captain marvel or dormammu or a celestial or the eternals there is so many possibilities.
I agree, that would be fun to see, but as we know, Thanos never truly cared about having power over the entire universe, just to rule it. He had an insane idea about overpopulation in the universe and how he could solve it, using the infinity stones. When he was done snapping, he just went home to mind his business. I don't think Thanos ever had it in him to create a variant that would cause the Timekeepers trouble. Even if he did, the TVA would most likely be able to handle him, since he isnt even a magical being.
So if u take an infinity stone from the universe that part of the universe which stone influences ceases to exist or doesn't it? , Loki got away with the tesseract and there is no stone in that universe which is evidently ours so it ceases to exist or does TVA will place the stone back making another timeline where iron man and cap won't go back time and that is the sacred timeline, apparently ironman and cap going back is a variant timeline that Loki created right ,if TVA doesn't get the stone back the current timeline will continue the same as we saw in the movie right or it will lead to cease to exist or the avengers will not find the space stone at all
Read Adam Warlock # 11, the basis for the “see the future -> Pick the future -> create time loop” rules. When Dr. Strange went looking there were still 14,000,605 (plus more) observable futures. Once he picked 1, THAT’s when the loop started (reducing the futures down to 1, where they win, Kang emerges, multiverses war, he who remains, Sylvia kills him, then back to Dr. Strange on Titan -> Repeat.
I think the TVA is located out side the space and time so that's why infinity stones didn't work there.