TIG Weld with a Stick Welder
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2021
- A fun experiment in TIG welding with my cheap DekoPro inverter stick welder from amazon.
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Awesome video! You explain things so clear and concise! Thank you!
Very clear explanation easy to follow.
Ha, I bought this same machine to try out even though I have a army of Miller equipment.. quite amazed.. found this video because I want to try adding a tig torch. I have one in my cart but curious which you purchased. Thanks .. and informative videos
Thank you for experience and knowledge from your video.. for a beginner, i can learn more from this educative video.. thumbs up
this is the exact video i was looking for thanks a lot now i know how to setup tig with this machine
So glad it helped!
What an explanation I looked everywhere finaly i ve got thank u sir
What a very helpful and lovely guy I could watch your videos all day, in fact I think I will 👍
I am so grateful for this channel. Sir, you are a fantastic teacher. I am feeling confident as I begin my welding adventure. Thank you! :-)
Can you add a new link for the torch? The one you have in your description doesn’t work anymore 😢
TIM you are great teacher 👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks! 😃
Thank you for the great explanation, I have ask before how and why you could do this with this welders and nobody was as clear as you!!!
There are some of these little inverter DC stick welders with a "lift TIG" setting, although I have yet to try one.
Excellent video.
Such a cool video! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Awesome video really cool and really helpful
great teacher
Wow man , grate video.
I am thinking about now and I might try my stick welder longevity .
Thanks! It works good. With so many affordable dedicated TIG welders out there, I'd consider that as an option as well.
ery informative. Thank You.
Thanks a lot! Very informative video...
You are welcome!
Late to the party, but this was still an excellent video. I especially like the tungsten sharpener idea. Thanks for making it Tim!
That was awesome!!!
Thank you!!
Thanks man :)
great info thanks...
Thank you for sharing. Recently discovered your channel and learning heaps from your videos. I’ve subscribed too. Regards. 🦘🇦🇺
Awesome, thank you!
Great demo, thanks. Richard C Schmidt
Well Done, hmmmmm I have a hopefully bright idea type of question;
If I fill an inexpensive sandblasting enclosure with gas & tig weld in it, ?would I save tons of money on gas?
Great Video. I have a cheapy inverter welder that will only do 127 amps and overhead 1/8" 7018 is hard as it needs 10 amps more as holding a tight arc snuffs out the arc. If you can test these welders in overhead and find ones that will do it in 1/8" 7018, I'll buy one !! Thanks
Thank you Tim very nice tutorial (like subd)
Yiannis (Athens Greece)
Hi Tim, Awesome video. Thanks for posting, great info.
Would you recommend this Welder or something similar today, one year later? Or have new better power supplies become available since this video was created?
I would like to try TIG before investing in an $800-$900 TIG welder. I currently have a CK 17V torch, gas hose, gas/power connector block, gas regulator, everything to make it work. I will purchase the Argon cylinder. The only thing I am missing is the power supply for TIG setup. Any recommendations ?
Thank you, Dan
Thanks for the video that was very helpful i have a little yeswelder and was thinking about trying tig on it
Also can you do some videos on welding downhill stick on pipe I've been trying that but just can't quite get it i would really appreciate it
Thanks for the comment! I haven't welded much pipe, but I may work with an expert pipe welder to make some videos on that in the future.
If you don’t have it uploaded could we see you stick welding with that unit cause I bought pretty much the same welder it’s a s simder machine
I have a weld generator and I was thinking if the exhoust gas could be used as shield gas.
im planning on using this sort of tig setup to weld 1/4" 4130 steel for a bike, would you recommend this as a good budget way to weld 1/4" or it it a terrible idea?
Do you have videos for stainless steel welding????
Hi could you describe the complete wiring I am new to this
I dont have money for argon gas. Can I get a tig torch and use it with my flux coat electrode? Wouldnt the electrode be an alternative for gasless welding.
Do you by any chance have the OD of the cable that connects to the welder? I bought myself a Tig torch now I just need to get the cable. 8.9mm or 12.8mm
Sucks that this machine isn't available on Amazon Canada :(
I've been asking this for a long time now, does using my arc welder as tig can damage the machine? I can't afford to buy a proper tig welder yet. Helpp
How about the fumes we see coming out of the weld?
I want to see someone hook up an AC stick welder and try to tig weid aluminum with it. My guess would be that you are stuck on a 50/50 cleaning vs penetrating. but like I'm really curious to know if anyone has ever done that.
ac/dc tig is not AC current from my understanding, it's different
can we use stick electrodes on tig, they already have shielding gas material so the expense of buying a gas bottle can be minimised..
Hi! The link to the torch isn't working, can u post another link?
Thank you about the grinder .. lol .. i got the same 9,90€ thanks again
No problem 👍
How many amps were you running on?
I'm curious, is it as difficult to scratch start as it is to stick weld?
I have so much trouble stick welding until I switched to 7014 rods (much easier).
You make both look really easy.
Can you use 7014 on thinner metal like you can with 6013? Do you like 7014 better than 6013?
How do you tack weld with lift tig?
Where can I get a hold of that same tig torch you used for this video? I have that same DEKOPRO and want to try and tig with it.
which one did you end up buying-I bouggt this same machine and wanted to know the same question
What torch are you using? The link in the descriptions doesn’t work.
Is their a link to getting these toys
Is that Deko dka-200y welding machine?
Wouldn't a flux core rod/wire fix the need of argon gas. Making it even more simpler.
That little jig on angle grinder for grinding the rod tip is ingenious 👌🏽
That's a great question. With TIG welding, a molten pool is formed before filler metal is added, so it's necessary to have shielding shielding come prior to filler metal and in between applications of filler metal, thus the gas instead of flux. The tungsten electrode also needs to be shielded so that it doesn't get contaminated at temperature, and it's really nice to have such a clean weld without any slag remnants from the flux remaining after the weld is complete. Thanks!
@@TimWelds thank you makes sense 👍🏼
ah, I was about to ask the very same question. For a moment I felt really smart for the idea :D
I've tried the same what you showed on the video unfortunately my tungsten balled everytime I started....... May be I have to practice how to 'scratch' start which makes me really stressed out sharpening the tungsten!!! Do you recommend other tougher tungsten? I'm currently using 'white painted' tungsten.
First of all, make sure that your torch is connected to the negative side-if it is backwards, it will ball like crazy. Second, that type of electrode is typically used on thicker magnesium or aluminum with AC. I would recommend blue lanthanated electrodes (red or gray will also work).
can be used in sq40 pipe?
Can I weld aluminum with this set up?
I currently have a Miller Maxstar 161s and I would like to try TIG. When using a stick machine for TIG will I have to run more amps than I would typically would for stick? I noticed you were at 130 amps on 1/4” plate. That would be way too high for my machine doing stick. I would typically be around 90 amps for 1/4”. Thanks!
To some extent, it depends. The amperage range for stick welding will be based primarily on the rod type and diameter, and slightly varied within that range based on material thickness. For TIG welding, amperage is based on material thickness, joint configuration and travel speed. For 1/4" on my other machines, I'll often turn it to180 amps or so to allow me to weld faster, especially since I have a foot pedal to regulate it. There's a wide range of amperage that will work for TIG welding steel, it will just vary your travel speed.
Does anybody know by chance what he is exactly using
Anyone know if the connectors are DKJ10 or DKJ35? I suspect they are DKJ10
Good video. I think you should have underlined the fact that even though this is TIG welding, this method is not good enough for aluminium. That would require AC balance feature from your welding machine.
Great point! Thanks!
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Im confident I can build an exhaust with this now lol
Has anyone tried adding a foot control or something to cut off the arc, so you dont have to flick the torch and let the gas protect the weld till the end?
You can modify the electronics to cut off the arc but its not recommended.
Instead of noble gas can you use a flux coated rod or powdered flux?
No. With TiG welding you form a molten pool before the rod is added. The gas is necessary to keep that pool clean before, during, and after the filler rod is in contact with the weld.
Is the weld strong enough to weld a bicycle / motorcycle frame?
Strength of the weld depends on who is doing it. A good weld can be stronger than the frame itself
I have a hard time to repair sheet metal used on a metal wheel barrel using 1/16 stick welder rod. I am putting holes through the sheet metal. Any suggestions. Can I just use co2 gas in place of argon gas?
The trick to welding thinner material with stick is to keep the arc length as short as possible, use the lowest amperage possible, angle the heat toward greater mass when possible, and make sure not to linger in an area too long. If all else fails, you can do a continual overlap of quick tack welds (just remove the slag on each tack prior to starting the next one)
Can tig welders be converted to a stick welder? I am looking for a portable farm unit.. also like the idea of art projects with tig.
Many tig welders come with a stick electrode holder, so, yes, if they have the right attachment and settings.
Why do you not recommend using an ac welder for this setup.? I want to try welding alum.
An AC stick welder will have a balance of 50% EP and 50% EN, which will put a lot of heat into the electrode, where I usually run 70-80% EN on aluminum. Also, without HF start, it would be a challenge. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it won’t be great. I’d try to look at something like a Primeweld TIG to get started with Aluminum.
So if I want to weld stainless steel do I have to use argon or can I just get the coated stick ?
You can use either TIG or stick to weld stainless. Stick welding doesn’t work well if the material is much thinner than 1/8” (3mm).
Cool, does it work on aluminum?
Its dc only so no.
So is it even possible to weld aluminum with this setup? And if so, is this an instance in which you would use AC?
I’m wondering the exact same thing
Would you be able to weld 0.6mm sheet metal with this setup?
Probably, but it would be a real pain in the neck. HF start and a foot pedal would be majorly helpful.
Does this setup do aluminum? I heard u need ac for aluminum
You are correct. This won’t work well for aluminum.
That little deko is a DC machine??
Yeah, pretty much all the the little inverters output DC.
That's what I thought, but they don't say it on the site. I use a dynasty for tig, but I hate dragging it out for stick practice. This is a perfect knock around unit
DC .. this 50-90 € machine is a bullshit and only DC i think useful only for little home work
@@TimWelds does it run 6010?
laiky71 most stick inverters do not run 6010.. you can always use 6011 though..
I have a yes welder and it doesn’t have a gas hookup, can I tig weld still?
Yes , you just need the right hand piece
Same as his ? But it has a gas line two, wich goes to the gas bottle
@@timothyrouse2853 oh okay thank you so much!
@@timothyrouse2853 I just realized that the tig torch that came with my machine actually has the gas hookup like his in the video
Where can I find the tig torch you used in this video ? I have that same Dekopro machine and would like to try and tig with it. Would really appreciate it. 🙏🙏
There have been so many guys doing “Can we TIG with it” videos about the cheapest, or almost the cheapest stick welder, that it’s tiring. Seriously, if you want to TIG, get a TIG welder. This isn’t the best, or safest option. It’s a Rube Goldberg contraption. By the time you get everything you need to do this, you could have spent the same amount on a proper model. Torches with a valve also cost more, negating the cost of the solenoid valve in a TIG welder.
A lot of guys can never get used to scratch start. That’s honest. Lift start is a bit easier, but really, not by that much. Most of the time, unless you can start with very low amperage, the tip will stick to the work, and then you have to twist it off, and retry it. And yes, every time you dip your electrode, you have to regrind. That’s even true if you stick to the work. I do have a solution for people who can’t manage this. Get a piece of copper, at least 1/16” thick and a couple of inches square. Put that right next to where you’re going to weld, and start off on the copper, moving to where the weld should be. You won’t stick to the copper.
If you’re starting from scratch, just buy a TIG setup. These days, TIG welders have become cheaper. Even high frequency start machines have become fairly cheap. It’s always better to save up for a better machine than buy the cheapest that you can buy right away. $100 extra can make a big difference. If you have a stick machine, really, think hard about it, and give some serious thought about getting rid of it, and buying a TIG machine.
Just remember that you’re going to be doing this for a long time. Doing this with a stick welder and trying to “upgrade” is going to be disappointing. It could sour you on the whole idea. I know it’s a topic for a video, but don’t do it.
That is great, sound advice.
Thanks for putting so much thought into this comment. Like I said in the video, you’ll come close to the cost of a basic TIG by the time you buy the torch too, and HF start is much better. I too would recommend getting a dedicated TIG machine if you’re starting out from scratch. I also agree that it’s worth thinking long term before picking equipment. However, this works quite well and provides another option for those who have a DC stick machine and want to give TIG a try. Thanks for the tip with the copper. While the setups I have used have lit up easily, it may help someone who is struggling to scratch start. I always appreciate your comments and input. Thanks, Tim
I agree on a lot of your points except for where you say get rid of your stick machine. Stick still has so many practical applications. That TIG never will. If you're saying it's a superior weld you are most likely correct. But it's not nearly as versatile. Are you talking about strictly fabrication work and a warehouse setting? For that absolutely. But out in the field and in real world scenarios outside on farms oil rigs at war nothing beats arc.
I wouldn't get rid of your arc welder. I just wouldn't use it for TIG welding
@@stephenrosenthal5252 what I meant by getting rid of the stick welder, was that for someone who doesn’t really want to stick weld, but bought the machine because it was cheap, and that was all they wanted to spend at the time, and let’s face it, stick has its own difficulties, but decides they want to TIG instead. Since we’re talking about people who might find it hard to afford a TIG machine, selling the stick will help. I know a number of people who thought that welding was so easy, and then found it wasn’t. My usual recommendation for the casual weekend welder is to either buy a MiG, which is real easy to learn, or second best, buy a flux core machine like the Titanium 125, which Tim reviewed, and I bought for a small machine when my big ones aren’t easily moved, and I’m just welding in short spurts. The problem with everything but stick and flux core is the gas. That can actually cost as much as the welder in upfront costs.
Can you weld thin aluminum with this?
Halo freind. Thank you for the video. I tried the project and it doesn't work.
I replaced a welder and it's not working. I changed a gas tank and it's not working
I use argon gas.
Electronic welder- deca mos 170 gen
By the way, I'm using a direct connection from the + port from the welder to the table, not the gas hose.
I thank you for any help. Thank you
Shield gas. I have been thinking about that for long time. It is difficult to recharge bottle here, therefore i have an idea, common atmosphere, if we take away the 20% oxygen, and there is no hydrogen, the remaining gas can all be use as shield gas? Nitrogen, argon, co2. And we have plenty of that kind of air we call air pollution in a city. Cars, fossel fuel generator, factory. what if, i collect these gas and use it as gas shield in welding? They are available anyway even everybody don't want it excist.
I know this is a crazy, probably stupid idea, therefore i need someone who really knows the deal to comment this hypothesis.
It sounds a little crazy because arc physics and material characteristics are very sensitive to the gas composition, but if you got a process/machine to work without having to buy gas I'd be the first to sign up!
In your scenario you are not collecting just these gasses. You would have to collect them all. Via compressed air. Then have to rid the air of oxygen and hydrogen. And moisture.
My idea might be easier. As an electrician we have 2 very common high voltage switches. Air break and oil switches.
Both suppress the arc when blades close and make contact.
Welding under oil submergion sounds messy. So I say replicate the air break. Weld in a vacuum. Maybe like a box like a sandblaster box. Vacuum pump and box
Just get a first try couple days ago, using exhaust smoke directly from a running car engine, no extra pressurized procedures, the welding result itself looks not much difference, still pretty ugly as usual. but occasionally there will be 1 or 2 spark, not on the tip, not on the metal, but in the gas shield air? I guess it is incomplete burn fuel and carbon particles from the engine get burn. In this stage, i proof those exhaust smoke will not damage your welding, but that's not equal to it will help welding. But the smell is so ...... damn refreshing! Just like having put your nose to the exhaust pipe of your car 😅 (exactly equal)
you are looking at a tig welder...all stick welding machines are capable of welding tig...they are the same!
Not very clear instructions. You hooked the torch to the negative lead, what about the positive.
Positive connects to the work clamp. 😉