I have only found VICE recently, am I am very pleased with the quality of their videos. But I am beyond stunned at the profound topics and questions that come up in these quality podcasts
Excellent interview. Enjoyed all of it. The end regarding sobriety 24/7 and a change in thought over punishment is worth another interview on the subject. Nice work
this discussion has highlighted the factual and relevant information on regulation, unlike any other documentary I have seen. Any chance you know of a interview with someone specificly on legalization in Australia and its weed culture. Thanks from Australia
It's so nice to see a discussion on this topic where neither people have a particular agenda other than to solve the problem at hand in a rational way.
Yeah, Professor Kleiman is great. I had him for a Drug Abuse Control Policy class at UCLA and you can tell that he's incredibly smart just after one lecture. He blogs at samefacts (dotcom)
this is great, we need more advocates like him. in my opinion, as someone who doesnt smoke the stuff i think his opinions are more far more valid than that of a pot smoker's. his are coherent, rational and more importantly, unbiased
I'm very much enjoying this discussion but would appreciate more volume, if that's possible in the future... I don't know how it works, but if possible, that would be good.
I think lowering the drinking would reduce teen consumption as its associated with rebellion, the search for an adult identity (teens associate alcohol with being an adult) and often drink hardtack as its easier to 'traffic', which results in more reckless drinking habbits
As a former student of Mark Kleiman, I know exactly why it wasn't addressed. It's because marijuana legalization wouldn't eliminated much crime, violence, and corruption. Kleiman's associate, Beau Kilmer from the RAND Corporation, has conducted studies on this and found that marijuana sales account for about 15-25% of the total drug export revenues for the "cartels." In order to make a dent in their profits, you would need to legalize harder drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin ,etc.
I like Kleiman's stance. I don't know about other people, but when someone tells me I can't do something, the first thing I want to do is that. Legalization and regulation will make you feel less powerful because you won't be resisiting action like most people do today. I do everything I can not to abide by people who search for power through government.
For some people it takes away depression, for others it has no effect. As you have pointed out strains vary in effects, but also ones psychological state should also be taken into account. People are all different and weed will always be different due to perception.
Wow... I had two eureka moments while watching this video. 1) We need federal cannabis legalization more than any other type. (31:00) 2) Swift and Certain punishment schemes should be adopted everywhere in the world!!!(49:43) Excellent video!
The reason marijuana legalization wouldn't eliminate much violence is because marijuana production, distribution, and consumption in the US do not involve high-stakes transactions/penalties worth killing someone. Also, most retail marijuana sales occur between friends indoors - not shady, strangers on street corners...in stark contrast to the distribution of crack and heroin, which occurs in violent markets controlled by armed gangs.
If you would like to pen a Policy by which you would encourage good behavior then you must make the device first optional. Then you must subsidize the good behavior. A type of policy which is only currently offered to corporations mostly.
Taxing alcohol more just gives it a greater coolfactor so it increases underaged drinking and the same thing with a minimumage for drinking gives it a greater coolfactor as well
Taxing alcohol would reduce drinking among younger people and heavy drinkers, which is the target demographic. I agree that the minimum age is what allows for this "forbidden fruit" phenomenon to flourish. However, there has to be a minimum age (18 years old would be good).
I think the marketing aspect is more about different alcohol brands competing with each other. If marketing itself is so powerful that it can turn a functional adult into a non-functioning alcoholic, then marketing itself should be regulated.
Thanks for the replies! You definitely make some good points. I guess that would really then be an argument then for broad drug legalization. It does seem to me that the War on Drugs is as much a failure as Prohibition was. And probably much worse.
Prof. Kleiman was very good. While I don't necessarily agree with his conclusions on policy, he made a very good case and did so without many appeals to authority and minimal appeal to emotion. If he is pushing some kind of agenda, he at least has the modesty to insist that there be data before doing so. This was the first I'd heard of the NoDak DUI program - I hope that gets picked up and adapted in many states. It makes so much sense on multiple levels, and the results speak for themselves
Issue is a small amount of weed gets you high where as a small amount of alcohol does not get you drunk. No one will take a blunt or whatever you call it and only take one puff and then throw it away. Alcohol on the other hand, can be drunk in small and convenient qualities such as a shot or can of beer can and still avoid the negative effects of alcohol.
I agree for the most part, but he seems to be under the assumption that only the flower would be used if the crop was industrialized. Thats just not true, there is already a market for everything from oils to clothing
Legalization is not really a decision until you figure out what kind of legalization we're talking about. There is the public health aspect to address. A licit marijuana industry would depend on and encourage chronic, addicted stoners. Legalization using the free-market alcohol model - with low taxes, aggressive marketing, and low regulation (due to the powerful lobby) - would not be ideal. That's why Mark Kleiman prefers legalization through consumer-owned coops and a grow-your-own policy.
I would argue that tobacco has a larger effect(or at least equal) on your behavior than cannabis. At least in the fact that when you don't have your tobacco you become extremely stressed and grumpy, and are very likely to take it out on those around you.
EXACTLY. I didn't even catch that. WHAT DOES ANY OF HIS MESSAGE HAVE AT ALL TO DO WITH LEGALIZING MARIJUANA FOR THE HEMP, MEDICINE, FOOD OR OTHER INDUSTRY? Rather than just this "getting high" aspect, which really isn't worth spending any time on. It just doesn't make sense.
Uh...no. That's not his stance. I took his drug abuse control policy class at UCLA and he stated that he's in favor of small consumer-owned coops AND a grow-your-own policy.
I'm not Mormon or Christian Scientist. I tried cigarettes a couple times in high school, got a buzz from booze once during the same period, never tried pot or any other drugs even though, as a life long hard core ski bum and resident of rural Alaska, I've basically been surrounded by pot for most of my life. Coffee, caffeine? Nope. What's the point? I advocate the clean air and pure water lifestyle. I want the real buzz of genuine life experiences via the context of a quality life, not a counterfeit chemical fiction. I won't accept an illusion or a substitute for good, I want the real thing.
EXACTLY. I didn't want to get into this but, here's the honest truth: Marijuana is made to be used in increasing intervals. To the point where one would effectively be able to utilize a larger amount of THC and CBD's for their comfort and/or requirement. For instance someone with a naturally higher tolerance or requirement or someone who is treating a very serious illness like a cancer tumor with HEMP oil which has shown curative properties.
When you allow a vice fully, price drops, when price drops, people who control the industry do not want that impacting their black market. A problem is that the people who control the vice black markets control the government.
This is a great watch. I'm honestly surprised just how much this mirrors my own views on drug use and legalization, esp. when they started talking about the differences between legalizing cannibis and the hallucinogens and MDMA and it's analogues. Just goes to show just how ignorant the typical anti-drug conversations in the US go, I guess. :~/
i love his view, but the one thing that gets me is him talking about the price of a joint. No one buys just joints unless you're 15 or broke. and also, who makes 4/10 joints. if i were to smoke, they'd be 0.5 each
Yep, same thing happened to me mate, trying to quit the cigs at the moment fucking disgusting habit. Look into vaporizers they are the best way to go and use less pot too.
I seriously love these podcasts and this interviewer is by far one of the best interviewers I have seen.
probably one of the best interviewers I've ever listened to, he is so engaged into the conversation. it makes it very easy to watch.
I have only found VICE recently, am I am very pleased with the quality of their videos. But I am beyond stunned at the profound topics and questions that come up in these quality podcasts
Fantastic podcast. Good job Vice, keep up the good work!
One of the best talks on the subject I have seen, I highly recommend it to any one interested in the issues in and around cannabis legalisation.
Excellent interview. Enjoyed all of it. The end regarding sobriety 24/7 and a change in thought over punishment is worth another interview on the subject. Nice work
This is by far the best objective drug discussion i've ever heard
this discussion has highlighted the factual and relevant information on regulation, unlike any other documentary I have seen. Any chance you know of a interview with someone specificly on legalization in Australia and its weed culture. Thanks from Australia
Could listen to this guy for hours.
I thought this was really well put together. Thank you for talking on the subject and providing new information for once.
It's so nice to see a discussion on this topic where neither people have a particular agenda other than to solve the problem at hand in a rational way.
This has been the best podcast yet!!!!
I enjoy hearing such sensible arguments made for legalization. It's quite refreshing from the ones I typically hear.
MAKE THIS SHIT LOUDER! Please! Love these podcasts but I like to have them on in the background while im doing things
Totally agree with your statement. I hope more people start to realize it.
mark kleiman... im impressed, all angles analized.
Yeah, Professor Kleiman is great. I had him for a Drug Abuse Control Policy class at UCLA and you can tell that he's incredibly smart just after one lecture. He blogs at samefacts (dotcom)
Very in-depth interview.
Well thanks for putting things in perspective guys!
How cares if its taxed after being legalized. Just grow your own!
Thank god this guy is back hosting the podcasts! Can i hear a YE!
this is great, we need more advocates like him. in my opinion, as someone who doesnt smoke the stuff i think his opinions are more far more valid than that of a pot smoker's. his are coherent, rational and more importantly, unbiased
I'm very much enjoying this discussion but would appreciate more volume, if that's possible in the future... I don't know how it works, but if possible, that would be good.
Really interesting conversation. Awesome guest and awesome host!
Wow powerful stuff. Hopefully important people see this and get educated.
That interviewer was so articulate. Not a single "um" or "like". I hope I can manifest my ideas like that one day.
Starting to really enjoy the podcasts
Cool, thanks. Will check that out.
I think lowering the drinking would reduce teen consumption as its associated with rebellion, the search for an adult identity (teens associate alcohol with being an adult) and often drink hardtack as its easier to 'traffic', which results in more reckless drinking habbits
what a great interview. very insightful.
I've never smoked weed I really have no desire to smoke it, that being said I'm 100% for it to be legalized.
Great discussion Vice.
Great episode well done and I think Reihan's interviewing skills improve each time
As a former student of Mark Kleiman, I know exactly why it wasn't addressed. It's because marijuana legalization wouldn't eliminated much crime, violence, and corruption.
Kleiman's associate, Beau Kilmer from the RAND Corporation, has conducted studies on this and found that marijuana sales account for about 15-25% of the total drug export revenues for the "cartels."
In order to make a dent in their profits, you would need to legalize harder drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin ,etc.
I like Kleiman's stance. I don't know about other people, but when someone tells me I can't do something, the first thing I want to do is that. Legalization and regulation will make you feel less powerful because you won't be resisiting action like most people do today. I do everything I can not to abide by people who search for power through government.
"the doritos cost more than the pot" with such a serious face ... bahah
4:50 "terrible people things do while they're drunk"
I think this still manages to express a negative consequence of over drinking, actually.
That eye contact. haha
For some people it takes away depression, for others it has no effect. As you have pointed out strains vary in effects, but also ones psychological state should also be taken into account. People are all different and weed will always be different due to perception.
Wow... I had two eureka moments while watching this video.
1) We need federal cannabis legalization more than any other type. (31:00)
2) Swift and Certain punishment schemes should be adopted everywhere in the world!!!(49:43)
Excellent video!
yeah been looking at that, thinking of getting a e-cig too so i can switch to all green
Cool, I'm using an article he wrote in my undergrad research paper.
The reason marijuana legalization wouldn't eliminate much violence is because marijuana production, distribution, and consumption in the US do not involve high-stakes transactions/penalties worth killing someone.
Also, most retail marijuana sales occur between friends indoors - not shady, strangers on street corners...in stark contrast to the distribution of crack and heroin, which occurs in violent markets controlled by armed gangs.
Hahahahaha that was so funny the way Reihan was like INDEED over the shoes comment!
If you would like to pen a Policy by which you would encourage good behavior then you must make the device first optional. Then you must subsidize the good behavior. A type of policy which is only currently offered to corporations mostly.
Taxing alcohol more just gives it a greater coolfactor so it increases underaged drinking and the same thing with a minimumage for drinking gives it a greater coolfactor as well
Taxing alcohol would reduce drinking among younger people and heavy drinkers, which is the target demographic.
I agree that the minimum age is what allows for this "forbidden fruit" phenomenon to flourish. However, there has to be a minimum age (18 years old would be good).
amazing interviewer...
Old guy for Prime Minister in England.! He would get my vote. Talking lots of sense there my friend. Very interesting. Thankyou
Woah. This is a really good Podcast!!!
I think the marketing aspect is more about different alcohol brands competing with each other.
If marketing itself is so powerful that it can turn a functional adult into a non-functioning alcoholic, then marketing itself should be regulated.
Great interview.
this guy is brilliant
Very good watch.
Thanks for the replies! You definitely make some good points.
I guess that would really then be an argument then for broad drug legalization.
It does seem to me that the War on Drugs is as much a failure as Prohibition was. And probably much worse.
sick tie.
The only reason this is an issue is that in the US people get sent to jail for being in possession of marijuana. It should be a ticket offense only.
what a great interviewer yo go vice !
Prof. Kleiman was very good. While I don't necessarily agree with his conclusions on policy, he made a very good case and did so without many appeals to authority and minimal appeal to emotion. If he is pushing some kind of agenda, he at least has the modesty to insist that there be data before doing so. This was the first I'd heard of the NoDak DUI program - I hope that gets picked up and adapted in many states. It makes so much sense on multiple levels, and the results speak for themselves
Great listen
Indeed.
Where do I go and apply for Vice, become a cameraman for Vice?
Issue is a small amount of weed gets you high where as a small amount of alcohol does not get you drunk. No one will take a blunt or whatever you call it and only take one puff and then throw it away. Alcohol on the other hand, can be drunk in small and convenient qualities such as a shot or can of beer can and still avoid the negative effects of alcohol.
Reihan Salam is the fucking bawss! Excellent interviewer who seems to do meticulous research and asks great questions. Keep em coming!
Great interviewer
I agree for the most part, but he seems to be under the assumption that only the flower would be used if the crop was industrialized. Thats just not true, there is already a market for everything from oils to clothing
dude, up the base volume of the video please
Legalization is not really a decision until you figure out what kind of legalization we're talking about. There is the public health aspect to address. A licit marijuana industry would depend on and encourage chronic, addicted stoners. Legalization using the free-market alcohol model - with low taxes, aggressive marketing, and low regulation (due to the powerful lobby) - would not be ideal.
That's why Mark Kleiman prefers legalization through consumer-owned coops and a grow-your-own policy.
Go read about the (non-existent) efficacy of prohibition, the harms caused by prohibition, and a "few" other things.
good discussion
Yeah, Reihan Salam is an ideologue from Northern New York elitist think tanks. I totally agree with professors assertions about alcohol regulation.
the only thing I remember from this is the cost will go down to pennies
I would argue that tobacco has a larger effect(or at least equal) on your behavior than cannabis. At least in the fact that when you don't have your tobacco you become extremely stressed and grumpy, and are very likely to take it out on those around you.
EXACTLY. I didn't even catch that.
WHAT DOES ANY OF HIS MESSAGE HAVE AT ALL TO DO WITH LEGALIZING MARIJUANA FOR THE HEMP, MEDICINE, FOOD OR OTHER INDUSTRY?
Rather than just this "getting high" aspect, which really isn't worth spending any time on. It just doesn't make sense.
Joint costs 4 bucks? WHERE?? I am getting in my car.
Uh...no. That's not his stance. I took his drug abuse control policy class at UCLA and he stated that he's in favor of small consumer-owned coops AND a grow-your-own policy.
Fascinating!
I'm not Mormon or Christian Scientist. I tried cigarettes a couple times in high school, got a buzz from booze once during the same period, never tried pot or any other drugs even though, as a life long hard core ski bum and resident of rural Alaska, I've basically been surrounded by pot for most of my life. Coffee, caffeine? Nope. What's the point? I advocate the clean air and pure water lifestyle. I want the real buzz of genuine life experiences via the context of a quality life, not a counterfeit chemical fiction. I won't accept an illusion or a substitute for good, I want the real thing.
I'm still surprised Colorado and Washington legalized recreational pot before California or even Canada.
that price is heavenly beautiful.
EXACTLY. I didn't want to get into this but, here's the honest truth:
Marijuana is made to be used in increasing intervals. To the point where one would effectively be able to utilize a larger amount of THC and CBD's for their comfort and/or requirement.
For instance someone with a naturally higher tolerance or requirement or someone who is treating a very serious illness like a cancer tumor with HEMP oil which has shown curative properties.
You can always count on the VICE Podcast for something great. Even when the rest of the channel is full of weird stuff.
Yeah Reihan Salam is a neo hipster think tank hack. I totally agree with the professors assertions about alcohol regulation.
This dude lights on after dinner.
In America maybe pot can become legal in more states, but here in England, we won't be seeing legalised cannabis anytime soon.
I like the culturalisation of marijuana like passing a joint before dinner one poff each
Wow this man is really interesting!
I don't know.
But can you answer me why is alcohol legal if it is so bad for you?
good stuff!
When you allow a vice fully, price drops, when price drops, people who control the industry do not want that impacting their black market. A problem is that the people who control the vice black markets control the government.
Food for thought tho good job nice piece
This is a great watch. I'm honestly surprised just how much this mirrors my own views on drug use and legalization, esp. when they started talking about the differences between legalizing cannibis and the hallucinogens and MDMA and it's analogues. Just goes to show just how ignorant the typical anti-drug conversations in the US go, I guess. :~/
I wish the UK would just get it's act together like the States in the US have done.
this was great
i love his view, but the one thing that gets me is him talking about the price of a joint. No one buys just joints unless you're 15 or broke. and also, who makes 4/10 joints. if i were to smoke, they'd be 0.5 each
RIP Mark Kleiman
INTERESTING
for the non habitual user with no tolerance. they probably bought a lot of doritos and just one joint lol.
Yep, same thing happened to me mate, trying to quit the cigs at the moment fucking disgusting habit. Look into vaporizers they are the best way to go and use less pot too.
THERE IS NO DEBATE I HAVE THE RGHT TO PUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE IN MY BODY
If you are having too many drinks per day, get a bigger cup.