Agreed. I love how Spock just subtley placed that tracking device on Kirk's shoulder and there was no camera effort to really point it out... it relied on the keen eye of the viewer (or a rewatch) to notice it. Back in the days where the audience was given at least a modicum of respect...
but also it was a Klingon transporter so the blood was on the Klingon ship then the marines beamed back to the enterprise according to the CGI since Klingon transporters are red and federation is blue just saying it's a detail they put in
Amazing and suspenseful sequence. My heart was racing from the first trailer and throughout the whole movie. This was the beloved cast and crew most of us grew up with. There was a lot at stake in many respects. This truly was a masterpiece.
you would think Kirk would have raised shields fucking the frame job up on him and the enterprise because they can beam back on board if the shields are up also, they couldn't have beamed the torpedo's off the enterprise is her shields were up.
Kirk was brilliant in this scene, everyone expected him to react the same way except that he knew that he couldn’t, he knew that this was not his doing and it was a set up of some kind 😊. If he had blown up that ship after the first two torpedoes that he did not fire, he would’ve had a much bigger mess to clean up and explain. He would’ve also have been feeding right into the hands of the perpetrators.
what's funny is how pith etic Klingon investigative techniques never figure stuff like this out it's always the federation or someone else that figures this out even the ferengi are better then the Klingons at figuring shit out most of the time😢😭
The brilliance of this is that Kirk had grown past the “Cowboy Diplomacy” that the badmirals though he would act upon. He trusted his crew. He knew Spock wouldn’t give up on him and he knew what was best for everyone.
The whole thing was anticipated by Spock and Kirk if this scene it to make sense. Spock has a tracker at the ready to tag Kirk. Kirk would never...i mean NEVER...surrender. It is a readaptation of Enterprise Incident but with much more clever 007 style writing. Kirk is even chewing him out for beaming him up 30 seconds too early to get the villian monologuing....Bones is however fine with that decision. Bones, again doesn't know whats going on till midway through. This is one of the most enjoyable screenplays. I wish they had transitionined to the adventures of Captain Sulu in ST7....instead of going with Picard's crew.
@@STho205 Kirk would never surrender in a situation that would put his crew at risk, but he probably did guess that he was being played and that fighting Kronos One was the wrong call. He was also betting that a ship that had just been all but disabled by a sneak attack (and had been on a mission of peace) wouldn't want to go toe-to-toe with the Enterprise, even if they got the first shot. Spock tried to go in Kirk's place onto Kronos One, but Kirk convinced him otherwise and said he was responsible for getting him out of it. Guessing that Kirk might be detained, Spock acted quickly and planted the tracker.
I just love that line, “I will not be the instigator of full scale war on the eve of universal peace!” No matter his distrust of Klingons he was not a warmonger. I think Valeris expected him to go into combat mode immediately not surrender. Destroy the Klingons and ufp goes to war. I think if the war happened at this point the ufp would win since sf had real combat veterans not a bunch of, “Starfleet isn’t a military organization” types.
Win or lose it would have been bloody. Just as if the USSR and the United States had ever escalated to full scale war (which we are currently, no joke, on the eve of happening right now, sad to say.)
@@leonaquilla2547 Yesterday's Enterprise was long after this incident involving the Enterprise C (this is still the A.) In this movie, the Klingon Empire had just suffered a catastrophic accident that was bad enough to bring them to the negotiation table at Khitomer after decades of hostility. If they had gone to war now, they would have been at a disadvantage. Yesterday's Enterprise posits that after the Khitomer Accords, the Klingon Empire regained its strength and eventually reignited its war with the Federation, which had moved away from warfare into more noble pursuits and was caught on the back foot.
My favourite Star Trek movie, it's brilliant with a great story it's like the Star Trek equivalent of when the Cold War ended and everything literally just changed overnight.
I never fully understood why Klingon birds of prey couldn't all fire when cloaked. But I guess it's an old analogy to WW2 submarines that must surface (or at least nearly surface with a periscope) to accurately fire their torpedoes.
Similar principle to the original Romulan BOP, I believe - that the cloaking device simply uses too much power, so a ship has to disengage it before using other powerful systems such as weapons....Mind you, saying that, they can often use their transporters while cloaked, and you'd think they'd use a LOT more power than just launching a torpedo...
You also can not be shielded while cloaked. It uses a lot of energy. I also don't think the Bird of Prey can keep this up for long, just like the Romulans.
I think according to the novelization changs bird of prey was allowed to be cloaked while firing at the cost of its shields due to the amount of energy the cloaking device uses
I pointed that out on another video. I definitely think that she is. Later in the movie when they are replaying the torpedo hit, you see her hit that same button . Whether that's the equivalent of an enter button or the button to fire a torpedo, I'm not sure. But I think that's when she's doing that. Before that, all computers say that they haven't fired.
I know exactly what you mean I was a little kid when I saw this in the theater and I remember playing a lot of Star Trek games on my old computer. many of them with just little pixels representing the d7s but this is exactly what I pictured whenever one appeared in front of my ship....
@@chrispeplinski7306 I think you mean Gorkon. But you're right. He played in a lot of stuff. He was the asshole in Titanic who left Leonardo DiCaprio to drown.
My roommate and I have just watched up to "Final Frontier". She had never seen Star Trek so I explain stuff as we go. Vulcans have copper in their blood instead of iron so they bleed green. Then in "Final Frontier" we see the birth of Spock. My roommate pointed at Amanda Grayson and said: "Red blood!" "What?" "Vulcans have green blood, so that's a mistake!" "No, Spock is half human, that's his mother, Amanda Grayson, and that is his father, Sarek." And then Sarek says he is disappointed that Spock is so human. She really was paying attention and not just staring at the screen. Maybe a keeper? Maybe.
0:48 Looked like Chancellor Gorkon was almost having fun. It was hard to not shed a tear at the end, at least Spock put a twist in there. Definitely one of the Top 3 for me.
I love how Spock just subtley placed that tracking device on Kirk's shoulder and there was no camera effort to really point it out... it relied on the keen eye of the viewer (or a rewatch) to notice it.
@@chrispeplinski7306 What got me kinda confused was when Spock put his hand on Kirk's shoulder. I thought I've never seen him do that. And the tracking device was even more subtle, because it was rather small. 🤷🏻♂️
4:12 - funny how all we Trekkies joke about Kirk shooting first and asking questions later - but, in one of the most important choices of his entire career, he kept his weapon sheathed
Fun fact, the reason the Klingon blood is pinkish is because making it red would’ve upped the age rating. Because depicting horrible murder is fine as long as the blood doesn’t look human apparently.
General Chang: Have you not a shred of decency in you, Kirk? We come in peace, and you blatantly defile that peace. For that, I shall blow you out of the stars! Captain Kirk: We haven't fired. Mr. Spock: Captain, according to our databanks, we have. Twice. Lt. Valeris: Captain, they're coming about.
I liked Startrek 6 "the undiscovered country" well enough. But still, the best TOS movies were Startrek 1 (the motion picture) and Startrek 2 (the wrath of Khan).
You have to get the companion novel by Gene Roddenberry, not the novelization, for Motion Picture. It explains everything. Every glare, every smile, every uncomfortable adjustment of position. It even explains why TOS and is put together and told in the way we know it.
I agree, but as a 'ship guy' I have to also highlight Star Trek III - that movie gave us the Oberth Class, the Klingon BOP and, of course, the EXCELSIOR! Plus it gave us the 'Stealing the Enterprise' scene, which remains one of my all time favorite movie scenes of ANY film. What really gets me about it, is that we essentially spend 3 minutes just watching the Enterprise reverse out of Spacedock. What should be a relatively mundane experience was transformed into something truly memorable by the fantastic acting, direction, pacing and of course that incredible score by James Horner.
Chang is Gorkons Chief of Staff, and probably nominally in charge of Kronos 1. He would have been receiving the reports and had a better picture of what the hell happened. All Gorkon knew was that something impacted the ship, and the gravity failed.
My own head-canon is that Gorkon knew (or at least suspected) that Chang had betrayed him. It also fits well with his last words to Kirk being “Don’t let it end this way.” I doubt he’d say that to the man he thought had betrayed and murdered him
I'm old enough to remember when they used that line in the TV ads for the movie's release. It was such a gut punch. What terrible thing has forced Kirk to surrender?! In full context it is a brilliant bit of character. They even cut to Spock's reaction right after to show how despite Spock's genius, it sometimes takes a different kind of genius to think of a solution.
Years later I realized that AFTER gravity is restored on Kronos 1, we see General Chang on the Enterprise's view screen pretending to be in zero G, "floating" and "holding on"
@@Willigula No, because he was present on Kronos One literally seconds after Kirk arrives, and he didn't beam in - he's guarding the body of Gorkon. It's ok to be wrong about stuff - just be gracious when you're corrected.
When I first saw it, I thought it was really bad production. When they later specified that it was klingon blood, I figured it made sense. It tied together when Colonel West gets killed.
Is it just me, or did Spock put a hand on Kirk with a look of, maybe I’ll just neck pinch him and countermand his orders, and decided in the end to just trust Kirk.
Look at that same shoulder when Kirk turns around. Spock placed a locator patch so he could keep an eye on him, later used to beam him out of Rura Penthe.
Load yield or not, without shields, you are done. An old style nuclear warhead explosion at 100 meters caused the Enterprise to a 45-degree position, and they had their shields up!
Well this was espionage and sabotage from the highest levels in starfleet and Klingon high command so they probably planned and figured out a way to get around that without anyone knowing
1:02 If you look at the reflection in the panel as Scotty says "Negative, Captain" you'll see his mouth moves after he's spoken. Small editing mistake, still a great scene
Kirk should have heeded Chekov's suggestion to raise shields. Was the Enterprise not at least a match for the Klingon ship as far as weaponry and shields? That's what I would have done.
I assumed that the Enterprise could have fought off Kronos One or at least escaped, but Kirk realized that this was the best way to mitigate the fallout to the Federation and do his best to defuse what he may have already realized was a conspiracy.
Just thinking - do they not have a voice recorder on the bridge (like the cockpit voice recorder on an airliner?). If so, it would have been useful evidence in their favpur at the trial.
The UFP, and by extension Starfleet, does put a fair bit of emphasis on liberty and mutual trust. 24/7 surveillance runs contrary to that, so it is likely that they have an aversion to run surveillance unless warranted. Plenty of instances in the various shows where people are surprised that someone is missing from the ship and only order specific monitoring then. Also, I don't think the footage from the bridge would've helped. Kirk acting surprised could easily be dismissed as acting, and ultimately a moot point: as the Captain he was responsible for the entire crew - in that Chang was (technically) correct at the trial.
It wouldn't have made any difference. I'm sure Gorkon had a lot of enemies in the Klingon High Council. His untimely death was convenient. And if they also get to nail the hated Kirk, 2 birds with one stone! They don't WANT to know who really killed him.
I hate how they made the Klingons’ blood pinkish purple in this. Why didn’t the phasers cauterize their wounds? That would just as easily have prevented an r-rating. This movie is still great, though.
I believe later in the movie they wanted to prove that the attempted assassination of the federation president was not carried out by Klingons but carried out by humans. It's a scene that is in the director's cut , I believe, Colonel Worf and the CinC of Starfleet go to check on the Klingon assassin who attempted to assassinate the federation president. Colonel Worf looks at the red blood and says " this is not Klingon blood". Which makes them see if he's wearing a mask and discovered that it's Colonel West that attempted the assassination, dressed up as a Klingon
@@gobblox38 Alien blood can be pink. It’s just that Klingons are a warrior race. Pink doesn’t feel like an intimidating blood color for them. Typical red and maybe a unique black, now that’s intimidating.
@@amike151 pink used to be a masculine color. Besides, it's meant to stay inside. Black blood would be cool, in a creepy way. Now I'm wanting to see aliens with all kinds of blood color. Yellow, orange, purple, brown, and various shades.
Kirk was fortunate that the Klingons didn't immediately board and capture the Enterprise when they surrendered which is what usually happens. Which would have meant the deaths or enslavement of the entire crew.
@@seanwebb605Yes, I'm aware, thanks. I saw the movie a quarter century ago. But still, it has been said multiple times in the TV shows and movies that Klingons don't take prisoners. Kirk himself has said this.
@@stargazer7644 Yes. They have been incredibly inconsistent in that regard. But in this very movie Kirk and McCoy are taken prisoners, given a show trial and taken to a prison. With other prisoners of the Klingon Empire. They are known for not taking prisoners. Yet throughout the universe everyone knows of this brutal Klingon prison.
James Doohan participated in the D-Day invasion of Normandy and was shot 6 times by friendly fire. His right middle finger had to be amputated as a result.
Question - I taped this movie off of HBO years ago and still have that tape. I purchased the DVD and the parts with Colonel West have been edited out. If you don’t remember, Colonel West advised the president of the Federation that the Klingons could be defeated. Later, when the “Klingon“ fired at the President of the Federation Scotty fired a phaser at him, and he fell through the glass to his death. They found he was covered in red blood not Klingon blood. When they pulled the mask off, they found it was colonel West. Is there anyway to get an unedited version of the DVD?
Some writer had to be paid by the word. All this dialog about who fired. Inventory says all the torpedos were accounted for, Scotty said they were VISUALLY accounted for. Shouldn't take a bridge full of Academy graduates to still be speculating and guessing and denying if they fired or not.
That happens later. Here, inventory says all their torpedoes were there but the computer log said they fired. By the time they actually visually checked all the torpedoes to confirm they hadn't fired it was hours later and by then it was too late. But that's why they hang around the area trying to catch the conspirators instead of going home as ordered because they knew by then something had to be screwy and the logs had been altered.
There is no way Spock would have a viridian patch on his person. Something is amiss. Scotty says all photons are accounted for, and then Spock says we did fire in front of Chang. Spock and Kirk expect traitors in a deleted scene? I am sure Klingon photons have a different signature than Federation starships. Kirk and Spock know something before this "attack."
Considering that rogue elements of both Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force are involved, I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that the torpedoes Chang's BoP uses may be stolen Federation ones.
Scotty checked the torpedo room logs, which were all accounted for, however the next time you see the bridge crew, you will notice the Traitor at the Con entering a code, by which point the next instance you see Spock, the screen behind suddenly shows Two red indicators, which are the tampered Torpedo logs.
A possible clue that Commander Chang was in on the conspiracy was thar, even AFTER the gravity had been restored on the Klingon ship (3:33), we still see him floating and holding on to the railing (3:36) as he screams at Kirk, "Have you not a shred of decency in you, Kirk?" Also, he never was with the Chancellor this time. Or was that just an editing issue?
He was, there were a group of people who did not want peace, they wanted war to keep going as if peace had been achieved (which in the end it did), they wouldn't be able to kill whoever they wanted. The only known accomplices were - Admiral Cartwright, General Chang, Lt Valeris, Ambassador Nanclus and Colonel West
@@GenGamesUniverse We're all aware of that. What they are saying is that the ship had restored gravity and was ready to attack the Enterprise by Kang was still floating as if the artificial gravity hadn't been restored. That seems to be a continuity error. The editing sequence may have changed.
Chang was aboard Kronos with the chancellor as they returned together after dinner on the Enterprise. He planned it all out because his Bird of Prey was a prototype that can fire while cloaked. They fired the torpedoes at Kronos while hiding below the Enterprise
Did Scotty not ay that according to inventory/databank they did NOT fire then Spock says oh but we did!!!??? So which is it???!!! Also the torpedo's were RED!!!???
😮 The photon torpedo's that the enterprise and enterprise a had in the films ,except for The first one were made by beltesha missile systems, Specifically their mark six torpedo. That's why they were red. In the first movie they were morris magtronics FP-4 Type torpedo's.
@@WizzdummHeadley someone altered the databank entry for two photon torpedoes, because the screen up on the bridge said two were fired but the computer in the torpedo Bay (the one Scotty was using, told him they were still fully loaded.
The Bird of Prey that fired the shot doesn't have phasers. It was trying to frame Enterprise for the attack and thus limited the shot to just torpedoes.
One of the best. Christopher Plummer was the best as. Klingon. See the battle cruiser turn around ready to engage gave me goosebumps. All the new woke trek is garbage.
A major plot hole that no one has been able to explain to my satisfaction is that Klingons did not use photon torpedoes on their ships, they used disrupters. So they built this ship with all design specs for a photon torpedo launcher AFTER Praxis exploded? Come on man…
Klingon's had been using Photon Torpedo's as well all along. They used them in TMP against V'Ger and Kruge's Bird of Prey used them to destroy Grissom and cripple the original Enterprise. Disruptors are the guns on the wings of their ships which are their equivalent of phasers. The only real discrepancy is that Klingon torpedoes are usually yellow/green vs the Federations Red torpedoes (though in TMP they were the opposite) but they presumably could have been using Federation style torpedoes to better sell that Enterprise fired.
The hearing impaired also don't get the sound effects of the second torpedo being shot and the impact. So it makes sense to describe what we can hear beyond the dialogue.
How stupid this looks after so many years, no one is prepared for anything that might happen, no one at their stations duh, klingons don't have mag boots as backup duh
This is by FAR my favorite Trek movie. The mood, the plot, the mystery, the political intrigue, all of it. Amazing film!
It has a faster pace than WOK.
Khan still the best
The music is an integral part, just like First Contact and Wrath of Khan
@@Forge17 Yeah, awesome score on this one.
I like it because it's the perfect bridge between TOS and TNG.
I love that if you look carefully you can actually see Spock put the tracking patch on Kirk in this scene, so it isn't an asspull later.
It's all the little things that make a story work or fail.
Agreed. I love how Spock just subtley placed that tracking device on Kirk's shoulder and there was no camera effort to really point it out... it relied on the keen eye of the viewer (or a rewatch) to notice it. Back in the days where the audience was given at least a modicum of respect...
You would think bones immediately behind Kirk would say wtf is stuck on your shoulder?
@@NeonVisual 😆
Surprised kirks batch wasn't noticed by the klingons
Incredible that this was done in 1991. All the floating objects and sfx.
but also it was a Klingon transporter so the blood was on the Klingon ship then the marines beamed back to the enterprise according to the CGI since Klingon transporters are red and federation is blue just saying it's a detail they put in
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Which Marines? Burke and Samno were no Marines.
Rest in peace, David Warner.
There are four lights!! 💡💡💡💡
@@bingeMAFIA Thank you. I KNEW that face was familiar from another Star Trek episode.
@@Joe_Okey He was also in Star Trek V. I wouldn't blame anyone for forgetting that since many people seem to want to forget that movie altogether.
@@Vejitatheoujifor good reason
Amazing and suspenseful sequence. My heart was racing from the first trailer and throughout the whole movie.
This was the beloved cast and crew most of us grew up with. There was a lot at stake in many respects.
This truly was a masterpiece.
you would think Kirk would have raised shields fucking the frame job up on him and the enterprise because they can beam back on board if the shields are up also, they couldn't have beamed the torpedo's off the enterprise is her shields were up.
Wrath of Khan gets all the love (because it's a great film), but The Undiscovered Country is my favorite OG Trek film.
Kirk was brilliant in this scene, everyone expected him to react the same way except that he knew that he couldn’t, he knew that this was not his doing and it was a set up of some kind 😊. If he had blown up that ship after the first two torpedoes that he did not fire, he would’ve had a much bigger mess to clean up and explain. He would’ve also have been feeding right into the hands of the perpetrators.
what's funny is how pith etic Klingon investigative techniques never figure stuff like this out it's always the federation or someone else that figures this out even the ferengi are better then the Klingons at figuring shit out most of the time😢😭
"Illuminati" perpetrators (just elites wanting war and chaos, no doubt).
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue klingons do not consider investigating anything an honorable endeavour. lazy space bums.
@@SaraMorgan-ym6uelike cops
@@kbanghart yeah lie your buddies the cops are better to at figuring shit out then the Klingons🤣
The brilliance of this is that Kirk had grown past the “Cowboy Diplomacy” that the badmirals though he would act upon. He trusted his crew. He knew Spock wouldn’t give up on him and he knew what was best for everyone.
The whole thing was anticipated by Spock and Kirk if this scene it to make sense. Spock has a tracker at the ready to tag Kirk. Kirk would never...i mean NEVER...surrender.
It is a readaptation of Enterprise Incident but with much more clever 007 style writing. Kirk is even chewing him out for beaming him up 30 seconds too early to get the villian monologuing....Bones is however fine with that decision.
Bones, again doesn't know whats going on till midway through.
This is one of the most enjoyable screenplays. I wish they had transitionined to the adventures of Captain Sulu in ST7....instead of going with Picard's crew.
@@STho205 Kirk would never surrender in a situation that would put his crew at risk, but he probably did guess that he was being played and that fighting Kronos One was the wrong call. He was also betting that a ship that had just been all but disabled by a sneak attack (and had been on a mission of peace) wouldn't want to go toe-to-toe with the Enterprise, even if they got the first shot. Spock tried to go in Kirk's place onto Kronos One, but Kirk convinced him otherwise and said he was responsible for getting him out of it. Guessing that Kirk might be detained, Spock acted quickly and planted the tracker.
The Zero G effects are so well executed.
I just love that line, “I will not be the instigator of full scale war on the eve of universal peace!” No matter his distrust of Klingons he was not a warmonger. I think Valeris expected him to go into combat mode immediately not surrender. Destroy the Klingons and ufp goes to war. I think if the war happened at this point the ufp would win since sf had real combat veterans not a bunch of, “Starfleet isn’t a military organization” types.
Win or lose it would have been bloody. Just as if the USSR and the United States had ever escalated to full scale war (which we are currently, no joke, on the eve of happening right now, sad to say.)
Considering the economic problems the Klingons were having after Praxis exploded, the Federation would've easily won if there was a war
Yesterday's Enterprise implies otherwise.
@@leonaquilla2547 Yesterday's Enterprise was long after this incident involving the Enterprise C (this is still the A.) In this movie, the Klingon Empire had just suffered a catastrophic accident that was bad enough to bring them to the negotiation table at Khitomer after decades of hostility. If they had gone to war now, they would have been at a disadvantage. Yesterday's Enterprise posits that after the Khitomer Accords, the Klingon Empire regained its strength and eventually reignited its war with the Federation, which had moved away from warfare into more noble pursuits and was caught on the back foot.
My favourite Star Trek movie, it's brilliant with a great story it's like the Star Trek equivalent of when the Cold War ended and everything literally just changed overnight.
It came out the same year as the collapse of the Soviet Union, so that’s no surprise.
I never fully understood why Klingon birds of prey couldn't all fire when cloaked. But I guess it's an old analogy to WW2 submarines that must surface (or at least nearly surface with a periscope) to accurately fire their torpedoes.
Similar principle to the original Romulan BOP, I believe - that the cloaking device simply uses too much power, so a ship has to disengage it before using other powerful systems such as weapons....Mind you, saying that, they can often use their transporters while cloaked, and you'd think they'd use a LOT more power than just launching a torpedo...
You also can not be shielded while cloaked. It uses a lot of energy. I also don't think the Bird of Prey can keep this up for long, just like the Romulans.
@@calamitysi Exactly. That TOS episode balance of power. 🖖
I think according to the novelization changs bird of prey was allowed to be cloaked while firing at the cost of its shields due to the amount of energy the cloaking device uses
@@chrispeplinski7306 standard ships have no shields while cloaked
3:45 for that..I SHALL BLOW YOU OUT OF THE STARS !! what a line
1:42 In retrospect I think we're seeing Valeris enter in the shots being fired into the databanks.
Also, I love that the sound of the K'tinga at 3:06 it sounds like a wounded animal.
I pointed that out on another video. I definitely think that she is. Later in the movie when they are replaying the torpedo hit, you see her hit that same button . Whether that's the equivalent of an enter button or the button to fire a torpedo, I'm not sure. But I think that's when she's doing that. Before that, all computers say that they haven't fired.
Also the idea back in the 90's that futuristic equals more screens then their are bridge crew to look them is great.
You should see my triple monitor workstation. All 4k 40" studio displays.
I never liked touchscreen keyboards. Buttons are timeless.
I agree. There was one portion of the bridge that I liked even more. It was on the Excelsior. The Master Situation map that was behind Sulu.
Every screen has a purpose, every button a function.
Please write that again in English.
4:17 what a site to have bearing down on you! Love the k'tinga design its timeless!
I know exactly what you mean I was a little kid when I saw this in the theater and I remember playing a lot of Star Trek games on my old computer. many of them with just little pixels representing the d7s but this is exactly what I pictured whenever one appeared in front of my ship....
RIP David Warner
Yep. He was the guy who played the Cardassian Gul who tortured Picard in that 2 part TNG episode.
He also played talbot in final frontier and Gordon in undiscovered country
@@chrispeplinski7306 I think you mean Gorkon. But you're right. He played in a lot of stuff. He was the asshole in Titanic who left Leonardo DiCaprio to drown.
@@jacksonheathen2092 I did mean to say gorkon. I remember him in titanic as well. Even his reporter role in the original omen movie too
He also had a great role in Time After Time, which co-starred Malcolm “Dr. Soran” McDowell and was Nicholas Meyer’s directorial debut.
This was a FANTASTIC movie~! I love it. Better than almost all the crap coming out now combined. Thanks for the upload~! 👍
My roommate and I have just watched up to "Final Frontier".
She had never seen Star Trek so I explain stuff as we go.
Vulcans have copper in their blood instead of iron so they bleed green.
Then in "Final Frontier" we see the birth of Spock.
My roommate pointed at Amanda Grayson and said: "Red blood!"
"What?"
"Vulcans have green blood, so that's a mistake!"
"No, Spock is half human, that's his mother, Amanda Grayson, and that is his father, Sarek."
And then Sarek says he is disappointed that Spock is so human.
She really was paying attention and not just staring at the screen.
Maybe a keeper? Maybe.
If you look closely you can see when the false "firing records" were placed in the logs. Its subtle thing during the chaos. 1:38
Crap, never thought of this. She presses the same "fire" button too you see later with the homing torpedo.
1:00 "We're still fully loaded" -- coming from Scotty - (at the time) that really threw a curve-ball into the understanding of what's going on.
Boom 🎉
😂😂😂😂
0:48 Looked like Chancellor Gorkon was almost having fun.
It was hard to not shed a tear at the end, at least Spock put a twist in there. Definitely one of the Top 3 for me.
I love how Spock just subtley placed that tracking device on Kirk's shoulder and there was no camera effort to really point it out... it relied on the keen eye of the viewer (or a rewatch) to notice it.
@@calamitysi Honestly, it took me FOREVER to notice that. But I finally did. Lol
@@Richard74205 😅
It took me a long time as well to realize the patch
@@chrispeplinski7306 What got me kinda confused was when Spock put his hand on Kirk's shoulder. I thought I've never seen him do that. And the tracking device was even more subtle, because it was rather small. 🤷🏻♂️
4:12 - funny how all we Trekkies joke about Kirk shooting first and asking questions later - but, in one of the most important choices of his entire career, he kept his weapon sheathed
That D7 took that Photon Torpedo with shields down like a champ. Very impressive.
considering the punch those shots packed, it's notable that the ship didn't crack right in half
Thought it was a K'Tinga Battleship, not a D7 Cruiser.
@@AximandTheCursed I thought that K'Tinga was the name for the D7.
@@hybridous Similar basic design, but different weight classes, similar to the way the B'Rel and K'Vort are.
That was the Chancellors ship, the Klingon equivelant of Air Force One...thats no standard battlecruiser
4:53 Spock being sneaky.
OMG I actually never picked up on that haha
Spock was logical, too.
Yeah, what was that? At first I thought he'd give him a pinch.
Did he plant a bug on him or something?
Damn Daft Punk is cold.
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Kirk: We haven't fired.
Spock: According to our data banks we have.
Was that really the best time to bring that up Spock?
He had too inform him
R.I.P., Nichelle Nichols and David Warner
And Leonard Nimoy & Deforest Kelley as well.
@@scottdecker9115 And Jimmy Doohan.
@@mikebasil4832 Indeed.
And Christopher plummer.
Very unobtrusive the way Spock placed the transponder signal on Kirks's uniform. 😂
I've always liked that "WTF" look from Kirk and the crew after the first torpedo shot hits.
I bet the continuity director loved having all those digital clocks on the bridge!
2:34 (Halo announcer voice) ASSASSINATION!
Whether it's the wrath of khan or this film, if Spock says 'perhaps you're right', watch out!
Worst product placement for Pepto Bismol ever
😂 I guess it was a better choice than Maalox. Maybe that is why they eat Gagh and all other kinds of Klingon Culinary Delights. Lol
Fun fact, the reason the Klingon blood is pinkish is because making it red would’ve upped the age rating.
Because depicting horrible murder is fine as long as the blood doesn’t look human apparently.
Interesting! Thank you for sharing!
Artificial gravity really should have a setting to come back gradually, so that everyone and everything that's drifted "up" doesn't get smashed.
General Chang: Have you not a shred of decency in you, Kirk? We come in peace, and you blatantly defile that peace. For that, I shall blow you out of the stars!
Captain Kirk: We haven't fired.
Mr. Spock: Captain, according to our databanks, we have. Twice.
Lt. Valeris: Captain, they're coming about.
Yep. He was kind of a dick who liked to hear himself talk. 🖖
“We surrender!”
I remember rolling my eyes at Spock when I first saw this: “shut up, you idiot” 🤣🤣🤣
Kirk's genius here in surrendering cannot be overstated.
I liked Startrek 6 "the undiscovered country" well enough. But still, the best TOS movies were Startrek 1 (the motion picture) and Startrek 2 (the wrath of Khan).
You have to get the companion novel by Gene Roddenberry, not the novelization, for Motion Picture.
It explains everything.
Every glare, every smile, every uncomfortable adjustment of position.
It even explains why TOS and is put together and told in the way we know it.
I agree, but as a 'ship guy' I have to also highlight Star Trek III - that movie gave us the Oberth Class, the Klingon BOP and, of course, the EXCELSIOR! Plus it gave us the 'Stealing the Enterprise' scene, which remains one of my all time favorite movie scenes of ANY film. What really gets me about it, is that we essentially spend 3 minutes just watching the Enterprise reverse out of Spacedock. What should be a relatively mundane experience was transformed into something truly memorable by the fantastic acting, direction, pacing and of course that incredible score by James Horner.
1:27 I always wondered why Gorkon said 'Find Chang' here, as if he suspected he was behind the attack.
Chang is Gorkons Chief of Staff, and probably nominally in charge of Kronos 1. He would have been receiving the reports and had a better picture of what the hell happened. All Gorkon knew was that something impacted the ship, and the gravity failed.
My own head-canon is that Gorkon knew (or at least suspected) that Chang had betrayed him. It also fits well with his last words to Kirk being “Don’t let it end this way.” I doubt he’d say that to the man he thought had betrayed and murdered him
Damn good movie.
Love how he says we surrender. Only shatner can pull that off
I'm old enough to remember when they used that line in the TV ads for the movie's release. It was such a gut punch. What terrible thing has forced Kirk to surrender?!
In full context it is a brilliant bit of character. They even cut to Spock's reaction right after to show how despite Spock's genius, it sometimes takes a different kind of genius to think of a solution.
Years later I realized that AFTER gravity is restored on Kronos 1, we see General Chang on the Enterprise's view screen pretending to be in zero G, "floating" and "holding on"
well, no, he was on Kronos One at the time - most likely on the Bridge.
Nope he was on the BoP that was hidden under E that fired the shots. This image was our clue up front that he was involved.
@@Willigula No, because he was present on Kronos One literally seconds after Kirk arrives, and he didn't beam in - he's guarding the body of Gorkon. It's ok to be wrong about stuff - just be gracious when you're corrected.
0:10 the unstabalized camera-movement is so important and so essential for this szene.
It let the audience feel the upcoming 'panic' of the crew.
I like when Spoke retreads the line he used in #2 (perhaps you're right) and then places his hand on Kirk with the intention of using the Vulcan grip.
Ok so now I have to watch the "Undiscovered Country" again.
I would have thought by the 23rd century they'd have forensics that could figure out where they beamed to and cameras to record everything .
The Klingon getting his arm shot off by a phaser will always be one of the more gruesome scenes in Star Trek....
Gotta love the Pepto bismuth blood
When I first saw it, I thought it was really bad production. When they later specified that it was klingon blood, I figured it made sense. It tied together when Colonel West gets killed.
Have you travelled abroad and eaten unfamiliar foods? It can do a job on your digestive system.
You'd think that Klingons couldn't possibly have fit into those tiny space suits.
Especially with Burke and Samno already inside said suits.
They didn't. The assassins were human.
They nearly killed the franchise with V, redeemed themselves with VI, and photon torpedoed it into oblivion with Generations.
1:50 light goes for a spin
The best Star Trek-Movie. ❤
One of Trek's biggest WTF moments!
Mein Lieblings Star Trek 😊
Those Klingons acts like they have never been in zero G before.
Looks like they carried nearly a 100 torpedoes compared to the enterprise d carrying 250.
Kronos One. Uncle Benny, Lethal Weapon.
The Klingons losing their guns is the most unrealistic scene in the movie
You'd think a space fairing species that values combat would design a better holster.
What Star Trek should be like.
Such a shame the new movies absolutely sucked. Khan was the hero in the new movie. And obviously so.
Is it just me, or did Spock put a hand on Kirk with a look of, maybe I’ll just neck pinch him and countermand his orders, and decided in the end to just trust Kirk.
Look at that same shoulder when Kirk turns around. Spock placed a locator patch so he could keep an eye on him, later used to beam him out of Rura Penthe.
No, silly.
A Klingon battle cruiser would not have survived a photon torpedo at point blank range.
Agreed, and they got hit with two! Maybe low yield?
Yes sir, but you did not answer my 2nd post. @@Audioholics
I thought it was the cloaked Klingon ship that was firing from under the enterprise?? Unless they have photon torpedoes similar to the federation
Starfleet weapons are different and have there own signature. @@jaklinhyde
Load yield or not, without shields, you are done. An old style nuclear warhead explosion at 100 meters caused the Enterprise to a 45-degree position, and they had their shields up!
My biggest question would be why didn't someone notice the transporter being used without permission?
Well this was espionage and sabotage from the highest levels in starfleet and Klingon high command so they probably planned and figured out a way to get around that without anyone knowing
The Klingon home world is spelled 'Qo'noS'.
1:02 If you look at the reflection in the panel as Scotty says "Negative, Captain" you'll see his mouth moves after he's spoken. Small editing mistake, still a great scene
Valeris should've winked after she said "direct hit!"
And give herself away in an instant.
Only thing I didn’t like was the pink blood, but otherwise one of the greatest scenes in any Trek. One of the best scenes in sci fi ever.
Kirk should have heeded Chekov's suggestion to raise shields. Was the Enterprise not at least a match for the Klingon ship as far as weaponry and shields?
That's what I would have done.
I assumed that the Enterprise could have fought off Kronos One or at least escaped, but Kirk realized that this was the best way to mitigate the fallout to the Federation and do his best to defuse what he may have already realized was a conspiracy.
They could have but that would have definitely ruined the peace talks for good, which Kirk did not want to risk.
Whatever you do don't lose your coat!
Just thinking - do they not have a voice recorder on the bridge (like the cockpit voice recorder on an airliner?). If so, it would have been useful evidence in their favpur at the trial.
Or security cameras on the torpedo tubes.
Oh. My. God. You're right. I guess they should've thrown in a line about the cameras not working or something - implying a sabotage - Epstein style
The UFP, and by extension Starfleet, does put a fair bit of emphasis on liberty and mutual trust. 24/7 surveillance runs contrary to that, so it is likely that they have an aversion to run surveillance unless warranted. Plenty of instances in the various shows where people are surprised that someone is missing from the ship and only order specific monitoring then.
Also, I don't think the footage from the bridge would've helped. Kirk acting surprised could easily be dismissed as acting, and ultimately a moot point: as the Captain he was responsible for the entire crew - in that Chang was (technically) correct at the trial.
It wouldn't have made any difference. I'm sure Gorkon had a lot of enemies in the Klingon High Council. His untimely death was convenient. And if they also get to nail the hated Kirk, 2 birds with one stone! They don't WANT to know who really killed him.
I always feel like some strawberry yogurt after watching this scene
I hate how they made the Klingons’ blood pinkish purple in this. Why didn’t the phasers cauterize their wounds? That would just as easily have prevented an r-rating. This movie is still great, though.
I believe later in the movie they wanted to prove that the attempted assassination of the federation president was not carried out by Klingons but carried out by humans.
It's a scene that is in the director's cut , I believe, Colonel Worf and the CinC of Starfleet go to check on the Klingon assassin who attempted to assassinate the federation president. Colonel Worf looks at the red blood and says " this is not Klingon blood". Which makes them see if he's wearing a mask and discovered that it's Colonel West that attempted the assassination, dressed up as a Klingon
@@AdmBerner I know that scene. It’s just that pinkish purple isn’t a really intimidating blood color for a warrior race.
I thought it was a nice touch. Why can't alien blood be pink? Vulcan blood is green. Andorian blood is blue.
@@gobblox38 Alien blood can be pink. It’s just that Klingons are a warrior race. Pink doesn’t feel like an intimidating blood color for them. Typical red and maybe a unique black, now that’s intimidating.
@@amike151 pink used to be a masculine color. Besides, it's meant to stay inside. Black blood would be cool, in a creepy way.
Now I'm wanting to see aliens with all kinds of blood color. Yellow, orange, purple, brown, and various shades.
Kirk was fortunate that the Klingons didn't immediately board and capture the Enterprise when they surrendered which is what usually happens. Which would have meant the deaths or enslavement of the entire crew.
Klingons don't take prisoners.
@@stargazer7644 They took Kirk and McCoy as prisoners. They sent them to a prison camp.
@@seanwebb605Yes, I'm aware, thanks. I saw the movie a quarter century ago. But still, it has been said multiple times in the TV shows and movies that Klingons don't take prisoners. Kirk himself has said this.
@@stargazer7644 Yes. They have been incredibly inconsistent in that regard. But in this very movie Kirk and McCoy are taken prisoners, given a show trial and taken to a prison. With other prisoners of the Klingon Empire. They are known for not taking prisoners. Yet throughout the universe everyone knows of this brutal Klingon prison.
One wonders why the Klingons (or anyone in Star Trek) doesn't have any protocols for handling these sorts of situations.
James Doohan participated in the D-Day invasion of Normandy and was shot 6 times by friendly fire. His right middle finger had to be amputated as a result.
Question - I taped this movie off of HBO years ago and still have that tape. I purchased the DVD and the parts with Colonel West have been edited out. If you don’t remember, Colonel West advised the president of the Federation that the Klingons could be defeated. Later, when the “Klingon“ fired at the President of the Federation Scotty fired a phaser at him, and he fell through the glass to his death. They found he was covered in red blood not Klingon blood. When they pulled the mask off, they found it was colonel West. Is there anyway to get an unedited version of the DVD?
Some writer had to be paid by the word. All this dialog about who fired. Inventory says all the torpedos were accounted for, Scotty said they were VISUALLY accounted for. Shouldn't take a bridge full of Academy graduates to still be speculating and guessing and denying if they fired or not.
That happens later. Here, inventory says all their torpedoes were there but the computer log said they fired. By the time they actually visually checked all the torpedoes to confirm they hadn't fired it was hours later and by then it was too late. But that's why they hang around the area trying to catch the conspirators instead of going home as ordered because they knew by then something had to be screwy and the logs had been altered.
There is no way Spock would have a viridian patch on his person. Something is amiss. Scotty says all photons are accounted for, and then Spock says we did fire in front of Chang. Spock and Kirk expect traitors in a deleted scene? I am sure Klingon photons have a different signature than Federation starships. Kirk and Spock know something before this "attack."
Considering that rogue elements of both Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force are involved, I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that the torpedoes Chang's BoP uses may be stolen Federation ones.
@@FekLeyrTarggiven the conspiracy, the torpedoes were given.
Scotty checked the torpedo room logs, which were all accounted for, however the next time you see the bridge crew, you will notice the Traitor at the Con entering a code, by which point the next instance you see Spock, the screen behind suddenly shows Two red indicators, which are the tampered Torpedo logs.
A possible clue that Commander Chang was in on the conspiracy was thar, even AFTER the gravity had been restored on the Klingon ship (3:33), we still see him floating and holding on to the railing (3:36) as he screams at Kirk, "Have you not a shred of decency in you, Kirk?" Also, he never was with the Chancellor this time.
Or was that just an editing issue?
He was, there were a group of people who did not want peace, they wanted war to keep going as if peace had been achieved (which in the end it did), they wouldn't be able to kill whoever they wanted. The only known accomplices were - Admiral Cartwright, General Chang, Lt Valeris, Ambassador Nanclus and Colonel West
@@GenGamesUniverse We're all aware of that. What they are saying is that the ship had restored gravity and was ready to attack the Enterprise by Kang was still floating as if the artificial gravity hadn't been restored. That seems to be a continuity error. The editing sequence may have changed.
Chang was aboard Kronos with the chancellor as they returned together after dinner on the Enterprise. He planned it all out because his Bird of Prey was a prototype that can fire while cloaked. They fired the torpedoes at Kronos while hiding below the Enterprise
Did Scotty not ay that according to inventory/databank they did NOT fire then Spock says oh but we did!!!??? So which is it???!!! Also the torpedo's were RED!!!???
😮 The photon torpedo's that the enterprise and enterprise a had in the films ,except for The first one were made by beltesha missile systems, Specifically their mark six torpedo. That's why they were red. In the first movie they were morris magtronics FP-4 Type torpedo's.
@@mikegallant811 Well that perhaps answers one question but not the most important one I posed!!!???
@@WizzdummHeadley someone altered the databank entry for two photon torpedoes, because the screen up on the bridge said two were fired but the computer in the torpedo Bay (the one Scotty was using, told him they were still fully loaded.
2:08 owwww my arm!!
Should have fired Phasers too!
The Bird of Prey that fired the shot doesn't have phasers. It was trying to frame Enterprise for the attack and thus limited the shot to just torpedoes.
1:36 Camera shadow
Don't want to be picky but, there is no recoil if you shoot someone in space with a energy weapon.
Why wouldn't there be? Even the light from a flashlight causes recoil.
Qo’nos One…
0:01-0:32
Damage should have shown a Klingon torpedo not Federation
Unless they stole some
One of the best. Christopher Plummer was the best as. Klingon. See the battle cruiser turn around ready to engage gave me goosebumps. All the new woke trek is garbage.
A major plot hole that no one has been able to explain to my satisfaction is that Klingons did not use photon torpedoes on their ships, they used disrupters.
So they built this ship with all design specs for a photon torpedo launcher AFTER Praxis exploded?
Come on man…
Klingon's had been using Photon Torpedo's as well all along. They used them in TMP against V'Ger and Kruge's Bird of Prey used them to destroy Grissom and cripple the original Enterprise. Disruptors are the guns on the wings of their ships which are their equivalent of phasers. The only real discrepancy is that Klingon torpedoes are usually yellow/green vs the Federations Red torpedoes (though in TMP they were the opposite) but they presumably could have been using Federation style torpedoes to better sell that Enterprise fired.
1:22 the shooting starts.
Why are the captions describing the scene? For people who can read but can't generally understand circumstances?
The hearing impaired also don't get the sound effects of the second torpedo being shot and the impact. So it makes sense to describe what we can hear beyond the dialogue.
2:26 well not like a Wilham scream but close
Thankfully no one is blaming Trump on the attack, but it would be funny if the Klingons were all democrats
How stupid this looks after so many years, no one is prepared for anything that might happen, no one at their stations duh, klingons don't have mag boots as backup duh
A Klingon " Bird of Prey" under the Enterprise and firing torpedoes would have activated the ships' deflectors shields. Cloaked or not!
Why? The ship's shields have never activated automatically in any other episode.
Sorry I couldn't watch these cause I am watching the updates from Ukraine from denys
If they made Undiscovered Country in 79 instead of the Motionless Picture, it would have grossed 500 million 🫡