The BEST upgrade for every electric (or gas) car costs only $299
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One has to be VERY careful when replacing a lead-acid battery with any battery that has a BMS. A BMS will make a battery go open circuit when max charging voltage is met or exceeded. Many voltage regulators meant for lead-acid will not be able to control voltage when the load is removed.
My Bolt's 12v battery (lead-acid) has never been a problem, so I wouldn't call it crappy, but I'll remember this video when I need a new one. Looking online just now, I can get a 12v lead-acid battery from Duracell at BatteriesPlus (which has a store nearby) for less than $100 and an LFP battery with a 10 year warranty at WalMart for less than $200, so $300 for a Na-Ion battery doesn't sound like a steal. By the time I need one in a few years, maybe it will be.
The charger regulators aren't suitable for all battery technology. Make sure the car supports other types of batteries.
Lead Acid batteries last in Texas for about 3 years, 6 months. It's the heat.
They run about $160 these days. So this battery would need to last 7 years to break even.
For now, I just mark the date on the battery and replace it when it's over 3 years old and winter is approaching.
Sodium batteries have a large charge to discharge voltage range, the car may not work correctly at lower battery state of charge, also the car charge controller may have problems keeping the battery charged. Be careful.
Depends on the low voltage or cell configuration. 3c sure but 4c should not have any issues.
@@shoestringsev4529
Sodium batteries have a cell operating range of 1.5V to 4.0V .
A 4S battery would the operate between 6.0V to 16.0V.
A 3S battery would the operate between 4.5V to 12.0V.
3S is out, maybe 4S, but not sure the car electronics can handle that voltage range.
Note C is charge/discharge rate, S is number of cells.
As long as the battery voltage range is greater than the car, no battery damage if you drain it. Normal operation should be easier to maintain with greater energy capacity than century old lead battery tech. And it has a BMS! Better cold weather energy. Only a little more expensive than lead. I just don't have a Sodium battery option for my car yet, darn!
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 lead acid can't survive the same low voltage 😅
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If these 12 volt sodium car batteries supposedly last so long, as long as lithium iron phosphate batteries, then why are they only giving a 3-year warranty? See the product picture at 8:35. Very dubious....
My last 12V lasted 13 years in my Outback wagon.
Yeah Viking is bullshitting here, my own small diesel car battery lasted 9 years while being used in harsh conditions (even more with a diesel engine who needs more Amps), and when it died I just had to jump start the car and I was able to drive to a shop and swap it myself for a minimal cost. Lead-acid batteries are perfect for their job for most people, only edge cases would benefit from others options....
Sodium batteries have been used to improve old Priuses that needed new batteries, probably saving a lot of money avoiding the Nickel metal hydride OEM battery
Lead acid batteries are ridiculously priced now as they have mostly doubled in price over the last 5 years....
Maybe you should try shopping around. I'm in UK and paid £120 for a Yuasa YBX9096 5 years ago. I could buy one today for £143
Not only that, but these batteries are also delicious when recycled in a pasta sauce to further the distance one can go!
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Lithium battrties are good on track motorcycles because of the light weight. And the battery is located up high where you don't want the weight. The bike turns in easier.
in winter here, battery warmers are still a thing, helps when temps drop well below 0 degrees
Lead acid can take the heat in any car even in the desert next to the very hot engine.
I think that you are wrong. Just replaced my Tesla low voltage battery. I had to use old battery type. My 2022 M3LR would not support newer battery.
I'd never known about these sodium batteries even as a fan of LFP 12v replacement in anything made to handle it, factory batteries are often horrible cost cutters, Sam is spot on here! I've used LFP in ICE and now EV for better efficiency/lower charging system strain, better stereo, weight savings and not have to worry about it for 10+ years.
Only problem is they only offer them in the TM3/Y, only other sodium I can find is over $300 shipped from China from random Ali brand
Hey Sam, I wouldn't regard $500.00 AUS Dollars as cheap for a 12 volt battery replacement. Because an EV has no need for a high CCA performance you could fit a 12 volt motorcycle battery, and it would be fine. It could be a half or even a quarter the size of a conventional dinosaur car battery. About 2 years ago Tesla changed their model 3 and model y accessory battery to a very tiny 12 volt lithium Ion battery. I didn't make a note of it's specs, but I saw it in Teslal Time News. Even a Toyota Hybrid could use a tiny lithium Ion 12 volt because they don't have a starter either.
It's a 16v battery.
My lead acid batteries last 4 years on avg in the harsh Australian summers in my diesels bonnet. $250 Au for a 4x4 size 850 Cranking Amps, 80 Ah, Can't beat it. Maintenance free one at that. If you get one you can maintain and do it properly they can lasts much longer. Mine looks about 4 times that size though.
In Phoenix AZ batteries fail every 2 years
Mate, if you need extra income to cover medical bills and what not you can contact the manufacturer beforehand and ask if they would like to sponsor you. It's highly likely they would take your offer.
Warning !!!! I have had 12.8v LiFePo4 in my car for 5 years now but the standard charging system needs to be modified.
What modification?
On a hybrid, the on-board charger needs to be fiddled with?
@@bayerbear6770 Modern car charging systems run a de-sulfate cycle on the lead battery. From what I know they bring up the charge voltage to 15v for an hour or so once a week. This may trip the over voltage disconnect on a LiFePo4 battery. The one I am using disconnects at 14.6v.
My crappy 12v lead acid batteries have never really caused me a problem. Australian made, very high recycling. Not funding the CCP.
A 45Ah lead-acid is 60 euros , 55 in places in Europe; now, you talking 299?
Thank you. I have an old gas-powered Civic, and this looks pretty good to me. It's maybe twice the price of lead acid where I am, but looks like it will last 4 or 5 times as long, so it's a win! I like the way you think!
Just had my Tesla 12V replaced today. The Tesla tech said they are constantly coming out to replace aftermarket batteries that are self-installed. After market batteries are based on different chemistries, as the Tesla internal car electronics are the wrong BMS and tend to cause these batteries to fail. Is this a true statement or just a way for Tesla to justify their service?
On a related note, I have a 2021 MY still under warranty, so my cost was $0 for mobile service versus $300-400 + me doing the work for after-market. Makes zero financial sense to go after-market when under warranty.
Tesla cutting out Colbolt was not really because of ethics that can be fixed but too cut down on costs as Colbolt is far more expensive per gram than lithium!
Sounds good but led is not crappy - it's just older technology of car battery. The led alone is a valuable substance that can be sold and shall be recycled.
Li-Na are Brilliant for home Power Generation like Wind and Solar and can be run off a cheap ARM System on Board aka SoB and a simple Terminal Program!
Uh for $300 I can buy three top brand lead acid batteries here in the US. So this is not a savings unless they last over 15 years..... as leads acid last on average 5 to 7 years.
Also key here is can they be jumped from another car or jump device for some reason? The lead acid can be but Tesla's lithium battery cannot be. Tesla's battery can only be "jumped" for 10 seconds in an attempt to give it enough juice to allow the doors to unlock and the car to turn on....allowing the large drive battery to flow current to the small lithium one. Then it has to be replaced or looked at by Tesla service to discover what happened.
All of these factors need to be taken into consideration when you are thinking about putting in a new battery type.
Lead acid lasting 5-7, are you nuts? You're lucky to get 3 years in FL.
@@West_Anderson Ah I'm in Oregon. Last longer here.
Question: So can LFP / NMC / Sodium Batteries..... can they all use the standard alternator and electronics in a ICE car for the charging of the battery? Normally different battery chemistries require different chargers. ALSO: what if you leave your lights on by accident and the Sodium Battery gets fully drained, will that damage the battery? For example in LIPO each cell should never go below 3v or the cell gets damaged. THANKS
Re: fully drained no issue for sodium, part of why it has a longer life.
As to chargers, well for the context of the video the battery shown is programmed for Tesla. If u have another car in mind then adjustments would be likely; assuming they are not selling for your specific model.
I have certainly considered a lifepo4 battery as a replacement but the cranking current is not high enough so it would be interesting to see the sodium ion specs fully.
Maybe the soduim ion battery has a set or single capacitor to help with the surge of power thats needed to start a car engine. The wide voltage range of soduim ion batteries would it be good for the electronics in a car. Maybe im missing something.. however energy storage at home, (40kw at 48volts) send them my way 😊. They can store energy in the day from solar panels, and with a dusk to dawn feature slowly discharge that energy into the main battery for the same. Of cause attention to not over discharging the soduim battery and keeping the voltage of each in mind
I put a lithium battery in my Honda VTR1000 years ago. It didn't like it in the end and wouldn't start the bike. Just didn't have the cranking amps. It was VERY light though.
The lead acid on my 2021 Model Y failed a few months ago. Tesla replaced it no problem. But when I asked about changing to a lithium 12-volt they said it's not possible, because the computer system is programmed specifically to work with the lead acid. Anyone else hear this, and does it sound correct? If so, it'd be the same problem with the sodium, right?
LFP has a pretty flat charge/discharge curve, meaning the voltage stays the same no matter if it's charged to 20% or 80%.
Sodium-Ion works a lot more like lead-acid in this regard. You can pretty much calculate the state of charge based on the voltage.
But a lead-acid battery is very cheap unless you buy it from a premium car brand. Just order one online and change it yourself. It can save you about 2/3 of the cost if you feel confident with this DIY job.
The power company does the same thing here. They stall on replacing your new meter as long as possible. It literally is 30 second job. They're in no hurry to cut their profits.
How would this have any positive upgrade on my current ice vehicle? Very cold winters, and lead acid batteries typically last approx 8 years. So one battery change over life of vehicle...not so bad.
$300 instead of $80? Many will pass.
$300 that lasts 5x as long as the $80 one.
Where do you find a group 24 reliable bsttery for 80 dollars
Great update .. cant wait to dump my lead acid batteries
My lead acid battery died at 44, 000 miles on my 2021 Tesla YPerformance in my garage the day I had to go to work😮 without any warnings!😮 Mobile service came to the house 4 hours later and replaced it under warranty 😊
You can buy a 12V lithium ion phosphate battery in Australia for the same price.
Thank you.
And many EVs come with them in the first place
Is that the battery you put in your BMW then? 🤔
It’s a game changer.
@@javelinXH992
For EVangelist's ICE car? 🤪
Maybe he can’t afford to change, just spent tens of thousands on his wife’s cancer treatments
@@eldictator1
But he just spent a lot on solar.
@@hardi.howdy.983 solar is an investment
My VW e-up had an undersized 40Ah battery I replaced with a 54Ah one but I had to code in the type of Lead acid technology it was to end the battery replacement alarm. The 12v Bms needed to be coded correctly to change to the appropriate profile of charging mode, something like Wet battery to EWFB or something like that, I don’t remember exactly. I used the OBDeleven to code the type of battery, it was a rabbit hole to find the field to change in the app menu.
Jai Hind. We Indians have our own Feradion Sodium battery.
That's very interesting. Are you able to buy them for scooters, e-bikes etc.or are they only selling to car manufacturers? I keep messaging Faradion for somewhere to buy but they never reply 😢
12 volt battery maybe, however solid state battery for the car don’t “exist” yet. Some prototypes do exist. Solid state batteries need a lot more space, because of expending and contacting energy. Lithium ion battery is the best, for now.
2023 Tesla Model Y uses a 16-volt lithium-ion battery, not 12 volt. Honda 12-volt batteries lasted five years compared with three or less for other brands.
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I own a 2017 EV Bolt, and had to replace the 12 volt battery. winter went and killed it.
Love how there is no mention of what the amps or watts are. It’s a 12v battery, what more could you want to know?
I've had a couple of new 12 V ICE car batteries fail. Subaru replaced it without question. Jeep made me break down twice before they replaced it.
My 8 year old Nissan Leaf is doing fine with oryginal 12v battery
Go out and flick the switch on your solar and watch the wheel spin backwards. Just don't go beyond your previous reading.
Im currently usinh Sodium 12v battery for my Mazda cx5.. my BYD Dolphin going to change to 12v sodium soon.
Now this is useful information - great job!
Glad you think so!
I watched a youtube video a couple of weeks ago, slamming these Ohmmu batteries as absolute crap!
My replacement battery was $120... replacing the original that lasted just over 8 years. Why would I spend $300???
Hmm! Technology is great but tried and true is no problem.
299 is quite expensive. On price it is not competitive. My 12V batteries are 50-80 euros in my car.
Apparently the cyberbeast can power a house for 3 days? Does this make it a good alternative to getting batteries installed on your house? If the house is sitting in the driveway 99% of the time anyway. Can you do a video on this??😁
Bloody good batteries
sorry bro, i don't get your point. Here in Europe an averge car battery cost about 100 - 150 USD, your proposal is roughly 2 -3x higher, so we are not talking about price parity at all, not even close.
Cool
The battery is covered by Tesla. I had two changed on my MS
What is the link to order the battery?
He doesn't do such research to provide you this info.
Its still rolling down the production line
@@hardi.howdy.983 he did say he would put a link in the description.
Sodium definitely not ready for prime time. As at now charge rates are slow. Useabke capacity for longevity is about 40to80% as bad as lead acid and weight is higher than lfp.
Good replacement in a BEV, PHEV, Hybrid.
The warranty is very low for a battery the should last 10yrs, you can get a better warranty on a lead acid battery.
New car battery warranty is usually 1-2yrs and Lexus is 4yrs which is 1yrs long than the whole car warranty, very strange.
The battery in my 23 model y is a 16 volt. Not 12
This video isn't for you. It's for...mostly nobody. Your '23 Model Y already has a 15v li-ion battery.
Hopefully they will get 5kwh home storage to the 800 price point also.
Thia tech will end lead acid 😊
The intelegent meter of eletricity in my country is used for selling our extra energy
Battery is under warranty in europe. At least 2 years. Is dies sooner you got replaced and new warranty
My 12v battery in my 8 year old leaf is still perfect so would this be really worth it to change not sure a new lead is only 70€
lfp voltage is compatible with 12V lead acid, sodium ion is not.
How? LFP is 12.8v nominal and sodium is 12.4v and can handle even higher charge voltage than LFP. which I have and love. Serious question, how is sodium not compatible?
@@DanielBrownOre
Sure, it can work but you wont get full capacity because of the voltage range (6V-17.2V). I hear sodium goes all the way to 0V and is shipped at that voltage. I thinking more along the lines of replacing caravan lead acid for inverter than a starter battery in ICE car where capacity is not an issue.
Lithium and lead acid are Not compatible without circuit modifications
Voltage is slightly higher on lithium and cause degradation of electric components designed to work on lead acid voltage. The addition of a buck converter (voltage reducer) solves this issue. Look into the RV channels lead acid to lithium upgrades
Without knowing the exact change/discharge characteristics of sodium it's hard to say whether its a straight swap or not
@@sailaway8244 hold on there, the voltage is kept the same as SLA by the charging system, which still maxes out at ~14.7v like a car alternator with the BMS handling the battery intervals, the car see the same voltage as normal
@@DanielBrownOre RV community are reporting reduced life of equipment due to lithium needs to be charged to a higher voltage to achieve a full charge
Sensitive equipment have a voltage tolerance +/- 5-10% off of the lead acid charged battery which if broken can lead to premature sensitive electronic failure or poor/noisy running conditions
The solution appears to be installing a voltage regulator on the load side of the battery to allow lithium to reach the voltage to achieve full charge while not allowing that voltage to cause excess conditions on equipment designed to run on lead acid full charge voltage
From memory lithium needs just over 15v to achieve a full charge, at lead acid voltage it gets to about 40-60% charge
Checkout the RV channels for full details
Good advice Sam 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I've neve understood why electric vehicles don't step down power from the big battery to 12 volts for accessories. Why have a 12v battery at all?
Could sodium batteries be a good idea for off grid solar, home power banks (safer) and solar powered irrigation?
Noice, I have been waiting for sodium ion batteries to begin production, these will continue to get cheaper
Errr, it's $500 here in the US. That's pretty steep.
Would it hold more charge to benefit stop start fuel saving systems as they often only work half the time
I have a 2020 Nissan rogue with under 50,000 miles on it, and it needed a new battery. Had to buy a new L/A battery a few weeks ago. WTF they used to last way longer.
Hey bro when’s the best time to charge your EV once you have solar panels on the roof ?
Are you in Australia
Lead acid batteries have higher cold cranking amps. Can this battery match that?
3:00 Sorry about your utility company, Sam.😒
Gas cars has to be designed for it. Under hood temperature is too high for lithium batteries. We have to wait when gas cars switch to 48 volt electric system that designed for lithium batteries.
Happened to me after 1.5 years.
I had Optima battery in my Chevy Blazer fo 35 years. It was US-made, and apparently it finally gave up after all of the liquid(acid) had completely gone from the medium. 35 years the same battery, couple of time drained completely empty by accident, and using the winch had also put strain on it. A lead acid battery. I replaced it with a Mexican made one, and put similar Optima to my Hummer H3. As you can see, I do not fancy "four wheeled Ladyshaves". Only real cars.
So there are lead acid batteries that last. Not expecting 35 years from a Mexican made, though... If one uses EV for those few years, they are disposable things after all and a risk as used ones, the lead acid battery, if a good one, will last that Odysseus*s Voyage. After that, the next car may be ICE-one, so then it is time to get a battery that will last, say ten years. My Mexican Optimas are now few years old, so it is interesting to see if they last the rest of my life, I am over 60 now...
ok boomer
wow
Can they be charged below freezing? They have an internal BMS? Is a smart charger or diode needed? Thanks!
Hi, do you have the best upgrade solution for a Toyota Hybrid battery???🙄🙄🙄
And just throw the old one in land fill?
Same price as a Lead Acid battery?????? HORSES!!!! A big lead acid battery can be bought for AU$125.00 TO AU$150.00!
I looked into sodium batterys for offgrid. They need a speacial controller, So, will they work with the cars altenator? I couldn't find a controller...
I can never tell if you're saying "ion" or "iron".
Just ordered the battery…cost $498
Don’t do that! In general the alternator cannot handle that.
Li-Na have an average 20 to 35 years of life
Is this to replace the lead base battery in older Tesla?
That is...about it...and also not the best or cheapest apparently
The new tesla's use a lithium 14volt small battery .
What's the problem to which this is a solution? Especially for use on a gasoline or diesel cars? The lead-acid battery on my Hyundai is now 5 years old and doing just fine. I've not had a problem having batteries replaced under warranty in the UK. Maybe the problem is your crappy consumer protection laws in Australia.
Silly video as always, will not work and lead-acid is usually no problem.
Hilarious to watch the Hyundais getting wrapped for $3-5k to preserve the paint job. This company has a proven history of producing vehicles that last 125k, so 7-8 years of typical driving.
Sodium highly reactive with water 😅
Cheers mate
If you keep your vehicle for 12 years you will replace your lead-acid battery once for $100.
Did you actually try these?