Stasis warlock and conditional finality is one of my favorite combos of all time. I normally very dislike shadebinder but being able to play so aggressively while also maintaining that defensive utility of freezing rift and coldsnaps is just incredible.
@@redfalcon8062 thank you for admitting this bro really just glad to see that. Cuz fuck I HATE this exotic on titans cuz welp I’m a hunter main (I dont use invis AT ALL but stasis is my main with new bae strand) very glad to see a titan admit its BROKEN 😂👌🏼
Nah, the rapid fire fusion buff isn’t nearly as good as y’all seem to think it will be. It’s not going to suddenly make the archetype ridiculously better, but that ain’t gonna stop all of you guys from suddenly rocking rapid fire fusions and acting like they’re suddenly good.
Young Ahamkara is being heavily slept on. Especially in this iron banner. The ability to recharge your nade on command while also having some of the best zoning capabilities in the game, the ttk don't matter if the tripmine takes 99% of their health in the first place.
Absolutely! I got the new Strand Helmet, I've been loving Strand but wanted to finally get Iron Lord Seal (Which I Did! Happy Days!) But I went straight back to Spines after one match. The Strand Build in 3v3 is absolutely superb but 6v6!? Spines are mental, Explosive Knife gives you your Grenade back damn near whenever you want it! As the first comment said, Witherhoard/Wave Frame/Lion is just dirty haha. Witherhoard has to be the worst for zoning/Grenade Kills. Where are you going? Blight Pool or Assplosion!? I've actually been really enjoying Incandescent Weapons with it too, doesn't seem a particularly PVP perk but damn, it really helps chaining the explosions.
I feel like this needs to be pointed out: the meta on console vs the meta on pc are quite different. Many more sidearms/rapid fire and aggressive pulses/scouts and fusions on console. Not a lot of NTTE because it’s harder to control the recoil on controller. Stars in Shadow with surplus and headseeker is an amazing alternative to any other pulse currently obtainable. PK Titans still crush everyone’s nuts though.
I play on controller and my go to pulse is Legal Action II with Surplus + Frenzy and Arrowhead + Extended Mag. It has better Recoil direction and zoom than Stars in Shadow, but it only drops from the Dares engrams
So what I'm hearing is the most evil loadout I could run is Stasis Titan with Duskfields to slow people down running Antaeus Wards and Conditional Finality together to ape, and then I run Phyllotacic Spiral as diet No Time To Explain in the energy slot? :P
Good analysis. I thought you would talk about Conditional Finality being absolutely dominant in zone trials though, counters bubbles harder than anything if you play it right.
Cammy is sleeping on solar titan. Edit: I am a titan that uses antaeus wards and conditional. I think we are just lucky that it isn't old antaeus, and also, they should probably fix the titan barricade being considered a "'projectile". Another thing is antaeus relies heavily on connection
Dog, I've been a solar titan main for so long and you're losing it if you think solar titan is anything but bad lol it had less than a 3% playtime in trials
Hopefully the midseason patch shakes things up but with the current projections we're probably gonna be riding the Immortal chain all the way to season of the deep.
@gothbitch they move the meta so players have a new experience. If it was balanced after about 6 weeks of that most people would quit, since there would be no exploits for lower tier players.
the end of the video is the main reason i love watching, the fact that you are a very forward thinking player and how you predict future metas is very valuable to me. not even that i will try to abuse the playstyles that you mention, but to just have the knowledge of the value of certain weapons/builds.
I’ve been a blink warlock main for about a year and a half now. I’ve used solely sturm and drang(with zen moment) I’ve been flawless almost every single week since I have switched. It is a pretty damn lethal combo and covers all range, pair that with blink warlock it is very very hard to deal with on the enemy team. Anytime I’m dealing with shotgun apes all I need to do is blink behind cover and it’s easy cleanup with drang
really appreciate the shout-out to sidearms. I used the Immortal for 3 matches and then went back to using sidearms. Not just a preference. they are definitely better, if played to maximize its benefits.
I remember playing against an antaeus wards kickstart fusion titan a few months ago, and I just couldn't counter it. It's so good and it's so slept on, I bet it'll be like geomags where it's been S tier for years but noone wants to use it
Oh it's ridiculous, and then if they happen not to kill you they shoulder charge you in the face and you can't see anything and it's basically game over. Of course now thanks to cammy it will probably no longer be slept on
Cammy I wanted to ask you if you could give arc souls a thorough review because I feel as though unless they’re always up they’re just not worth speccing for because they warn players to not get close(close where you can finish them so they advise players to play smarter, punishing the arc soul user for wanting extra damage). Also let it be stated I’m used to fighting riskrunner players with arc souls they’re not a threat, but unless someone aggros a player with an arc soul they barely help secure kills
I’ve been running Imperial Decree and Phyllotactic Spiral with Winterbite this season on Strand Warlock and I’ve been maintaining an average 1.5-1.6 KD this season. It’s been a lot of fun and I enjoy the play style but immortal is just so oppressive right now I feel like I’m locked to my shotgun on half the maps I’m playing, especially in Iron Banner.
I recommend drang. If you are close enough, it will destroy all immortals. Or maybe experiment with enhanced hipfire grip with free hand mod on the same pulse.
I’ve been having a lot of fun with chill clip + disorienting on lingering dread and devils ruin. Rain of fire and firebolt with phoenix dive for faster nades.
Didn’t know Polaris lance or jade rabbit was apart of the meta. Bout to go try them out and also thanks for the info and nice video as always keep up the good work cammy💪🏾
Jade rabbit to me is just nf with infinite range. It doesn't even have to be at 40+ meters, the low zoom combined with the high AA makes it extremely easy to use at medium ranges, especially on controller, you can honestly sub it for a hand cannon. The low handling can be combatted in a number of ways, and I've found I can hit body shots in the air fairly reliably with it (though I don't recommend air dueling with scouts)
The 150 from old iron banner has a pretty sticky reticle too if you have one kicking around. 150 scouts are slept on imo, then again anyone can just slap on dead mans
It funny how people still complaining about hunters(excluding strand). Hunters are more numerous but warlocks and titans can be more deadly in the right hands.
Anyone can be more deadly with something if it’s in the “right hands”. Efficiency and consistency is best and hunters have the best consistency across all game modes. Just playing the class nets you a better KD every game According to d2 tracker and crucible report
I truly believe Suppressor Grenades are the best in the game. The option to say no to any ability including supers is so strong on it's own, but when you are good enough with the bounce of it then it is as lethal as a grenade launcher as Cammy said.
I just put together an Arc titan build with fence feedback and the dead messenger (Arc) and synchronic roulette (target lock, pulse monitor roll). Arc is build around. This build in PVP in menacing.
Cammy, you forgot about the super-long range option, hung jury. Box breathing + no distractions = easy three tap in under 0.7 seconds. The cost is having to wait a little bit before you peek.
I highly recommend looking through your vault for a good roll on a 260 scout, which would just be as much handling as possible and perks that actually help. The high rate of fire makes it hard to fight and extremely forgiving to use, and I promise the shots you're going for will be much easier to hit that whatever you're fighting at long range. The ttk is good enough and it's 3 crit 2 body plus a lot of them can roll with kill clip. 200s are great too because of the lightweight bonus and a faster 4 crit kill, plus tarnished mettle can roll with EP. Still, getting a surplus 260 with handling MW and fluted barrel and even snapshot just let's you bully anyone on your screen at long range. Been using servant leader with ikelos.
@@minty9880 can be but as a hunter (g forefit invis) i find many snipers can't do shit other than disengage in a straight up duel long range. Getting dinked through flinch is a lot more rare these days but even before you could bully snipers off lanes with a 260, especially with high calls and especially especially if you use symmetry. That thing flinches in a wierd *atipical* way (side to side instead of up and down) and you charge revolution stacks for the ark seeker stalemate breaker.
Aisha's Embrace is where it's at for Scout Rifles. Highest stability in the game, up to 80m in range, insane stats in rumble with Alacrity but also just in general one of the best TTK's for scouts with multi-kill clip. Goes from a 0.93, 0.70, 0.47. 5 tap down to a 3 tap at any range. Generally speaking though the 0.70 4 tap is what you will be getting most of the time. Not to mention with all the best in class stats you can actually strafe with the gun and go up against snipers with ease.
Antares wards are going to be p4oblematic but anteaus combine with a fusion is nightmare fuel. Putting Kickstart on the iterative loop was a wtf moment for me. It completely breaks the archetype.
Back before the notswap modifier in trials, I was swapping from Antaeus Wards and glacioclasm, and cuirass, it was so much fun, it was so easy to ape and at least get two kills and in trials it was so beneficial, “2 for 1” as shaxx has said..
Grenade launchers are so good right now. They are good at weakening a smg push for cleaning up with a primary, and even the slightly lower amount of shotguns has made point blank nade->melee way more useable
I'm not a titan player by any means but I was looking to put together a few builds for the few times I play titan in 3v3s and the one exotic I hadn't seen much of was Anteus Wards. I put those on and holy shit they slap. Even against snipers you can slide, turn to them and try to go for a relatively safe shot for pretty much free. It's what I run now for my Titan so I'll definitely try out a fusion.
Screw that dude, fusion mains are cancer to this game. It's one of the easiest guns to use in the game. I don't even use them for that reason alone and the times I do put it on I remember how brainless they are to use. Literally anyone can go flawless with a main ingredient or Jotun. It truly ruins all the hard work and training I put into weapons that don't rely on 1 shot special bullets. An absolute slap to your face.
I'm with OP 100%. You can play whatever you want, but nobody has the right to belittle someone when that person makes stronger choices and wins because of it. No such thing as game balance through bullying. Got kinda angry about Cammy relating how much more hatemail he gets on Antaeus in another video for the same reason--not sure I'd choose differently in that situation, but man, people are dumb.
Always interesting to hear about how busted snipers are on PC. On console, where the connections aren't as good/player skill on average is a bit lower, Fusions and Le Monarque are absolutely everywhere.
I don't have any disagreements, but I do have additions here that I've personally noticed (keeping in mind I don't do Uber high level scrims nor go out of my way for Trials). 140s I still think are more than solid picks overall simply because their only weakness period is a 100% crit 0.87. I've found they're still perfectly capable as an in-between of the SMG bullshittery and Pulses/120s. Oftentimes what I've noticed is that the flinch tends to determine it, shoot first and the flinch is enough to take a straight fight, shoot second and the flinch tends to screw you. IMHO, I think reducing flinch given and taken by HCs is a play to buff them, not adjusting other aspects. Speaking of 120s, I'm surprised they aren't getting attention here. 1 second TTK is somewhat overridden by a high ease of use and massive flinch output in more direct fights (on top of most hitting the upper tier of Pulse range before Falloff). I've noticed more Round Robins than No Times, if not high impact pulses this season, for what it's worth. I think in the now, 450 ARs are a thing to keep an eye on, too, especially if there's more blanket AR buffs. They're a 0.67 all heads under 6 Resil already, and pretty much any chip damage or damage buff sends it over that edge, and most are hitting falloff at or slightly below 140 ranges. I don't know about super Uber meta, but I think they'll be a go-to for dueling. On the AR subject, if the leaks are true, Rapid ARs replace Aggressive SMGs not named Target Lock Immortal (assuming Target Lock stays). Leaks have the 0.67 only up to 189 health on Aggressive SMGs, and the Rapid ARs are mostly hitting in the mid-20 meter ranges with more lax falloff and similar recoil, only downsides are more zoom (worse for closer ranges) and slower handling in general. That's for next season, but before the Immortal fuckfest really started, I was going to town on Rufus, so might be something to watch. As for specials, I'd be gleeful to see GLs be gutted to the point of uselessness against guardians, but that's unlikely to happen. I think they're the best overall since they blint crazy well and can hit for over half health in any situation without much aim required, plus no airborne penalty that I'm aware of. I think people overestimate the Rapid Fusion buff. All it's really doing is bringing Rapids up to current HIR standard, Rapids with HIR (or technically Liquids) perform like a standard Rapid will post-buff, they aren't crazy broken imo. Anteus is something that I think screams demanding a rework. I'm not sure if they ever removed the full damage invulnerability on slide, but especially now that the penalties are gone, it's a free win condition, especially since you can still activate Shoulder Charge out of a slide for some godforsaken reason. And I'll leave my hotbed of takes people will lambast by saying the Strand Hunter helmet will probably be the play for exotic. Woven Mail on Grapple plus flinch reduction with it active is too much of an upside to easily pass up, even with the St0mps change that I'm probably going to call an overall buff.
Given that your prediction is correct, wouldn't the current meta anchor weapons, like jade rabbit or Polaris lance, benefit from the massive range diff.
I know it’s not a special, but I’ve been using the bow “under your skin” with the immortal and my goodness it is so effective at just mowing down people.
Solar warlock is mid as hell for neutral play. The super is definitely S tier. No doubt. But the problem is neutral play. All they have is a nice movement tool, icarus dash. The subclass is heavily oriented around gunplay with a bit of healing. As far as lethal/damage abilities go, they are incredibly mid. The aspect that buffs your grenades doesn’t do much at all. Solar nade, easy to avoid. Firebolt, they were good with a coordinated team but recently got nerfed. Healing, nice choice, not useful for damage obviously but nice extra healing. Fusion nade, can be powerful for sure. But when you use that aspect, you are sacrificing the extra airborne effectiveness from heat rises. I feel like icarus dash and hr should have been 1 aspect with another aspect that brings back the old solar warlock. Something like, when you heal your allies, you get ability energy back. And a passive thing like “all healing you apply is increased”. I would appreciate a “healing” aspect for solar warlocks because the extra healing from touch of flame with healing nades is not enough to justify it being the “healing class” Anyway I digress. The titan and hunter kit has more lethal options and I just feel like solar warlock REALLY lacks any “damaging” abilities that you can rely on.
Thank god someone else recognizes how dominated the meta is by Titans and Warlocks. As a hunter, I cannot explain how often I am literally just entombed by the pressure the other two classes emit. You have to play absolutely perfect to stop other players whose only requirement is to just wait.
Yeah it used to be hunters and titans oppressing the shit out of Warlocks but now it's definitely hunters at the bottom of the food chain. But Warlocks don't come close to titans still
I've been using the secret sauce you talked about at the end. It'd be nice if you didn't let everyone else know though lol. Great video as always. Conditional Finality is an awesome weapon which offers a very unique tool to your loadout.
Eye of another world 20s firebolts is my go to, easy heal from heat rises constantly too 1 minute heat rises uptime all on my own is not ok, majority of the match can be played heat rises and discount healing grenades always being there is insane, phoenix dive if needed as well
I know nobody wants to grind dares for it, but Legal Action II with Arrowhead, Surplus + Frenzy is an insanely good pulse. Killing in 2 bursts aint a challenge with 100 recoil direction and 88 stability
We might be in the least aim-intensive meta ever seen; target lock SMGs, high impact pulses with headseeker and outrageous aim assist, GLs being good, shotguns being good again, scouts like Jade that also have extreme aim assist on long range and a lot more. I’m not a big HC fan but the current meta feels extremely boring in terms of mechanical skill and I wish we’d see some changes to how many weapon types are both *extremely* easy to use AND *extremely* effective.
You're gonna sit there and act like upper 90s AA value HCs with eye of the storm and opening shot isn't just as cheesy as a scout with good AA and stability
@@Michael-ne2bl Not really, but at least they introduce a more interesting movement and swapping aspect by virtue of not being 70 meters away while fighting. Honestly, I am all for lowering the aim assist of every gun at this point, high AA handcannons included, though the outliers obviously should be nerfed more than most.
I already fought a 91 range slide shot plug one with anteus wards on burn out. I am decent at the game. I got shut out, I couldnt find a way to counter it. Glad to know it is actually broken.
I went through all of Iron banner with Seventh seraph carbine, Target lock pushes it to 0.67 TTK. - Edit: Didn't find out about this until after trials.
I suck at SMG/Snipers so my META (Most effect tactic available) for me is Last Word/Aisha's Embrace on Void Warlock. Personally find Last Word to be competitive still out to about that 25m range to match most SMG's. Then my scout is effective out to about 75m and I have a god roll on it so it's deadly. TTK of 0.70 after 1 kill. So it's lane holding potential is solid. TTK wise I'm looking good and both guns have amazing perks for 1v1 fights. Then Voidwalker adds on to all that with Child of the Old Gods weakening enemies and giving me ability energy, vortex grenade is great damage and pulls people out of cover like barricades and the pocket singularity melee can be tossed around corners for some sneaky clean up kills and has some insane reach on it for a melee. Of course I have Nova Bomb on too so I can shutdown supers or clean up an entire team capping a zone. For me this is my Meta, LW/Scout, Void and just playing within my ranges. A lot of it comes down to finding those 1v1's which my build dominates at and avoiding groups. Also knowing what lethal looks like for my damage factors, so knowing when a 3 tap is possible with LW or knowing when I have multi-kill clip up on my scout so I know I can get a 4 tap. Also this is rare but I've had the occasional team shot work in my favour and when I reload my scout it gave me three kills for MKC which is a 3 tap, 0.47 TTK at all res levels to 75m lol. You get that and for those few seconds you become a god on that lane. Oh and I still abuse Ophidian Aspects for that free handling and reload.
meta is not an acronym, unless you're trying to assign it a backronym after the fact. it is short for "metagame" which was coined by Magic: The Gathering's designers back in the 90s
Completely agree on anteus, especially with overshields. That needs to not be a thing. Disagree on the reign of fire. That’s a very advanced build. Fighting lion has never gained popularity and it’s been potent since conception so I think we’re safe from most wannabe Epic Defender types
Same as last season. 750s. Bungie knew they were broken, and simply kept them broken this season. Easier than having to rebalance everything, while they nerf all the smgs
@@vuixzi you don't have to go to the skybox to dodge a jotunn pal. Simple jump and a burst to the side is all it takes, or a hunter dodge, or a titan thruster or taking cover. Literally one of the easiest weapons to dodge.
4:07 .... i was away for a long time so now I'm coming back.... (times of Not Forgotten, Trust, Dust Rock Blues) is it really that hard to use HCs right now? or is it still like "the meta wins" kinda type. cuz hell i can't fight with hand cannons
making a real effort to get into the pvp of this game ive put thousands of hours into and i was hoping someone could tell me if mechabre is a good sniper option currently? i have pretty much all the other good options i could think of but im curious what the consensus is on mechabre specifically
I threw on cloud strike just to finish the catalyst but when it clutched me a round in comp on a 1v3 and they tried to rush oh my. After that I said yea im using this now 🤣
Hi Cammy! Do you have any advice for aspiring youtubers? I'm struggling to make content with how awfully slow my pc is (any edit like 3 layers deep just crashes my editing software), and it feels difficult to write scripts for things too. Any rough advice? I'd also love to see any tips you have in a full video.
I’m sorry, but every time I hear of Borealis, I just think of that one Simpsons meme: Aurora Borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen? Lol
If I was still playing, I would be using Fighting Lion with Immortal. I used to pair FL with Extraordinary Rendition, and it was phenomenal. Immortal kicks it up a few notches. Also I am extremely happy you are using Feedbacks. Wormy knows how much I used to use them before I quit.
@@yeeterMcgee but 140s currently sit perfectly between 120s and 180s. It's the 120s that got fucked over with the 2 tap nerf and the 180s that haven't been good in years. Also, 120s don't 1 head 2 body. It's 2 head 1 body so how should 140s be able to do the same at base?
Fighting Lion is generally a must have if you plan of doing that build on Warlock. You can just float around in the sky raining nades down on people and FL has unlimited ammo so even if the match or round goes on for a long time you don't have to worry about running out of ammo.
Looking the absolute best bow swap build (quickdraw bow + quickdraw/snap 120) that according to d2 foundry should gets a 0.43ttk at 35ish meter would you consider that meta?
@@gamez4lyfe187 it's probably a bit slower cose lucky pants doesn't affect ads speed and eriana has a very slow base ads and the perk that allows the double body shot needs u to aim, still very good tho especially on the ease of use part
@@davidepanceri8192 nah I believe luckypants improve handling for a second? Even if not, I use all HC targeting, so I can't even tell. Plus you are only capped for range where the bow loses its aim assist, isnt that just insane??! Not to mention erianas precision damage... even if you missed an entire bow shot you can easily put them to 1 or just 2 shot them
![Eminem - Fuel (feat. JID) [Official Lyric Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t5H_CewqpKA/mqdefault.jpg)
the immortal
the immortal
You know I think it's the immortal, just a hunch
the immortal
also the immortal (adept)
the immortal
Stasis warlock and conditional finality is one of my favorite combos of all time. I normally very dislike shadebinder but being able to play so aggressively while also maintaining that defensive utility of freezing rift and coldsnaps is just incredible.
Meta this meta that have you Eva meta girl
I did once, but she had a bad roll so I dismantled her.
@@DesignatedHealer Shouldn't have done that, now she glowed up and became a god roll
@@DesignatedHealer there's your problem right there, you're rolling on women, men have better perks
@@Victor-dh6hc you might be on to something... I've been grinding the wrong grind all along
Yeah the rapid fire fusion buff gonna make the anteus titans run rampant
Yeah if Antaeus by it self isnt enough 😂 goddamn thats just gonna make is BONKERZ 😂🎉🎉🎉
As an Antaeus Wards main, yeah that's gonna be fucking hell.
@@redfalcon8062 thank you for admitting this bro really just glad to see that. Cuz fuck I HATE this exotic on titans cuz welp I’m a hunter main (I dont use invis AT ALL but stasis is my main with new bae strand) very glad to see a titan admit its BROKEN 😂👌🏼
Nah, the rapid fire fusion buff isn’t nearly as good as y’all seem to think it will be. It’s not going to suddenly make the archetype ridiculously better, but that ain’t gonna stop all of you guys from suddenly rocking rapid fire fusions and acting like they’re suddenly good.
@@TheHeadincharge lmaooo exactly
Young Ahamkara is being heavily slept on. Especially in this iron banner. The ability to recharge your nade on command while also having some of the best zoning capabilities in the game, the ttk don't matter if the tripmine takes 99% of their health in the first place.
Double up with witherhoard/waveframe/fighting lion and it's so stupidly powerful at controlling fights
Absolutely! I got the new Strand Helmet, I've been loving Strand but wanted to finally get Iron Lord Seal (Which I Did! Happy Days!) But I went straight back to Spines after one match. The Strand Build in 3v3 is absolutely superb but 6v6!? Spines are mental, Explosive Knife gives you your Grenade back damn near whenever you want it!
As the first comment said, Witherhoard/Wave Frame/Lion is just dirty haha. Witherhoard has to be the worst for zoning/Grenade Kills. Where are you going? Blight Pool or Assplosion!? I've actually been really enjoying Incandescent Weapons with it too, doesn't seem a particularly PVP perk but damn, it really helps chaining the explosions.
I hate going against ahamkara trip mines, those things are basically indestructible
It feels so satisfying getting a Tripmine kill cause enemies typically don't remember where its placed
No way it's at all being slept on. On Immortal week for trials literally every single hunter i ran into was using it
I feel like this needs to be pointed out: the meta on console vs the meta on pc are quite different. Many more sidearms/rapid fire and aggressive pulses/scouts and fusions on console. Not a lot of NTTE because it’s harder to control the recoil on controller. Stars in Shadow with surplus and headseeker is an amazing alternative to any other pulse currently obtainable. PK Titans still crush everyone’s nuts though.
I play on controller and my go to pulse is Legal Action II with Surplus + Frenzy and Arrowhead + Extended Mag. It has better Recoil direction and zoom than Stars in Shadow, but it only drops from the Dares engrams
@@tinyturtle1898 fair enough but I’m kind of addicted to headseeker.
So what I'm hearing is the most evil loadout I could run is Stasis Titan with Duskfields to slow people down running Antaeus Wards and Conditional Finality together to ape, and then I run Phyllotacic Spiral as diet No Time To Explain in the energy slot? :P
You cooking something sinister there
Good analysis. I thought you would talk about Conditional Finality being absolutely dominant in zone trials though, counters bubbles harder than anything if you play it right.
Cammy is sleeping on solar titan. Edit: I am a titan that uses antaeus wards and conditional. I think we are just lucky that it isn't old antaeus, and also, they should probably fix the titan barricade being considered a "'projectile". Another thing is antaeus relies heavily on connection
I like the slide buff, I've been able to throw off players with how far you can slide.
Holy shit , do you have your own destiny RUclips channel as well !? Your just as smart as Cammy and nearly as smart as Drewsky
See I have big problems with the connection because of the slight differences in what you see vs what your opponent sees can change how I play.
Dog, I've been a solar titan main for so long and you're losing it if you think solar titan is anything but bad lol it had less than a 3% playtime in trials
@@wyattdetherow6853 dog, main squeeze, homey I'm that 3%
Hopefully the midseason patch shakes things up but with the current projections we're probably gonna be riding the Immortal chain all the way to season of the deep.
The meta will have to go back to hand cannons next. Unless we get an auto meta.
We can dream.
@@alexgilchrist7700we’re due for a 450 auto meta again, hand cannons for longer range
@gothbitch they move the meta so players have a new experience. If it was balanced after about 6 weeks of that most people would quit, since there would be no exploits for lower tier players.
@gothbitch Oh, you noticed.
Hopefully it will be autos again
the end of the video is the main reason i love watching, the fact that you are a very forward thinking player and how you predict future metas is very valuable to me. not even that i will try to abuse the playstyles that you mention, but to just have the knowledge of the value of certain weapons/builds.
I’ve been a blink warlock main for about a year and a half now. I’ve used solely sturm and drang(with zen moment) I’ve been flawless almost every single week since I have switched. It is a pretty damn lethal combo and covers all range, pair that with blink warlock it is very very hard to deal with on the enemy team. Anytime I’m dealing with shotgun apes all I need to do is blink behind cover and it’s easy cleanup with drang
Are you on console?
@@mir4cle696 yes I forgot to mention that sorry
really appreciate the shout-out to sidearms. I used the Immortal for 3 matches and then went back to using sidearms. Not just a preference. they are definitely better, if played to maximize its benefits.
Yo what sidearms do you use?
Love the Cammy PvP meta videos but I would also love to see a Cammy Gambit meta video.
The Gambit meta is clear: don't play that shitbox game mode
@@rustler08 its better than you think
While no longer the Meta Multi Tool it has been a consistant fall back for me with longer ranges. Plus the catalyst drop also inspired use i guess.
I remember playing against an antaeus wards kickstart fusion titan a few months ago, and I just couldn't counter it. It's so good and it's so slept on, I bet it'll be like geomags where it's been S tier for years but noone wants to use it
Oh it's ridiculous, and then if they happen not to kill you they shoulder charge you in the face and you can't see anything and it's basically game over. Of course now thanks to cammy it will probably no longer be slept on
Cammy I wanted to ask you if you could give arc souls a thorough review because I feel as though unless they’re always up they’re just not worth speccing for because they warn players to not get close(close where you can finish them so they advise players to play smarter, punishing the arc soul user for wanting extra damage). Also let it be stated I’m used to fighting riskrunner players with arc souls they’re not a threat, but unless someone aggros a player with an arc soul they barely help secure kills
I’ve been running Imperial Decree and Phyllotactic Spiral with Winterbite this season on Strand Warlock and I’ve been maintaining an average 1.5-1.6 KD this season. It’s been a lot of fun and I enjoy the play style but immortal is just so oppressive right now I feel like I’m locked to my shotgun on half the maps I’m playing, especially in Iron Banner.
I recommend drang. If you are close enough, it will destroy all immortals. Or maybe experiment with enhanced hipfire grip with free hand mod on the same pulse.
I’ve been having a lot of fun with chill clip + disorienting on lingering dread and devils ruin. Rain of fire and firebolt with phoenix dive for faster nades.
Didn’t know Polaris lance or jade rabbit was apart of the meta. Bout to go try them out and also thanks for the info and nice video as always keep up the good work cammy💪🏾
What other options would you even use 40meters out. Doesn't take a content creator to know that
@@cyclo_17 shut up Mike😂
I’ve put 200 kills on Polaris lance in a single weekend. Once you get used to the zoom, you can use it at close range and it’s insane.
Jade rabbit to me is just nf with infinite range. It doesn't even have to be at 40+ meters, the low zoom combined with the high AA makes it extremely easy to use at medium ranges, especially on controller, you can honestly sub it for a hand cannon. The low handling can be combatted in a number of ways, and I've found I can hit body shots in the air fairly reliably with it (though I don't recommend air dueling with scouts)
The 150 from old iron banner has a pretty sticky reticle too if you have one kicking around. 150 scouts are slept on imo, then again anyone can just slap on dead mans
Stopped playing D2 pre witch queen, I still enjoy seeing this kind of content though
My opinion has arrived at last
A dope video for anybody that took a break from Destiny.
It funny how people still complaining about hunters(excluding strand). Hunters are more numerous but warlocks and titans can be more deadly in the right hands.
Anyone can be more deadly with something if it’s in the “right hands”. Efficiency and consistency is best and hunters have the best consistency across all game modes. Just playing the class nets you a better KD every game According to d2 tracker and crucible report
I truly believe Suppressor Grenades are the best in the game. The option to say no to any ability including supers is so strong on it's own, but when you are good enough with the bounce of it then it is as lethal as a grenade launcher as Cammy said.
I just put together an Arc titan build with fence feedback and the dead messenger (Arc) and synchronic roulette (target lock, pulse monitor roll). Arc is build around. This build in PVP in menacing.
About the GL talk, there are not gentlemen in the Asia server so everyone crutches on Wave GLs and Fighting Lions.
they already caught up on the strat
Waves have always been great
Rat King/Explosive Personality is my "maniacal laughter" loadout when I do 6s
Cammy, you forgot about the super-long range option, hung jury. Box breathing + no distractions = easy three tap in under 0.7 seconds. The cost is having to wait a little bit before you peek.
I highly recommend looking through your vault for a good roll on a 260 scout, which would just be as much handling as possible and perks that actually help. The high rate of fire makes it hard to fight and extremely forgiving to use, and I promise the shots you're going for will be much easier to hit that whatever you're fighting at long range. The ttk is good enough and it's 3 crit 2 body plus a lot of them can roll with kill clip. 200s are great too because of the lightweight bonus and a faster 4 crit kill, plus tarnished mettle can roll with EP. Still, getting a surplus 260 with handling MW and fluted barrel and even snapshot just let's you bully anyone on your screen at long range. Been using servant leader with ikelos.
This isn't to say playing meta on sniper smg peacekeeper titan isn't way better especially with these damn maps
@@minty9880 can be but as a hunter (g forefit invis) i find many snipers can't do shit other than disengage in a straight up duel long range. Getting dinked through flinch is a lot more rare these days but even before you could bully snipers off lanes with a 260, especially with high calls and especially especially if you use symmetry. That thing flinches in a wierd *atipical* way (side to side instead of up and down) and you charge revolution stacks for the ark seeker stalemate breaker.
Aisha's Embrace is where it's at for Scout Rifles. Highest stability in the game, up to 80m in range, insane stats in rumble with Alacrity but also just in general one of the best TTK's for scouts with multi-kill clip. Goes from a 0.93, 0.70, 0.47. 5 tap down to a 3 tap at any range.
Generally speaking though the 0.70 4 tap is what you will be getting most of the time. Not to mention with all the best in class stats you can actually strafe with the gun and go up against snipers with ease.
Cammy I think you forgot to talk about athrys’s embrace for hunters too.
Ssssshhshssshsshhssssshssshhssssssshhh!!!! 😂
Antares wards are going to be p4oblematic but anteaus combine with a fusion is nightmare fuel. Putting Kickstart on the iterative loop was a wtf moment for me. It completely breaks the archetype.
It's so dumb
Around 14:00 cammy taught me geometry once again
Back before the notswap modifier in trials, I was swapping from Antaeus Wards and glacioclasm, and cuirass, it was so much fun, it was so easy to ape and at least get two kills and in trials it was so beneficial, “2 for 1” as shaxx has said..
Grenade launchers are so good right now. They are good at weakening a smg push for cleaning up with a primary, and even the slightly lower amount of shotguns has made point blank nade->melee way more useable
I'm not a titan player by any means but I was looking to put together a few builds for the few times I play titan in 3v3s and the one exotic I hadn't seen much of was Anteus Wards. I put those on and holy shit they slap. Even against snipers you can slide, turn to them and try to go for a relatively safe shot for pretty much free. It's what I run now for my Titan so I'll definitely try out a fusion.
I'm surprised frost-ee5 aren't used more with strand hunter...makes it so you can grapple almost all of the time.
Shut up, i dont want to frost-ee5 being nerfed. That's the only thing that makes the stasis hunter viable. AKA: Duskfield grenade spammer.
3 seasons later and this is still half of the meta
Good guns will never not be meta
Health should not be tied to stats - period. Every class should have exactly the same health in pvp, no matter the resillience number.
Nah it adds depth
I'm a fusion main and what Cammy said about fusion is so true people got to give up on morals and just game
Screw that dude, fusion mains are cancer to this game. It's one of the easiest guns to use in the game. I don't even use them for that reason alone and the times I do put it on I remember how brainless they are to use. Literally anyone can go flawless with a main ingredient or Jotun. It truly ruins all the hard work and training I put into weapons that don't rely on 1 shot special bullets. An absolute slap to your face.
I'm with OP 100%. You can play whatever you want, but nobody has the right to belittle someone when that person makes stronger choices and wins because of it. No such thing as game balance through bullying. Got kinda angry about Cammy relating how much more hatemail he gets on Antaeus in another video for the same reason--not sure I'd choose differently in that situation, but man, people are dumb.
Always interesting to hear about how busted snipers are on PC. On console, where the connections aren't as good/player skill on average is a bit lower, Fusions and Le Monarque are absolutely everywhere.
I'm on PS4 and hard agree. I am REAL sick of losing to Yotun and Monarch in Iron Banner and Trials. Skilless people I swear...
I don't have any disagreements, but I do have additions here that I've personally noticed (keeping in mind I don't do Uber high level scrims nor go out of my way for Trials).
140s I still think are more than solid picks overall simply because their only weakness period is a 100% crit 0.87. I've found they're still perfectly capable as an in-between of the SMG bullshittery and Pulses/120s. Oftentimes what I've noticed is that the flinch tends to determine it, shoot first and the flinch is enough to take a straight fight, shoot second and the flinch tends to screw you. IMHO, I think reducing flinch given and taken by HCs is a play to buff them, not adjusting other aspects.
Speaking of 120s, I'm surprised they aren't getting attention here. 1 second TTK is somewhat overridden by a high ease of use and massive flinch output in more direct fights (on top of most hitting the upper tier of Pulse range before Falloff). I've noticed more Round Robins than No Times, if not high impact pulses this season, for what it's worth.
I think in the now, 450 ARs are a thing to keep an eye on, too, especially if there's more blanket AR buffs. They're a 0.67 all heads under 6 Resil already, and pretty much any chip damage or damage buff sends it over that edge, and most are hitting falloff at or slightly below 140 ranges. I don't know about super Uber meta, but I think they'll be a go-to for dueling.
On the AR subject, if the leaks are true, Rapid ARs replace Aggressive SMGs not named Target Lock Immortal (assuming Target Lock stays). Leaks have the 0.67 only up to 189 health on Aggressive SMGs, and the Rapid ARs are mostly hitting in the mid-20 meter ranges with more lax falloff and similar recoil, only downsides are more zoom (worse for closer ranges) and slower handling in general. That's for next season, but before the Immortal fuckfest really started, I was going to town on Rufus, so might be something to watch.
As for specials, I'd be gleeful to see GLs be gutted to the point of uselessness against guardians, but that's unlikely to happen. I think they're the best overall since they blint crazy well and can hit for over half health in any situation without much aim required, plus no airborne penalty that I'm aware of.
I think people overestimate the Rapid Fusion buff. All it's really doing is bringing Rapids up to current HIR standard, Rapids with HIR (or technically Liquids) perform like a standard Rapid will post-buff, they aren't crazy broken imo.
Anteus is something that I think screams demanding a rework. I'm not sure if they ever removed the full damage invulnerability on slide, but especially now that the penalties are gone, it's a free win condition, especially since you can still activate Shoulder Charge out of a slide for some godforsaken reason.
And I'll leave my hotbed of takes people will lambast by saying the Strand Hunter helmet will probably be the play for exotic. Woven Mail on Grapple plus flinch reduction with it active is too much of an upside to easily pass up, even with the St0mps change that I'm probably going to call an overall buff.
Given that your prediction is correct, wouldn't the current meta anchor weapons, like jade rabbit or Polaris lance, benefit from the massive range diff.
I know it’s not a special, but I’ve been using the bow “under your skin” with the immortal and my goodness it is so effective at just mowing down people.
Solar warlock is mid as hell for neutral play. The super is definitely S tier. No doubt. But the problem is neutral play. All they have is a nice movement tool, icarus dash. The subclass is heavily oriented around gunplay with a bit of healing. As far as lethal/damage abilities go, they are incredibly mid. The aspect that buffs your grenades doesn’t do much at all. Solar nade, easy to avoid. Firebolt, they were good with a coordinated team but recently got nerfed. Healing, nice choice, not useful for damage obviously but nice extra healing. Fusion nade, can be powerful for sure.
But when you use that aspect, you are sacrificing the extra airborne effectiveness from heat rises. I feel like icarus dash and hr should have been 1 aspect with another aspect that brings back the old solar warlock. Something like, when you heal your allies, you get ability energy back. And a passive thing like “all healing you apply is increased”. I would appreciate a “healing” aspect for solar warlocks because the extra healing from touch of flame with healing nades is not enough to justify it being the “healing class”
Anyway I digress. The titan and hunter kit has more lethal options and I just feel like solar warlock REALLY lacks any “damaging” abilities that you can rely on.
14:57 cammy shoulder charges a hunter, the cooldown gets used and the hunter takes no damage
Thank god someone else recognizes how dominated the meta is by Titans and Warlocks. As a hunter, I cannot explain how often I am literally just entombed by the pressure the other two classes emit. You have to play absolutely perfect to stop other players whose only requirement is to just wait.
In 6v6
Yeah it used to be hunters and titans oppressing the shit out of Warlocks but now it's definitely hunters at the bottom of the food chain. But Warlocks don't come close to titans still
I've been using the secret sauce you talked about at the end. It'd be nice if you didn't let everyone else know though lol. Great video as always. Conditional Finality is an awesome weapon which offers a very unique tool to your loadout.
People are sleeping on bows, oathkeeper strand hunter with a hipfire grip under your skin can hit headshots from 40 meters just from the hip
Ive been having a blast using a box breathing hung jury to surprise 150 scout or NTTE users
It catches me off guard every time I need to stop playing around and get it
Eye of another world 20s firebolts is my go to, easy heal from heat rises constantly too
1 minute heat rises uptime all on my own is not ok, majority of the match can be played heat rises and discount healing grenades always being there is insane, phoenix dive if needed as well
Very well done video, you covered all bases.
Still wondering if you’re ever gonna make that video of the new hunter exotic helmet
20-minute video from Cammy, Da Gawd......and it still don't feel long enough 😅😅
I know nobody wants to grind dares for it, but Legal Action II with Arrowhead, Surplus + Frenzy is an insanely good pulse. Killing in 2 bursts aint a challenge with 100 recoil direction and 88 stability
We might be in the least aim-intensive meta ever seen; target lock SMGs, high impact pulses with headseeker and outrageous aim assist, GLs being good, shotguns being good again, scouts like Jade that also have extreme aim assist on long range and a lot more.
I’m not a big HC fan but the current meta feels extremely boring in terms of mechanical skill and I wish we’d see some changes to how many weapon types are both *extremely* easy to use AND *extremely* effective.
You're gonna sit there and act like upper 90s AA value HCs with eye of the storm and opening shot isn't just as cheesy as a scout with good AA and stability
@@Michael-ne2bl Not really, but at least they introduce a more interesting movement and swapping aspect by virtue of not being 70 meters away while fighting.
Honestly, I am all for lowering the aim assist of every gun at this point, high AA handcannons included, though the outliers obviously should be nerfed more than most.
@@Michael-ne2bl Pulses especially 340 are easier to use, have more range, better TTK, NO FLINCH. The only way to win vs a pulse is peek shooting.
I already fought a 91 range slide shot plug one with anteus wards on burn out. I am decent at the game. I got shut out, I couldnt find a way to counter it. Glad to know it is actually broken.
8:41 me with my sunset kill clip tarara gaze, and a sunset drop mag opening shot snapshot bite of the fox: 😈
I don't think there's much they can do to antaeus unless they tie it to a class ability, or completely redesign it.
heritage with offhand strike is a sleeper meta IMO
You can pair it with a gutshot ZB to shoot one body shot with ZB and follow up with heritage on all resil levels.
Yeah def. Cam mentions it at 7:25
I went through all of Iron banner with Seventh seraph carbine, Target lock pushes it to 0.67 TTK. - Edit: Didn't find out about this until after trials.
Wait really? It's a .8 ttk normally. That sounds like cap imo.
@@theveryamericaneagle3657 More specifically its T8 and below is 0.67, T9-T10 is still .8
@Chiyumee oh okay thanks for that info.
Sure? It starts with a 0.8 TTK and of 7 bullets the last 2 or 3 get the target lock damage buff on the lowest tier.
borealis just feels good and i seem to hit alot more no scopes with it
Its wild that the difference between the range of immortaland the average hand cannon is only 10 metres at most
I suck at SMG/Snipers so my META (Most effect tactic available) for me is Last Word/Aisha's Embrace on Void Warlock.
Personally find Last Word to be competitive still out to about that 25m range to match most SMG's. Then my scout is effective out to about 75m and I have a god roll on it so it's deadly. TTK of 0.70 after 1 kill. So it's lane holding potential is solid.
TTK wise I'm looking good and both guns have amazing perks for 1v1 fights. Then Voidwalker adds on to all that with Child of the Old Gods weakening enemies and giving me ability energy, vortex grenade is great damage and pulls people out of cover like barricades and the pocket singularity melee can be tossed around corners for some sneaky clean up kills and has some insane reach on it for a melee. Of course I have Nova Bomb on too so I can shutdown supers or clean up an entire team capping a zone.
For me this is my Meta, LW/Scout, Void and just playing within my ranges. A lot of it comes down to finding those 1v1's which my build dominates at and avoiding groups. Also knowing what lethal looks like for my damage factors, so knowing when a 3 tap is possible with LW or knowing when I have multi-kill clip up on my scout so I know I can get a 4 tap.
Also this is rare but I've had the occasional team shot work in my favour and when I reload my scout it gave me three kills for MKC which is a 3 tap, 0.47 TTK at all res levels to 75m lol. You get that and for those few seconds you become a god on that lane.
Oh and I still abuse Ophidian Aspects for that free handling and reload.
meta is not an acronym, unless you're trying to assign it a backronym after the fact. it is short for "metagame" which was coined by Magic: The Gathering's designers back in the 90s
@@life-destiny1196 Meta is indeed an acronym. Why do you think we say Meta when talking about the best thing to use at a certain time.
I got a sweet cloud strike team wipe last week in trials.. felt so good..
9:49 you know what also doesnt have weaknesses? Killer Queen
Great vid. Always a different view, with reasoning to back it up. Gg's
Thanks. Very comprehensive.
was the blink launch at 2:34 on purpose? that was clean
Nailed it on the head, nicely analyzed.
Completely agree on anteus, especially with overshields. That needs to not be a thing. Disagree on the reign of fire. That’s a very advanced build. Fighting lion has never gained popularity and it’s been potent since conception so I think we’re safe from most wannabe Epic Defender types
Nice!... In another note, I wish there was some more long distance/open maps. Something Like those D1 long maps that were available.
During his Fighting Lion game on Jav-4. How does he have two grenade charges with feedback fence?
Same as last season. 750s. Bungie knew they were broken, and simply kept them broken this season.
Easier than having to rebalance everything, while they nerf all the smgs
Arc vs Void Borealis? Which one is better?
Couldn't agree more with everything you said, saw you were using double special in PVP with the witherhoard and fusion lol breaking ankles
Dang, I’m already a fusion main, and I switched to antaeus to counter smgs and it’s been pretty great
if meta is easy to execute with high rewards...
*jotunn has and always be meta*
It actually is in lower tier lobbies because people don't know how to jump lol.
Except now your stuck in the air and the rest of the other team is teamshotting tf out of you
@@vuixzi you don't have to go to the skybox to dodge a jotunn pal. Simple jump and a burst to the side is all it takes, or a hunter dodge, or a titan thruster or taking cover. Literally one of the easiest weapons to dodge.
No mention of ahamkara's trip mines?
Thank you for educating us
4:07 .... i was away for a long time so now I'm coming back.... (times of Not Forgotten, Trust, Dust Rock Blues)
is it really that hard to use HCs right now? or is it still like "the meta wins" kinda type. cuz hell i can't fight with hand cannons
I'm surprised the PVP community isn't up in arms over the fact that they haven't gotten a new map in like 8 months...
We were, it's just past the point now where we can't be bothered anymore and just sit back and wait now.
Oh I am pretty angry still at it. It's embarrassing how disconnected they are with us.
making a real effort to get into the pvp of this game ive put thousands of hours into and i was hoping someone could tell me if mechabre is a good sniper option currently? i have pretty much all the other good options i could think of but im curious what the consensus is on mechabre specifically
14:58 destiny being destiny
I threw on cloud strike just to finish the catalyst but when it clutched me a round in comp on a 1v3 and they tried to rush oh my. After that I said yea im using this now 🤣
Exactly cloudstrike is deadly in PvP. I’ve won some rounds in trials by just getting a twofer with the lighting strike.
@Alex Alachan yea and I wanna pair that with my round Robin im leveling up to craft im at level 9 on the Robin ha
Cammy always using the W emblem in these videos, real!!!!!
Thanks for the heads up
Hi Cammy! Do you have any advice for aspiring youtubers? I'm struggling to make content with how awfully slow my pc is (any edit like 3 layers deep just crashes my editing software), and it feels difficult to write scripts for things too. Any rough advice? I'd also love to see any tips you have in a full video.
Best way to shoulder charge is when u are riding your wave frame 👌👌surfin time
I’m sorry, but every time I hear of Borealis, I just think of that one Simpsons meme:
Aurora Borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen?
Lol
If I was still playing, I would be using Fighting Lion with Immortal. I used to pair FL with Extraordinary Rendition, and it was phenomenal. Immortal kicks it up a few notches. Also I am extremely happy you are using Feedbacks. Wormy knows how much I used to use them before I quit.
what perks are you looking for on a Heavy Grenade Launcher?
I like Impulse Amplifier and Chill Clip. Grenades go almost straight and can slow groups down for easy kills.
What fragments and aspects do you use on arc Titan tho
i think the only way to get old crafted weapons like beloved is to just have it world drop, i got the red border ikelos weapons that way
I really think its time for 140 hcs to get the 2 head 1 body treatment
Nah, round Robin two tapping like the good ol 120 days is where its at lol.
@@boneidle8420 yeah thats cool and all but 120s one head two body already 140s need a buff big time
@@yeeterMcgee but 140s currently sit perfectly between 120s and 180s. It's the 120s that got fucked over with the 2 tap nerf and the 180s that haven't been good in years.
Also, 120s don't 1 head 2 body. It's 2 head 1 body so how should 140s be able to do the same at base?
@@boneidle8420 then buff 120s and 140s make them like the d1 days and 180s could get a flat range increase
Double GL sounds like a house of cards with your teammates required.
Fighting Lion is generally a must have if you plan of doing that build on Warlock. You can just float around in the sky raining nades down on people and FL has unlimited ammo so even if the match or round goes on for a long time you don't have to worry about running out of ammo.
The immortal was really annoying until they fixed target lock. Now it’s really good but you can counter it pretty easily.
I’ve been enjoying Antaeus wards w a fusion since dfp posted a vid on it. Def needs and adjustment.
Cammy! I have not seen a lot of stasis warlocks, don't give them any ideas. Crap, they're on to me and my double stasis turrets
Looking the absolute best bow swap build (quickdraw bow + quickdraw/snap 120) that according to d2 foundry should gets a 0.43ttk at 35ish meter would you consider that meta?
Use the Europa bow with erianas vow.. only 1 body shot each. Lucky pants needed, ophidians almost work.
@@gamez4lyfe187 it's probably a bit slower cose lucky pants doesn't affect ads speed and eriana has a very slow base ads and the perk that allows the double body shot needs u to aim, still very good tho especially on the ease of use part
@@davidepanceri8192 nah I believe luckypants improve handling for a second? Even if not, I use all HC targeting, so I can't even tell. Plus you are only capped for range where the bow loses its aim assist, isnt that just insane??! Not to mention erianas precision damage... even if you missed an entire bow shot you can easily put them to 1 or just 2 shot them