Slab of Death there is no escape the relentless NGC details slab
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- Sometimes there is no escape from the slab of death. The surface hairlines designation is perhaps the most unfair slab of dealth. Many world class USA slabbed coins get proper numerical grades but perhaps more ordinary coins are treated too harshly.
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out of the 19 slab-graded coins I had none graded properly not even a single one to make me happy. kills all my collections. I am not a dealer but a private collector, there is a huge difference when it comes to grading your coins.
What exactly is a details calling, coin that has been cleaned?
Drake [grade] detail "cleaned" or "improperly cleaned"
The Machine Never Lies 👍
PCGS is usually more stringent than NGC. I wouldn't send it to them as it will probably again be a details grade. Coin looks great I'd break it out and keep it loose
+James Tisdale might try PCGS and if that's details break it out it just keep it and find me an 1817 in MS62
Why, they should all be as good as each other. This is why all of it is a racket.
tough break. on that one. thanks for sharing. but it's still a very nice looking coin.
+Silver4Life 1230 these things happen )) my loss your entertainment lol 😂
Its a shame when coins like this one - ones with really lovely eye appeal and lustre - are relegated to merely 'details' as though there is something massively wrong with them.
+Jack Wills I completely agree I think they need to think this one out. It's a beauty but still details. At least they are consistent
Broke all my slabs too- 2 only ,cause still had no more!!
well don't feel down your coin master
continuing to resubmit this coin is the definition of "throwing good money after bad."
+Store of Wealth practically speaking you are right
Numistacker personally I think it's a beautiful coin. I would (and do) keep the coins in the details slab. As you mentioned on another video the slab does at least authenticate and protect the coin.
Sucks that it graded out details but at least they were consistent.
+Collectologist yep I can't criticize the consistency
What causes coins to get a "Details" grade normally?
trippy hippy scratches cleaning bendin pvc environment artificial toning
well worth the other shot .. PCGS next or the uk grading company (CGS) ?
+Sovereign_uk PCGS I think
gorgeous sovereign
Love your vids
if you return the label on the one you opened, they will correct the census. That in fact is important as we all need a census that is reliable and does not contain repeat submissions for the same coin.
Javier Meade yes I have done that before and you are quite right. They may have to cope with a picture.
Numistacker ha ha they will survive!
Just put it in a airtight and don't worry about the grade
You have whet my appetite to see that coin in person. I do a lot of grading for a coin dealer and see a lot of beautiful uncy coins suddenly glow with hairlines under the right source of light. Still, I love the discussions on grading. There are a lot of details that go unseen by the unpracticed eye.
Thats crazy!!!
NGC photographs all its submissions, though the photo quality tends to be spotty. But at least it's a free service. I looked at your coin's images (the obverse photo is so-so and the reverse is out of focus) and it appears there are slide marks on the obverse. That's how it looks to me. I don't see a problem with the reverse but as I said, the image is out of focus. Maybe PCGS would give it a low MS grade.
Beatiful coin, those hairlines are pretty obvious tho. Its hard to quantitatively grade coins with problems, thats propably why they bail out with DETAILS grades. You can keep on resubmiting, but you are basically waiting for graders mistake.
Johnny S. An expensive process as well but may try one last time with PCGS. I really love the coin though.
I agree & wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if NGC are fingerprinting their graded coins. So if you break out a slab & resubmit the coin upon the guise of a poor grade they know the exact coin & once again you get the death slab. Like you suggest probably better to send to PCGS.
I think that coin is screaming a William Wallace "You can get me slabbed, but you will never take... OUR FREEDOM!!!"... I have never cracked open an NGC slab just yet... I wonder what that feeling is like...Better luck with with other coins my friend. Cheers!
ThinkVesting Gold Silver Investing if NGC grade it with a proper grade maybe they will get my business
I would love to see you send it to PCGS. I have a coin the was graded the same way and I can't see what's wrong with it. I think NGC should show us the issue(s).
Hi Numi, These days, in the US, it would be Fake or Alternitive grading! Thanks, Donald
Donald in New Mexico yeah if grading were like US attorneys I could get my own graders in
Question from a novice stacker/collector....
What does it cost to have a coin graded?
What are the benefits? What is the process to have a coin reviewed?
It's starts at like $30 but takes forever. If I get one graded that I have a bunch of cash tied up in I'll do an Express service and it's like $60 for a 48 hr turnaround (supposed to be anyway) You can do a walk-through and get it shipped out next day but it's like $100 or $125 plus 1% of market something like that never done that. There's an awesome video on ngcs channel that follows a coin through the grading process that is super informative you should check it out.
The object is, that the coin has a correct condition grade that nobody can argue with. So that you can buy the coin, and know that it has been correctly graded. But sadly this is not the case, they make lots of bad mistakes, and the collector pays for their blunder.
This is a tough comment to make, but if it were me, I'd leave it in the slab and display/sell it as a coin with surface hairline scratches. Because it appears that is what it is. I know it's tough to buy an expensive item on ebay and have an undisclosed problem with it. These top rated grading services exist for just that reason, to disclose the true condition of an item. For a coin to be misgraded the first time through is possible. For a coin to be independently misgraded a second time for the same problem is just not reasonable. I can't see the hairlines in the video, but if you sold it to me and didn't disclose the fact you sent it two times for grading and twice it was graded with a details grade I would be upset. Sorry Numi.
Dr. G A dealer at the national money show took a look at it for me and he immediately saw that it had been wiped very lightly at some stage causing the hairlines.
Well, it's good to know NGC got it right, I'm just sorry you weren't told about it before you bought it. But I guess that's part of the gamble with ebay. Next time you might just hit a good one.
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Melt it down...
And drive the price of your friends coins up. Seriously, it looks like a sweet coin.
Do they make blank holders? Im sure you could make a nice label. Maybe with more information about the coin.
i remember watching an interview (on the coinweek channel i believe) with a famous grader who went on about seeing the same coin come in over and over from people trying to see if they could give NGC enough money to "upgrade the grade" if you will lol
+jctai100 yes I probably got the same grader for world .. maybe if it was a USA coin I would have got a different team
Slabs like that are the reason I'm too afraid to submit any of my coins for grading. Kindof like if you suspect your spouse has cheated ... do you really want to know, or is it better just to live on hoping your suspicions are unfounded?
LOL... This is a scary analogy... HAHAHAHA
Holding History yes buy with UK coins at least it would sell for the right price Unslabbed as 95% of our coins are unslabbed anyway
I would've done the same exact thing so sorry came details
+Silver ByTheOz its life and at least makes a good video subject
I do not trust the grading services. Too many stories of coins receiving multiple grades from same and differing services. Very subjective.
Junius Maltby that's why I re-submitted it but maybe I got exactly the same world grading team a second time.
Nor do I. And when you get a fake back, passed by them as genuine that is an even bigger joke.
The Ugliest NGC Holder with Four Ears vs Accugrade Without Hidden Parts Of a Coin.
That sucks, try PCGS and show us the results.
What would that say if PCGS graded it AU? I cant believe you cracked a slab! 🔨BTW,that coin looks pretty dam good
+JRW3 a clean AU58 would be good by me
Oh yeah baby, destroy that dad gum slab!
I don't do that to MS 70s but anything less is at risk of destruction. ☺️
I say set it free from the death slab and see what PCGS says!
how did you break out the coin w/ out harming the coin? I have a few coins I've been relinquishing the right to break out. Please let me in on the secret!!! thx, Shawn
+sayits 69 desktop vice and lots of care.
Grading companies must do a professional job. If they do not like with mortgages in 2007 we all know what happens.
You should do grade it to anac to have at least a numerical grade whit the detail.
Very sorry for the detail, the coin look so good !
Numi old chap your persistence is to be commended! Quite an expensive endeavour in search of satisfaction. It's unfortunate that NGC does not accompany their coin grading with a written evaluation somewhat similar to jewellery appraisals. I said that before. While you were there perhaps you should have insisted on an explanation for the grade given especially if you inspected the coin meticulously under magnification and decided it deserved a higher grade. I suspect if you mentioned to NGC it was the second time the coin was being graded by them and in a short period of time that they simply pulled the file/record and assigned the same grade... most likely! It has been said PCGS grading methods are more stringent than NGC & could further increase your futility. I rather not think what that coin would ultimately cost.
once bitten twice shy not Numistacker 3rd time luvky maybe..i think not.. maybe the coins worth more out of the slab. to the eye it looks stunning.
Stunning coin NGC can go fish.
The surface hairlines on that coin are so bloody obvious you can see them in the video; just accept the grade dude. :D
wow, there harsh!!!
I sympathize with you.
You seem to have more $ than "other things" so go ahead and ship her off to PCGS and please do a vid on the result.
That sucks just keep sending it in until it gets a proper grade lol try sending it to Pcgs maybe it depends on the graders I like ngc but they are unreliable and not honest but still a awesome coin
+Platinum Skies at least they graded it consistently
Dave I think maybe we should have some fun with it ))
Each coin is graded by ALL the graders at ngc and they take an average. Then it's inspected by a master grader for QC and accuracy at the end of the process after it's slabbed. There's a cool video on ngcs page that follows a coin through the process y'all should check it out.
Not worth throwing $ away in regrading, been there done that, sell it and cut your losses.
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Heads up Lucky just put 1 more 60 silver gram money show panda up on his site. He doubled the price though lol.
+John A its $230 which is still great for a 66 mintage medal
Numistacker Oh definitely I agree. I already got 2. I was just letting you know because you mentioned you missed out on it.
oh no :(
+Soozie Snake 😲 oh yes
Sucks man but hey at least NGC is consistent with the judgment!
+TTV20209989 yep they are consistent
I thought your story was going to have a happy ending 😭
i don't sweat the details. hahaha
What's up numi: ,Keep trying rather You will get a grade . You get an A+ from me lol 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇨🇦🥇🥈🏆😉😆🤣
Numi, just cut your losses! Send it to me, I will pay you spot price plus $100 for it! ! Then you won't be sad anymore LOL 😂😂😂😂
+J Silver $1750 gets it ))
Numistacker Darn! 😔
you must be member with this 2 big grading co. if you are only small hobby collector, you have no chance. against with 2 co. as i notice if bring coins for grading no membership meaning you get a low grade. you will never bring to AUCTION because of a low grade 2nd. buying Proof set you never find valueble coin, is already gone or save by the Coin Dealer & bring for grading, high grade ofcourse, "COIN DEALER & GRADER" that is the way how to make a million $ this guy!!!!
Lets see, you are a COIN GRADING CORPORATION (but we cannot grade it). What a Joke and a waste of $'s . Better send it to someone that knows their shit. IMO I would not waste my cash with them anymore.
lol. i think they should rethink their details grading system. why cant the give it a grade with the scratchs.
+mickey summers ANACS do grade like that
What is your issue? IF NGC says your coins sucks, then just accept it. WTF you think you're doing by resubmitting it over and over. You are just making a joke of grading if you continue to not accept their grade.
Your coin sucks, just accept it.
+papavalium I can't work out if you are serious or not .. but I read that many highly graded coins have been graded up to 40 times. Graded, cross graded, upgraded etc
lol I have 3 thumbs up on my comment. I was kidding around by saying WTF etc, but I'm not kidding about your coin probably sucks. Also, if you have to grade a coin 40 times, then what does that make the last 39 graders?
If I was you, I would buy a 5x loop and buy some lights. Now go into a dark room, with one light, and take your coin and look at every square mm. :) I think you might see what the NGC coin graders see.
papavalium when it comes to American coins, the answer is filthy rich! Some coins that have been graded multiple times go from $1000 up to $20,000 just for grading.
Numistacker for a high en coin for the grade ( like a superb ms-65 upgrade to a ms 66 ) ok but for a problem coin, i don't think it can be upgraded ( maybe iccs would certify it ms-60 whitout comment but the hairline must be very small
he he he cute video
+Bella Eden the grim reaper cometh twice .. or is it the postman knocks
1st
+Stokjockey well done ✅