Thanks! Didn't know Pursuit Up was on Samsung, will have to look it up. Strollin...been there lol. Also use to take a carolina rig in one hand and a jig or 10" worm in the other, put the trolling motor on 1 and troll as I drug/hopped them on the bottom along KY lake drops in 10 to 20 feet of water and kill them. Can't do it in tournaments, but sure is a fast way to find some fish in practice or have some fun joy fishing. The future....glasses linked to Humminbird, showing exact location on the surface where the fish is and/or 3D lay of the land under water where you look, similar to the apple vision pro's approach. Don't like it, but it's coming :)
There's a writer from the north named Feenstra, who published his work in photography and bait fish forage biology, in a large format printed publication a while ago (it's a lot to do with water clarity, muscle populations and aquatic environment changes for many northern fish populations). Lee Livesy and Todd Castledine exchanges stories about co-anglers who caught fish (behind the boat owner), in competition. Todd experienced an ocassion in which a co-angler drop shotted deep 14 foot water, grass growing to approx 10 foot depth, and a tiny 16th ounce weight (which wasn't heavy enough to even penetrate beyond 10 foot depth). And the co-angler consistently picked up fish that Todd was fishing beneath. Livesy experienced a different thing where a Z-craw bait was being consistently taken behind Lee, seemingly catching fish that Lee wasn't even seeing. Lee explained that he gave up entirely telling co-anglers what 'not' to tie on their lines once, when a huge metal Musky bait on first cast was taken by a nine pound bass, for another angler fishing in Lee's boat (and that had been his 'home court' fishing lake, just to rub salt in the wound). Feenstra is a winter time northern lake-run rainbow trout angler (rainbows who migrate freshwater large body water to stream and tributary freshwater). So anglers such as Scalish and others who fish different species, do discover feeding continues for these migratory fish, unlike the saltwater to freshwater species I'm more familiar with (Frank discovered lake-run rainbows who fed on blue colored crawfish in freezing cold winter). And a certain amount of these lake-run rainbows, share migration rivers with lake smallmouth bass too. And you'll find that with any fish that climb rivers or streams, you can catch normally in lake or oceans, the sheer physical capability of those fish is impressive. I don't know if southern anglers might recognize it, is the amount of freshwater lake species in the north search out extremely compact sized streams or rivers for spawning migrations (it's not just females swimming shallow to reed beds). And that in particular, those streams and rivers Feenstra observed had become so much clearer, as a result of filtration by those muscle populations.
Part of 'the point' about the above, is in fly fishing we looked at bait imitation as a largely insect-based thing, for centuries, because it worked. Anglers like Feenstra began to expand the edges or boundaries of it, until we began to consider the possibility that fish could hunt things other than insects to sustain themselves on. And that opened up 'a new tool box' we had previously not accessed. That's sort of where we are at present, and are enjoying the experience of where we're 'living through' this first period in fly fishing history, when there are lots of brand new tools in the tool box to try out. The delivery system used (our fly fishing lines etc which carries the weightless or almost weightless lure), is something that has lagged behind a little bit in it's development. An angler, councidently a Pacific rainbow steelhead angler down-sized his winter steelhead line system to an extent to where Ed Ward the angler explained, this line delivery system has potential to be used on eastern type of water, and warmer water species of fish. Precisely because in eastern water one doesn't have 'back cast' space to use (like one sees on the Big Horn river for example, overhead casting in 'A River Runs Through It'). So now, in fly fishing as far as warmer water, eastern States fishing goes, we've got two parts of the puzzle unlocked (the lures, and the line). Mind you, both anglers such as Ward and Feenstra would explain these points, having the knowledge it's a task for upcoming geberations to do, and to explore. They've fished their whole careers and taken things a certain distance, which has been gigantic. But there is a lot of it 'which still remains to be put together' from these different pieces. What one doesn't hear about at all in fly fishing, is something like as follows.
9th of January in 2025, episode 188 of Day Four with Frank (Matt and Frank both 'learned' electronics one could argue, how many anglers will practice the systems over winter croppie fishing). In the hopes of improving those skills for spring and summer competition on lakes. And Frank in talking about Open's competition (Frank I think won an Open), wondered how it had all come down to 'the minnow'. Matt added, well if you want to know what it feels to be Kevin Van Dam, tell one's fishing companion to throw a minnow over there (presumably having identified fish on screen), and 'count to five'. Now, if one was a young angler in 2025. You had a chouce between learning from Feenstra's bait fish book, and Ed Ward's line delivery systems, and putting those two parts of this puzzle together, and becoming a warm water fly fish angling pioneer. Doing things that few anglers have ever done before in America, or anywhere. Compared with throw a minnow over there, and 'count to five'. I know, that if I could go back to being a teenager again (and I still remember what it was like to discover fishing at that age). I know which 'train' that is now leaving the station in 2025, I would want to be on board. And I know it's not one that has to do with 'count to five'. And I know that Kevin (V D) himself, the best who ever did it, is excited to look forward to all of the fishing schools upcoming in 2025. Which is great. But even the great Kevin has no solution to the above, and the entire gear angling industry doesn't have either. Despite having 'ten' brands of lure on shelves, that all do a job or a task, all equally as efficiently. It's still being sort of compressed down to 'count to five'. The End.
I didn't get time to add one additional observation prior, and it is a push-back, or leaning back counter to the argument that the dream of younger sports persons should be to one day win a large national fishing competition event. One has to push back somewhat against that assumption. Why? Because the evidence of original, first generation tournament winning professional anglers seems to push back against this idea, or this assumption. Of what should be the best goal or target setting for younger sports persons. The broader context to this, is what authors such as Nicholas G. Carr had talked about, at the very beginning of the widespread use of services such as Google, or such as encyclopedias online (one can consider the modern interface to that sort of library of Alexandria re-constructed, this access to the sum total of human knowledge, the first way in which to interact with it was web pages like Wikipedia). And we all understand that each decade or so, the interface moves beyond a web page one (itself a kind of legacy of printed media, web page interfaces were designed to be interpreted by a population who had grown up in printed media). Each generation that goes by, we lose that connection back to printed media, and the need to emulate that format by means of web pages etc, evaporates. To the point at which younger generations ask questions, and something happebs by which an answer is provided. Nicholas G. Carr was before his time in writing about things such as Wikipedia. He suggested, it meant the replacement of the subject matter expert, who had been a human person.
The first generation, the Roland Martin's or Bill Dance's, and many others. They didn't grow up in a world in which the dream or goal should be to win a national bass fishing competition. However, the Roland's and the Bill's did grow up in a time in which the human being as subject matter expert, still meant something. And the success at fishing 'in competition' had been a by-product to that original goal to become a subject matter expert. Anglers such as Rick Clunn also spring to mind. One has to be cautious as Alan Kay explained about twenty years ago, that we don't allow what should be sub-goals to become elevated to the status of becoming primary goals. The winning of competitions isn't a primary goal. It is a sub-goal. There's a reason why we still know about the Clunn's, the Martin's, the Dance's in fishing even today. Because there careers were constructed, and produced longeivity. Because primary goals were cleared defined as such, and so were sub-goals confined to being of the status which they deserve. The reason I listen to Roland now, isn't because Roland was angler of the year. It's because I consider Roland to be a subject matter expert, even today.
The reason that I mention Nicholas G. Carr now, is that he was one of the first bloggers, writers to document this shift as he saw it happening at Harvard university. He could observe that the status of the subject matter expert was being eroded, in favor of platforms such as Wikipedia (there was one unified voice at the time in technology who heralded the arrival of these collaborative systems, like search, and like encyclopedia's as a wonderful accomplishment). Carr's writing at that time was one of the few to challenge the assumptions, looking at potential downsides. To the extent to which I would argue, that if the Roland's and the Bill's back in the old days had a technology like modern sonar, they would use that technology in a different way. As I explained, the technology may have been used to pursue even to a greater extent, the primary goal of achievement of subject matter expertise. I'm not sure if Roland or Bill would ever say, let's use this technology to replace all of our existing lures, and use this technology to win more competitions instead. Because in the 70's or 80's using sonar, may have enabled them to win AOY by even wider margins. But the currency or thing of value at that time (for example, television broadcast medium), wasn't look at me, I win things. The currency in that time, was expertise. We have to be cautious in terms of assumptions. Should the primary goal of young folks really be something as banal, as winning a fishing tournament? Is that really the most that we can aspire to?
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Thanks! Didn't know Pursuit Up was on Samsung, will have to look it up.
Strollin...been there lol. Also use to take a carolina rig in one hand and a jig or 10" worm in the other, put the trolling motor on 1 and troll as I drug/hopped them on the bottom along KY lake drops in 10 to 20 feet of water and kill them. Can't do it in tournaments, but sure is a fast way to find some fish in practice or have some fun joy fishing.
The future....glasses linked to Humminbird, showing exact location on the surface where the fish is and/or 3D lay of the land under water where you look, similar to the apple vision pro's approach. Don't like it, but it's coming :)
I have a Samsung, I'll have to check that out. 👍🏻 Back in the 1900's 🤣
There's a writer from the north named Feenstra, who published his work in photography and bait fish forage biology, in a large format printed publication a while ago (it's a lot to do with water clarity, muscle populations and aquatic environment changes for many northern fish populations). Lee Livesy and Todd Castledine exchanges stories about co-anglers who caught fish (behind the boat owner), in competition. Todd experienced an ocassion in which a co-angler drop shotted deep 14 foot water, grass growing to approx 10 foot depth, and a tiny 16th ounce weight (which wasn't heavy enough to even penetrate beyond 10 foot depth). And the co-angler consistently picked up fish that Todd was fishing beneath. Livesy experienced a different thing where a Z-craw bait was being consistently taken behind Lee, seemingly catching fish that Lee wasn't even seeing. Lee explained that he gave up entirely telling co-anglers what 'not' to tie on their lines once, when a huge metal Musky bait on first cast was taken by a nine pound bass, for another angler fishing in Lee's boat (and that had been his 'home court' fishing lake, just to rub salt in the wound). Feenstra is a winter time northern lake-run rainbow trout angler (rainbows who migrate freshwater large body water to stream and tributary freshwater). So anglers such as Scalish and others who fish different species, do discover feeding continues for these migratory fish, unlike the saltwater to freshwater species I'm more familiar with (Frank discovered lake-run rainbows who fed on blue colored crawfish in freezing cold winter). And a certain amount of these lake-run rainbows, share migration rivers with lake smallmouth bass too. And you'll find that with any fish that climb rivers or streams, you can catch normally in lake or oceans, the sheer physical capability of those fish is impressive. I don't know if southern anglers might recognize it, is the amount of freshwater lake species in the north search out extremely compact sized streams or rivers for spawning migrations (it's not just females swimming shallow to reed beds). And that in particular, those streams and rivers Feenstra observed had become so much clearer, as a result of filtration by those muscle populations.
Part of 'the point' about the above, is in fly fishing we looked at bait imitation as a largely insect-based thing, for centuries, because it worked. Anglers like Feenstra began to expand the edges or boundaries of it, until we began to consider the possibility that fish could hunt things other than insects to sustain themselves on. And that opened up 'a new tool box' we had previously not accessed. That's sort of where we are at present, and are enjoying the experience of where we're 'living through' this first period in fly fishing history, when there are lots of brand new tools in the tool box to try out. The delivery system used (our fly fishing lines etc which carries the weightless or almost weightless lure), is something that has lagged behind a little bit in it's development. An angler, councidently a Pacific rainbow steelhead angler down-sized his winter steelhead line system to an extent to where Ed Ward the angler explained, this line delivery system has potential to be used on eastern type of water, and warmer water species of fish. Precisely because in eastern water one doesn't have 'back cast' space to use (like one sees on the Big Horn river for example, overhead casting in 'A River Runs Through It'). So now, in fly fishing as far as warmer water, eastern States fishing goes, we've got two parts of the puzzle unlocked (the lures, and the line). Mind you, both anglers such as Ward and Feenstra would explain these points, having the knowledge it's a task for upcoming geberations to do, and to explore. They've fished their whole careers and taken things a certain distance, which has been gigantic. But there is a lot of it 'which still remains to be put together' from these different pieces. What one doesn't hear about at all in fly fishing, is something like as follows.
9th of January in 2025, episode 188 of Day Four with Frank (Matt and Frank both 'learned' electronics one could argue, how many anglers will practice the systems over winter croppie fishing). In the hopes of improving those skills for spring and summer competition on lakes. And Frank in talking about Open's competition (Frank I think won an Open), wondered how it had all come down to 'the minnow'. Matt added, well if you want to know what it feels to be Kevin Van Dam, tell one's fishing companion to throw a minnow over there (presumably having identified fish on screen), and 'count to five'. Now, if one was a young angler in 2025. You had a chouce between learning from Feenstra's bait fish book, and Ed Ward's line delivery systems, and putting those two parts of this puzzle together, and becoming a warm water fly fish angling pioneer. Doing things that few anglers have ever done before in America, or anywhere. Compared with throw a minnow over there, and 'count to five'. I know, that if I could go back to being a teenager again (and I still remember what it was like to discover fishing at that age). I know which 'train' that is now leaving the station in 2025, I would want to be on board. And I know it's not one that has to do with 'count to five'. And I know that Kevin (V D) himself, the best who ever did it, is excited to look forward to all of the fishing schools upcoming in 2025. Which is great. But even the great Kevin has no solution to the above, and the entire gear angling industry doesn't have either. Despite having 'ten' brands of lure on shelves, that all do a job or a task, all equally as efficiently. It's still being sort of compressed down to 'count to five'. The End.
I didn't get time to add one additional observation prior, and it is a push-back, or leaning back counter to the argument that the dream of younger sports persons should be to one day win a large national fishing competition event. One has to push back somewhat against that assumption. Why? Because the evidence of original, first generation tournament winning professional anglers seems to push back against this idea, or this assumption. Of what should be the best goal or target setting for younger sports persons. The broader context to this, is what authors such as Nicholas G. Carr had talked about, at the very beginning of the widespread use of services such as Google, or such as encyclopedias online (one can consider the modern interface to that sort of library of Alexandria re-constructed, this access to the sum total of human knowledge, the first way in which to interact with it was web pages like Wikipedia). And we all understand that each decade or so, the interface moves beyond a web page one (itself a kind of legacy of printed media, web page interfaces were designed to be interpreted by a population who had grown up in printed media). Each generation that goes by, we lose that connection back to printed media, and the need to emulate that format by means of web pages etc, evaporates. To the point at which younger generations ask questions, and something happebs by which an answer is provided. Nicholas G. Carr was before his time in writing about things such as Wikipedia. He suggested, it meant the replacement of the subject matter expert, who had been a human person.
The first generation, the Roland Martin's or Bill Dance's, and many others. They didn't grow up in a world in which the dream or goal should be to win a national bass fishing competition. However, the Roland's and the Bill's did grow up in a time in which the human being as subject matter expert, still meant something. And the success at fishing 'in competition' had been a by-product to that original goal to become a subject matter expert. Anglers such as Rick Clunn also spring to mind. One has to be cautious as Alan Kay explained about twenty years ago, that we don't allow what should be sub-goals to become elevated to the status of becoming primary goals. The winning of competitions isn't a primary goal. It is a sub-goal. There's a reason why we still know about the Clunn's, the Martin's, the Dance's in fishing even today. Because there careers were constructed, and produced longeivity. Because primary goals were cleared defined as such, and so were sub-goals confined to being of the status which they deserve. The reason I listen to Roland now, isn't because Roland was angler of the year. It's because I consider Roland to be a subject matter expert, even today.
The reason that I mention Nicholas G. Carr now, is that he was one of the first bloggers, writers to document this shift as he saw it happening at Harvard university. He could observe that the status of the subject matter expert was being eroded, in favor of platforms such as Wikipedia (there was one unified voice at the time in technology who heralded the arrival of these collaborative systems, like search, and like encyclopedia's as a wonderful accomplishment). Carr's writing at that time was one of the few to challenge the assumptions, looking at potential downsides. To the extent to which I would argue, that if the Roland's and the Bill's back in the old days had a technology like modern sonar, they would use that technology in a different way. As I explained, the technology may have been used to pursue even to a greater extent, the primary goal of achievement of subject matter expertise. I'm not sure if Roland or Bill would ever say, let's use this technology to replace all of our existing lures, and use this technology to win more competitions instead. Because in the 70's or 80's using sonar, may have enabled them to win AOY by even wider margins. But the currency or thing of value at that time (for example, television broadcast medium), wasn't look at me, I win things. The currency in that time, was expertise. We have to be cautious in terms of assumptions. Should the primary goal of young folks really be something as banal, as winning a fishing tournament? Is that really the most that we can aspire to?
If you are looking at a 12 inch computer screen on the front of a boat, you are not soaking up the outdoors or mother nature!
Randy is a straight fluro man 82% of the time haha. He's all about them percentages