EVGA 3080 XC3 vs FTW3 - worst thermals I've ever seen...
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:26 Trade Gigabyte eGPU for XC3
1:48 Unboxing
4:34 Size Comparison
5:42 Power Requirements
8:44 Installation of GPUs
13:30 Intro to Abby (our Goldendoodle)
14:05 Gaming Performance
15:15 Mining Performance
17:03 Why Buy an XC3?
18:59 Conclusion
20:27 Custom Watercooling? 
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My original evga3080ti was running 80+ degrees i called evga got an rma now my new one is running mid 70's
Oh really?! That's good to know. I'm going to pin this comment so others with a 3000 series EVGA could perhaps get it RMA'd under warranty.
@JohnLCharette Yup. I bought it open boxfrom best buy last year and while doing some research on the card noticed my rgb wasn't working plus it was running a bit hot. It's more than likely a refurbished gpu with new thermals but I'm very happy with the card now. ✌️🤣
Is it hotspot temps or memory temps or the normal gpu temps
Okay, after research, the XC3 has no fan issue nor any construction limitation, but instead it has a software one. Apparently the fan curve is set up so that the noise is minimized and even at higher temperatures the card limits itself for some reason. That being the case it is something very easily configurable with software and it should pretty much solve any issues.
Hey Gabzsy, thanks for the info! When I was testing cards, I’d set both fan speeds at either 70 or 80% of their max speed. Anything higher than that usually sounds like a jet engine.
My experience was that a FTW3 at 70% fan speed cooled much better than an XC3 at the same speeds. I did conclude that if I ran the XC3 at 100% fan speed, I could keep similar temps but it was very loud.
@@JohnLCharette That's interesting. Diverging data! What I read is that this model would perform just as well with a higher fan speed and would result at a similar or lower fan noise. Maybe some of the tests had different parameters and conditions plus the different units can totally deliver different results.
@Gabzsy yes very interesting! I know a lot of people love their XC3, so I don't want to crap on it too much. EVGA are very smart people and I feel like they'll do their best to create the best 2-slot card that they can. I'd like to see a comparison to the Asus TUF. To me, that's Asus' 2nd tier card vs their Strix.. similar to the FTW3 vs XC3.
Might wanna re do your research. XC3 has horrible issue with fans dying
MSI After Burner and then RMA if dies
Didn't catch it but are these the 10gb or 12gb models? Do you know if there was any defense made in them as far as thermals?
Sorry, I should have clarified the version - they were both 10gb models. Are you asking if EVGA knows about the poor thermals?
@@JohnLCharette do they?
@Breno, I would imagine they do. @TEAMEVGA is a very smart group. I'm guessing they created the XC3 line as a GPU that could fit into smaller cases with less power requirements, but also less cooling. That way they can appeal to both markets. If you want the best of the best, get the FTW3.
Only reason I bought this card was because it was one of only two or three choices that would fit into my build. I have a Corsair Crystal 460X case which is pretty small for a mid-tower, a front mounted rad, and a cable mod vertical GPU mount. That means I have very little horizontal space to work with. My Aorus 1080ti for example, was 1mm away from touching the front rad
@Harry yes, that's the exact reason why you'd want to buy this card. You get the full potential of a 3080, inside a smaller form factor. Of course, the cards ability to cool itself is compromised, but that's part of the game. Have you considered water-cooling it?
i have EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra / evga precision x1 - 3xfans on 65percent / max temp under full load + - 65 degrees /case be quiet! DARK BASE 900 big tower / room temp + - 25 degrees
the problem with most PC cases is that there is no exhaust fan on the side of the case, so the sideways heat that blows out the card cannot escape, I solved that simply by placing a case fan on the left removable panel. If you keep your case closed, you will also retain most of the heat from the VGA card. And I can tell you that EVGA VGA cards are one of the top best of the best. Unfortunately, EVGA no longer makes graphics cards.
Thanks for sharing your experience with an EVGA FTW3. They are incredible cards! I agree, that side vent can make a huge difference in removing heat. Are you considering upgrading any time soon?
@@JohnLCharette no, all my games run smooth
Running an I79700k with a ventus 2070 super.
I sold my 2070 and am looking to replace it with a 3080. I have a couple options including both of these however I dont know which I should go for. Both options are near the same $450ish price point. Any thoughts on which I should choose?
FTW3 is a much better card, but it’s also bigger. If you have the space in your case, I highly recommend it. XC3 was designed for smaller form factor PCs.
i just got a super clean xc3 ultra off ebay for about 425 to upgrade my 1080ti (in a 4790k system) and it was a nice upgrade but died with a power error in a month. EVGA honors 2nd party RMAs which i just learned and it should be back this week but i wasn't aware there was so much difference between evga 3080s and i'll probably put it right back on ebay and get one that's more reliable.
Awww, I'm sorry to hear that. I can't speak to the reliability between an FTW3 and an XC3. They were designed at two different price points with different purposes. I'm not sure if they used cheaper components in the XC3.. but it's very possible to cut costs.
That's incredible to hear that EVGA is supporting the warranty. I love and miss them so much
@@JohnLCharette Grabbed a 3080 TI for $550, Been pretty good since
Thinking of upgrading to the 3080 ftw from a msi 3070 gaming trio. Do you think its worth it, I game with an ultrawide 1440p monitor and would like to eventually upgrade to a 4k monitor.
Hey Neil, I would absolutely consider upgrading. Two reasons: First, I dislike the Gaming Trio cards. Their thermals SUCK! There's a huge design flaw and their VRAM isn't touching the heatsink. You can find videos about it online. Secondly, you'll see a 25-30% boost in performance from a 3070 to 3080. I use a 34" ROG Ultrawide 1440p monitor @ 100hz, and my 3080 works well. I've tried 3090s and 3090 Tis and I still believe that a Strix or FTW3 3080 is the best GPU for the price. Let me know what you end up deciding!
@@JohnLCharette thanks for the quick reply. I have not ran into any overheating issues with my card however I do find that the performance is lacking from time to time. I have decided to pull the trigger on the 3080 as the price seem right and I shouldn't have any issues selling my 3070.
Good call and 100% agree. You’ll sell your 3070 easy peasy.
@@JohnLCharette i know it late but can you do a GPU roundup? Whats the best card? From msi? Asus? Gigabyte? Evga? Asrock? And other not well known brands?. And is it worth to spend more or less on a card from a brand? Or it doesnt matter one bit who you buy it from
I’d be happy to create a comparison video explaining why you may or may not want to pay for different brand cards. I’ll add it to my list. No promises when I’ll get it done, but appreciate the idea! Thanks for watching :)
Was able to get a 3080 FTW3 ULTRA 12gb from best buy for $799 the other day. Now I’m just heavily debating whether I want to get rid of my midnight black 6800 xt for it 🫠 if I keep the 6800 xt I’ll just be canceling my Best Buy order. thoughts?
Hey Trujay, for me, it's all about the NVIDIA ecosystem/software. I use NVIDIA Broadcast every day with work and really enjoy the software side of their products. I have also used a 6800 XT and although it may be slightly faster in most games, I enjoyed the full experience of a 3080 more. My two cents.
Are the fans enough to keep the gpu not to damage? Or is it really a problem?
Oh yes. There's no concern that the XC3 card won't properly cool itself with it's own fans. Consider that I was REALLY pushing those cards with GPU mining when I tested them.. that puts extra load on the VRAM specifically. If you're using it for normal use, gaming.. it'll be fine. I still say the FTW3 is a much better cooled card, but they are designed that way.
Hey John Your videos are always relevant to me as I was about to order a couple of the XC3 at Canadian MSRP. Maybe I should watch the video before I pull the trigger LOL.
Also sorry, I thought I responded to your last reply but hadn't.
Yes! Definitely check it out. If you are ordering a couple, are you planning to mine with them? If so, I’d recommend getting FTW3 cards due to VRAM temps on the XC3. Let me know your thoughts after you watch it.
@@JohnLCharette Thanks for the advice, I ordered the FTW3 card instead of XC3, because yes I am mining!
Comments on the vid? I've worked in IT turning screwdrivers for almost 25 years now.. and I was screaming at this point.. ruclips.net/video/aC2CcIvSzVo/видео.html Lay down the machine, lay down the machine! LOL
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@@JohnLCharette Boom mics have their place but lapel is the way to go. Good job 👍
You deserve more subs, Keep up the good work bro. Hopefully one day I see 100K behind your user name.
Aww, you just made my entire week. Thank you so much and appreciate the love.
I need the xc3 slot width to fit two of them in my case, so how do I keep them cool because I also don't have room for two more 240mm fans that some come with? Undervolt them? What other mods will work? Fur baby, ha ha ha!
Have you considered a custom watercooling loop? I know it's expensive, but using waterblocks on your GPUs would solve your space and any heat issues. That, or you could do hybrid models, like you suggested. Another way would be to mount one GPU in slot #1, and then mount the 2nd GPU vertically using a PCI Express v4 extension and mount it somewhere else. I've seen people get pretty creative with non-standard GPU mounting locations.
@@JohnLCharetteThe more I think about it the more I am coming to realize, just wait and buy one of the 4000 series titan (4090ti?) ... the one card that rules them all, kinda thing, ha ha ha! No seriously it seems the most practical and future proof choice going forward.
Yup, that's probably a great idea! Hopefully stock isn't like it was with the 3000 series and you can get one within the first 6 months.
Currently have a 2600x and a Vega 56. Managed to get a 5800x for $285 and a FTW3 for $830 both brand new and sealed. Pretty excited to get back home and try it as I have been gone for 6 months for work. :)
Ohh yeah, that's an incredible upgrade. Good for you! What model FTW3 did you buy?
@@JohnLCharette I got the 3080. Oops forgot to mention that. 😂
do you think they know about the issue with the thermals? people are replacing them and i dont want to mess with the warranty
Oh yeah, I'm sure EVGA is well aware of it. Consider it isn't only the thermal pads, but the size of the heatsink as well. They designed the card to fit into 2 slots, which limits them. Can replacing the thermal pads help? I would think so.. but I feel the same way, I don't like voiding my warranty unless it's absolutely necessary. Assuming you have room in your case, I'd recommend trading up to a FTW3.
Hey bro i sow this vidio from moroco i want to asck you i have gpu 3080ti evga ftw3 it take 400w is that normal or not and the hate 83 degres
Yes, that's normal. The FTW3 3080 Ti can draw up to 400w of power at peak power draw. When you say 83 degrees, do you mean the GPU core or the VRAM? You're right, that's pretty hot for the core.. for VRAM, that's totally fine. You could also consider updating/changing the thermal pads on your card. I did it for your exact card here: ruclips.net/video/VS4dZjQA0Zg/видео.html
I went from a Zotac 1070 to dual Zotac 1070s to a EVGA 2080 Super. I sold the 2080 and bought a Zotac 3080 Trinity and OMG what a mistake. That thing has to be the loudest piece of crap I've ever owned. It was so annoying (even after undervolting) that I had to sell it and thanks to your video I'm going for a 3080 FTW3.
Aww, sorry to hear you had an issue with your Zotac card. I haven't used them myself but it isn't the first time I've heard issues. Good, I'm glad my video helped. Now that EVGA isn't making GPUs anymore, you'll need to find a used one. Make sure you check the serial number to confirm how much warranty is left on it. I was VERY happy with my 3080 FTW3 :)
I'm a year late but you should always avoid Zotac. Always.
So you are literally saying you are a scalper. I am glad you had no hit.
How?
Yeah, I'm not sure either. I tend to ignore these types of comments. Yes, I purchased cards and resell them, but I'm not going to gouge people.
@@JohnLCharette 3:25 Bro, you openly admit to scalping in the video. Also, the BIOS switch isn't just a new fan profile, you just don't know how to overclock your card. It's pretty clear from start to end you have no clue what you're talking about and I'm glad to hear you got financially burnt on this.
@crowonthepowerlines I just re-watched it to confirm. I say that I posted the card for $1600 and it hadn't moved.. and then say that a few months ago, I 'could have' posted it for $2200 and sold it easily. I didn't say that I did that, just that I could have done that. It was a comment speaking about how markets have changed drastically. I don't appreciate the multiple bashes in the comments.
@@JohnLCharette "I only resold it for 2x the MSRP instead of 3x" Still scalping man. I'd do the same thing though , but I am happy to see the stock price of cards crash and scalpers get burned.
I picking up one today for 580 after tax at micro center is an open box item but they give u a great return policy and also warranty with them and manufacturer
Amazing deal! Hope you love the card.
Hey, super video!
I just wanted to ask. I have now option to buy XC3 but the Ti version for 850$ or the FTW3 normal version for 720$.
I'm gonna use the card only for gaming in very big case with good airflow.
What's your recommendation? Love the vid!
Good morning! Thank you so much for watching. I would personally buy the cheaper 3080 FTW3 because it's better built and has a much better look with it's RGB. The performance difference between the 3080 and the 3080 Ti isn't very much. I'll keep saying it, the 3080 is the best bang for your buck. The 3080 Ti's were over priced for what you got. Hope this helps! Let me know what you end up getting.
I'm gonna return my unopened ftw3 3080 for an xc3 3080 ti due to the price right now. I don't do mining, I only game so I think I'll be fine. I got three case fans and a 3 fan aio cooler so as long as I got good airflow I think I'll be okay, even if the card runs hotter.
Sure! That sounds like a solid upgrade from a 3080 to a 3080 Ti. I’m glad you understood that although the cooling isn’t as great on the XC3, it’s still a solid card that’ll perform just as well in games. Good for you!
@11:48 you are definitely choking the airflow to the FTW3 card, ouch
Ohh yeah, I would never recommend running both cards like that. It was just for demonstration to see both cards side be side in a system.
So I shouldn't get a 3080ti XC3? I found a new one for $820 from a 3rd party seller on Amazon, I really don't want to pay 1,200 for the ROG one.
It's up to you. The cards perform very similar while gaming. The XC3 will run a lot warmer. For mining, definitely don't use them as the VRAM temps get very hot. I prefer the look of the FTW3 as well with the additional lights, but RGB isn't for everyone. I don't think you'll be disappointed with an XC3, as long as heat isn't a big issue. Let me know what you end up grabbing and your experience.
I'd go for it. I just got the xc3 3080 ti. If you adjust the fan curve accordingly and have a good airflow case, you shouldn't run into any issues.
I bought the xc3 I absolutely love it plus i got it at a super good deal new 500$ no tax I can’t complain
For these cards do i have to download any software to customize the rgb lights if so can you drop a link please. i have a ECLIPSE P350X case. i also want to upgrade but i want to use my old parts am i able to? i have an i7 7700k 16gig ram would i just have to replace the motherboad and my aio has a bracket for amd and intel corsair. my case where the power supply is, is incredibly hard to get tod, what is your case in this video you are using? can you still buy the EVGA FTW cards still? i really want one of those. rtx 3080 or 3090
@HotSizzleTV yes you can download EVGA software called Precision X1 to configure your RGB lights on your GPU. I'm using a Phanteks P500A case in that video. I loved that case and miss it very much. But yes, to answer your question. You can should be able to swap the motherboard, CPU & RAM and keep everything else in your system. Lastly, no you cannot buy EVGA FTW3's from retail stores anymore as they aren't making them anymore. You can only buy them used. I still recommend the FTW3. They are amazing!
Just picked up a evga ultra ftw3 3060 ti and a 5800x . Upgrading from my 1660 ti 2600 prebuilt . Gonna build this next one in the works right now 👊 the evga ultra without rgb is a huge card imo my 1660 ti was a 1 fan tiny little guy
Ohh yeah, that's a huge upgrade! You can get 3060 Ti's with a single fan from MSI, but more fans = better ;) Good luck with your build!
The thermals probably suck cause that memory is running at 19000MHz. Lol.
prices are now normal got the rtx 3080 Ti 799 from newegg
That's amazing! Good deal for sure. What brand/model did you end up buying?
So you make an video 20+ minutes and you don't show cards running and taking some measurements?
@Mos Ion Roata, I'm always looking to improve my videos. If you have any recommendations with what types of measurements you'd like to see and how, please let me know.
@@JohnLCharette If you do a side by side comparison when benchmarking, it could be a lot more informative and transparent. Just a heads up, nice content otherwise.
This card only getting 72Mh?S is sad. I have a normal 3080 taken from an HP OMEN and it hits 98MH/s And the memory is only 9500MHz. This cards memory is 19000MHz. Lol. This card a waste of money. Lol.
where the fuck is the benchmark omg lord waste my 200 mb data
Gaming peforrmance 14:06
Exactly! Everyone thinks the asus is better because of specs people need to stop letting s piece of paper tell them how performance is. The ftw3 can beat out an asus 3080 in thermals. Ive said it to many people regardless of what others may believe. I literally got into an argument today on reddit with people about It. Because supposedly evga could keep up in there opinion im like thats just not true lol. Evga always somehow out performs its specs. It always is better then people ans it usually gets top of the charts in real world usage especially with overclocking. Does asus have insanely high quality vrm? Yes they do but yet it still doesn't make it better. Its clewr evga went for stability this year ans it has clearly hhelped. Just like it 3090ti it has the bedt temps of any air cooled 3090ti on the mmarket. It in turn allows for better overclocking without thermal throttling happening. Its just so so good! People get so upset when I talk about evga being better b there step up program is awesome. There customer service is clearly the best. There cards always perform and outperform what they tell you it is guaranteed to do. They sre the overclocking cards imo. So people should stop just saying something more expensive is bbetter. Like asus I amazing but it doesn't mean in real world its better evga at mimum is as good. Its why evga and asus are always placed 1-2 every year now they are always the top for performance ans not specs or a list but performance by Testing.
Jacob or Peter from EVGA, is that you? ;) Love the thorough comment! I think we'd get along great. I completely agree with you. Currently, I have two 3080s.. a Strix and a FTW3. I've compared them both and the FTW3 out performs it every time. Better cooling and I can push the VRAM much harder when mining. I'm working on a new build soon and selling off that 2nd system. I'm going to sell the Strix and keep the FTW3 for myself ;)
@@JohnLCharette yeah Def not Jacob or Peter but I agree. It's crazy because you have publications going oh its only a stretched founders edition pcb they didn't do anything extra. It's like wow are you kidding me? It's getting tiring seeing the publications always look internally and think they can assume it's performance won't be as good. Yet it's able to push more power and its able to OC better. Not to mention it has 19 phases compared to 14 lol. It's kind of like the evga ftw3 3090ti. It doesn't have 24 phases it has 21 yet people are getting 2225 to 2250 stable which most other air cards are not getting. It's cooling never gets above 65 to 70c either. It's a monster and it's outperforming all the other air cooled 3090ti yet if you look at msi suprim x you would assume the msi would outperform it due to the extra phases yet it doesn't. Most are getting around 2165 stable on that card tops! Evga just knows what they are doing to make a stable card that can be pushed. It's pretty incredible and people reslly need to test these cards instead of listening to publications that only read specs. Like techpowerup I love them but at first the msi suprim x was looking like it was going to outperform the evga. Yet when you look at there real world numbers ans there testing in games. You match up each game and the evga beats it even stock by 1 to 2fps. Then when overlclocked it was able to be pushed further yet the initial page they placed the suprim x higher because of certain things that imo don't really tell you everything. So when it came to performance the evga beat it. Idk how evga does it but they know what they are doing. They have been at the top with performance for a while now.
@@JohnLCharette Name dropping is only impressive if people recognize the names🤣
@@crowonthepowerlines I mean many people know of Jacob or Peter if they are evga fans. I'm just not either of them. But I do love me some evga.
@@reviewforthetube6485 Who are these "many people" who are on a first name basis with EVGA staff? This is clearly meant to garner credibility by implying that the channel has contact with EVGA staff without providing any evidence.
How do you run a tech channel and still connect gpus using a pig tail cable omg, you are just gonna burn them
Omg, I know right.. pig tail cables are the worst. Why do they even make them!?
@@JohnLCharette you should fr do a research on it, as literally nvidia do not recommend it since with high demanding cards as the 3080 it could overload the pig tail cable and easily damage the card
I don't disagree with you. I recorded that video almost two years ago now. I haven't touched a pigtail PSU cable since shortly after the 4000 series came out. I only use dedicated 12vhpwr cables.
That being said, for my video, I only installed those cards like that for 10 minutes just to show them off side by side.
My xc3 is fine
Lol now you can get a ftw card for $800 lol
Yup! So true. How times change so quickly ;)
@@JohnLCharette thankfully.. I spent $1,600 on a 3080... But I'll be upgrading to a 3090ti or 4080 if I can nab one when they come out which I think is a possibility with the lack of miners.. Lol I hope all the miners are happy. They get what they deserve..
Good vid also Cute dog.
Thank you so much, you are super kind.
water cooling GPUs is stupid, don't do it....
Ohhh, I love controversial comments. Please elaborate. Why do you think it's stupid and I should avoid it?
@@JohnLCharette dude, you deletet my reply. that's not nice... man, was is jealousy? because I promoted a guy who fixes GPUs to you?
@p4adigm989.. nah, I didn't delete any messages. Sometimes Google deletes them, though. Repost it! Now I'm really curious ;)
they deleted it again... sorry cant properly answer you apparently
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Brooooo
This guy is a confirmed gamer.
Thanks for watching!