Great conversation! I’m onboard with all of it. Evolution is now in our own hands and we are certainly capable of moving toward the good future we all want. Thank you.
@@PeebeesPet Maybe that’s why this current age has been called the Anthropocene. Our species has become so dominant that our actions, wise and not wise, are determining the future of our planet. Our biosphere, culture, politics and religions are obviously all affected by what we do today & in the near future. What’s wrong with humanism?
I really like the concept of the Noosphere. Teillhard de Chardin popularized the idea and the theory that Evolution is guided by increasing complexity and teleology which consists of the Geosphere, leading to the Biosphere, leading to the Noosphere.
IMHO Teilhard de Chardin in the _Phenomenon of Man_ intended the noösphere to be the driver of the last stage of evolution, culminating in the Omega Point. Daniel C. Dennett's _Singularity_ perhaps?
.. as a German Biologist - In first Semester Biology We had to study Radiolaria The Art drawings of Haeckel Mind Boggling My impression led me to Concept Theory Like a Crystal Field Places Ions on the EXACT place The Concept Field Arranges particles to the position for interaction and interference This is the SPEED of All Evolution High Speed Evolution The concept Field is integral part of the Space structure Ordering fields and particles The Intelligence is integral in Space strucure We at best Resonate with those fields Ignorant Arrogants destroy The Nature of Evil and WAR
Noosphere sounds to me like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, without the nuttiness. At some point could the noosphere have the effect of energy fields that can on its own have a sort of converging stickiness? Deacons doesn't go here, probably because in part that everyone has seen the unmitigated condemnation of anyone willing to merely propose that question. But when we discuss emergence, I dont see how one could ignore that possibility.
I'm not sure I follow tbh- yes, we have pooled our knowledge together into one large repository that we can all access now- but how is that creating a collective consciousness? That seems to be what he's suggesting- that somehow all the data on the internet and in books and so forth will self-assemble and start having goals or something- wtf?? I don't get it.
@@stoneysdead689 you seem to understand my metaphor. It’s what the noosphere is all about. Understanding WHAT it is is very simple. Understanding HOW a collective mind will emerge is the hard part. And that’s where my analogy comes in. Hope this helps
If you understood anything of deacons view of language and of causality, you wouldn't ask him if the noosphere was substantive. His whole point is that substances are the only part of the story.
Via the internet, yes. Assuming you live in the US, think back to before the 90-2000s. There might be too much sharing of information, in the name of "Free Speech" infact.
From my hour of looking at the concept. The Noosphere seems to be a new age concept promising a great new future of purpose for mankind. Hmmm ! An interesting, but totally unrealistic idea considering he is taking about this humanity. Where we have to make world ending weapons to protect ourselves other tribes that just as aggressive as we are. And where tribilistic religious and cultural biases still rein supreme.
The noosphere is anything but a new age concept. It is a pivotal stage in the evolutionary development of mankind and was as inevitable as the emergence of science or powered flight. It is a direct adjunct of the human brains expanded size and growing capacity to interact with and alter its surrounding environment. The noosphere represents an extension of thought by artificial means whereby knowledge and information is socialized and preserved for future reference. It forgets nothing and its growing body of knowledge and information is cumulative. I guarantee that every scientists or medical professional consults the internet when confronted with a question or problem that seems unsolvable. All of us whether we know it or not are presently immersed in the noosphere. This computer, my television, my phone and all digitized and non-digitized forms of human communication are parts of the noosphere but it's their linked connectivity that ultimately gives the noosphere its power. The noosphere is changing the world and its influence is expanding rapidly.
@@michaelmckinney7240 It's easy for someone to look at this and imagine that some sort of new age spiritualist nonsense, but I agree with you it's entirely rationally grounded. Undirected evolution leads to the development of directed, intentional and goal drive intelligence. We have a thorough and actionable account of that process and we understand it very well. Then that goal driven intelligence takes control of physical and informational development, directing it towards long term goals. It sounds teleological, but there is a distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic teleology. Intrinsic teleology is the one we're used to, the idea that natural processes have goals intrinsic to them and without any external guidance. The noosphere is about the rise and dominance of extrinsic teleology, which is activity directed by an intelligence that directly manipulates causal forces towards it's objectives.
Welcome to the Nerdsphere!
When I saw the mini thumbnail I thought he was interviewing bubbles from trailer park boys
The perennial classic of Canada? 😂
Julian and Bubbs, 30 years from now
Great conversation! I’m onboard with all of it. Evolution is now in our own hands and we are certainly capable of moving toward the good future we all want. Thank you.
The good future “some” want. Others think, why bother, since the main point of it all is to go to heaven.
Your comment is a great example of the extremes of anthropocentrism and humanism.
@@PeebeesPet Maybe that’s why this current age has been called the Anthropocene. Our species has become so dominant that our actions, wise and not wise, are determining the future of our planet. Our biosphere, culture, politics and religions are obviously all affected by what we do today & in the near future. What’s wrong with humanism?
I really like the concept of the Noosphere. Teillhard de Chardin popularized the idea and the theory that Evolution is guided by increasing complexity and teleology which consists of the Geosphere, leading to the Biosphere, leading to the Noosphere.
I agree. Teillhard de Chardin indeed had a good understanding.
IMHO Teilhard de Chardin in the _Phenomenon of Man_ intended the noösphere to be the driver of the last stage of evolution, culminating in the Omega Point. Daniel C. Dennett's _Singularity_ perhaps?
Interesting interview, I love these CTT Chats because they allow for the discussion to be much more detailed.
The universal mind; all information is contained in the universe; we only receive the information with our mind.
.. as a German Biologist -
In first Semester Biology
We had to study
Radiolaria
The Art drawings of Haeckel
Mind Boggling
My impression led me to
Concept Theory
Like a Crystal Field
Places Ions on the EXACT place
The Concept Field
Arranges particles to the position for interaction and interference
This is the SPEED of All Evolution
High Speed Evolution
The concept Field is integral part of the Space structure
Ordering fields and particles
The Intelligence is integral in Space strucure
We at best
Resonate with those fields
Ignorant Arrogants destroy
The Nature of Evil and WAR
Noosphere sounds to me like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, without the nuttiness. At some point could the noosphere have the effect of energy fields that can on its own have a sort of converging stickiness? Deacons doesn't go here, probably because in part that everyone has seen the unmitigated condemnation of anyone willing to merely propose that question. But when we discuss emergence, I dont see how one could ignore that possibility.
As the Prophet Muhammad said, this physical world is only a garden for growing seedlings for another world.
I don't think Robert is impressed 😊 wow. Thank you!
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So simply put a n00sphere is referring to collective consciousness.
What if the νοῦς (noûs) is self?
Moosphere? The collective mooing of all the cows in the world. If they all mooed at once, I can't even predict what would happen.
RLK!!!
I'm not sure I follow tbh- yes, we have pooled our knowledge together into one large repository that we can all access now- but how is that creating a collective consciousness? That seems to be what he's suggesting- that somehow all the data on the internet and in books and so forth will self-assemble and start having goals or something- wtf?? I don't get it.
Does a single neuron “get” the mind? Of course not. Just keep firing, and let the mind do its thing.
@@todrichards1105 LOL- So you don't get it either huh? Cute little metaphor you thought up though- even if it doesn't really mean anything.
@@stoneysdead689 you seem to understand my metaphor. It’s what the noosphere is all about. Understanding WHAT it is is very simple. Understanding HOW a collective mind will emerge is the hard part. And that’s where my analogy comes in. Hope this helps
Kudos from 444 Gematria!
If you understood anything of deacons view of language and of causality, you wouldn't ask him if the noosphere was substantive. His whole point is that substances are the only part of the story.
There's nothing new under the Son. Or was it Sun? Who knows; maybe it is (the) Self.
Hopefully Humanism will play a strong role in such a noosphere.
A lot More Sharing of information in the US?
😂
Via the internet, yes. Assuming you live in the US, think back to before the 90-2000s. There might be too much sharing of information, in the name of "Free Speech" infact.
Noose fear is a terrible name.
From my hour of looking at the concept. The Noosphere seems to be a new age concept promising a great new future of purpose for mankind. Hmmm ! An interesting, but totally unrealistic idea considering he is taking about this humanity. Where we have to make world ending weapons to protect ourselves other tribes that just as aggressive as we are. And where tribilistic religious and cultural biases still rein supreme.
The noosphere is anything but a new age concept. It is a pivotal stage in the evolutionary development of mankind and was as inevitable as the emergence of science or powered flight. It is a direct adjunct of the human brains expanded size and growing capacity to interact with and alter its surrounding environment. The noosphere represents an extension of thought by artificial means whereby knowledge and information is socialized and preserved for future reference. It forgets nothing and its growing body of knowledge and information is cumulative. I guarantee that every scientists or medical professional consults the internet when confronted with a question or problem that seems unsolvable.
All of us whether we know it or not are presently immersed in the noosphere. This computer, my television, my phone and all digitized and non-digitized forms of human communication are parts of the noosphere but it's their linked connectivity that ultimately gives the noosphere its power. The noosphere is changing the world and its influence is expanding rapidly.
@@michaelmckinney7240 It's easy for someone to look at this and imagine that some sort of new age spiritualist nonsense, but I agree with you it's entirely rationally grounded. Undirected evolution leads to the development of directed, intentional and goal drive intelligence. We have a thorough and actionable account of that process and we understand it very well. Then that goal driven intelligence takes control of physical and informational development, directing it towards long term goals.
It sounds teleological, but there is a distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic teleology. Intrinsic teleology is the one we're used to, the idea that natural processes have goals intrinsic to them and without any external guidance. The noosphere is about the rise and dominance of extrinsic teleology, which is activity directed by an intelligence that directly manipulates causal forces towards it's objectives.