Hey Victoria, you are so right! I hate it when people don't take seriously what they should take seriously. I would never, ever even talk in ballet class about other things non-ballet related. Call me boring, but when you're doing something that requires focusing, you have to focus on that, not on what movie you're gonna watch at the weekend. Plus, any teacher, should be respected because they are trying us to learn something we like, or need to know, and that's not an easy task. It looks like respect isn't in fashion on tiktok or in any social media, plus, it's a word whose meaning kids aren't taught anymore, I guess.
yes, it's combination of things influencing the current trends! i find i learn (and teach!) best in an environment that has very few distractions. i like efficiency. i also like fun! i just don't think that fun automatically has to equate to being LOUD
Just started teaching at a comp school for the first time in a long career. I was reading the program for the last recital and it actually encouraged the audience to yell during performance! Time for some etiquette lessons for this bunch.
I agree with everything you are saying. Usage of those terms is definitely appropriation. I have not had this problem where I dance. If a studio encouraged this behaviour, I would leave. I am in my 30s and believe phones need to be away, and attention should be with the instructor. Ballet isn't always fun, it requires concentration and detailed understanding for your development and safety. I have also noticed the "TikTok" dancers show up in pretty outfits for a while, do their selfies, and then are gone a few weeks later. When I was young, we called those "posers".
Back in my day, we could lightly tap our legs as applause in class. Anything loud enough that could drown out the teacher giving corrections was very frowned upon. I should add we had one teacher for pas de deux who said encouraging things while we danced in class, which meant more than Becky over there yelling for me or whatever.
It's so odd how someone thinks there's no other way to have fun other than shouting, lol. For me, the shouting takes all the fun OUT of it, because all I can hear is shouting. This was even in hip hop class. Was lucky enough to escape it in ballet.
Good points! Another might be the role of silence in dance. There is music but there is also silence which adds a level of intimacy and mystery. The dancer is communicating through movement in and with silence. Its a bit of a paradox - the dancer is a silent vessel for the music - why would we want to disturb this?
I so wish the general public would stop appropriating black queer culture. My white nieces who have attended a private conservative christian school since they were very young use this same terminology. At the last family gathering I heard one of them say to the other, "You do you, boo," and thought I was going to lose my mind right then and there. This video got an immediate like and subscribe. I started ballet at the late age of 14 back in 1995. I danced six days a week all throughout high school and then two or three days a week through college and into my mid-twenties. I was away from it for over a decade coming back at 36. I'm now 43. I often find myself longing for the respectful and disciplined classes of my youth. The difference between 2005 and 2024 seems surreal at times.
I totally agree that we need to be pushing authentic etiquette in Ballet. I hate when the audience applauses during the performance it just throws me off honestly whether its community performance or company performance.
I've got several high school teachers in my family. They are definitely given instructions to be babysitters and entertainers first. Actual learning nowdays comes last.
yes, i struggle with this too! i know i can be a really good and effective teacher, i have so much knowledge i want to share. but i'm not good at being super-duper fun all the time. i have my moments and short bursts of entertainment, and i always try to tie it back to the ballet class. but i have little 8-year-olds telling me "this isn't fun!" and i respond with "well that's because i'm here to teach you, not be fun!"
@@SaltySugarPlum this is part of the [artistic] education? Contrast. We can be serious and studied and sombre and intense..but then there are the moments that are playful and creative and light and comedic. Without the one there could not be the other - just a mush of anarchy and chaos.
@@SaltySugarPlum this reminds me that our child class teachers used to talk about the teacher with the correction cane and other horror stories to illustrate if we think we have it bad in class, they had it worse
Please make a video about these really young teachers who want to speed through barre to get to the center and immediately start jumping. I’ve had several young teachers do this (and one older one did it as well), like literally skipping most of the class and going straight to grand allegro. And also about those who throw on the fans and A/C at the beginning of class before anyone is even sweating, and how it is detrimental to our muscles to dance in a cold studio. I take a couple classes where my classmates either ask the teacher to turn the fans and a/c on, or they throw the fans on themselves when we are just at tendu. I have circulation problems and struggle with chronic injuries and chronic pain and inflammation, I need my muscles to be able to warm up. Especially because I am often the only one in the class using proper technique and doing combinations full out. Shivering through class takes so much of the class away from me and causes my muscles to go very tight hours later. I don’t understand why so many adult dancers think they are supposed to be comfortable and not break a sweat during a ballet class. And often times these women have on long sleeves and pants and layers, and instead of stripping the layers when they get warm, they throw the air on. Then I’m there having to put all my warmups back on the moment after I’ve started taking them off.
Hi Salty, could you please do a video in slow motion expaining how to do a gargouillade? Is it very similar to the pas de chat or completely different? I've seen videos in which dancers basically perform it as a pdc but more open and jumping higher (?).
I think I’d made comments to ballet class etiquette before. how important propriety is in a discipline that has customs. when we learn and continue to practice ballet we become part of a discipline that goes back centuries and still survives through us. we inherited this from one generation to the next. keeping the appropriate convention matters to keep that discipline alive in its authentic form. so keeping class etiquette is valuable. that’s why class etiquette exists I’ve never seen the “yeas kweens” cheers. though I’ve seen people leaning on the barre, talking, crowding the barre, looking bored and I myself, I’ve ran to get my water but I left my water by the door and I was feeling really dehydrated. it bothered me, even if it didn’t bother other people. I should always keep the krep I need by my barre. so ive broken that rule remind the students that there are fundamental principles that need to be kept for the discipline itself. there’s always room to have fun when there’s a break. come to think this is something teachers have addressed all through my ballet classes. why we do it the way we do it and no other way. and that we have a career whether we go professional or not. as long as we ballet, we have a career and that career has tradition i mean imagine you’re at a performance and your core partner next to you kills it. you’re not going to stop and clap for them. you keep that impulse under control until the show is over. same with class save the praise for break and I’m going to make this comment too long to talk about the “all the gear no ideas” that show up at class for posting on socials. for the love of posting not for the love of the class the tictokers with the large followings have been at the game for a longer than a decade and are professional or semiprofessional and in class as part of a company, that’s why they post the way they do
4:04 ahhh yes, the fake encouragement and always for the bare minimum. It always seems pretentious to me (in the classroom setting) because not only is the dancer taking the floor, you (as an observer) should be learning from what you’re watching. It definitely gives rooting for a “team” which is unfortunate when everyone is supposed to be apart of the same team/program/department/company/dance, etc.
Do you prefer leather ballet slippers or canvas I read that leather ballet slippers strengthen your feet at the Barre and canvas is better for Center work .. I like leather ballet slippers from Wear Moi they are just so comfortable and supportive at the barre BUT I find my feet get a little stuck sometimes not sure what to do anyways just wa ted to say hi from Toronto . Your the best I’ve only been dancing for 7 years and I still can’t jump
5:50 i think it’s a valid observation but I think silence at « « « « high art » » » performance is also a reflect of a recent practice. 18th century French public was known to talk and applaud and yell at most classical music/opera/ballet performances lol as it was considered an entertainment time. The 19th century made a lot of things turn serious and conservative. Changes are natural I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing 🤷♀️
I imagine all the noise will make it difficult to get feedback from the teachers for both the dancer and the people trying to hear the feedback from the teacher.
Your the best 🩰 I am a adult ballet beginner dancer I’m currently taking a beginner workshop at the National ballet of Canada in Toronto . Every Sunday morning till June I love it . I always on time for my ballet class. The class starts at 10 AM in the morning. I would like to get to the studio by at least 930 no later than that just so I have some time just to kind of do whatever I need to do before class starts what really bothers me that people arrive late the teacher still letting people arrive into the studio at quarter after 10 in the morning and it’s very distracting for me because well she’s giving us our combinations at the bar. I’m distracted by people moving around and trying to find a place in the barre and I just find it rude. It’s really really rude. Like I know sometimes things happen in life and the bus is late or the subways are having problems, It’s it’s a honour and privilege to be at this particular studio to dance at the Prima studio at The National Ballet Of Canada In Toronto and it’s a gorgeous studio where all the professional dancers train each day from the company and take their class so I feel very lucky to be there on Sunday mornings for an hour and a half anyways I just can’t stand it when people are late 🩰🎼🩰🎼🩰💗
I think it should also depend on the type of class. Perhaps that should me made clear by the teachers. I can see some ballet classes as part of an after school enrichment program where the goal is to get kids moving and involved but learning to dance professionally is not the goal. This nuance might be lost in the young people.
Great explications Victoria but, why this is not funny when ballet class learned and miss understand by the teacher like that ? Dancers couldn't not do it and enough as well or what ? And wrong dance edition ?
Odio los gritos y las porras en los programas de ballet en el teatro... Es una falta de respeto. El ballet tiene que ver con la música y esos gritos son basura para mis oídos
I know this is an old video but it might be good to reexamine some of the things you are saying here with regards to the behaviors you think are “correct”. In many cultures, (the one being most relevant here being black culture) responding to, giving feedback, and participating in art and performance is the correct and polite response, whereas silence is rude. (There are many examples, such as black churches.) Standing quietly is polite in white culture, so that is associated with art and learning and manners and correctness for you in your experience. Often this discomfort happens because of entering a different cultural space and it is really easy to equate the different behaviors with being “wrong” when it’s really a matter of you being within a culture you have less familiarity with and control of. I expected this video to be about ballet class etiquette, but was really surprised to see it extending to hip hop where the cultural expectations are frankly very different and controlled by the teacher, who deserves the respect to orchestrate their own class and their own instruction. Not really trying to call you out here but just sharing my honest reaction and hoping to invite you to reassess.
participating in art and performance is different than paying for an education in a learning environment. i have also taken hip hop classes where the teacher ran a tight ship and didn't want us making any noise unless we were spoken to, because she wanted us to hear her instructions / feedback and hear the music. we were still learning, not performing at that point. Even in Black churches, where the performances encourages extra emotion and clapping, etc... when the chorus is first learning their music, do they go right into "performance mode" adding the extra noise? When they are learning their harmonies, the chords, the lyrics, the time signatures- are they already in "performance mode" with the added cheering? I would think it would become very inefficient and very distracting and then the singers could not hear their parts. I'm just trying to draw a line between the "learning" portion of the art (the classroom time) vs the "performing" portion of the art (audience times). I just think the classroom (no matter what the subject is) should be a more neutral and disciplined environment, free from distractions. the classroom is not performance time unless you are already at a professional level and actually rehearsing for a performance.
I love how you expanded on the conversation and thank you for the shout out! 💫
Hey Victoria, you are so right! I hate it when people don't take seriously what they should take seriously. I would never, ever even talk in ballet class about other things non-ballet related. Call me boring, but when you're doing something that requires focusing, you have to focus on that, not on what movie you're gonna watch at the weekend. Plus, any teacher, should be respected because they are trying us to learn something we like, or need to know, and that's not an easy task.
It looks like respect isn't in fashion on tiktok or in any social media, plus, it's a word whose meaning kids aren't taught anymore, I guess.
yes, it's combination of things influencing the current trends! i find i learn (and teach!) best in an environment that has very few distractions. i like efficiency. i also like fun! i just don't think that fun automatically has to equate to being LOUD
Just started teaching at a comp school for the first time in a long career. I was reading the program for the last recital and it actually encouraged the audience to yell during performance! Time for some etiquette lessons for this bunch.
I agree with everything you are saying. Usage of those terms is definitely appropriation. I have not had this problem where I dance. If a studio encouraged this behaviour, I would leave. I am in my 30s and believe phones need to be away, and attention should be with the instructor. Ballet isn't always fun, it requires concentration and detailed understanding for your development and safety. I have also noticed the "TikTok" dancers show up in pretty outfits for a while, do their selfies, and then are gone a few weeks later. When I was young, we called those "posers".
Back in my day, we could lightly tap our legs as applause in class. Anything loud enough that could drown out the teacher giving corrections was very frowned upon. I should add we had one teacher for pas de deux who said encouraging things while we danced in class, which meant more than Becky over there yelling for me or whatever.
It's so odd how someone thinks there's no other way to have fun other than shouting, lol. For me, the shouting takes all the fun OUT of it, because all I can hear is shouting. This was even in hip hop class. Was lucky enough to escape it in ballet.
Good points! Another might be the role of silence in dance. There is music but there is also silence which adds a level of intimacy and mystery. The dancer is communicating through movement in and with silence. Its a bit of a paradox - the dancer is a silent vessel for the music - why would we want to disturb this?
Amen! I guess I am old school!
I so wish the general public would stop appropriating black queer culture. My white nieces who have attended a private conservative christian school since they were very young use this same terminology. At the last family gathering I heard one of them say to the other, "You do you, boo," and thought I was going to lose my mind right then and there.
This video got an immediate like and subscribe. I started ballet at the late age of 14 back in 1995. I danced six days a week all throughout high school and then two or three days a week through college and into my mid-twenties. I was away from it for over a decade coming back at 36. I'm now 43. I often find myself longing for the respectful and disciplined classes of my youth. The difference between 2005 and 2024 seems surreal at times.
I totally agree that we need to be pushing authentic etiquette in Ballet. I hate when the audience applauses during the performance it just throws me off honestly whether its community performance or company performance.
I've got several high school teachers in my family. They are definitely given instructions to be babysitters and entertainers first. Actual learning nowdays comes last.
yes, i struggle with this too! i know i can be a really good and effective teacher, i have so much knowledge i want to share. but i'm not good at being super-duper fun all the time. i have my moments and short bursts of entertainment, and i always try to tie it back to the ballet class. but i have little 8-year-olds telling me "this isn't fun!" and i respond with "well that's because i'm here to teach you, not be fun!"
@@SaltySugarPlum this is part of the [artistic] education? Contrast. We can be serious and studied and sombre and intense..but then there are the moments that are playful and creative and light and comedic. Without the one there could not be the other - just a mush of anarchy and chaos.
@@SaltySugarPlum this reminds me that our child class teachers used to talk about the teacher with the correction cane and other horror stories to illustrate if we think we have it bad in class, they had it worse
Please make a video about these really young teachers who want to speed through barre to get to the center and immediately start jumping. I’ve had several young teachers do this (and one older one did it as well), like literally skipping most of the class and going straight to grand allegro.
And also about those who throw on the fans and A/C at the beginning of class before anyone is even sweating, and how it is detrimental to our muscles to dance in a cold studio. I take a couple classes where my classmates either ask the teacher to turn the fans and a/c on, or they throw the fans on themselves when we are just at tendu. I have circulation problems and struggle with chronic injuries and chronic pain and inflammation, I need my muscles to be able to warm up. Especially because I am often the only one in the class using proper technique and doing combinations full out. Shivering through class takes so much of the class away from me and causes my muscles to go very tight hours later. I don’t understand why so many adult dancers think they are supposed to be comfortable and not break a sweat during a ballet class. And often times these women have on long sleeves and pants and layers, and instead of stripping the layers when they get warm, they throw the air on. Then I’m there having to put all my warmups back on the moment after I’ve started taking them off.
Hi Salty, could you please do a video in slow motion expaining how to do a gargouillade? Is it very similar to the pas de chat or completely different? I've seen videos in which dancers basically perform it as a pdc but more open and jumping higher (?).
"Yas queen"....lol! So true!
I think I’d made comments to ballet class etiquette before. how important propriety is in a discipline that has customs.
when we learn and continue to practice ballet we become part of a discipline that goes back centuries and still survives through us. we inherited this from one generation to the next. keeping the appropriate convention matters to keep that discipline alive in its authentic form.
so keeping class etiquette is valuable. that’s why class etiquette exists
I’ve never seen the “yeas kweens” cheers. though I’ve seen people leaning on the barre, talking, crowding the barre, looking bored and I myself, I’ve ran to get my water but I left my water by the door and I was feeling really dehydrated. it bothered me, even if it didn’t bother other people. I should always keep the krep I need by my barre. so ive broken that rule
remind the students that there are fundamental principles that need to be kept for the discipline itself. there’s always room to have fun when there’s a break. come to think this is something teachers have addressed all through my ballet classes. why we do it the way we do it and no other way. and that we have a career whether we go professional or not. as long as we ballet, we have a career and that career has tradition
i mean imagine you’re at a performance and your core partner next to you kills it. you’re not going to stop and clap for them. you keep that impulse under control until the show is over. same with class save the praise for break
and I’m going to make this comment too long to talk about the “all the gear no ideas” that show up at class for posting on socials. for the love of posting not for the love of the class
the tictokers with the large followings have been at the game for a longer than a decade and are professional or semiprofessional and in class as part of a company, that’s why they post the way they do
4:04 ahhh yes, the fake encouragement and always for the bare minimum. It always seems pretentious to me (in the classroom setting) because not only is the dancer taking the floor, you (as an observer) should be learning from what you’re watching.
It definitely gives rooting for a “team” which is unfortunate when everyone is supposed to be apart of the same team/program/department/company/dance, etc.
Do you prefer leather ballet slippers or canvas I read that leather ballet slippers strengthen your feet at the Barre and canvas is better for Center work .. I like leather ballet slippers from Wear Moi they are just so comfortable and supportive at the barre BUT I find my feet get a little stuck sometimes not sure what to do anyways just wa ted to say hi from Toronto . Your the best I’ve only been dancing for 7 years and I still can’t jump
5:50 i think it’s a valid observation but I think silence at « « « « high art » » » performance is also a reflect of a recent practice. 18th century French public was known to talk and applaud and yell at most classical music/opera/ballet performances lol as it was considered an entertainment time.
The 19th century made a lot of things turn serious and conservative. Changes are natural I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing 🤷♀️
I imagine all the noise will make it difficult to get feedback from the teachers for both the dancer and the people trying to hear the feedback from the teacher.
Your the best 🩰 I am a adult ballet beginner dancer I’m currently taking a beginner workshop at the National ballet of Canada in Toronto . Every Sunday morning till June I love it . I always on time for my ballet class. The class starts at 10 AM in the morning. I would like to get to the studio by at least 930 no later than that just so I have some time just to kind of do whatever I need to do before class starts what really bothers me that people arrive late the teacher still letting people arrive into the studio at quarter after 10 in the morning and it’s very distracting for me because well she’s giving us our combinations at the bar. I’m distracted by people moving around and trying to find a place in the barre and I just find it rude. It’s really really rude. Like I know sometimes things happen in life and the bus is late or the subways are having problems, It’s it’s a honour and privilege to be at this particular studio to dance at the Prima studio at The National Ballet Of Canada In Toronto and it’s a gorgeous studio where all the professional dancers train each day from the company and take their class so I feel very lucky to be there on Sunday mornings for an hour and a half anyways I just can’t stand it when people are late 🩰🎼🩰🎼🩰💗
I think it should also depend on the type of class. Perhaps that should me made clear by the teachers. I can see some ballet classes as part of an after school enrichment program where the goal is to get kids moving and involved but learning to dance professionally is not the goal.
This nuance might be lost in the young people.
Saut de galop please
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Great explications Victoria but, why this is not funny when ballet class learned and miss understand by the teacher like that ? Dancers couldn't not do it and enough as well or what ? And wrong dance edition ?
Pas de galop please
Odio los gritos y las porras en los programas de ballet en el teatro... Es una falta de respeto. El ballet tiene que ver con la música y esos gritos son basura para mis oídos
I know this is an old video but it might be good to reexamine some of the things you are saying here with regards to the behaviors you think are “correct”. In many cultures, (the one being most relevant here being black culture) responding to, giving feedback, and participating in art and performance is the correct and polite response, whereas silence is rude. (There are many examples, such as black churches.) Standing quietly is polite in white culture, so that is associated with art and learning and manners and correctness for you in your experience. Often this discomfort happens because of entering a different cultural space and it is really easy to equate the different behaviors with being “wrong” when it’s really a matter of you being within a culture you have less familiarity with and control of. I expected this video to be about ballet class etiquette, but was really surprised to see it extending to hip hop where the cultural expectations are frankly very different and controlled by the teacher, who deserves the respect to orchestrate their own class and their own instruction. Not really trying to call you out here but just sharing my honest reaction and hoping to invite you to reassess.
participating in art and performance is different than paying for an education in a learning environment. i have also taken hip hop classes where the teacher ran a tight ship and didn't want us making any noise unless we were spoken to, because she wanted us to hear her instructions / feedback and hear the music. we were still learning, not performing at that point.
Even in Black churches, where the performances encourages extra emotion and clapping, etc... when the chorus is first learning their music, do they go right into "performance mode" adding the extra noise?
When they are learning their harmonies, the chords, the lyrics, the time signatures- are they already in "performance mode" with the added cheering?
I would think it would become very inefficient and very distracting and then the singers could not hear their parts.
I'm just trying to draw a line between the "learning" portion of the art (the classroom time) vs the "performing" portion of the art (audience times). I just think the classroom (no matter what the subject is) should be a more neutral and disciplined environment, free from distractions. the classroom is not performance time unless you are already at a professional level and actually rehearsing for a performance.