My Catholic mom taught me morality without ever involving god. The example I will remember forever was the discussion about my plush toys, part of which my mom urged me to donate to refugee children. She did not say I should do it because Jesus will be pleased and might invite me to heaven. She said I should do it because of the positive impact it will have on refugee children. She invited me to empathize. This lesson survived my deconversiom with ease because it is mote basic and powerful than any religious teaching or authority.
Doesn't everyone consider themselves to be some standard? Hope this doesn't sound adversarial, just asking what others think. People often declare "I am a rational person....", "I am a skeptical person.....", but those need to be demonstrated. An irrational person likely considers themself to be rational. Thoughts?
There are some people (albiet rare) that do openly admit that are evil, greedy, ruthless, power hungry, etc. Sometimes also saying those qualities are what's needed for the circumstance.
@@PDJs_Publishing_LLCI remember something about a possible reason for psychopathy in humans. It was posited that rather than being a 'mistake' it was an evolved trait that in times of conflict or disaster we would need people to carry out decisions or actions that our natural empathy might stop us from doing
It's one thing for humans to try to make "good" from suffering when in fact rhe suffering is inevitable and out of their control. It's another thing for some all powerful God just to create suffering for the mere heck of it when He could have not created it and prevented it!
All the “greater good” theodicies boil down to “God creates suffering so that people will be better at dealing with suffering,” and it’s gross. It sounds like, “Officer, the reason I graped her ten to fifteen times a day is so that she would get used to being graped.”
I’ve seen toddlers sharing w/o being told not to, they just know what seems fair. Not all the time, but it’s the beginnings of their moral compass developing. Which comes from the instinct to cooperate as social animals. It’s in our DNA, to varying degrees.
Jesus is super cool with Armageddon- He might be willing to Forgive "Anything" .. But personally im not handing over the wheel to a dude that could barely ride a donkey
Kevin’s views on suffering are gross. If I left it up to the church my suffering should and would be eternal. You can’t heal from trauma while it’s happening.
@user-u9g8m Whats the problem? I agree with you. But you deliberately made something up and said that he wanted to kill Rudy when he never did. It's bad when theists strawman; you shouldn't have to strawman either.
@user-u9g8m And looking for things that aren't there/speech monitoring is gonna save us from this "mayhem"? Dude, come back to Earth and stop accusing online randos of murder because of internet posts that disagree with you.
@user-u9g8m Project 2025 has nothing to do with killing gross people. In fact, it has nothing to do with murder! 😂 When you fall back on name-calling, that's an indicator of your weak position. You think because someone is repulsive looking, that they're in danger!!! What a silly worldview based on conspiracy.
Repent of your sins, believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 24:47 KJV And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I can only imagine the horrors in your mind, and the wicked things you’ve done, that you feel the need to copy/paste this shit from your evil book. You must be a monster!
Now demonstrate that jesus even existed using contemporary historical records or evidence from the reign of Augustus or Tiberius Caesar. All your saying is a book says a thing without any supporting evidence for your claim. So do one until you can or have anything relevance to.say
I'm getting a very specific vibe from Kevin, like I'm at work. I'm a manager at a group home for disabled adults. Kevin sounds like one of my residents decided to make a phone call: probably a decent enough guy, but literally just CANNOT understand what's going on. Simply doesn't have the brain function available.
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Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.
Perfectly said 💪💪💪
My Catholic mom taught me morality without ever involving god. The example I will remember forever was the discussion about my plush toys, part of which my mom urged me to donate to refugee children. She did not say I should do it because Jesus will be pleased and might invite me to heaven. She said I should do it because of the positive impact it will have on refugee children. She invited me to empathize.
This lesson survived my deconversiom with ease because it is mote basic and powerful than any religious teaching or authority.
If you’re a moral person all on your own, that’s always better than being forced to be.
True, and being forced to be moral isn't moral
@@charlessarver1637 And you can be forced to act morally, but you cant be forced to be moral ( aka , change who you are).
@@Goldenhawk583yes I agree but if it's forced it's not moral it's fear. The person is just basically being a save ass
“If the story of Adam and Eve is true” is a crazy argument.
We don't have any words written by Jesus to compare him to everyone who ever lived.
Untrue, Buddha predated him
I consider myself to be a moral person. No Jesus required or desired.
Doesn't everyone consider themselves to be some standard?
Hope this doesn't sound adversarial, just asking what others think.
People often declare "I am a rational person....", "I am a skeptical person.....", but those need to be demonstrated.
An irrational person likely considers themself to be rational. Thoughts?
There are some people (albiet rare) that do openly admit that are evil, greedy, ruthless, power hungry, etc. Sometimes also saying those qualities are what's needed for the circumstance.
Makes sense. Morality comes from people not god.
@@normkeller2405no one wants to admit they're a sucker
@@PDJs_Publishing_LLCI remember something about a possible reason for psychopathy in humans. It was posited that rather than being a 'mistake' it was an evolved trait that in times of conflict or disaster we would need people to carry out decisions or actions that our natural empathy might stop us from doing
The biblical jesus supported the 600 plus laws of moses, including slavery,misogyny,.
Yeah, he wasn't a good guy if he was even a real person at all and let's remember he was killed by his own
i try not to get mad at apologists on these calls but it’s really hard 😂😂
It's one thing for humans to try to make "good" from suffering when in fact rhe suffering is inevitable and out of their control.
It's another thing for some all powerful God just to create suffering for the mere heck of it when He could have not created it and prevented it!
All the “greater good” theodicies boil down to “God creates suffering so that people will be better at dealing with suffering,” and it’s gross. It sounds like, “Officer, the reason I graped her ten to fifteen times a day is so that she would get used to being graped.”
I’ve seen toddlers sharing w/o being told not to, they just know what seems fair. Not all the time, but it’s the beginnings of their moral compass developing. Which comes from the instinct to cooperate as social animals. It’s in our DNA, to varying degrees.
There are too few clips with Rudy. Thanks for posting!
It should honestly stay that way. I love TalkHeathen but Rudy has a horrible speaking voice and alittle condescending.
@@jiggyguy7782 wow that’s a needlessly mean thing to say about a person
@@jonleemusicperson It's constructive criticism. Pretty much every host is better at articulation than Rudy.
Yay another host :3 hi Rudy
Kevin from NY gives me agita every time he calls
Yeah but, no but!!😂
Nobody gonna talk about booba jesus on the thumbnail?
Jesus is super cool with Armageddon- He might be willing to Forgive "Anything" ..
But personally im not handing over the wheel to a dude that could barely ride a donkey
If you need the threat of Hell to not steal or kill, then you're not a good person, you're a monster on a leash.
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LOLZ
ban tylenol, it alleviates suffering
if suffering is good then is confession and absolution not wrong?
praying for forgiveness would be...sinful
Kevin’s views on suffering are gross. If I left it up to the church my suffering should and would be eternal.
You can’t heal from trauma while it’s happening.
The thing on the left is frightening..
Toughen up buttercup
@user-u9g8m He doesn't want to kill Rudy (wtf??), he just said that Rudy frightened him. Please stop projecting.
@user-u9g8m Whats the problem? I agree with you. But you deliberately made something up and said that he wanted to kill Rudy when he never did. It's bad when theists strawman; you shouldn't have to strawman either.
@user-u9g8m And looking for things that aren't there/speech monitoring is gonna save us from this "mayhem"? Dude, come back to Earth and stop accusing online randos of murder because of internet posts that disagree with you.
@user-u9g8m Project 2025 has nothing to do with killing gross people. In fact, it has nothing to do with murder! 😂 When you fall back on name-calling, that's an indicator of your weak position. You think because someone is repulsive looking, that they're in danger!!! What a silly worldview based on conspiracy.
rudy bee is a weird dude
Ok
I’ll take the bait
What’s weird about Rudy Bee?
Wierd describes conservative christians. Rudy is unique
In what way
Who asked?
@@user-cr4pz5yg7y Yes, being a congested, gender-confused monk monk is in fact unique. Not in a good way.
Repent of your sins, believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 24:47 KJV And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Now prove any of that is true.
I can only imagine the horrors in your mind, and the wicked things you’ve done, that you feel the need to copy/paste this shit from your evil book.
You must be a monster!
@@screachingmobster1774agree
Now demonstrate that jesus even existed using contemporary historical records or evidence from the reign of Augustus or Tiberius Caesar.
All your saying is a book says a thing without any supporting evidence for your claim. So do one until you can or have anything relevance to.say
Spamming for Jesus...how ironical.
I'm getting a very specific vibe from Kevin, like I'm at work. I'm a manager at a group home for disabled adults. Kevin sounds like one of my residents decided to make a phone call: probably a decent enough guy, but literally just CANNOT understand what's going on. Simply doesn't have the brain function available.
Strawmanning by vibe checking intelligence. Nice. Another victory for the atheists.
I like Charles Manson philosophy he was real and more convincing than Christ