Tested: Carvey Desktop CNC Machine Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- We test the Carvey, a desktop CNC machine from Inventables. Unlike the X-Carve, this three-axis mill is enclosed for office use and designed for simplicity and safety. Using the web-based Easel software, we're able to create a design and cut it on a sheet of plastic in just a few minutes. The simplicity limits its versatility, so it may be better suited for classrooms than large working shops.
Shot by Joey Fameli
Edited by Norman Chan
Music by Jinglepunks
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Designed to be simple & safe?
If I'm paying $2000... I want it to be complicated & dangerous.
+Jerry Joe you can do your own CNC conversion on a g0704 for $2000. This thing is for those that want a out of the box CNC for cheap. It's the console equivalent to a machine that you can do work with.
You can buy a 60x40x10cm 1.8kW 3-phase brushless spindle 4-axis CNC router with ballscrews for $1600.
This is a toy.
hey what cnc's are you referring too?
vindigga6 Just look for "6040 2.2kW CNC" on aliexpress/alibaba/ebay.
They look identical, just pay attention to the spindle power and type.
Oh ok thanks
When you speed up footage, could you let the viewer know by how much? Otherwise I think it leaves a false impression of how fast the machine actually works.
+Josh Mann yep, good point. the time-lapse was sped up by 8X in this video.
+Josh Mann Go to 0.25 speed, and the machine is going double speed. That should be easier to visualize
***** No... time lapse is when you take a picture after so long, then string them together, showing something at an accelerated rate.
+Richard Smith There is no difference between Videos and Foto timelapses. Faster than realtime -> timelapse. Slower than realtime -> Slow-Mo.
Norm is really good at explaining now... goes in depth.
I think most people in the hobby/industry would describe this as a CNC router rather than a milling machine, the distinction is not exactly precise though. It's a neat machine but that spindle isn't great, it's a cheap motor attached to an ER11 collet holder and 12k rpm is limiting for small cutters. A small, properly made high speed spindle would be a great addition especially for small bits but I suspect most of the budget already goes into the enclosure.
+littlestworkshop Most people in the hobby/industry would call it a horrible toy ;)
+Stefan Gotteswinter It makes even less sense when you could just remove the hot end of a printer and strap on a dremel tool. Damn lazy nerds.
+Big_Adam_2050 3D printers really aren't stiff enough for machining use.
+Stefan Gotteswinter I think it is fine for a lot of applications the spindle just lets it down.
*****
For the piddly little work going on, I think they could do it. Maybe not on a rubber belted unit, need one that runs the axis on screws. Anyway, that cutter head looks similar to the old Xcarve unit, they ditched it due to too much play in it.
The music made me realize how much I miss the mystery 3d prints.
Oh mannnn those were the days!! when we had 3D printers 😀
CNC the mystery object!
Has anyone else noticed how Norm has absorbed a lot of Adam's on-camera mannerisms over the years? He does it more awkwardly though, like the wiggly head thing.
I just bought an X-Carve yesterday! It should arrive next week, so excited!
How much does x- curvey cost ?
where can i find the vacume device to clean? or the device's name
You guys talked about carving aluminum... But didn't show it?
+Luke Luoh I doubt this can do much with aluminum. The machine is nowhere rigid enough if you want to cut only aluminum
+Luke Luoh
Well it's the same process, just insanely slow. The spindles they ship with these things are just not good enough.
+MsSomeonenew emphasis on the insanely. To do what they did in the plastics, I'd wager it would take at least 4 hours with that level of rigidity. Plus the chatters.... I feel sorry for anyone that purchases this for $2000
Good news, nobody is buying these for $2000 anymore. Because they jacked the price up to $2500.
**rolls eyes**
Awfully expensive for a cheaply made toy.
For those who are asking about how much this video was sped up, the machine should be roughly 1/4 the speed shown at the end. It can go at a roughly higher speed, since that material is like butter to an endmill. You just have to worry about chip evacuation since plastics like to gum up your tool/workpiece.
You didn't mention the price, which is $2,000. It seems like this machine is very limited in applications for something so expensive, not really sure how it's worth the price.
+seanylewl The cheapest 3D printer is way cheaper than that, around $300. You could even buy a better 3D printer for the price of the Carvey. I guess there are limitations though like 3D printers can't 3D print wood objects or foam objects etc.
+seanylewl The price was shown at the bottom of the video at 0:52.
+crabbyninja 3D printers are not as mechanically substantial as spindle machines are. The loads the two types of machines deal with are dissimilar. That having been said this one is pretty much a toy.
and its so quiet -- odd we didnt get to hear that why?
LOL no way Norm knows how to use a CNC machine. Someone was in the background doing all the work and he was just presenting. Which he is getting pretty good at lately!
What makes you believe he doesn’t know how to use one?
the starter tool kit looked like HSS. for softer materials like wood or plastics it is best to use harder tools like tungsten carbide or even ceramic tipped tools.
Just wondered why if as you say it is a quiet machine whilst it is working, then why cover it with music?
Aww, I miss the little "Build complete" at the end that the Replicators had :(
For that price tag you are way better off with a Stepcraft 2. It isn't enclosed so you have to do the dust collection yourself (or buy a dust collection adapter), but you get a much better spindle and a bigger working area.
why don't they add a small vacuum near the cutter head?
cool. Hey guys did Will leave the show ? I have not watched in a while and noticed he is not in any of the episodes anymore lol
2 big questions:
1. Can it do aluminum? Being able to do aluminum means it can be used to make very nice enclosures for electronics, as well as very durable signage (great for high schools, there's always a few students who will try to destroy everything).
2. Does it accept hand-written G-code input? If so, I can make it do things the included software might not be able to do. I swear, sometimes it's just easier to write the dang G-code out manually with a blueprint as reference instead of having to learn a new 3d modeling program. The "old ways" may be slower, but that doesn't mean they don't work, and I find writing out a G-code program to be more satisfying than pressing "import model".
1) Absolutely not.
2) Most likely yes.
This is a ripoff though - don't even bother buying anything from inventables.
Look at a 3040 or a 6040 CNC router with the spindle upgrades.
They're LESS expensive than this(~$1600 for a 60x40x10cm work area with a 1.5 or 2.2kW spindle and fourth axis), and they're actual, proper machines.
*****
"Absolutely" not? I thought it was all about the bit selection, with more powerful machines just making the work go faster.
AFAIK, this applies even if the thing's using a glorified router motor to run the cutter and printer-grade stepper motors to control the axis movements.
Sure, a higher powered machine would be a better choice, but if this machine is all you've got, 15-25k RPM and 0.5IPM with a 1/4" 2-flute end mill should work in just about any material that's softer than the bit, so long as you've got enough time to let the thing work.
44R0Ndin They're not rigid enough to have a load that high.
It's not about the power, it's about rigidity. Power only affords speeds.
Now that's some music I've not heard in a long time.
This looks like a quite nice machine but I'd go for the Pocket NC over this. (I see it's on your website page with lots of other milling machines.) The price is now $4000 with a 12 week backorder queue. It looks amazing but will take some know-how from the user. Not a noob machine nor foolproof.
I am a cnc "mashinist" so i find this very interesting. However I would invest in a full sized heidenhain or fanuc.
perhaps do some "mercenary" work with it
What kind of notebook is that to the right in the beginning?
I'd love to see a cut from the perspective of the bed. Maybe a gopro mounted on the edge?
Best use for this would probably be circuit board etching. For anything else it's pretty much a toy version of the actual thing.
With their Internet-based software they know exactly what you're milling, even your next million dollar Kickstarter idea.
Then the other problem is that this machine will work only until they decide to pull the plug on their software.
Pass.
Needs a 4th axis.
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+Umuahjoku Amadi-Obi (AceofSpades) If you have to ask, YOU probably don't need one.
+SilentS Bit rude, why don't YOU just explain it.
+Meteor Shower Here, let me just... goo.gl/XlbRK3
SilentS Still a bit rude. I use CAD CAM myself, I was more on about explaining it to the other chap
Oh, how I missed the print the mystery object music!
If I had one I would name it Dana
+Blake Maloof If I had one I'd name it Harvey.
There is no Dana. Only Zuul!!!
I would name mine, Shit... For Shit... My Math was Off...
It may be just me, but CNC mill says 8 m^2 loud and be able to use up o 20mm mill bits.
start using metric as well, not all world use ancient systems
I'm jealous of your Surface Book
great! thanks for the product review.
2grand though idk =/ when are cheap ones gonna come out
I'm sure someone's already said it but they're not bits there end Mills
Does it adjust spindle speed due to load or just randoom voltage regulator get what you get ?
How you cut aluminum whit it if no flood cooling ?
How long mill bit lasts whit cutting plastics and aluminum ?
you need to start doing another 3d print something or carve something that would be awesome
Where has Jamie disappeared to?
+jay west hadn't you heard ? they're not working together anymore...
Tenth???
I dont get it. Why would you get a CNC just to cut plastics? Better to just do additive on a cheap Ender 3 or what have you.
God... I just watched a Carvey infomercial... Actually CNC is a throwback but you could never get it at a small scale... it's 3D printing that was the forefront... it's true what's old is new again... does one have to play cyclic electronic music as it works...
Will it work on 6061 or 7075 aluminum?
I'm subscribed for this chanell for a couple month, but still haven't ever seen Jemmy. Will he make an appearance any soon or not? If not, why is he even in a Tested Logo?
+FizzleDope I've been subscribed for a couple years, and have never seen him. I wouldn't hold your breathe
can you test the Tarocco closed loop servo driver?
Cut a 3" quadcopter Norm!
Humboldt710 ffaanatfbe
No link to the product?
Man I wish my VMC made music like that when cutting dang!
WTF... I just noticed the gundam in the back of the set...GUNDAMS FTW!
ive missed that music. i enjoyed playing 'guess the carvey-ed object' it was easier the the 3d printed version though.
Metric, please!
can i progam one of these using G&M code or do i have to use their shitty post?
Can it mill AR 15 lowers
they keep the edge longer and are more rigid
Why is it so much more expensive than the X-Carve?
Isn't the X-Carve a more capable CNC than this?
Apparently boxes and Perspex are expensive... Also worse motors are more expensive.
It's garbage.
Buy a chinese 6040 for $1600
I'm patiently waiting for these to come out, able to work with brass and with tolerances of +- .01 mm. I might be exaggerating when I say I'm patient.
lol
You'd be better off with an XCarve or that OpenBuilds thing than this flimsy POS for anything metal. You'd have to be hella patient to wait for the amount of time it would take for this to carve brass accurately.
It's not going to happen.
They make toys.
Buy a 6040 CNC router with the 2.2kW spindle upgrade and you'll be doing brass in no time. Though you're still never getting to 0.01mm tolerances unless you're ready to dish out ~$100k for a DMG machine. The best you'll get is 0.05-0.08mm tolerances.
.01mm is probably unnecessary when I think about it. A tenth would be acceptable for most watchmaking projects. Thanks for the input guys.
***** Well then, buy the 3040 or 6040 with a powerful spindle and you'll be happy.
does it work offline?
CNC THE MYSTERY OBJECT
looks pretty nice for the cost
Can this be ran using a FANUC emulator, or is it strictly limited to using only its own software?
If you've got anything to do with FANUC, please don't shoot yourself in the foot with this piece of garbage :)
nice I gotta have this for milling my own pcb's
can you mill out an ar15 80% lower??
You can’t make a water block with this can you?
don't call it a bit. it's a tool. more specifically an endmill or a drill or whatever.
if this thing is powerful enough to engrave the hardened steel of pistol slides, im definitely picking one up
+Chad Grimgravy I think it can only do softer metals like aluminium.
+Chad Grimgravy some questions have complicated answers. Practically I would say this machine would not be capable of doing what you want. But that does not mean it is impossible. Just so improbable that it might as well be impossible. Unless you were willing to accept some drastic limitations, and work within other difficulties as well.
Clever name, "Carvey".
I've been trying to learn about cnc machines and youtube is constantly failing me....
I can see someone buying this couple thousand dollar machine and making art pieces and perhaps building a big piece like a puzzle and selling it for almost what the machine cost.
Cut a lower receiver please
haha you put that music
Good video, but please start using metric system. Imperial is just plain stupid.
I missed that music :D
Nice sign-maker.
Norm breathes soooooo much. Such sharp breaths every second are way too distracting ugghh.
not interested until it does larger parts in full 3d (i.e. gears and other machine parts)
This is way to expensive for what it is. Not to mention, requiring a proprietary bit for cutting is just ridiculous.
Can i use it for PCB boards?
+Aksel Hanssen You'll need to a dust extraction system. Just having it in a box isn't good enough for fibreglass dust. Though why you would want 12x8 double sided milled pcbs? Most things needing that much area need more layers, and smaller CNC routing machines are much cheaper.
+Pete Kirkham Hi Pete, thanks for responding. I work at a university, and my master students and some projects I make small PCB boards for test / measuring equipment. This I will simply etch. But lately there has been a need for DC bus, and High Current boards, simple in design, but they need a thicker copper layer because of the current. Its difficult to get a good etch on the thicker copper boards. That why Im looking into cheaper pcb milling systems, that also can do some other stuff. This machine can be a great tool for some of the student projects.
Carvey McCarveface
£1300?! Shame these things are so expensive :(
I've missed that music!!! ; - ) #NameTheMysteryObject
try ArtCAM
some day i'll get a cnc... but theyre so expensive :( ^^
Anyone else read the title as carvery? I clicked the video thinking that a machine connected to a pc was cutting up meat. No idea why...
CNC Router*
not a mill
I find him repeating a lot, so I think the actual length of video is twice as short.
I started to fall asleep half way watching him repeating things he already said...
This doesn't make you a machinist
for $2000 more I'd get the Pocket NC!
Or for $1200 more you could get a proper 5-axis CNC machine from china with a 2.2kW spindle.
Time to update that intro graphics....zzz
Shut up and take my money!
+Hodgepodge I do believe you have discovered Inventables plan.
Love the machine! Not the price :(
But can you make a gun with it? :V
+Hagge Bänke (Robobunny) Not a whole firearm no. You could not forge a barrel with this. But the barrel is not what the law considers a gun. You could simply buy a few guns for what this machine costs. Just skipping the whole make it process.
1999$+shipping.....
So Tested... X-Carve or Carvey?
Neither. These are toys.
Buy a 6040 for $1600 or a 3040 for $600-900
Just look them up on eBay or aliexpress.
Too small of a build platform.
walperstyle Uh, what?
This machine has a MUCH smaller work area.
How about compared to the X-Carve?
Look, I'm looking to be spoon fed information on a good CNC machine as I am actually looking to buy one. I would like to do 4x8 plywood, and do half foot deep if I could.
Carvey Dent
Omg i thought this was a HPC video Xd
I think we all just wanna know can we make a gun with it?
Tool, not "bits".
I would love this but I bet it's not cheap I would rather have a 3d printer
it's not worth the money. it's really slow and you can but a tormach 440 for less and that's a real cnc mill not a router. and you can put a tool changer on the 440