you guys are kings man. i came on a little late in june 2022 but i found 4 guys that i love to listen to and gain others perspective on the sports world!
Luka clears Harden in passing. Most of the passes he makes are jaw-dropping. His lob and full-court passes are insane. But Harden still an all-time distributor still.
Y’all ignoring the team Luka’s had to carry every single season. Nobody in there right mind would take a Mavs team over any Hardens Houston team. Every series he’s played in the playoffs his team was clearly the under manned team.
Started listening to you guys after the ttw crossover episode! Love yall you guys make deliveries easy for me. Love to listen to the long eps while driving
Great show guys and Happy New Years. I think a lot of people were praising Harden when he was just going absolutely insane those 2-3 years. But it's his status in the playoffs that kind of dim the light on his regular season success. Luka is only 23 too, and he's literally almost averaging a 30-pt triple double in the playoffs efficiently. Luka's defense has also gotten much better, especially with steals. Luka has probably the best mid-range game in the league with footwork second to none. Some of the shots he makes are just ridiculous. Harden is a top-30 player all-time in my book. But I think Luka's ceiling is much higher. Like top-5 higher if he can get a legit second star like a Jaylen Brown.
All you gotta know is is that James Harden since his first year in Houston has had 9 playoff Elimination games where he has shot sub 35fg%, 5 of those being sub 30fg%. People saying he is an alltime playoff choker isn’t an overreaction
Joel was preaching about the Nets. There is always a team every year that just has something special about them, last yr it was Boston and this year it’s without a doubt the Brooklyn Nets
Luka getting praise and admiration for something Harden did legit multiple seasons but got labeled "selfish" and a "ballhog" for but at least Harden made the players around him better and he played in a much tougher Western Conference
@sld3577 bro how? Luka is playing in the easiest westerm conference of all time. Harden played against some of the best Western conference teams, the Clippers, Warriors, the Bubble Lakers, the Spurs. Who in the West is even a threat now? The only good player has was cp3 who was injury prone and choked in 2019
Lukas only 23, Harden didn't hit that stretch until later in his career, and plus they're playstyle is different. Harden relied on bullshit calls from the refs(after the rule change, it exposed his game and he had to become more of a passer than a scorer bc he couldn't get those numbers consistently without manipulating the refs) jacking up 3s to get his points. Lukas post game is way more polished, he doesn't have to shoot 3s and definitely doesn't get the love from refs when he's getting beat up in the lane like Harden did.
@user-rm4yz2qn9v for one Luka legit foul baits all the time and if he doesn't get the call, he spends two possessions complaining to the refs about it, 2nd Harden actually made the players around him better and on/off numbers prove it, 3rd Harden played in a much tougher Western Conference and its not even close, 4th Harden only started declining after his injury which isn't even his fault. 5th Harden won the assist title way before the rule changes took placd bc he was always a gifted passer. And Harden was always carrying the Rockets, as soon as he got traded the Rockets consecutively Made the playoffs despite how tough the conference was, that's why he top 3 in MVP voting 5 times. Your points hold 0 weight
@@sydguitar99 Difference is Luka post game and mid range. They are pretty much similar on other aspect. In the playoffs, team would find it easier to stop Harden than Luka because of Harden playstyle which was driving to the basket or stepback 3's. Harden also had plenty of help since his OKC days but fell short time and time again.
@@Jay-ml9vo the fact that your argument for luka being better is him being worse at shooting 😭 look at their win shares, look at their on/off numbers. Harden had a better peak.
I totally agree with Joel with the whole Nets Celtics debate. Since Joel originally had the nets being a good team, it was mostly because KD and Kyrie. Kyrie wasn’t a part of that team when they were struggling bad and that’s when Joel basically was done with them. That basically means that we can’t watch them at the moment until they play better. So I understand how Joel feels about his nets prediction being a little different than Dehls who’s been shitting on them since last year. Also…Mike Brown should absolutely be a COY candidate. He’s turning the worst franchise around and they’re a top 5 seed. He implemented a warriors esque offense. This dude got Fox and Sabonis playing great defense lmaooo. Huerter looks like prime Klay Thompson. That deserves way more praise than a guy taking over a finals team. Dehls can literally take the Celtics to the conference finals with this roster. They’re elite. Will hardy has been fantastic as well.
Joel my guy, but dawg Giannis definitely deserved the mvp in 2018/2019 lmfao 27.7/12.5/5.9/1.3/1.5 on overall better efficiency and similar advanced stats, far better defense, a better record by 7 games (not 1 or 2), and a worse team. Cp3 played THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAMES that season as he did the season prior and Capela played 67 games. also I’m pretty sure “the players voting Harden mvp” was for the 2015 mvp that Steph won, not 2019 lol. Like Riv said, hard to root for a guy when his Stans start these stupid agendas
Looking forward to another year of the show. You guys are awesome. Btw Joel said that Cwood would have a better season than Sabonis so how can he call out Riv for his sabonis disrespect? 😂
Lukas only 23, Harden didn't hit that stretch until later in his career, and plus they're playstyle is different. Harden relied on bullshit calls from the refs(after the rule change, it exposed his game and he had to become more of a passer than a scorer bc he couldn't get those numbers consistently without manipulating the refs) jacking up 3s to get his points. Lukas post game is way more polished, he doesn't have to shoot 3s and definitely doesn't get the love from refs when he's getting beat up in the lane like Harden did.
Stop it bro harden and Luka have the wya system but when harden did it people weren’t considering him the best in the league like they are Luka tbh I think luka is not a better player than Tatum
i've never understood people who complain about free throws. he wouldn't be getting fouled that much if he could be stopped. and what is this shit ass take? luka and harden have basically the same playstyle. why are you acting like luka doesn't get calls. peak harden years if you removed both of their free throws harden is still leading him in points. and luka is a 74% free throw shooter. him and harden both get 10+ FT attempts a game it's not harden's fault luka is ass at shooting free throws.
@@fangru7294 I feel that’s a weak argument because luka can raise a teams floor better but that doesn’t change the fact I think Tatum is a better fit for the Celtics because of his two way capability and how Lukas play style would not work for the Celtics
@@bloocco2393 Luka playstyle is depending on what players he has around him. Now he has almost nothing and need to be ball hog. The only thing Tatum is better at is defending and FT and thats it. Even his 3pt% is worse than Luka and do not even talk about post game... Luka has to go against better defenses because teams always target him and he still has better FG%. Also they have almost same FGA per game and Luka is still way better passer. Like I said only thing for Tatum is defense and thats it.
There's no way Joel is saying harden is a better scorer than the man who's 1st all-time in playoff points, and finna be 1st all-time in regular season points. He's already 1st all-time in total points (combing regular season and playoffs).
Josh Allen does have multiple playoff wins in a row. The AFC championship year, he beat Phillip rivers in the wildcard, then beat the ravens, and then lost to Mahomes in the AFC championships
Talking about Luka vs Harder, I think Luka is better than Harden because he has the post-up + mid-range shots which Harden doesn't do that nearly as consistent as Luka. Harden's step-back 3 I think is better than Luka, but because Luka has that elite post-up game, he will be able to score more consistently against elite defense. Especially in the playoffs when everyone is game-planning you, Luka have a little more ways solves opponents' defense than Harden for me.
To me, The Mavs underestimated the Warriors! When the Mavs beat the Suns in the 2nd round, they probably thought they were going to take out the Warriors comfortably. I don't think they would make that same mistake twice!
Luka fans, you can't have it both ways, you can't say Luka's team is ass he has no other players and then also look at his numbers glowingly. he gets those numbers because his teammates can't create offense. most Luka fans would agree Harden had a better supporting cast, and the fact that Harden had equal to better numbers with a "better team" just shows his peak is better than Luka is playing now. you can't have your cake and eat it too. if Harden was putting up better numbers with a better team, we can only assume he would be blowing Luka out of the water statistically with a worse team. and if Luka had a supporting cast as good as Harden's, he wouldn't be averaging what he's averaging right now. prime Harden clears imo. plus Harden's box plus minus, his on/off numbers are still way better than Luka's, so that puts it all into perspective. if Harden's supporting cast is better than Luka's then because his team is way worse with him off the floor compared to Luka, we can only say Harden elevates his team to greater heights than Luka does. or we can say Luka has a better supporting cast, which would support his case more, but Luka fans love to have their cake and eat it too. if two guys are putting up 30, 10, 10, but one of them has a 'way better' supporting cast, then who had the more productive game? the guy with the better team clearly, assuming he had a better team means we assume he had less opportunity to put up those same numbers to a guy with no help. so we can't compare their numbers straight up. if Luka 'had help' he's averaging like 28 and 9 on slightly worse effeciency, which is nowhere near prime Harden's production. and if Harden had a worse team, we can only assume he's putting up greater numbers than 36 points and 8 assists, which is insane to think about. Luka will have the better career but he's not better right now. prime Harden was a monster.
Harden had a higher usage percentage with a better roster than Luka with his current ass roster. Harden literally had the ball more in his hands. Haha averaging 2 more field goal attempts as well. Luka is doing this at 23 and Harden fans are coming to attack him for no reason.
@Aaron Deatherage Yeah because all y'all Lukasexuals do is make excuses to put Harden down and elevate Luka to a level that he's simply not on and y'all only care about stats instead of watching the games and actually putting context on how Luka and other players get their stats while watching a game y'all have become just like Bronsexuals you use stats out of context to make up weak arguments and boost up a player higher than another that's why Harden fans attack y'all because y'all are the ones who are biased and are attacking them with garbage ass takes and fake narratives to make them attack y'all and make them talk about Luka daily the way Jordan fans talk about LeBron daily if y'all Luka fans just STFU and never attacked Harden and his fans then his fanbase wouldn't attack y'all every day.
@@liamm6208 you don’t even deserve a response. Lol no one is putting down Harden. Luka is the first player to put up a 60/20/10 game and Harden fans flock to attack the guy instead of celebrating it. But while you’re comparing, let me know what Harden was doing at 23. Haha 10 years from now this take will look ridiculous.
@@aarondeatherage7678 prime Harden had a higher expected win totals than Luka, higher efficiency differential, well higher BPM, higher offensive box plus minus, WS/48, higher AST%, etc. I don't understand why Luka gets bonus points for being 23. why does it matter? the question isn't who will have a better career, which is almost certainly going to be Luka, but is current Luka better than prime Harden? whether or not he's 23 is not relevant. plus '18 Harden's best 34 game streak he was putting up 41.1 PPG and 8.3 AST on 54% FG and TS% above 60%. if you wanna compare 34 games of Luka to 82 games or multiple years of Harden you're being biased, if you want to take these 34 games of Luka over peak Harden's 34 game streak because one of them is 23 and the other wasn't, you're being biased. I'm not a huge Harden or Luka fan but let's be honest prime Harden was better. if Luka didn't shoot free throws at a Jarrett Allen clip this might be a different convo.
Trey Hendrickson isn't out for the season he just played last week. A doctor determined there wasn't any further risk of injury by playing through his specific injury. If was just a matter of pain tolerance which is obviously going to be painful to play with a broken wrist. The Bengals have been extremely cautious with injuries given guys an extra week and sometimes 2 when they technically could've played. Although Hubbard practiced throughout this week it'll be interesting to see if and how many reps he gets if he plays. That's a critical player in this game considering how Lou Anaroumo likes to use him as a spy in his defense and his effectiveness doing so against a guy like Mahomes. Y'all do a great job, keep it up! Who Dey!!!!!!!
It’s hella hypocritical for Joel to be using the clippers to prop up luka and make his performances seem more impressive, when he’s been a big advocate for them being overrated and fraudulent in that time
The difference is luka plays like this cause he has to and let me tell you with luka there is still a lot more ball movement than kt was woth harden. His teammates literally stood still, with luka there is at least some movement plus luka gets his in the paint, does 3 to 5 dribbles amd goes while harden definitely took longer to get that 3pt shot off
Taking nothing away from the nets, their last 20 or so games have been fairly easy matchups against below average or bad teams. They lost to the Celtics (best team they’ve faced in this stretch) but they do have some notable wins (Cavs and Bucks no Middleton). Fairly easy schedule
Generational should be a player that defines an era. Where as certain people can have generational talent but they need to fufill that talent and get accolades to show they reached their peaks. Like Luka for example is a generational talent but he hasnt completed enough in his career YET to be Era defining. Imagine if Luka ended his career today, is he an all time great? Did he define this era? What accolades did he achieve? I think those are the questions we need to ask ourselves about these players. There are a lot of all time greats but not every all time great defines an era. The nba is stacked with talent right now.
Funny watching this Kings segment. Drew got zero heat and should’ve been the main guy getting trashed. Not riv. Riv didn’t believe in Sac, that’s fine. I’m a sac fan and didn’t see this year coming. But the disrespect Drew was talking especially about this Sabonis trade is hilarious. Called it potentially the worst trade of all time. Even mentioned the KG, Pierce trade as comparable. Someone let Drew see this and hold him to the fire. Go watch that video 2-3 months after the Hali/Sabonis trade. We’ll accept Riv on this Kings bandwagon before we ever accept Drew. GO WORRY ABOUT THEM BUMASS LAKERS
In the regular season, since we don't care about Luka's age and we simply judge by what he accomplished as of now versus Harden's peak, Harden is still better than Luka. In the playoffs, it's not even close. Luka hands down is better in the playoffs. Scoring, Rebounding, Passing, Efficiency... what else do you want really? At this point, you are just arguing longevity and cumulative stats if you pick Harden over Luka in the playoffs. While Harden did eventually lost to much better teams, his team was much better than Luka's. Harden's team had a .639 win rate vs opponent's average is .683 win rate. Luka's team has .598 win rate vs opponent's average .672 win rate. I used 2013-2020 Harden vs Luka 2020-2022. I did not count 2022-2023 since the season is still yet to finish.
Harden only lost to much better teams, he never actually lost to weaker teams. However, the times he moved deeper into the playoffs, the Rockets were expected to be there. So, you can't really use how many times they got in the 2nd round, Conference Semifinals, and Conference Finals in the argument either.
Y’all smoking letting this man rank Harden as a top 3 pg. IT lead a team to 2 rings, Jkidd lead his team to 2 finals and a ring as a supporting cast. Stockton 2 finals and Best pure pg numbers. The list goes on. Yall be letting waaaay to much slide. This is reckless
Luka beat the fraud Sun's who got exposed multiple time but Harden gets shit for not being able to beat 2 dynasties(Spurs and Warriors) and prime LeBron and AD by himself
How can u not blame Derek carr man threw 3 int in a winnable game in Pittsburgh the defense did they part that game there has been multiple games where carr let’s the team down how u score zero pts vs the saints like that’s on carr he clearly don’t watch the games if he’s just like 22 tds and 12int and u think he having a good season
I’m happy i found this podcast in 2022 it’s my favorite new channel I’ve found ❤
Same
The dynamic of the cast is great imo
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Took me three years to find a good sports podcast finally hit
dont see how it took 3yrs to find a good sport podcast.....
All time sus moment in that back and forth between Joel and Dells 😂 Riv killed me
you guys are kings man. i came on a little late in june 2022 but i found 4 guys that i love to listen to and gain others perspective on the sports world!
Happy New Years fellas. Thank you for an amazing year worth of content
Luka clears Harden in passing. Most of the passes he makes are jaw-dropping. His lob and full-court passes are insane. But Harden still an all-time distributor still.
People use the clear word to loosely
Thank you for a great year ❤️
Hendrickson is not out for the season lol just played last game
Drew the only dude to argue for Case Keenum on anything lol, love the pod
Y’all’s show is great man. Watching since episode 182 and never looked back best sports pod on YT
Embid is a healthy version of DeMarcus cousins
Y’all ignoring the team Luka’s had to carry every single season. Nobody in there right mind would take a Mavs team over any Hardens Houston team. Every series he’s played in the playoffs his team was clearly the under manned team.
Started listening to you guys after the ttw crossover episode! Love yall you guys make deliveries easy for me. Love to listen to the long eps while driving
“Harden > Wade” is just maniacal 😅 so glad I found you guys this year tho 🙌🏽
One is a MVP and one wasn't
@@_ripVanWinkle_ 1 has a Finals Mvp 🤣🤣🤣
@@mykoswank igudola had a finals MVP but Iverson doesn't, whats your point? As a *individual* harden is better lmao
@@_ripVanWinkle_ Harden will never have a run like 06 💀💀 you’re showing your age dude
@@mykoswank harden was 1 game away from defeating a team with 4 all stars 😂😂 Harden > Wade , ill leave it at that
Thank you for mentioning the Nuggets and the Bruce Brown and KCP pickups. Those are some of the most slept on moves this past off season.
Great show guys and Happy New Years. I think a lot of people were praising Harden when he was just going absolutely insane those 2-3 years. But it's his status in the playoffs that kind of dim the light on his regular season success. Luka is only 23 too, and he's literally almost averaging a 30-pt triple double in the playoffs efficiently. Luka's defense has also gotten much better, especially with steals. Luka has probably the best mid-range game in the league with footwork second to none. Some of the shots he makes are just ridiculous. Harden is a top-30 player all-time in my book. But I think Luka's ceiling is much higher. Like top-5 higher if he can get a legit second star like a Jaylen Brown.
All you gotta know is is that James Harden since his first year in Houston has had 9 playoff Elimination games where he has shot sub 35fg%, 5 of those being sub 30fg%.
People saying he is an alltime playoff choker isn’t an overreaction
The “why do you think” whisper by drew LMAOOO
Lebron’s prime imo was 2009-2018. His peak was 2011-2018. If I have to pick just a 3 year stretch as his peak, I’d say 2011-2014
Joel was preaching about the Nets. There is always a team every year that just has something special about them, last yr it was Boston and this year it’s without a doubt the Brooklyn Nets
Luka getting praise and admiration for something Harden did legit multiple seasons but got labeled "selfish" and a "ballhog" for but at least Harden made the players around him better and he played in a much tougher Western Conference
@sld3577 bro how? Luka is playing in the easiest westerm conference of all time. Harden played against some of the best Western conference teams, the Clippers, Warriors, the Bubble Lakers, the Spurs. Who in the West is even a threat now? The only good player has was cp3 who was injury prone and choked in 2019
Lukas only 23, Harden didn't hit that stretch until later in his career, and plus they're playstyle is different. Harden relied on bullshit calls from the refs(after the rule change, it exposed his game and he had to become more of a passer than a scorer bc he couldn't get those numbers consistently without manipulating the refs) jacking up 3s to get his points. Lukas post game is way more polished, he doesn't have to shoot 3s and definitely doesn't get the love from refs when he's getting beat up in the lane like Harden did.
@user-rm4yz2qn9v for one Luka legit foul baits all the time and if he doesn't get the call, he spends two possessions complaining to the refs about it, 2nd Harden actually made the players around him better and on/off numbers prove it, 3rd Harden played in a much tougher Western Conference and its not even close, 4th Harden only started declining after his injury which isn't even his fault. 5th Harden won the assist title way before the rule changes took placd bc he was always a gifted passer. And Harden was always carrying the Rockets, as soon as he got traded the Rockets consecutively Made the playoffs despite how tough the conference was, that's why he top 3 in MVP voting 5 times. Your points hold 0 weight
@@sydguitar99 Difference is Luka post game and mid range. They are pretty much similar on other aspect. In the playoffs, team would find it easier to stop Harden than Luka because of Harden playstyle which was driving to the basket or stepback 3's. Harden also had plenty of help since his OKC days but fell short time and time again.
@@Jay-ml9vo the fact that your argument for luka being better is him being worse at shooting 😭 look at their win shares, look at their on/off numbers. Harden had a better peak.
Love watching/listening to you boys talk about sports, as long as Joel isn’t talking wild 😂
Happy new Years gang, yall only going up. I was checking every 10 hrs for a new ep
I totally agree with Joel with the whole Nets Celtics debate. Since Joel originally had the nets being a good team, it was mostly because KD and Kyrie. Kyrie wasn’t a part of that team when they were struggling bad and that’s when Joel basically was done with them. That basically means that we can’t watch them at the moment until they play better. So I understand how Joel feels about his nets prediction being a little different than Dehls who’s been shitting on them since last year. Also…Mike Brown should absolutely be a COY candidate. He’s turning the worst franchise around and they’re a top 5 seed. He implemented a warriors esque offense. This dude got Fox and Sabonis playing great defense lmaooo. Huerter looks like prime Klay Thompson. That deserves way more praise than a guy taking over a finals team. Dehls can literally take the Celtics to the conference finals with this roster. They’re elite. Will hardy has been fantastic as well.
Happy new year fellas. thanks for all the content u delivered last year. many more to come. 🙏
“im riding it” is crazy joel 😂😂
W episode and happy new year’s
Let’s goooo I’m at a New Year’s party and now I got something to listen tooooo
6:41 that’s crazyyyy
Nigga what
Riv is actually hilarious LMFAO
Joel my guy, but dawg Giannis definitely deserved the mvp in 2018/2019 lmfao 27.7/12.5/5.9/1.3/1.5 on overall better efficiency and similar advanced stats, far better defense, a better record by 7 games (not 1 or 2), and a worse team. Cp3 played THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAMES that season as he did the season prior and Capela played 67 games. also I’m pretty sure “the players voting Harden mvp” was for the 2015 mvp that Steph won, not 2019 lol. Like Riv said, hard to root for a guy when his Stans start these stupid agendas
Did Joel just say Luka is already above Harden all time?
1:17:00 thank you andrew, my guy Joel didn’t wanna being that up till it benefited his agenda
Looking forward to another year of the show. You guys are awesome. Btw Joel said that Cwood would have a better season than Sabonis so how can he call out Riv for his sabonis disrespect? 😂
Yoooo let's go!!! Happy new years everyone
Tuning in drunk as f after new years. Love you guys. Always appreciate the uploads
Gotta love how Joel ignored what harden shot in that 2018 game 7
First vid of 2023 going to keep supporting the boys through this year keep the great content up
Best podcast with through the wire watching from argentina love
I love that I know how old y'all are now man. I am 25 as well
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Record all time
Put some respect please
26 straight playoff serie with a win away .
What a record too
Lukas only 23, Harden didn't hit that stretch until later in his career, and plus they're playstyle is different. Harden relied on bullshit calls from the refs(after the rule change, it exposed his game and he had to become more of a passer than a scorer bc he couldn't get those numbers consistently without manipulating the refs) jacking up 3s to get his points. Lukas post game is way more polished, he doesn't have to shoot 3s and definitely doesn't get the love from refs when he's getting beat up in the lane like Harden did.
Stop it bro harden and Luka have the wya system but when harden did it people weren’t considering him the best in the league like they are Luka tbh I think luka is not a better player than Tatum
i've never understood people who complain about free throws. he wouldn't be getting fouled that much if he could be stopped. and what is this shit ass take? luka and harden have basically the same playstyle. why are you acting like luka doesn't get calls. peak harden years if you removed both of their free throws harden is still leading him in points. and luka is a 74% free throw shooter. him and harden both get 10+ FT attempts a game it's not harden's fault luka is ass at shooting free throws.
@@bloocco2393 You are delusional if you really think that. Swap Luka with Tatum and ask yourself which team would get better and which worse.
@@fangru7294 I feel that’s a weak argument because luka can raise a teams floor better but that doesn’t change the fact I think Tatum is a better fit for the Celtics because of his two way capability and how Lukas play style would not work for the Celtics
@@bloocco2393 Luka playstyle is depending on what players he has around him. Now he has almost nothing and need to be ball hog. The only thing Tatum is better at is defending and FT and thats it. Even his 3pt% is worse than Luka and do not even talk about post game... Luka has to go against better defenses because teams always target him and he still has better FG%. Also they have almost same FGA per game and Luka is still way better passer. Like I said only thing for Tatum is defense and thats it.
all time great episodes imo. my go to saying now is, “youre losing me”😂😂
I’m drunk asf but I love ya man . Top 5 podcasts fr
Happy new years boys! 2023 is y’all’s year, keep killin it!
That Christmas Bron jersey 🔥
Yoooo not Riv saying his girl food boutta he mid😂😂😂😂
LMAOOO I DESERVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY. DEF WASNT MID😂😂
There's no way Joel is saying harden is a better scorer than the man who's 1st all-time in playoff points, and finna be 1st all-time in regular season points. He's already 1st all-time in total points (combing regular season and playoffs).
More consistent =/= better
Longevity =/= better
goat "when shit hit the fan is u still a fan"? -Kendrick
It’s just banger after banger with these guys
Happy New Years Fellas
41:06 Hendrickson isn't out. He played last week.. Hubbard is gametime decision.
Trey hendrix is not out for the season....
I messed up there. Could’ve sworn I read he was gonna miss the rest of the szn with the wrist. Trey is real for that 💯
Ur good bro, love the podcast.
@@nastynatti4313 we appreciate that king. Happy near year Brodie 💯
I feel like the fact that von Miller is out for the season and Josh Allen is still banged up makes me lean the bangles in this match up
Y’all mentioned 1st 3 seasons and not bringing up Moss is wild
Josh Allen does have multiple playoff wins in a row. The AFC championship year, he beat Phillip rivers in the wildcard, then beat the ravens, and then lost to Mahomes in the AFC championships
1:49:07 They also called DeAndre Ayton in High school the next Dirk too 😅
Happy New Year everyone!! Let's go 2023!!
Talking about Luka vs Harder, I think Luka is better than Harden because he has the post-up + mid-range shots which Harden doesn't do that nearly as consistent as Luka. Harden's step-back 3 I think is better than Luka, but because Luka has that elite post-up game, he will be able to score more consistently against elite defense. Especially in the playoffs when everyone is game-planning you, Luka have a little more ways solves opponents' defense than Harden for me.
To me, The Mavs underestimated the Warriors! When the Mavs beat the Suns in the 2nd round, they probably thought they were going to take out the Warriors comfortably. I don't think they would make that same mistake twice!
Love this pod
Him choking isnt based on him not scoring 30. Its based on him scoring 30 on 30 shots
My favorite moments had to be the arguments about Tua😭 especially when Drew took Tua over Burrow
Luka fans, you can't have it both ways, you can't say Luka's team is ass he has no other players and then also look at his numbers glowingly. he gets those numbers because his teammates can't create offense. most Luka fans would agree Harden had a better supporting cast, and the fact that Harden had equal to better numbers with a "better team" just shows his peak is better than Luka is playing now. you can't have your cake and eat it too. if Harden was putting up better numbers with a better team, we can only assume he would be blowing Luka out of the water statistically with a worse team. and if Luka had a supporting cast as good as Harden's, he wouldn't be averaging what he's averaging right now. prime Harden clears imo.
plus Harden's box plus minus, his on/off numbers are still way better than Luka's, so that puts it all into perspective. if Harden's supporting cast is better than Luka's then because his team is way worse with him off the floor compared to Luka, we can only say Harden elevates his team to greater heights than Luka does. or we can say Luka has a better supporting cast, which would support his case more, but Luka fans love to have their cake and eat it too. if two guys are putting up 30, 10, 10, but one of them has a 'way better' supporting cast, then who had the more productive game? the guy with the better team clearly, assuming he had a better team means we assume he had less opportunity to put up those same numbers to a guy with no help. so we can't compare their numbers straight up. if Luka 'had help' he's averaging like 28 and 9 on slightly worse effeciency, which is nowhere near prime Harden's production. and if Harden had a worse team, we can only assume he's putting up greater numbers than 36 points and 8 assists, which is insane to think about. Luka will have the better career but he's not better right now. prime Harden was a monster.
Harden had a higher usage percentage with a better roster than Luka with his current ass roster. Harden literally had the ball more in his hands. Haha averaging 2 more field goal attempts as well. Luka is doing this at 23 and Harden fans are coming to attack him for no reason.
Harden had a +5.5 on/off net rating in 2018-2019 and Luka is +9.2 this year. So I’m not sure where you’re pulling some of your statistics.
@Aaron Deatherage Yeah because all y'all Lukasexuals do is make excuses to put Harden down and elevate Luka to a level that he's simply not on and y'all only care about stats instead of watching the games and actually putting context on how Luka and other players get their stats while watching a game y'all have become just like Bronsexuals you use stats out of context to make up weak arguments and boost up a player higher than another that's why Harden fans attack y'all because y'all are the ones who are biased and are attacking them with garbage ass takes and fake narratives to make them attack y'all and make them talk about Luka daily the way Jordan fans talk about LeBron daily if y'all Luka fans just STFU and never attacked Harden and his fans then his fanbase wouldn't attack y'all every day.
@@liamm6208 you don’t even deserve a response. Lol no one is putting down Harden. Luka is the first player to put up a 60/20/10 game and Harden fans flock to attack the guy instead of celebrating it. But while you’re comparing, let me know what Harden was doing at 23. Haha 10 years from now this take will look ridiculous.
@@aarondeatherage7678 prime Harden had a higher expected win totals than Luka, higher efficiency differential, well higher BPM, higher offensive box plus minus, WS/48, higher AST%, etc. I don't understand why Luka gets bonus points for being 23. why does it matter? the question isn't who will have a better career, which is almost certainly going to be Luka, but is current Luka better than prime Harden? whether or not he's 23 is not relevant. plus '18 Harden's best 34 game streak he was putting up 41.1 PPG and 8.3 AST on 54% FG and TS% above 60%. if you wanna compare 34 games of Luka to 82 games or multiple years of Harden you're being biased, if you want to take these 34 games of Luka over peak Harden's 34 game streak because one of them is 23 and the other wasn't, you're being biased. I'm not a huge Harden or Luka fan but let's be honest prime Harden was better. if Luka didn't shoot free throws at a Jarrett Allen clip this might be a different convo.
Derek carr 9 seasons and only one playoff appearance sheesh
Trey Hendrickson isn't out for the season he just played last week. A doctor determined there wasn't any further risk of injury by playing through his specific injury. If was just a matter of pain tolerance which is obviously going to be painful to play with a broken wrist. The Bengals have been extremely cautious with injuries given guys an extra week and sometimes 2 when they technically could've played. Although Hubbard practiced throughout this week it'll be interesting to see if and how many reps he gets if he plays. That's a critical player in this game considering how Lou Anaroumo likes to use him as a spy in his defense and his effectiveness doing so against a guy like Mahomes. Y'all do a great job, keep it up!
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It’s hella hypocritical for Joel to be using the clippers to prop up luka and make his performances seem more impressive, when he’s been a big advocate for them being overrated and fraudulent in that time
If Luka had cp3 he would fuck up the KD warriors more then harden ever did
Lmao Dehsl...you thought about that one?
literally the only team Luka faced that was worst than dallas is Utah. Out of that always against great team and way better than the mavs
I think Derek Carr really misses a lot of wife open people in key moments.
Wife open? What?
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Wonder what you guys think about McDaniels after today
The Isiah Thomas disrespect went crazy
Warriors were starting to catch our rhythm yak in trouble
1:11:51 is Riv saying Luka has played the Pelicans in the playoffs here ?
Prime Harden is a better passer is kinda insane tbh. I understand the majority of foos aren’t Mavericks fans so don’t get to see every game.
The difference is luka plays like this cause he has to and let me tell you with luka there is still a lot more ball movement than kt was woth harden. His teammates literally stood still, with luka there is at least some movement plus luka gets his in the paint, does 3 to 5 dribbles amd goes while harden definitely took longer to get that 3pt shot off
Ya smacked harden really had a 10 year run from the moment he landed in Houston
So Joel is saying that Luka clears Magic..........really?
6:41 🤣
Hendrickson literally played last game not out for season look alive drew
Do ya take in account inflation ? Real thing in the league .. as far as the harden vs luka debate
Passing wise Luka and harden are tied. They both made crazy ridiculous passes and both can get triple doubles easily
Hendrickson is not out for the season , what are you talking about😂
Ion know if jordan is generational if kobe is the same player
Prime Harden > current Luka but I wouldn’t want either. Not championship basketball to have one guys do everything.
Mavs talk is so aggravating cause I can tell they not watching every game
Taking nothing away from the nets, their last 20 or so games have been fairly easy matchups against below average or bad teams. They lost to the Celtics (best team they’ve faced in this stretch) but they do have some notable wins (Cavs and Bucks no Middleton). Fairly easy schedule
Generational should be a player that defines an era. Where as certain people can have generational talent but they need to fufill that talent and get accolades to show they reached their peaks. Like Luka for example is a generational talent but he hasnt completed enough in his career YET to be Era defining. Imagine if Luka ended his career today, is he an all time great? Did he define this era? What accolades did he achieve? I think those are the questions we need to ask ourselves about these players. There are a lot of all time greats but not every all time great defines an era. The nba is stacked with talent right now.
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In 2020 the Bills beat the Colts in the wild card and then they beat the Ravens in the divisional round
Funny watching this Kings segment. Drew got zero heat and should’ve been the main guy getting trashed. Not riv. Riv didn’t believe in Sac, that’s fine. I’m a sac fan and didn’t see this year coming. But the disrespect Drew was talking especially about this Sabonis trade is hilarious. Called it potentially the worst trade of all time. Even mentioned the KG, Pierce trade as comparable. Someone let Drew see this and hold him to the fire. Go watch that video 2-3 months after the Hali/Sabonis trade. We’ll accept Riv on this Kings bandwagon before we ever accept Drew. GO WORRY ABOUT THEM BUMASS LAKERS
56:50 luka harden talk
In the regular season, since we don't care about Luka's age and we simply judge by what he accomplished as of now versus Harden's peak, Harden is still better than Luka.
In the playoffs, it's not even close. Luka hands down is better in the playoffs. Scoring, Rebounding, Passing, Efficiency... what else do you want really? At this point, you are just arguing longevity and cumulative stats if you pick Harden over Luka in the playoffs. While Harden did eventually lost to much better teams, his team was much better than Luka's. Harden's team had a .639 win rate vs opponent's average is .683 win rate. Luka's team has .598 win rate vs opponent's average .672 win rate.
I used 2013-2020 Harden vs Luka 2020-2022. I did not count 2022-2023 since the season is still yet to finish.
Harden only lost to much better teams, he never actually lost to weaker teams. However, the times he moved deeper into the playoffs, the Rockets were expected to be there. So, you can't really use how many times they got in the 2nd round, Conference Semifinals, and Conference Finals in the argument either.
Y’all smoking letting this man rank Harden as a top 3 pg. IT lead a team to 2 rings, Jkidd lead his team to 2 finals and a ring as a supporting cast. Stockton 2 finals and Best pure pg numbers. The list goes on. Yall be letting waaaay to much slide. This is reckless
Luka beat the fraud Sun's who got exposed multiple time but Harden gets shit for not being able to beat 2 dynasties(Spurs and Warriors) and prime LeBron and AD by himself
How can u not blame Derek carr man threw 3 int in a winnable game in Pittsburgh the defense did they part that game there has been multiple games where carr let’s the team down how u score zero pts vs the saints like that’s on carr he clearly don’t watch the games if he’s just like 22 tds and 12int and u think he having a good season
Hendrickson ain’t out for season
Riv, Drexel????
Hendrickson is not lol
Luka is better than harden because he does more on the offensive side of ball so efficiently legit never happened
Harden is without a doubt a better three level scorer than Luka.