I agree with what you said about the deception itself. Very un-Jedi like: the good guys are lying! Of course, in real life there are no good and bad guys in war, but I like this fictional world to have a clear distinction between the good characters and the crooks. Another unrelated thing: this is the first book in story order (that I know of) to introduce the light shoto. I don't want to give anything away, but Luke learns how to use this when fighting an opponent with a distinctive weapon during the Legacy of the Force novels
It's not you-I know a lot of people are obsessed with this, but what does it matter if the author is a person of colour? White, Black, Asian, or whatever, it shouldn't matter if the book is good
I think I only listened to the audiobook of this and never read it. I didn't know that Sheeka Tull and Jangotat committed immorality. That really takes away from the book!
Will you be reading the 2 part books by Karen Miller? Clone Wars Gambit. I really enjoyed those two. The relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin was written perfectly.
I swear I thought the clones were sterile, and it was TCW that retconned that. But maybe that was Humans and Twi'leks breeding. I don't remember. I think the relationship between Nate and Sheeka could have been fine with a little clean up. It WAS a creepy relationship, and not okay, and needed to be addressed. I feel like if someone how just pointed out at the end after he came back how creepy and wrong it was, it would have highlighted the issue, of what is essentially a woman falling in love with a 10yo version of her ex-lover. Which, now that I think about it, wasn't there a Black Mirror episode about that? But also, there was a missed opportunity there to compare and contrast the Jedi and the Clones. The Jedi are snatched away from their families at a young age, gang-pressed into service as celibate monks, and punished for forming physical, let alone emotional attachments. They are more or less stripped of their humanity. And we know it didn't used to be that way, not that lone before. (Even ignoring D-Canon High Republic) The Clones live in a similar situation. Created against their will, pressed into service, genetically modified, altered, and used as machines. If anything, Clones are MORE human than Jedi, because they readily and openly question their humanity on multiple occasions. The Jedi delude themselves into thinking their unwilling sacrifice is for the greater good, and they aren't being readily manipulated, just like the clones. The Jedi are as much robots as Droids are. I do agree with Barnes on Anakin. Anakin's fall to the darkside was one of the most boring and ill begotten missteps Lucas ever made, and I, too, have trouble seeing him as Darth Vader. Ugh. Give me a time machine and let me fix this mess.
To me, the whole idea of Jedi not being allowed to marry, and the clones situation is just an example of odd rules. It shows that when people add or take away from the Bible's laws, things become strange. Marriage is an important part of life, with VERY few exceptions, it is open to couples, so barring an entire group or society from that is unnatural when it is not done willingly
I think Mr Barnes didn't know how Anakin's fall might interact with the Republic and Jedi doing something as shifty as the Deception. Maybe he didn't want his book to be seen as trying to Undermine the arc George intended.
You mentioned different creepy aspects of the relationship of the pair. The big one I have now that I know this was a case in the book is that they were having sexual congress without marriage. As far as the clone of Jango, well, that's sci-fi. The closest real life thing would be a widow marrying their dead husband's brother. There's nothing wrong with that, so I'm not sure where the creepiness comes in for you. Can you explain?
Jangotat is my favorite clone trooper ever
I agree with what you said about the deception itself. Very un-Jedi like: the good guys are lying! Of course, in real life there are no good and bad guys in war, but I like this fictional world to have a clear distinction between the good characters and the crooks.
Another unrelated thing: this is the first book in story order (that I know of) to introduce the light shoto. I don't want to give anything away, but Luke learns how to use this when fighting an opponent with a distinctive weapon during the Legacy of the Force novels
It's not you-I know a lot of people are obsessed with this, but what does it matter if the author is a person of colour? White, Black, Asian, or whatever, it shouldn't matter if the book is good
Really looking forward to you reading Republic Commando novels.
Loving all your notes while rereading my way thru the eu as well. Love the channel. This is the way.
I think I only listened to the audiobook of this and never read it. I didn't know that Sheeka Tull and Jangotat committed immorality. That really takes away from the book!
I have this book. I always felt that it promised much and delivered little. The cover is extremely misleading too...
Will you be reading the 2 part books by Karen Miller? Clone Wars Gambit. I really enjoyed those two. The relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin was written perfectly.
I swear I thought the clones were sterile, and it was TCW that retconned that. But maybe that was Humans and Twi'leks breeding. I don't remember.
I think the relationship between Nate and Sheeka could have been fine with a little clean up. It WAS a creepy relationship, and not okay, and needed to be addressed. I feel like if someone how just pointed out at the end after he came back how creepy and wrong it was, it would have highlighted the issue, of what is essentially a woman falling in love with a 10yo version of her ex-lover. Which, now that I think about it, wasn't there a Black Mirror episode about that?
But also, there was a missed opportunity there to compare and contrast the Jedi and the Clones. The Jedi are snatched away from their families at a young age, gang-pressed into service as celibate monks, and punished for forming physical, let alone emotional attachments. They are more or less stripped of their humanity. And we know it didn't used to be that way, not that lone before. (Even ignoring D-Canon High Republic) The Clones live in a similar situation. Created against their will, pressed into service, genetically modified, altered, and used as machines. If anything, Clones are MORE human than Jedi, because they readily and openly question their humanity on multiple occasions. The Jedi delude themselves into thinking their unwilling sacrifice is for the greater good, and they aren't being readily manipulated, just like the clones. The Jedi are as much robots as Droids are.
I do agree with Barnes on Anakin. Anakin's fall to the darkside was one of the most boring and ill begotten missteps Lucas ever made, and I, too, have trouble seeing him as Darth Vader.
Ugh. Give me a time machine and let me fix this mess.
To me, the whole idea of Jedi not being allowed to marry, and the clones situation is just an example of odd rules. It shows that when people add or take away from the Bible's laws, things become strange. Marriage is an important part of life, with VERY few exceptions, it is open to couples, so barring an entire group or society from that is unnatural when it is not done willingly
@@SJHFoto well said
The kids in TCW series were confirmed not to be the clone troopers biological kids. He was their stepfather
@@Gyatso98She just REALLY had a thing for humans.
I think Mr Barnes didn't know how Anakin's fall might interact with the Republic and Jedi doing something as shifty as the Deception. Maybe he didn't want his book to be seen as trying to Undermine the arc George intended.
You mentioned different creepy aspects of the relationship of the pair. The big one I have now that I know this was a case in the book is that they were having sexual congress without marriage. As far as the clone of Jango, well, that's sci-fi. The closest real life thing would be a widow marrying their dead husband's brother. There's nothing wrong with that, so I'm not sure where the creepiness comes in for you. Can you explain?
I read this when it first came out but I didn't remember it. Thank you for the recap! Now I know why I don't remember it....
Don't think I read this one. Should I? I' m not sure now.
You’d be fine with just this review tbh