The mysterious case of the drug-smuggling fishermen - BBC News
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- In 2011, a group of men from the Isle of Wight were given a combined 104-year prison sentence for masterminding a £53m drug smuggling operation. Does new evidence suggest they were innocent? A new lawyer, Emily Bolton, is working on their case and believes that may be the case.
She founded the Innocence Project New Orleans in the US, which has so far freed 25 prisoners, and has recently set up a new charity in the UK - the Centre for Criminal Appeals - to specialise in miscarriage of justice investigations.
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Pity the police weren't this diligent with Jimmy Saville, eh BBC?
They rarely investigate there own
Or Prince Andrew
Thats because they are freemason, and Jimmy Savile was a freemason.
Or any of the paedos that work for the bbc
Next time you need help call a hippy.
So did they catch any fish?
It was huge.... but it gottaway
ALIEN CHASER that was a good one
Exactly....
fish scale
why didn't the cops wait until the drugs were picked up and catch smugglers red handed?Surely that's the whole point of surveillance
The cops only had a coracle for the chase.
Gale Sylvester I had to look that word up! Coracle.
@@HciContractor I hope there was a picture when you found the word and that you laughed heartily?
Because the austerity plan has started to have a negative effect on their Learned Worshipfulness's' budget.
As pursuing the more successful miscreants, who can afford the services of competent council, is a long. expensive process, their Learned Worshipfulness's consider it uneconomical.
It's all about priorities, and while Dollar remains Akbar, everything else is academic.
I assume they were worried someone else would find it.
No idea if these men are guilty or innocent. Their behaviour DOES seem suspicious, but circumstantial evidence should NEVER be the sole basis for a conviction, let alone of this magnitude.
But one indisputable fact DOES stand out, and that's the despicable practice of police doctoring statements retrospectively to strengthen their case. Police need to be reminded, in the strongest possible legal terms, that their duty is not to get convictions, but to ensure the safe, smooth running of society. Rewriting reality to "punish" those who have not yet been convicted of a crime is utterly unacceptable.
Best comment by far. Insufficient evidence.
This is why I don't like the Police or the CPS. They are only interested in getting a conviction and they twist statements and evidence to get you convicted whether you are innocent or not. If they were in possesion of the drugs then they are guilty but they were never found with any drugs so it should of been a not guilty case. The CPS prosecuter obviously persuaded the jury enough for them to find them guilty, poor blokes.
Has anyone ever experienced a change in a police statement that favours the accused? I’d put money on this never having happened.
The police change statements most people would shocked what go's on
If they were guilty they would of just gone out and dropped it off and come back in straight away.
If I ever found packages floating in water I'd be diving straight in!! Without a second thought
You'd have to beat me ....well ..
Let's just split it dogg
Doesn’t have to be drugs but just the mystery👍
Cocaine soup for everyone!!
me to, but if i found it was drugs i would burn the lot, and think how many children's life's would benefit.
Ilikemylandy and how many ravers nights you’ve messed up
Only CIA and MI5 allowed to deal drugs.
John DeF haha you got it
Just like cia
So true 😆
The government CIA etc are the biggest gangsters in the country!
It’s Mi6 that’s more like the CIA, mi5 is like the fbi.
Why the f didn’t the police wait for someone to pick the bags up?
Probably the most unasked question but most relevant
His dad basically grassed him.
His work dried up so he did a one off fishing trip for some cash 🤔🤔
Jamesep3 my thoughts too
Yeah but you're gonna go from construction to world class drug smuggler overnight?
Lol, yup, I caught that too.
Your a gorp saying when the brick laying drys up he jumps on the fishing till the bricky work comes back you stink of a silver spoon
JD_k20 exactly what I was thinking! Btw I've never heard the term "grassed" him. Is that a UK slang?
how did they get convicted if there was virtually no evidence?
Ryan Anderson what are you talking about, there's no evidence needed when your convicted in America. You can sit in jail for years before trials over. And if your innocent they will "be doing you a favor".
your maid exactly. Especially if you're genuinely innocent and want to fight it and not plead guilty or take a deal. Cases can last year's and you have to stay in jail. Pretty fucked system, most end up just pleading guilty or taking a deal cause that's the only way to get over with
GooglePlusIsShit Conspiracy needs little to no evidence. the charge in federal prison is referred to as ghost dope. pure allegations and bullshit can sustain a conspiracy charge.
GooglePlusIsShit in the us they say we are innocent until proven guilty but really your guilty until you prove your innocence!
Because people are bibbins. And believe everything the authorities tell them
Way to long a sentence. For supplying people with a product that they want. Failed war on drugs will only open up the market for others to fill.
I agree. A consensual activity, whose PERSECUTION has cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
I swear some murderers have got shorter sentences.
dave setchell sounds like bullshit
dave setchell I know that diamophine is available but only in very limited circumstances and there are only a few hundred people actually prescribed it. As per cocaine I've never heard of that. I'll research those clinics though.
Mark Loveridge exactly, supply and demand these men are business men really.
fuck me 24 years but for killing someone you only get 3 years
No cocaine soup, no case. Loll
Sounds like theres a rat, somewhere
'it was just a one off fishing trip just to get some money' ONYA DAD
Why didnt they have the drugs picked up asap by someone in a smaller vessel that could of landed the drugs rather than let them stay in the water for any longer than need be ??? Why did it take a member of the public to report the bags floating when the police claim they actually seen them being thrown over board ??? It looks like a stitch up by the police to me ??
Elmwood 1965 strange
I don't believe the bags were floating as it was another local fishermen who found them.
Perhaps he was the collector of the bags, but realised the Police were all over it.
Who knows?
Wouldn't they have just switched their AIS transponder off and report main power failure if they were up to anything dodgy? No trace of drugs was found on the vessel.
How are you going to do a report like this & not tell us if they had any fish on board when they returned?? Seems like a key piece of data...
Are you dumb it takes a crew to run a ship like that
Come to papa
Hello
Exactly!!
Ye I also thought that when he left in his white van,was there any fish or lobster inside or had it been sold
My opinion, is is very likely they did do it, to be convicted on this evidence alone is a bit much tho. To the member of the public who called the police. What a dope. I'd have grabbed it for myself 😂
flash flash with the yaoo
One of the parcel would have lasted ages!!!
why would they need to be tipped off , they said they saw them dropping them off if the cops were on the cliff in the first place
Wow!
Guilty or not those sentences are too long.
William Doubleu nah probably just normal thinking human
@William Doubleu ur mum's a crack dealer
Way to long..Wonder what time HRH Prince Andrew will get......
"he had no reason to do it, he had a job" ........right then, he must be innocent!
Guilty! To go on a fishing trip then to get back to dock and just leave straight away, surely the fish would need processing and taking of the boat?
Exactly
Lobsters and Crab fisherman. Pots come up, you empty them, re-bait them and off you go.
No gutting etc to be done.
Thats the thing about a witch hunt. You always find a witch no matter where you look.
They're guilty as.
Not sure how you can throw men in jail when there was no evidence other than eyewitness accounts.
Everyone knows who brings in the big shipments
The voices in your head 🤔
.......Big Ships 🤔
Everyone but me... Who?
I have heard that natives of the Isle of Wight have six toes on each foot.
I dont understand why the fishing boat would be tossing g drugs off their boat instead of picking them up
Might have done it but the police changing the written record after they found the evidence means case has to be thrown out
Wish Britain would be this zealous in prosecuting child sexual abuse
Isle of White😂
Isle of Black
Classic
Eel of Wigget
It's spelt wight
Isle of Lucy.
Why did the fishing boat go all the way out into deep water, they never fished in this location , they only fished closer to the shore.
So when they arrived back into harbour, how long did it take to offload their catch ?
Shambles this justice system , i know killers who got less than that
This is a case of someone having to be punished, and people on the island (Isle of Wight) have a little bit grudge against Jamie Green so a person has give information saying they could see Jamie's boat 2mile of the back chucking bags over the side of the boat... I actually no myself that Jamie's crab pots were no where near this area and to be able to say you can see the difference between black pots and black bags being pushed over the side of the boat is no real possible.
Also I no myself that Jamie is the last person who is going to be near anyone or anything drug related, I have worked with Jamie and lived with him and from my time I can say he was the last person who would be involved with this, Jamie had only bought a new boat for his fishing business, so how would he manage to pay for 50mill for this.... I generally don't think its possible to see the pots from that far away and I am saying this because I have been on both the cliff top on the island and also fished at the back of the island.
FREE THEM ALL!!!!
R. I. P MRS GREEN
Also Jamie's family does not deserve any of these problems. They are all the best of people 🙏
Both vessels came far too close to each other to not be rendezvousing
Sue Beere defo had a few bags in her time 😂😂
Sounds very fishy to get out of the boat and straight in the van forgetting to unload their fishing haul of the night if there was any.
if you leave drugs dropped off to be collected later , prob gonna go wrong. if they had just taken it straight home ?
Didn't realize there was no evidence on the men's boat 🤔
With the bag’s leaking, you thought it would have been an easy thing to do.
defo guilty it all just fits too nicely
Why did they need it to be reported by a member of the public if the police were watching them dump the bags?
“How do his kids wrap their heads around his sentence”.... they’ll get it by the time they’re 30.
The moment it was discovered that the cops changed their story in the log book is when the entire case should have been tossed out.
At first I thought that the guys had a chance but then I heard that they have an US attorney. Game over. May your time pass quickly.
Even if these men are guilty twentyfour years is a ridiculous sentence. You can kill someone and be out in a few years. Crazy priorities.
How could you imprison people for a third of their lives over THIS EVIDENCE?!? This is so fucked up on so many levels
funny how the rope looks about 100m lol,isn't that the distance the boats stayed apart
The skipper was either guilty or plain stupid ? Probably both, would any serious professional not only set off on a one off fishing trip, off his normal route, in poor weather, take a complete novice to boot and then criss cross a bloody huge containership. Unfortunately the few facts that are available have easily proven otherwise. By the time this documentary was filmed they had served 9 years, yet the wife can barely keep a straight face. Finally how come no other fishing crew spoke up for them, in fact the buzz locally was and is they were being watched on more than one occasion.
Or the police could have sat on that cliff & waited for the people to pick up the gear ? :/ durrrpp
@@mcfcguvnors they got spooked, hence chucking it overboard.
"Just a one of fishing trip to get some money" says the father of the convicted.
the british goverment going to be high for years.
They HAVE been high for years
@@cjr4666 lol
From my understanding of this (assuming none of the fisherman were found in possession) they were convicted entirely on circumstantial evidence; itself containing several defects. Even if they were in that area for a purpose related to the drugs, it's hard to see how there was enough evidence to convict them all..
As the saying goes “There is no such thing as coincidence”.
Unless the police planted the evidence after failing to catch them during a previous operation. Which would have lead to zero doubts of their guilt. There could have been another vessel from a different port involved in the hours after the men were there. Once their vessel left that cove, the police also left. That's not to say I believe with 110 certainty they're innocent either. Too much evidence is circumstantial. Who's buoy was it? Why were the police handling the buoy without gloves on? By touching the buoy directly, they've contaminated the evidence. If the men and vessel were under surveillance, why is there no infrared video of them retrieving and dropping off the bundles? Was there a skiff on the fishing vessel they could have used to retrieve the bags from the channel? Do they have evidence showing the men buying more line? New line could easily be accounted for. The line could have been analysed to prove any line found on the vessel is a direct chemical match to the line found tied to the bags of drugs. Cuts on the line can be traced to the remaining line. An empty spool perhaps. The line used was brand new. Why did they deposit the drug in a highly visible location with bright white line? Why did the police not go after the items seen being tossed overboard right away? Why was a member of the public the first to alert authorities to the buoy and bags? Divers could have been dropped by a helicopter to investigate what the officers on land saw before day break. Infrared imagining would have proven beyond a reasonable doubt one way or another. This is technology any night time operation utilizes. Where are the videos? Why were the police on the cliffs not recording? Their cameras would have zoomed in on the lite up fishing vessel. Those on deck could have been spotted throwing the bags overboard. Were the men tipped off to the operation? Thus a hasty decision to drop the bags off where they could be retrieved? How did the police know to be in that exact location to witness items being thrown overboard? Did the vessels historical data show the same or similar path? And where is the money trail? If these men had done this in the past, there must be financial evidence or a hoard of cash somewhere? Were lobsters and fish being sold to one or more individuals or businesses for insane prices to hide their activities? Did their recorded catch line up with their income and lifestyle?
These are all questions the court must account for in order to provide a fair ruling on each individual case. I find it difficult to believe not one aboard either vessel has cracked.
Cheers!
The answer is DON'T SMUGGLE DRUGS!!!
Imagine finding that and reporting it that's the real crime.
this case would have never held up in a US court. and our system in the United States is crooked but not even thus bs would fly
Some fishing trip. Not a single fish landed. I hope the builder guy was a better brickie than he was a fisherman.
Google it they are either innocent or fuckin heavy duty gangsters the illegal immagrant does it for me and the sattile phone.
SU1 16 is moving westbound, throwing 6-7 items overboard at intervals! (18.42 hrs)
the next day
"totalling 10-12... The size of a holdall. They were tied together in a line... The last item was a red floating buoy."
the police r allowed 2 change their official log? well! hello hello hello what have we here then! What the police oath...
BBC b carefull
What about Zoran Dresic?
No mention of that inconvenient fact, when he’s the key to the entire story
Typical BBC
I couldn't of said it better!!!! "Just a Stupid Mistake"!!!
This is Fkd up man.
24 years ..... cmon that’s a bit harsh ... for a drug charge ..
So much denial in the family interviews lol.
their guilty, though luck, enjoy prison food .
the sister put her hand to her nose when she lied blatant
Yea, a fishing vessel miles away from port cant just putter over the 100 meters and grab those packages. Nahhh..... gimme a break. Fishermen buddies thought they saw a chance to get them and their families in a much better place quick..... temptation has ruined many people. Guilty. Ashame, but guilty.
"Oh we might've just been chucking some bait" their excuse for being seen by the cops dumping the coke lol.
these guys are guilty, the sentences are crazy but all evidence points to them!
Well, fishermen do use bait.
@@khalilrazak6486 They wouldn’t chuck bait away. They’d use in their pots. This is such a bad excuse.
Was there any fish on the Boat ?
vessels cross vessels tracks all the time for no particular reason
They loved drugs, money instead of their families....let them rot for causing pain and misery
If only I had a Fishing boat and knew where them bags were that were tied to the bouy.
lol she acts like she didn't know
What frightens me is that the police can convict you with such weak evidence. One boat Sails past another boat then a member of the public finds bales of Coke on the shoreline. Surely you need something more concrete than that. And surely if they were actually doing an investigation they would have something more certain.
They deserved the death penalty but got a stiff sentence, they were lucky they live in SOFT Britain.
I would be interested to know who the Eastern European was and what he was about. Also, did they have any fish?
you'd think trained Police surveillance guys on the cliff would have telephoto lens,cameras and video equipment to record evidence of what they were "witnessing" ??
if coke were legal there would be no need to smuggle it....i have always heard if you can't do the time don't do the crime
The name of the poiice operation is a little suspect "operation : disorient" what does that suggest to you?
Renwoxing13 Hacked By Scarce police are doing whatever the fuck they like.
shorton naturalmedication n
It suggests that the operation was named "disorient"
Disorient cocaine trafficking? Nothing fishy about name. Conviction for sure fishy but operation itself was most likely kosher
53 million..the intent was big and dangerous. It may not have been the first or last.
Poor poor drug smugglers got caught.I wonder how many lives have been saved by our police force on this particular case.Drugs not only ruins users lives,it affects the users family and friends lives as well.Not to mention the crimes users do to sustain their addiction.Those scum bag fishermen thought of themselves and only themselves.Don't drop your soap boys.
They never grabbed em(sports bags) & Y not nab em when they wer stashing them...Red handed..?? Coast guards or Navy maybe cud of help grab em @ the time of them putting them in2 the water...all a bit funny 2 me
Even if they are guilty, that sentence is too harsh. they’re local fisherman, not drug kingpins.
DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME!
tHEY SAID THEY THREW BAGS OF BAIT OVERBOARD? THATS A BLOODY LIE RIGHT THERE..WHAT COMMERCIAL FISHING VESSEL KEEPS BAIT IN BAGS?
its shown in other country's that legalizing all drugs makes a country much much safer and crime rates drop drastically. come on and let the bloody blokes go home to their families and legalize cocaine
ALL THOSE YEARS BY A JUDGE WHO MOST LIGHTLY DOES COKE OR DID COKE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL OR UNIVERSITY ? WAAAAAAAY TO LONG EVEN IF THEY DID DO IT !!!
They're always innocent 😒
I feel bad for him I would understand 5 years max
Did they have any fish to sell when they came back
Man I am still laughing as the one off fishing trip builder is hilarious , the footage of them walking along the pier shows they are gangsters and not ordinary people . Even though the sentences they got was stupid and unfair as killers get much less time .
true
So now u can be convicted cos of the way you walk ok whatever
Guy does a funny walk
Judge ....24 years
Guy touches kids
Judge ....18months suspended for 2 years
Well i'm shocked, i didn't know that a particular type of walk made you a criminal, you should write a book about it and liase with the police, then we could lock up more criminals!
@@greatwhite7968 I would be well and trully fooked then
In these days you can't even make some pocket money!
07:43 he was a builder , doing a odd bit of fishing lol, yeah righto lol, man if I was on the jury and heard that bullshit .
These builders were not fishing is what i am saying, they are taking the piss, its the sorry i got caught people , and the best excuse they were chucking out old bait lol .
It's not uncommon in smaller and island communities for people to have more than one job or skill so the idea of a builder who because of the downturn in his trade will look to make up their income by doing something else.
I think it's bullsheet but in the US they call it "conspiracy" it's very hard to prove but if you even say out loud your dealing drugs you can do prison time, sad
The lads had a good go but it fits like a glove 🧤 guilty guilty guilty!! 100% ?? But however the evidence was really weak for a conviction off that time there needs to be a way off being at least 95% not just one boat past another boat n some sniff landed at sea ha ha
they've all left behind wives and children... yeah not for long lol give it a few years and they'll have moved on with their lives. sad but true. you have to pay the price if you wanna play that game. Sorry but they were all aware that what they were doing had devastating consequences
it's disturbing to see how oblivious these people are thinking these guys are coming home the next day after being arrested on crazy trafficking and smuggling charges
the dense lawyer talking about how the cocaine wasn't in watertight bags because some if it was damp and therefore it had to have leaked somewhere on the boat she should be the last person to assume so many variables. wow really there can be many reasons why it was damp from humidity to temperature change to the freshness of the cocaine. was it tested for salt water presence?
betchalife at 11:40 you can clearly see the saturated cocaine pupring from a "waterproof" bag. That shit would've been all over the boat
Pouring
betchalife it was pure..
raw coke ready for a good bashing...is like chedder cheese
Guilty
I will say one thing,, they don't look like any fishermen I ever saw. From their mugshots - They look like people who started the fishing to mask their drug smuggling ways, and weren't fishing first, but smuggling first.
Renwoxing13 Hacked By Scarce Yes, there mugshots speaks for themselves. Sunken cheekbones, dark crafty eyes, weasel characteristics. Definitely wrong uns!
Renwoxing13 Hacked By Scarce , Have you even fished on a fishing vessel? On a short fishing trip like that , the point is to get as much work done in the shortest amount of time. So your usually up for over 24hrs straight busting your ass wet, cold and exhausted . Then when right when you come into port you get grabbed ? Umm ya, , sure you'd look Fresh as ah Daisy hu ¿?..
Renwoxing13 Hacked By Scarce thats how they looked like ? U stupid fuck maybe they got woke up in the motning, still fuck it let it be them and free them
ha ha your spot on well spotted , say no more !!!
:)
they wouldn't have left the drugs on a bouy if they did get it from the tanker they would have just brought it in
first comment!
How could the night watch on the cliff see anything if it was night? And moreover how come a member of public reported the bags if the night watch had already seen it?
thomas arther exactly it makes zero sense
They got what they deserved! they destroyed so many familiys
gareth roblyn exactly
How did they destroy anyone's life? I'd like an example with proof please
if they did it and brought the drugs in to the country. they only made drugs available to people who would want it.. George bush senior experimented on his own troops in the gulf killed hundreds. ruined thousands of families.. no punishment
Proof? The only proof of a crime is you butchering proper spelling. 24 years for you , you crime lord!
Daddy Bush's Zapata Oil was losing money until he used it as a front to smuggle heroin in as a young "business man".