India’s Final Hope - Archer NG
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Tejas and Arjun tanks had a similar issue. Instead of gradually improving, we aimed for the best from the beginning. The armed forces often change their needs. We're willing to spend a lot on drones from other countries, but we hesitate to support our own projects developed on a tight budget. Public funding without audits for these projects could help us take more risks and make decisions faster.
Very Good Point What A Thinking Bro👌👌🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏
Indian system has to give it's 110% to fool fill our armed forces requirements.
Your points are good, except the the idea that Public funding Without Audits for these kind of projects is somehow good.
Nah I don't agree with Arjun at all
I'm not claiming to be 100% correct; I believe the government and bureaucrats take too long to make decisions because all projects undergo audits by the CAG or Audit team. Even a small mistake can lead to a change in government; for example, CAG audit reports played a vital role in the previous government's change, creating fear in decision-making. Public funding isn't a practical solution; it's impossible to generate billions of dollars through it. For instance, the PM relief fund, generated through donations, might have led to many wrong decisions by the PMO during a critical time, but as it was funded through donations, no one can force an audit. The government should create a mechanism for faster decisions, involving senior CAG auditors and a Supreme Court judge to represent the SC. This way, no one can solely blame the government or bureaucrats if mistakes occur because all parties are part of the negotiations. National security projects should be seen as an insurance policy where you pay for security, knowing that some decisions may go wrong. Consider that even a government with a full majority struggles to make quick decisions. Delays in negotiations cost us millions of dollars more; for instance, the AK-203 deal faced prolonged negotiations, and with currency exchange rates fluctuating since 2015, we incurred a substantial loss due to the delay, with Rs 20 depreciating against the dollar since 2015.
Biggest loss for Indian defence for last few decades was demise of Manohar Parikor Sir😥😥😥
And we got kadi ninda 😅
Atleast vk Singh ko Bana dete
Manohar parrikar left defence when he went back to Goa to be cm , his demise have no impact on defence
How can armed forces don't have enough fund. They got almost 20bn dollars in capex.
Incase of navy there maybe many previous projects installments have to do. But IA and IAF don't have many ongoing aquisation. 20bn capex is almost double the amount of PAk Armys total budget.
Stop crying and blaming government everytime to hide your development failures,
yes our sarkari development and research departments are not serious monthly salary no fear of getting fired pension after retirement they need serious reforms
Subodh Bhai, you have nailed it👍🏻... Each and every statement in this video has so much underlying facts to ponder upon 🙏 I sincerely believe the top brass in DAC & GoI watches this.
Tho top brass ethna ajnani hain kya?
Nailed it? What is the purpose of running a defense channel when you can't guess the picture. In every video making exaggerated claims even though it was very much evident
You are one of a kind. Alpha defence. Please train the next generation. We need more people like you.
Subodh bhai, great work. Always like your pragmatic approach. 👌🏻
Rightly said. It's just a beginning.we must support our industry moreover their performance is comparable to many others. This will also motivate them for further R n D.
what comparable performance ? Turkey, a nation smaller than one state in India is already building 5th gen fighters and now flew an unmanned aircraft. India is pathetic.
rome was not build in a single day , everything needs patience @@Tomahawk1999
Bajaj Platina example was literally gold
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Jai Shree Radhe Krishna 🙏🙏🧡
Jai Bharat Rashtra 🙏🙏🧡
सवाल बहुत लोगों से पूछना चाहिए, मगर वो लोग सवालों की सीमा से परे हैं, देशभक्ति, देशद्रोह की सोच के कारण। हमारी सबसे बड़ी गलती युद्ध जीतने के बाद एक सही स्थान पे सीमा न बना पाना है।
Na bro archer ng is a limited attack drone with limited capabilities.
If we have to use it effectively then we have to use in swarns mode
Perfect Analysis....
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Wonderful explanation..
Bajaj Platina ki khub yaad dilayi aapney, Sach mein 100-110cc bike ka bahokaal mara jaata tha ... 2006 mein tab mainey Bajaj Discover lie thie...
I like and trust your analysis, goid job sir
Why your name is rachel?
@@Scientist1351must be Christian
You are a genius sir... You should be the scientific advisor to the prime minister ❤
Bhai theoretical and practical mein farak Hota h..you suggest itself is hilarious 😂😂
Chatukareeta 😂😂😂😂voo bhee donkey 🐴🐎 keee 😂😂😂😂
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I feel that IA should have acquired atleast 40 tapas in current form and given further enhancement suggestions like they did in the tejas program with Tejas mk1a, letting them know we have 200 requirements so we'll buy atleast 40 in the current mode and remaining 160 when it meets our criteria. Program should have had series enhancement that would have given confidence and monetary for the entire male drone segment!! The initial batches could later be improved to mk1,2,3.. standards.
If you look at other male drone from UAE, Iran, Turkey they started with altitude of 21-25k feet. This could have a good start for us especially the army tested like 1000+ hours and for almost a decade!!
Tapas should be used for smaller missions. They shouldn't completely scrap it. It's giving higher altitude than many MALE drones but 35000 ft is too much to expect right now.
Tapas can literally perform more than small missions, but at the end it's Indian uav this is a main issue here, due to babu's.
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if they had made it more aesthetically looking,
it would have saved the program.
it looks like it was designed by the same guy who designed the Ambassador car.
one thing i notice -- india is not good at eye pleasing product designs which is extremely crucial in selling any hardware to the military or consumer no matter how much they claim they focus only on the functionality.
looks matter.
@@mtrest4 baat sahi hai doordarshan and isro's live stream are best example. Isse achhi editing to Mai kardu😁
Sir koi apke jese defence knowledge ko simplify nehi kar Sakta
Anna 🙏 explained very well
Getting a sinking feeling......
sinking...
followed by annoyed feeling at the failure of DRDO
in delivering on this front.
You have provided a detailed and comparative nice information . ❤❤
Good Analysis ❤
Really i appreciate your efforts and view... People have to understand DRDO is not god or they doesn't have any magic stick.. every project need time money and most important.. patience and support which neither people not our armed forces shows to DRDO.
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DRDO gets unlimited funds and get as much time as they need. If armed forces are not patient with them, then patience needs a new meaning. What we need to understand is that DRDO can never work and need to be scrapped down to it's last atom.
Haha, this conversation reminds me the Spike procurement by Army under emergency mode which actually failed in Thar tests.
And emergency Base radar procurements which just happened 6Month before the timeline when DRDO fielded its own radar.
Epic controversy in indian procurement policies.
Alfa defense Exposed ho gaya ree... 😂😂😂💃💃💃
I remember the time when I did my masters and wanted to make drones at a startup with my friends. We made presentatuons and cold calls to a no of babu without any luck even after raising seed capitals through personsl finances and borrowings. Fast frwad 14 years, now I am making AI projects drones for western firm, my friends have settled in US and Europe and we still harbour dreams to contribute technologically to our motherland and we still got no clues. That is the bane...things are too complicated to start and sustain in India if you are the mercy of the babudom while govt have money to spend on freebies.
the general impression is that people fresh out of university
will be making hobbyists level stuff.
the design of the tapas drone looks like it was done by a hobbyist in his garage
even though that is not the case.
if there is one failing in most indian products, its products designed with poor aesthetics which leads to low confidence of the consumer.
@user-lb8bg6kj9m Not true entirely. The defense technological prowess is built on its defense incubators which is sponsored big time in most countries even if they have flourishing big pvt players. Sadly, these pittances of funds that are allocatted in India are given to professors of few university programs with no accountability who are hungry to get plagiarized stuff published on their names in research papers with 0 accountability. You would be shocked to see how the IIT research projects funds are utilized.
Subodh bhai, I like urs explanation everytime..to the point and precise....thanks🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳👍
Your study and analysis defines a difference between defence channels and the defence channel.
We trust you Subodh ji..🇮🇳🚩🇮🇳
you are the best bro...
Dusre ko expose krne wala, dusro k mze lene wala, ajj khud expose ho gya👌👌👌🤣🤣🤣karma bro
Good R&D. This is an eye opener
Jai. Hind
Parikar sir were from tech background and did understand the challenges. Others are mostly hypothetical.
my bajaj platina gave 98-102 kmph.
I used to ride it during my high school years.
Love you Bhai for your professional approach, passions and knowledge in defence matters you are true value add for us
Great video
Logical comments. Sahi aadmi milna kitna jaruri hai.
The original MQ1predator indeed had a flight ceiling of 25000ft, but it was phased out in 2018 itself and is out of production. The current versikn is MQ9B Reaper/Predator B , which alrhough having an operational altitude of 25000ft, has a max service ceiling of 50,000ft. So if mission calls for it its very much capable of operating at an altitude of over 30-45000ft
As far as Rotax engine capability is concerned, its well known that Israel typically tweaks all defense equipment. Even engines themselves will be tweaked and often souped up to deliver relatively higher performance.
The answer lies in the engine type.
At high altitude air density is less and oxygen is lesser
A piston powered propeller engine cannot suck enough air for efficient burning of fuel.
While in case of turbo prop, air is sucked and pushed in the engine by the main propeller and co axial compressors.
Since air is compressed now its density within the combustion chamber is high and there is sufficient oxygen for efficient burning of fuel.
Piston engine works best at low altitudes. When you take it to high altitude you end up spending more fuel to get enough thrust and compromise on endurance at high altitude as well.
(Kind of similar to going 60km/hr in 2nd gear instead of 4th gear)
MQ9 uses Turboprop engine not piston and until and unless Israeli are adding some roohani power those numbers are not possible
Tweaking physics is possible?
@@AlphaDefenseHindi The tweaking comment was about Rotax engines. Israeli equipment in service or production typically demonstrates several non standard characteristics. Best example at present would be F-35I Adir, which is considered a deviant variant that demonstrates very different performance characteristics as compared to standard F-35A.
Hence its proved again no doubt India can never ever compete with Türkiye and tragedy is they recently flown their stealth flyingwing Anka 3 drone and India had to close a project of simple surveillance drone 😂@@AlphaDefenseHindi
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Hence its proved again no doubt India can never ever compete with Türkiye and tragedy is they recently flown their stealth flyingwing Anka 3 drone and India had to close a project of simple surveillance drone 😂
As we say, the devil lies in the details
1. This podcast shows clears that we need a technically competent Raksha Mantri rather than a nice politician. MoD should fund Tapas fully and gift them to IAF for use. It can be used extensively during peace times or for many second level or tertiary uses as well. May be it can be exported too to those countries whose Army is not so ''professional'' like Indian Army! 2.Archer NG is fine and we should go for it as well. Let us pray our Army will be okay with it.
1. Lets not waste our resources just because people in DRDO need to justify their salaries. Kick them out and give their share of funds to more competitive people. No one in the would would buy Tapas. Kalyani managed to sell ATAGS when Army is not placing orders. Ever wondered why none of the products from DRDO are able to find export success via DPSUs?
2. Army will be okay with it if it meets the deadline and the parameters. I just wish they had snatched this project from the abyss called DRDO and given it to someone more worthy. But alas. Another failed project is waiting for us.
A new design and test facility was opened at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s Aero Engine Research and Development Centre Friday.
the facilities should be rented out to the private sector as well.
otherwise its a lot of money going in and little in the way of output.
We all miss badly manohar sir
Jai hind🇮🇳
We need proper project definition. Also what we need is design engineers. No wonder our defense projects like missiles aircrafts drones ships and tanks look unrefined. Design is critical
yep.
basic things like stream lining the design are important to maximize endurance, reduce drag and fuel consumption.
why does the tapas drone look like it was designed by the same guy who designed the ambassador car.
Tedbf fighter jet me irst system hoga ki nahi
Hum log yaha development phase me hi hai , aur udhar turkey same category ke TB2 drones 600 numbers me produce kar chuka hai aur export bi kar raha hai. Aur bi many several types of drones bana chuka hai aur export bi kar raha hai , aur bhikari padosi bi induct kar ke operational kiya hai , aur turkey drone aircraft carrier bi bana chuka hai , aur hum drone development me hi uljhe hai. Atleast iran ke shahed-136 loitering munition jaisa toh drone banao jiska range 2500km & 50kg warhead hai. Vo toh banao jo large numbers me induct kar sakte hai. Russia bi licence produce kar raha hai Geran-2 ke naam pe & china bi copy kar ke bana raha hai sunflower-200 naam ka.
Bharat ko ab koi technocrat defence minister chahiye jese manohar parikar sir the or jaise abhi railway me Ashwini vaishnav sir hai
We will miss Manohar ji for ever no doubt on that
Rajnathji is from science background...MSC physics !
Manufacturers always give the numbers which are best achieved from Ideal laboratory condition tests & from controlled environments. Be it Bajaj or a drone company !
Army's requirement for 24 hours endurance and 30 thousands feet is very basic.
if its basic,
why do most other drones not have such capability
If they can reject Tapas BH-201 then they can also reject Archer-NG.
kuch to hai jo hume nahi pata. otherwise I'm convinced ki Tapas or Archer NG are good drones.
Sab kuch qpna hi problem hai ..because hum Engine nhi bana pa rahe hai
Defence minister sahi nahi hai yaar . Late Manohar parikar was a gem defence minister and Late CDS also was a gem .
Jai shree Ram 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Tapas was capable of 28000 ft and 18 hours. Forces should have taken it in some numbers and based on its experience further developments may progressed. But due to stubborness of forces it failed. Our forces live in dreamland and demand unrealistic things. It never thinks it takes time to develop and want imported things. Result we will lose a future battle with china.
It was never an unrealistic requirement it was just a basic necessitiy which all other competitors satisfied with even max payload.
Right brother
Ik when im 50yrs old ill still be watching your videos as im going home from gym
you in your late 40s currently
as your picture indicates.
@user-lb8bg6kj9m haha no. Im 23 and a 4th year medical student. And you're clearly partially blind as your comment suggest.
WOW 😮
2:35 platform thopa kyun nahi ja sakta ?
Aise banega India superpower foreign se weapons import kar ke . 😂😂😂😂
रियल ज्ञान आपने दिया है
my single question to Emotional fools:
if you want something in urgent and you go to your favourite shop and they said,"your product will be available in 2 days", you revisit the store after 4 days and they still don't have it. Will you go to other shop or will wait for more days???
Emotional fools are asking when reaper discussion started ?
Plz make a video on Indian Navy induction of ships in 2023.
The Requirement of the Indian Army is unrealistic , I second your opinion that a thorough testing of all the drones be conducted like the MMRCA and then decide the winner. The Import lobby has worked very hard in this Hermes deal. Just look at Tejas now it flying high!!! the drones manufacturing can replicate the same if they take the indigenous route.
Alpha bhai nuclear ⚛ submarine pr updated vdo chahiye,I hope u will make it
Missing manohar parikar sir
Tapas shouldn't be inducted even after this success? At least in minimum numbers
Great is the enemy of good, our defense sector never understood this
Back to back
Indian armed forces requirements are of another world.....
Bajaj Platina example was on point , my bro hits 🎯
Recently Pakistan successfully tested indigenously developed Rocket Artillery Fateh-II (400 km)game over for india 🇮🇳😔😔
Tapas is the best option . Armed forces ko adani chhap kuch ...de...honge isliye hermeas pasand hai.
There is a saying that if an aircraft looks right it will fly right. On a similar note I would say that an effective war machine will always look like a modern war machine. Tapas looks like a very basic platform for developing drone system capabilities. For that reason alone it should not be inducted but continue to be utilised as a development platform. From what I see, Archer NG is nothing more than an IAI platform with some Indian systems. Having developed the basic capabilities, DRDO should now develop a range of indigenous drone platforms that meer the forces' requirements and look like fighting machine.
Problem funds ka hein ya lack of quality engineers ka hai😬
Only One Thing Funds--Funds--Funds.
No not lack of quality you have to watch this video
हमारा और एक टेक ऐसा है कि अगर डिफेंस वाले लोगों को अगर भारतीय प्रोडक्ट नहीं भी लेना है तो वह ऐसी शर्त रखेंगे जहां पर आपका इंडियन ड्रोन बैठेगा ही नहीं‼️ लेकिन अडानी का जिस कंपनी के साथ सौदा हुआ है⁉️ उस कंपनी के ड्रोन भारतीय लोगों के पैसों द्वारा अगर लिया गया तो सोचना पड़ेगा ‼️ यह सेटिंग की डाउट हमें इस वक्त हो गया था जब अडानी का नाम ड्रोन में सामने आ रहा था ‼️🔥🔥🔥
अभी भारतीय लोगों को यह देखना है कि भारत में डिफेंस सेक्टर में अगर कोई भारतीय लोगों के साथ गद्दारी करता है तो उसकी मौत की सजा सुनने के बजाय उसको सीधा मौत दी जाए ऐसी मांग करनी पड़ेगी ‼️🔥🔥🔥
Need powerful and reliable engine for good drones
I do a 'kadi ninda' of the guy at the helm of affairs in defense ministry. Our defense aviation sector is in a jam
TB2 Drone model
Army has long history of import lobbying for foreign equipment even when domestic designed and manufactured were better than foreign imported ones
We have the tech which i must say is worlclass. We are just not able to put it all together that is issue. Hope someday everyone can reach a concensus.
Jo ek basic drone nehi paye wo kya armed drone bayenge.
I am not a aeronautical engineer. But comparing the light weight UAV with Medium weight is not feasible.. Design of the TAPAS UAV seems more like typical passenger aircraft rather than popular UAVs in market.
When you say looks like base that conclusion on some inference
Any update on Archer NG? no news for 6 months
Sir kay Rustom project ko intentionally close Kiya Gaya hai?
It's a strange predicament. Armed forces want a low-cost drone, which can achieve 30,000 feet. To keep costs down, piston engines are being used, which can't achieve 30,000 ft. Based on this, the program is called a failure and shelved. The need to have a hard core technocrat at the helm of defence establishment is critical. US defence secretary Llyod Austin is from defence background, Russian defence is from defence background, Chinese defence minister is an ex-PLA. Any major military power like India, whether a democracy or otherwise, should have a technocrat/ ex- military officer as a defence minister who can weigh in complex matters like drones, MRFA, Submarines etc. Else the fate of these programs will be similar to Tapas.
Piston engines can achieve 30,000 feet, design of the UAV as well as properly optimised engines can help with that. IAI Super Heron is a live example of it.
@@TRITON_X
that is a turbo charged engine.
and turbo charging the engine means more fuel consumption to keep it aloft.
@@mtrest4 It doesnt, turbochargers merely pull more air into the engine as air is thin on high altitudes. By forcing more air into the engine, a turbo allows it to extract more power from each combustion cycle. This can potentially lead to increased fuel efficiency compared to a naturally aspirated engine of the same power output.
@@TRITON_X
A turbo charger (on a vehicle) has to spin as a whopping 40,000 rpm or some such number to suck in sufficient amount of oxygen during the combustion cycle. And I don't think its just pumping in air but compressing it to a high level as well.
That's why you typically see "light pressure turbo charged engine" or "high pressure turbo charged engine".
So basically its a compressor of sorts.
Now what is the power consumption of the turbo charger itself having to spin at that rate?
If all it took to increase the fuel efficiency of a car was to suck in more air, every car with an internal combustion engine would be equipped with a turbocharger.
I suspect fuel efficiency is traded for more power on the output which is why race cars are equipped with it, not cars aiming for fuel economy.
So in fact one may be getting less fuel efficiency but more power output.
@@mtrest4 Even TATA and Mahindra cars come equipped with turbocharged engines.
Modern turbochargers are highly efficient. You would typically get more power output than what u take in.
You are right. The same is the case with specs of Gripen..Analyst on youtube and there followers have to understand that wikipedia and other secondary sources just propagate the most easily available information and it should not be made basis of such serious commentary.if you want serious discussion you have to delve deep and have to collect some authentic information.
Bro please make a video over Archer NG versus MQ 9 Rapper
I meant not parts merely, but exponentially develop diverse drones on their own on a competitive footing, by roping in excellent engineering brains. Govt. may have a limit to its funds, but dozens of private enterprises can pour in lot more money and raise newer things with new equipges. Think of the American approach to such issues. Jai Hind.
great
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What is the use of higher altitute for unmanned ariel vehicle ? isnt range and delivery more important.
Adani ki entry hote hi desi projects derailed. Sanjog ya Prayog ?
Prayog Very Good Point👌👌
Where exactly does this 24 hours 30000 feet requirement comes from, how are these numbers decided?
Hermes ko bi test karke e Lethe hai its not a andhadun purchase, kuch toh advantage hoga tabhi toh le rahe hai
TOT ke sath France se engine kharid lo aur Tapas me lagalo, endurance and Height sab achieve ho jaegi
Indian Air force & Indian army should concentrate on rapid way archer ng's development & induction process rather than only importing attack drones from USA & Israel,if India can build cutting edge loitering munitions, Quadcopter attack drone, anti drone system then I am sure it can made attack drone also
Dead of Manohar Parrikar, Bipin Rawat, Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj and others were indeed in close succession. What to make of this?
I appreciate this video. 👍👍👍 But I think the question asked earlier in the video is not addressed - The question regarding Archer NG's need. Is it needed, because Tapas has 2 engines, and is used to try and address some other requirement of Armed Forces ??