but that's not what he said.. he said exactly the opposite, its not quicker response its just an offset to the throttle. if it actually opens up the throttle quicker I'm a buyer otherwise its just not that usefull
I had one of these in a 2016 Challenger SXT, and a 2017 Jeep Wrangler Sport. The Pedal Commander does exactly as they advertise, it adjusts throttle response time with out effecting your warranty. The Challenger V6 is 305 HP, and you get access to that 305HP faster than stock. It's not a novelty item, it does exactly what it is designed to do. Thats it. If you want a tune, thats a whole different calibre of mod and isnt plug-and-play.
I got a scenario for ya. I just put a leveling kit and 275/70r18 tires on my 2010 f150. The changes, in-turn made my truck very laggy. I installed the pedal monster brand on my truck and now I am getting the response I need from my truck. Just as I was before. Indeed I didn’t gain any more power at all. It just brought back that same response I had before. I don’t have to push further to get it going. It feels more responsive. As it should. It does serve a purpose, for me at least, outside of a being a “novelty”. Thanks for the vid and happy truckin!
@@SmoknJaysGarage huh? Dude do you like hearing yourself talk because you clearly didn't give a flying fuck what @kyron said it sends a pulse electricity greater or smaller to the eco period...your way fucking off its not about fucking opening the throttle body open further its the fucking pulse its sending
Yeah and heard that the 5.7s do lag, so they'd work well for them. But would be a waste on an SRT because the throttle response is already quick, and would put the money towards a cam or something if it were me. Although if someone is having issues with response, then I would suggest getting one that we seen recently called the Roar and is about half the cost of the PC. Is priced around $160, and then use code Hemi muscle for $10 off
Drive by wire not only relies on the distance traveled on the pedal but also the rate it’s pressed. You can press the pedal in such a way to never reach wot while completely floored. If you want the least amount sensitively, just stick with stock, although some stock vehicles behave as if their input/output % is pretty high. I personally prefer a more sensitive pedal. And with the pedal max you can achieve 100% throttle at 25% or less pedal depending on the speed of the press and setting. Ideally you would want a system that is 1 to 1, meaning, 10% pedal travel always is 10% throttle, 50% is 50% always, and floored is 100% always. But we are stuck with drive by wire.
@@OverstreetCycles Yes, you can run it on stock vehicles. Plug and unplug anytime vehicle is off, this is super easy. The only real caution ⚠️ is never change settings while touching the gas pedal. Changing throttle settings, changes voltage ⚡ output of accelerator pedal. This will therefore cause pedal position sensors to have dual fluctuations and will give your vehicle codes/ check engine lights and other diagnostic issues. These can be cleared with an OBD2 code reader, but may lead to a ripple effect of sensors being affected.
The problem here, which is obvious by all the RUclips videos of people timing their 0-60 times manually, they think when they mat the throttle the timer starts, and not by when the car actually rolls. I have yet to see a video with a proper set up showing improved times, this device just gives your butt dyno a boost in confidence.
adds exponential to the throttle. same as in a digital rc airane/helicopter control. movement of stick/pedal versus movement % of the servo/throttle body. same exact thing
I literally control checked my throttle body with Dial calipers before and after. No difference. I also took 2 synced cameras and did the response test and it did exactly as the manufacturer says it does. It opens the throttle body faster. Not wider.
THERE IS NO LAG SMARTASS its all in your head or make a video and show me. Adjusting the input voltage thats regulated by your foot from a pedal does literally nothing the computer isnt bypassed theres no magic you are an idiot
@@truthtimetv4575 no man I’ve seen many videos on it showing faster 0-60 times. I think your the idiot here, do some research before opening that big mouth of yours
@@nathanpaul2298 I don’t need to research anything I have an electrical engineering degree and develop aftermarket performance products for a big name company for a living. These things are laughed at on a daily basis and it angers me so many people truly don’t understand what exactly these are or do and so easily fool them. What can you do, right?
@@JcbUWF1248 maybe you can open your mind to the truth and not be part of the problem. Theres no smug tool bag shit happening here just facts. Its the only way to confront anyone who thinks these do anything because they cant be told they wasted their money its a fight to the death and a complete waste of time
I was debating on ordering this but instead I just spent the extra couple hundred dollars and got my car tuned. It’s a 2013 Ford Escape ecoboost. Now that I looked further into the pedal commander, I’m glad I went with the flash tune. It’s made by a company called livernois Motorsport. If I’m not mistake, they also make a flash tune for your truck. It’s customizable and costs about $500. Basically all you do is purchase the tuner and email them what mods you have done to the vehicle and they will make a tune for your vehicle.
Now that my truck is no longer under warranty, I'm very seriously considering getting a dyno tune. But I'll check this place out too. Thanks for the info.
It doesn't "only" open the throttle more. It ALSO opens it faster. It gets rid of the delayed ramp-up to throttle position. It does not give you more power, but it increases the response and it's a HUGE difference when driving.
@@muhammad-bin-american Exactly. And I can see wanting the lag off road in some instances but wow i love the PC for daily driving. City+2 solves it for me :- )
@@g.fortin3228 Still in the early stages in testing but so far city+2 on my HHR SS appear to give me better MPG. Still early though but I am impressed with this thing. BTW I try not to mess with it that much. I set it for the day and leave it alone. If say i wanna have some fun with Sport + I completely turn it off and then make the selection. Out of abundance of caution I have stopped using the Bluetooth for now.
@@muhammad-bin-american the bluetooth is fine so long as you are at a stop and engine is idling. I also tend to set it and not touch it..usually city+2 as well. Occasionally I'll pop it to sport +1 for a day if on a hiway trip and merging into traffic more often than my usual daily driving. it may have helped me add an mpg back as well.. seems like it, not sure, but certainly didnt hurt the mileage. That said, I drive with a light foot most of the time.
Very good explanation of how the throttle body opens, but would be better if you explained also the response time. Now the vehicle you’re testing is also a heavy large vehicle, my ram versus my Z very similar but I can still feel the takeoff on the ram but the small car like the Z is extremely noticeable difference. So by the throttle body opening farther with less pedal Will increase reaction time. If you want to go full bore testing You should test how long it takes between stock and the pedal commander to get the body open that far. I’m not saying you’re going to gain a second or two on the 0 to 60 and you’re not going to get anything on the top end at all, but if your vehicle to stock or close to stock it will give you an advantage once you find the mode you can put it to the floor without breaking traction. I have one of these on a 370 Z and a 2021 ram. You can 100% feel the difference between city mode and sport plus mode. My wife will vouch for that 100%. You are 100% correct it does not add any horsepower change shift points or anything else but if you dial it in correctly you can gain a little bit of time especially on your takeoff, will not help your top end at all. And most definitely if you want to show off put in sports plus +4 and you can annihilate the tires. Another thing is mentioning The eco-mode, by putting my ram in the eco-mode in the city gets me about an extra 1 to 2 miles per gallon Which isn’t much, but if you were going on a long trip I get 20-22 mpg. Again good video, not bashing it just commenting on the testing method.
It's not telling your throttle body to open further it's telling it to open FASTER, that's the reason for having such a device to increase the throttle response time and get rid of the computer lag thought process.
I just bought one, it does feel faster/more responsive (even if it's not) - I do enjoy the driving experience when using it even if it is a gimmicky device. The eco mode does seem pretty good on my Tundra however. Quick question, if you've ever been on Sports+, do your wheels spin on take off? Even when I'm on Sports+ level 1, just a tap of the accelator will spin my rears
If you enjoy it, that's the important thing. I feel like sport+ really accelerates fast. Yes, it's very hard not to spin on a take off. It also seems almost impossible to accelerate at all without it dropping down a gear once you're moving.
My buddy came over told me about this product. We did a bunch of runs but stock to the plus mode was one and a half seconds faster in the quarter mile . Didn’t say it made more power or horse power it just came on so much faster! It made a believer of me!
@@SmoknJaysGarage that's completely wrong definitely a point in this if you have a tune a tune does not do the same thing you can try and get some more response with a tune but not to this extent
I m the kind of guy that can t keep a car stock.. stage 1 is must (if the engine is turbo or superchared)also it only costs around 350$ for a good file here in Europe.Why so many dislikes? He is right in every way. Say NO to powerboxes and this pedal enhancement!
First time checking out your videos. You did a great job brother. You're honest, you got to the point, you weren't boring, yet entertaining to watch. You got yourself a new subscriber. 👍
I measured my throttle response in my 07’ frontier. Rolling down the highway at 55mph, if I let off the throttle completely, let my rpms drop to idle, then floor it, it takes between 2.2 and 2.5 seconds for the truck to adjust my throttle and start bringing the rpms up. I thought the throttle body must be dirty so I cleaned it out thoroughly with no change. I’m starting to think the oem tune does this to prevent people from accidentally accelerating harshly in packed traffic, does the pedal commander reduce the time it takes to open the throttle body, or just open it further at the same pedal position? I want to eliminate the throttle lag as best as I can.
very good description of what these devices do. Im considering putting one on my raptor. Ive done bunch of research and Id like to think I'm fairly mechanical guy. Theres no HP here, they "spike" the voltage to the throttle plate sensor > causing it to open quicker & further. Knowing all that ......... still think Im gonna try one :) :)
@@KyGun I was not at all happy with it. I took it put about a year ago. I have since gotten a new tune for the truck, and I'm much happier. Better throttle response, firmer shifts, and more power. If the pedal commander was $25, I'd say get it and have a little fun. But at $300, I'd recommend spending a little more and getting an actual tune. You'll get a lot more for your money.
There’s no correlation between how wide open your throttle goes versus your foot in regard to response. If you push the pedal 50% in but only get 30% throttle response, that’s the problem.
Great video. Yeah, it's a scam in a way. Some cars actually feature Eco, Normal, and Sport mode, which actually affect the response time of the throttle body (this is possible because the manufacturer includes this in the vehicle), but this device does not do that. However, I would say, technically speaking, if you have a heavy foot this device would be good to use in Eco mode. Or, inversely, if you have a very weak leg this could work great. But like you said, it does not eliminate throttle body response time
So you're saying that pressing the pedal down 20% of the way takes the same amount of time as pressing it down 100% of the way? LOL. Interesting. That's what these things do. Make it so you get 100% throttle with a press of only 20,30%. I don't understand how you think your foot is magic, and can get to 100% BEFORE it gets to 20%. Tell us how. Go.
@@mkaney805 yeah, I almost don’t like having it anymore, almost turned it in for a refund. I rarely drive my truck and I left mine at city 0 setting. It’s super touchy if you forget you have it.
have a 2018 GMC 6.2 I had this before i got a tune....stock could barely turn the tires over from a stop. set it up on the high end punch it at the stop just like before tires spinning but I guess that was just in my head?
Well then you weren't flooring it at a stop... or you're doing your testing on a different road, or under different conditions, or your tires have worn down.
@@zipper978 okay understood. So it doesn't make your car faster it just makes your throttle respond quicker. Basically eliminates the lag oh, is that right?
@@lylefuller4996 No it does not eliminate any lag that occurs in your engine.. it does not improve throttle response.. it changes how your pedal works.. you could accomplish the exact same thing by pressing your pedal harder. It's a gimmick.
@@mkaney805 you're not understanding how drive by wire works. You push the pedal, and it has to take your information and relay it to the rest of the system, and then by the time it gets there, you might have anyway changed throttle position and it's still playing catch up to your foot. Just pushing harder does not make that communication lag go away, in fact you're going to notice it even more when you slam the pedal and you go nowhere. With this device, when you push the pedal, it is almost instantaneous response, so the car is going when you tell it to go and how fast you're telling it to go. Stop thinking from a power perspective, and think of it as efficient. This does exactly as described and if you drive a car with drive by wire (especially a dodge) you will feel instantly what the hype is about. So remember, not more power, more efficient.
It was information any tune or product is better than nothing, and depending on your situation and the person driving in weather towing. Etc. Etc. All depends on your situation. The person using the vehicle from a truck to a car. Adding a pedal command with a tune would help anything to add horsepower or changing the dynamics of the vehicle again. Depends on who is driving and what your purpose is. You seem to know things about the dynamics of the measurements of the photo body measurements. Compared to some people that is informational. Some people don't know that and not saying you're dumb. But there are some people who think that people overlook or don't understand but thank you for your information, anything can help improve a vehicle in different situations. Gas brutal snow sand spends a where you live to.
I believe it does help Performance with offered applications... There's been times where I've had Is huge lag While trying to climb.. This eliminates that lag
I didn't feel it responded any faster. However, theoretically, if it eliminated say a 1/4sec of lag, then your 0-60, 1/4mile etc times should be a 1/4sec faster.
Good information, I respect everyone opinions. I own 2019 6.2 high country Silverado and a good friend he is a excellent mechanic he advice to install the pedal commander with the K&N sistem and the Corsa sports. I said let's do it, I glad I took he's advice is a huge difference really work. This combination doesn't avoid the warranty and really recommend. 😊🤝👍👏
Yes, this will push the pedal further for you, thus hitting the passing gear fast. I don't think it's worth $300 when I can just push the pedal down myself for free. But some people do find value in it.
I have the 08 HHR SS 2.0 Turbo. Man GM deliberately slowed down that car. Horrible stock tune. Very slow throttle response. So bad that even a Prius can beat it from a stop. Of course it will catch up later. Decided to get the Pedal Commander. What a difference. You touch the gas and its gone.
i bought this to do the opposite.. my throttle is too sensitive! i leave an intersection and my truck jumps like im trying to race the guy next to me.. i am just about to go install it and will see how it works.
@@SmoknJaysGarage dude i just did the install and took it for a quick drive and set it to city -3 and WOW! super impressed! no lurching like i am trying to race everyone next to me..lol well worth it!
I don't use it anymore. But during the time that I did, I never got a check engine or limp mode. I've heard that has been an issue for some people. Just make sure you never adjust a setting on the pedal commander while your pressing the gas pedal. That's what messes it up. I only made adjustments while stopped and at idle, and had no issues.
Actually funny you mentioned that. Had my F250 Tremor for 2 months. First month I forgot about the pedal adjuster and had it adjust forward (closer). Truck was peppy... dropped the pedals back and almost as if there was some lag. More comfortable for my 6'1" but now have to push further so to speak. So analogy proven lol.....
@@markr3055 not on mine it doesn't. It's actually slower. Both my 0-60 and quarter mile times are consistently slower with the pedal commander, both with the dragy and at the track.
That's possible. However, the pedal commander is not universal fit, it is make and model specific. So if that is the case, it's not on me for owning a Ford. It's on them for making a product specifically for my vehicle that doesn't work on my vehicle.
scat packs & hellcats dont have throttle lag in sport mode.. this product is pointless on those cars, this is for guys with squatted trucks on 24s to feel fast
I was going to buy it, but after seeing so many comments of people saying it doesn't improve anything I changed my mind. I don't understand how is possible so may people think it does works and other people think it doesn't 🤔
Everything you said in this video is correct; one problem though , at no point do they at Pedal Commander say that it will increase horsepower. This product is to improve response time of the pedal. This is not really meant for a 600 to 800 horsepower car or truck, more for the 100 to 300 horsepower vehicle. Works well with your v6 SUVs and the like. If you bought this wanting more horsepower then you did not do your do diligence, and that is on you not them at Pedal Commander. So if you have a car. truck or suv that you fear can't make it a crossed the street fast enough, then this is for you. If you want to shave time off your 1/4 mile, then you need to bite the bullet and get the tune.
Thanks for your feed back. Everyone keeps saying, "it doesn't add horsepower". I don't recall ever saying that it did or that I expected it to... I think a tune is definitely going to be the way to go. Lindgren Supercars currently has a car on their dyno, but the truck is next! So stay tuned... we're going to do a tune and a few other things.
You can also just press your pedal harder. it does not improve actual response time. It changes how much your car thinks your pedal is pressed and that is all
Thank you, saved me money, you are the 2nd video I saw about it. In another video the guy actually tests the 0-60 time and concluded with no difference. He did notice it on the MPG's because of the opposite of what it does, which is reduce the throttle opening.
Amor responsive throttle is considered enhancement. If your vehicle responds quicker and more aggressively then without. It is doing something to Change performance. Just cause you’re breaking down how it works doesn’t mean it’s not doing anything.
It doesn't even do that.. It does not bypass the CPU. The example here that proves the point is that forget about how it changes the response when press the pedal slightly... Just consider what happens if you are stopped, and you absolutely floor the pedal. Is the pedal commander going to change the response at all in that case? No, it is not. Not one bit. It does NOT REMOVE LAG
Yes, it consumes more gas. I no longer this product, but while I did, I didn't run into any problem. I've heard a lot people saying it tripped codes or sent their vehicle into limp mode, but I personally didn't experience any of that.
You could, but it would be kinda pointless. I stopped using mine even before I got a new tune. I found my times were actually slower(at the strip and using a dragy) using it than without it.
I have one. On a Ford Raptor. Don't call it a gimmick or fake. Huge difference from with to without. You can't duplicate what it does by just pressing the gas pedal harder. It does something. No doubt. I loved it at first. That being said, I've had it on for 2 years. I started noticing odd shifting, especially down shifting, or not shifting, at odd times. Like to the point I thought something was f*cked up. I took the Pedal Commander off, and my problems are gone. I don't go by what people "say" ---- I go by what I actually experience, and that is what I've experienced. Did it start to malfunction? Cause havoc with ECU even though it's "not supposed to"? No idea. But as of now, I'm glad it's off.
@@fluidflacka I did multiple test with and without the pedal commander using a dragby and on the drag strip. Every single run was slower with the pedal commander, so no, I am not wrong. But thanks for your comment.
I've watched multiple vids.. were people did text with a actually throttle body setup (outside of the car in controlled investment) and it clearly give a faster response when the pedal commander is on... the throttle body clearly opens faster not farther.. maybe it just dont work for your truck but it aint cool to actually have all these people believing its a gimmick when it does exactly what its intended to do
For roughly the same price, you can have the car tuned to get rid of that throttle lag and gain horsepower as well. This device shouldn't be any higher than 60.00. Also I'm sure someone can whip up a home made device with a dip switch and a couple resisters.
Even with a tune in a lot of these old common rail diesels already have a lot of throttle lag this technology has its place and obviously it doesn't do that much for his truck but they do a heck of a lot for mine
I agree in terms of the price. A bit too high IMO. But yes it does work as advertised with no issue depending on the vehicle, setting and ability to follow instructions.
I believe the ECU controls the injectors as well, based off of your TB position. Yes, opening the throttle wider will increase the air/fuel flow. But in my opinion, you don't need a $300 add on to do that. You could just press the gass a little further yourself.
I i think the modes for rock crawling might be beneficial. At the moment my GX470 is a bit touchy when I tried to feather the pedal lightly yet get some forward momentum without it lurching forward like I'm ready to blast off to the moon. In those regards, I can see a slower curve being helpful. Faster? Well... afr in theory should be the same as stock.
It’s like with this on you push your normal pedal 1/4 throttle this will tell your pedal to go 1/2 throttle. I can do this with my foot. Good video, thanks.
This shouldn't have any effect on anything other than throttle placement. Just make sure you never adjust it at anything other than idle. I've quite a lot of stories of vehicles going into limp mode from that.
@@SmoknJaysGarage There is a programmer for the 98.5-2002 Dodge ram trucks with the Cummins diesel. It claims to add 65HP. While it does add some HP I am sure its main "trick" is to compress the throttle much like this pedal commander and it gives the illusion you gained alot of power, its just an illusion though. Good video pointing out what that thing is actually doing.
Disappointing. I was hoping it reduces throttle response lag, not trick the system into thinking were pressing the gas harder than we actually are. Thanks for this video. Saved myself roughly $400. I can safely say, most of us here want to reduce the lag/response time so that the throttle body opens up in as real time as possible with pressing down on the gas.
A lot of people in the comments are confusing what you are actual saying. Your points are valid. Anyone commenting on how he's somehow arguing against the companies claims is clearly not paying attention to what hes talking about or just don't understand how your cars throttling works. Hes not saying he was expecting his truck to go faster lol.. goddam people are dumb
Did he just say “I’ve got twin 160mm throttle bodies.”??? I’m not at all familiar with the Roush Ford truck but DAMN!!!! Guess I’ll be studying a lot on this truck. He says it @ 1:22
Here is a quick video that shows what you already know is happening and that all of these pedal controllers are just very simple variable resistor setups that shortens the overall effective pedal throw in the performance levels and lengthens the pedal throw in the economy modes. ruclips.net/video/CLMGueJIXsk/видео.html
All this is....is a tuner that changes the response time of the electronic system. I spent my career as an engineer in the refining industry and we had the same tuning on our Honeywell control systems. We determined how much to open a valve and how fast the valve opened. If you want a valve to open to 50% you tell it to open 50% of range...with the controller, that opening can occur in 1 sec, 1 min, 1 hour, 1 day.....you get what I am trying to say. I read about these controllers a lot and was on the fence....but ordered a Pedal Commander for my 2022 4Runner and it should be in this week....my only concern and I just saw an ad for the Pedal Monster by Banks Engineering and it looks like Banks has some fail safe measures built it such that loss of signal will default to stock mode, I have not read about any such a safety back up system built into the Pedal Commander. If someone knows about loss of the controller and what it will do, please post here. I have to say, the Banks product looks real interesting.
So basically it tricking people into thinking their truck is responding better when in fact its only doing what they could be do all along and that is push the peddle down farther and faster, correct? Do you see any advantages to this at all? If it just controls the position of the throttle body what is with all the selections like ECO and sport? Is it all just a scam?
That is correct. Just push the pedal a little farther on your own and save yourself $300. The various modes just adjust the throttle body more or less. For example, the ECO mode opens your throttle less instead of more. You may find an advantage when towing. You could feel like you're driving normal while the pedal commander pushes your gass a little more to accommodate for the extra weight. Still...hard to justify $300. At least to me.
This product and similar products are not a replacement to a tune, you don't get more power, and I don't think they advertisse to do that. If you want more hp/tq, then you ned a tune. These products just remove the accelerator lag present in drive by wire vehicles. From my experience it works, mash the gas with this device and you get off the mark way quicker. My experience anyway.
Did you check how quick the throttle response as opposed to how much the throttle response because there is a marked delay from the time you hit your throttle to the point where the car actually moves there seems to be throttle delay that is the Big challenge
Great video , I have a 2013 raptor roush supercharged all stock from the dealer and I was thinking about this product but honestly it's a beast as it is , I think by owning my truck for 5 yrs maybe I just got use to the throttle response and maybe seeking a bit more 🤔
You definitely would be happy with an electronic throttle control you can get one on eBay for 50 bucks guarantee you will be happy with it.. this guy making the video is correct in some way but he doesn't really understand what's going on
There are objective ways to actually measure acceleration. So far, on most videos I've watched where the reviewer is using the onboard 0-60 timer (some vehicles have those) and they average it over multiple runs with and without the device, there is usually a drop in how long it takes to get to 60. This should make sense because when you're eliminating a delay (such as when the rpm actually hits the target to produce max power) you should have full power sooner (like how electric vehicles have instant torque). The issue at that point is contact patch grip. Assuming your tires can make use of all the power that's being applied earlier in the launch, the mass of the vehicle should overcome inertia quicker and therefore accelerate quicker. In my experience the half second less it takes for the ecu to catch up to what i want to do is reflected in getting to 60mph. You can't replicate that with your foot because feet aren't faster than electricity.
@@SmoknJaysGarage thank you for pointing out that I didn't communicate effectively. When I wrote about being faster getting to 60, I was talking about from a roll where you're already moving (such as entering the highway, pulling out from a stop sign and you turned so you wait until you're in the lane to punch the gas, or passing). Yes, I mentioned others using 0-60 timers that were built into their vehicle. I was using those to try to illustrate about registering times, not just pulling out a stopwatch. As for your 0-60 tests, in my opinion you should do 5 runs without it installed and 5 runs with it installed and see if the average changes, that way the variable of the device is eliminated and you can get a true baseline number. From what I understand on the topic, the pedal commander is trying to step up voltage in what's a very limited circuit. So, that translates (at least in my vehicle) to my engine, which is a VVT basically treating it like I put a lower grade fuel in when I step on it with a higher level (such as sport+ with +3) and basically making more noise but not actually pushing the car as hard. I don't know enough about your truck to know if that's the case with yours as well. But, if so could help explain part of why you got .3sec or so worse 0-60 times in sport+. For reference, I have a 2014 ATS 2.0t. It's supposed to take all fuel grades but will reduce valve timing if it gets anything slightly weird to protect the engine. That will reduce power by about 5ish horsepower (in my vehicle per Cadillac). All in all, cool video, very thorough. After about 2 years of running one, I agree that it's not worth the money even if it's at a $50 discount. In my vehicle at least I can't use the entire range because if I use the upper ends my car tends to throw codes (apparently that has to do with voltage issues based on the fact the PC is trying to draw from a very limited circuit).
Lol if your making the throttle response faster, you are making the car faster. If I’m at a light and step on the gas will i move faster off the line with the pedal commander? Or without? I believe I will be quicker off the line with it therefore making me faster with the commander.
@@mkaney805 LOL I understand it will not add any horsepower to my vehicle. My point is it will get me to point B faster than it would take me to get there without it therefore making me faster. Two exact vehicles, 1 with and 1 without both hit the gas at the exact same time and the 1 with will get off the line quicker and make it to point B faster than the 1 without LOL
So this is a total waste of money bc I can push the pedal farther down to get to the speed I want. I thought this was suppose to eliminate the lag time from idle to what ever position you put the throttle at. No wonder when I rode with my friend it felt like he was just floor boarding it every time he took off.
Faster throttle response = Quicker. No, you don’t get more power. You get more power sooner.
Nice summary!
This is exactly what the company says it does. This is a good commercial for them. They say quicker throttle response... not more horsepower
but that's not what he said.. he said exactly the opposite, its not quicker response its just an offset to the throttle. if it actually opens up the throttle quicker I'm a buyer otherwise its just not that usefull
I had one of these in a 2016 Challenger SXT, and a 2017 Jeep Wrangler Sport. The Pedal Commander does exactly as they advertise, it adjusts throttle response time with out effecting your warranty. The Challenger V6 is 305 HP, and you get access to that 305HP faster than stock. It's not a novelty item, it does exactly what it is designed to do. Thats it. If you want a tune, thats a whole different calibre of mod and isnt plug-and-play.
I got a scenario for ya. I just put a leveling kit and 275/70r18 tires on my 2010 f150. The changes, in-turn made my truck very laggy. I installed the pedal monster brand on my truck and now I am getting the response I need from my truck. Just as I was before. Indeed I didn’t gain any more power at all. It just brought back that same response I had before. I don’t have to push further to get it going. It feels more responsive. As it should. It does serve a purpose, for me at least, outside of a being a “novelty”. Thanks for the vid and happy truckin!
In that same manner, it can be used when pulling a trailer as well.
Thanks for your comment.
It doesn't make your car faster, it just eliminates acceleration lag. Nothing more, nothing less
It doesn't actually do that even. The response time in the same, it opens your throttle body further, making you think it happened faster.
@@SmoknJaysGarage I've seen some people time it before. It makes a difference...
...opening the throttle faster means your car jumps faster, which means you go faster. Maybe about a second or 2, but that matters on a track.
@@SmoknJaysGarage huh? Dude do you like hearing yourself talk because you clearly didn't give a flying fuck what @kyron said it sends a pulse electricity greater or smaller to the eco period...your way fucking off its not about fucking opening the throttle body open further its the fucking pulse its sending
Yeah and heard that the 5.7s do lag, so they'd work well for them. But would be a waste on an SRT because the throttle response is already quick, and would put the money towards a cam or something if it were me. Although if someone is having issues with response, then I would suggest getting one that we seen recently called the Roar and is about half the cost of the PC. Is priced around $160, and then use code Hemi muscle for $10 off
Drive by wire not only relies on the distance traveled on the pedal but also the rate it’s pressed. You can press the pedal in such a way to never reach wot while completely floored. If you want the least amount sensitively, just stick with stock, although some stock vehicles behave as if their input/output % is pretty high. I personally prefer a more sensitive pedal. And with the pedal max you can achieve 100% throttle at 25% or less pedal depending on the speed of the press and setting. Ideally you would want a system that is 1 to 1, meaning, 10% pedal travel always is 10% throttle, 50% is 50% always, and floored is 100% always. But we are stuck with drive by wire.
When it comes to getting off the line quicker, throttle response is still important. Regardless of added horsepower or not. I enjoy mine.
Get a real ecu mod if you want that for your highly customized track car because that is the only real world use for fast throttle response.
Can you run it stock tune and switch it as you please? And will it throw a code when you remove the Commander ?
@@OverstreetCycles Yes, you can run it on stock vehicles. Plug and unplug anytime vehicle is off, this is super easy. The only real caution ⚠️ is never change settings while touching the gas pedal. Changing throttle settings, changes voltage ⚡ output of accelerator pedal. This will therefore cause pedal position sensors to have dual fluctuations and will give your vehicle codes/ check engine lights and other diagnostic issues. These can be cleared with an OBD2 code reader, but may lead to a ripple effect of sensors being affected.
The problem here, which is obvious by all the RUclips videos of people timing their 0-60 times manually, they think when they mat the throttle the timer starts, and not by when the car actually rolls. I have yet to see a video with a proper set up showing improved times, this device just gives your butt dyno a boost in confidence.
adds exponential to the throttle. same as in a digital rc airane/helicopter control. movement of stick/pedal versus movement % of the servo/throttle body.
same exact thing
Which isn't necessary in a vehicle....
I literally control checked my throttle body with Dial calipers before and after. No difference. I also took 2 synced cameras and did the response test and it did exactly as the manufacturer says it does. It opens the throttle body faster. Not wider.
Exactly. It works great, as it should at that price point.
No hp gain just quicker response on the throttle body. I actually did my 0-60 a second quicker. Remember this is only because the oem lag is gone.
THERE IS NO LAG SMARTASS its all in your head or make a video and show me. Adjusting the input voltage thats regulated by your foot from a pedal does literally nothing the computer isnt bypassed theres no magic you are an idiot
@@truthtimetv4575 no man I’ve seen many videos on it showing faster 0-60 times. I think your the idiot here, do some research before opening that big mouth of yours
@@nathanpaul2298 I don’t need to research anything I have an electrical engineering degree and develop aftermarket performance products for a big name company for a living. These things are laughed at on a daily basis and it angers me so many people truly don’t understand what exactly these are or do and so easily fool them. What can you do, right?
@@truthtimetv4575 Woah calm down, you might lose one of your 3 subscribers...
@@JcbUWF1248 maybe you can open your mind to the truth and not be part of the problem. Theres no smug tool bag shit happening here just facts. Its the only way to confront anyone who thinks these do anything because they cant be told they wasted their money its a fight to the death and a complete waste of time
I just love the new responsiveness I get out of the pedal, not just from a stop but while going 30-40 mph.
I was debating on ordering this but instead I just spent the extra couple hundred dollars and got my car tuned. It’s a 2013 Ford Escape ecoboost. Now that I looked further into the pedal commander, I’m glad I went with the flash tune. It’s made by a company called livernois Motorsport. If I’m not mistake, they also make a flash tune for your truck. It’s customizable and costs about $500. Basically all you do is purchase the tuner and email them what mods you have done to the vehicle and they will make a tune for your vehicle.
Now that my truck is no longer under warranty, I'm very seriously considering getting a dyno tune. But I'll check this place out too. Thanks for the info.
Where you get you car tuned?
Well you would get a tune to make your car faster, that’s not the point of the pedal commander. Lol
It doesn't "only" open the throttle more. It ALSO opens it faster. It gets rid of the delayed ramp-up to throttle position. It does not give you more power, but it increases the response and it's a HUGE difference when driving.
That's my understanding. Eliminates the lag which is really bad in some vehicles.
@@muhammad-bin-american Exactly. And I can see wanting the lag off road in some instances but wow i love the PC for daily driving. City+2 solves it for me :- )
@@g.fortin3228 Still in the early stages in testing but so far city+2 on my HHR SS appear to give me better MPG. Still early though but I am impressed with this thing. BTW I try not to mess with it that much. I set it for the day and leave it alone. If say i wanna have some fun with Sport + I completely turn it off and then make the selection. Out of abundance of caution I have stopped using the Bluetooth for now.
@@muhammad-bin-american the bluetooth is fine so long as you are at a stop and engine is idling. I also tend to set it and not touch it..usually city+2 as well. Occasionally I'll pop it to sport +1 for a day if on a hiway trip and merging into traffic more often than my usual daily driving. it may have helped me add an mpg back as well.. seems like it, not sure, but certainly didnt hurt the mileage. That said, I drive with a light foot most of the time.
Where is the proof?
Very good explanation of how the throttle body opens, but would be better if you explained also the response time. Now the vehicle you’re testing is also a heavy large vehicle, my ram versus my Z very similar but I can still feel the takeoff on the ram but the small car like the Z is extremely noticeable difference. So by the throttle body opening farther with less pedal Will increase reaction time. If you want to go full bore testing You should test how long it takes between stock and the pedal commander to get the body open that far. I’m not saying you’re going to gain a second or two on the 0 to 60 and you’re not going to get anything on the top end at all, but if your vehicle to stock or close to stock it will give you an advantage once you find the mode you can put it to the floor without breaking traction. I have one of these on a 370 Z and a 2021 ram. You can 100% feel the difference between city mode and sport plus mode. My wife will vouch for that 100%. You are 100% correct it does not add any horsepower change shift points or anything else but if you dial it in correctly you can gain a little bit of time especially on your takeoff, will not help your top end at all. And most definitely if you want to show off put in sports plus +4 and you can annihilate the tires. Another thing is mentioning The eco-mode, by putting my ram in the eco-mode in the city gets me about an extra 1 to 2 miles per gallon Which isn’t much, but if you were going on a long trip I get 20-22 mpg. Again good video, not bashing it just commenting on the testing method.
Thanks for your input.
It's not telling your throttle body to open further it's telling it to open FASTER, that's the reason for having such a device to increase the throttle response time and get rid of the computer lag thought process.
That is the purpose, you are correct. However, that's not what it actually does. It opens it further not faster.
I just bought one, it does feel faster/more responsive (even if it's not) - I do enjoy the driving experience when using it even if it is a gimmicky device. The eco mode does seem pretty good on my Tundra however.
Quick question, if you've ever been on Sports+, do your wheels spin on take off? Even when I'm on Sports+ level 1, just a tap of the accelator will spin my rears
If you enjoy it, that's the important thing.
I feel like sport+ really accelerates fast. Yes, it's very hard not to spin on a take off. It also seems almost impossible to accelerate at all without it dropping down a gear once you're moving.
Does eco show mpg improvement?
@@nonenone4078 not that I noticed. But I never used eco much.
@@SmoknJaysGarage exactly eco is for corollas
My buddy came over told me about this product. We did a bunch of runs but stock to the plus mode was one and a half seconds faster in the quarter mile . Didn’t say it made more power or horse power it just came on so much faster! It made a believer of me!
Glad to hear you had a good experience.
thats why you get a tuner along with this throttle enhancer and will see major improvement in performance
There's no point in this if you have a tune.
@@SmoknJaysGarage that's completely wrong definitely a point in this if you have a tune a tune does not do the same thing you can try and get some more response with a tune but not to this extent
I m the kind of guy that can t keep a car stock.. stage 1 is must (if the engine is turbo or superchared)also it only costs around 350$ for a good file here in Europe.Why so many dislikes? He is right in every way. Say NO to powerboxes and this pedal enhancement!
Wouldn't a Roush already be tuned for performance? Especially for throttle response for which the Pedal Commander was made.
Roush gives you a pretty mild tune because they offer a full warranty and also allow you to retain your full factory warranty.
I own a Roush but I can’t afford a custom tune??
No because they have certain limitations they're not really allowed to pass because of safety and electronic throttle control bypasses that
@@jamesgang94591 I own a Shelby and I still like electronic throttle controls I would use it with a tune 🤷
First time checking out your videos. You did a great job brother. You're honest, you got to the point, you weren't boring, yet entertaining to watch. You got yourself a new subscriber. 👍
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed.
Its does make a lot of difference i got mine for my 2018 f150 and it can go very quick adding up the sports mode and its even better
Really helpful videoooooo!!! Thank you for being honestt
Thanks for watching.
I have it in my Ford also, 💯 correct sir great 👍 job on the video
Thank you.
I measured my throttle response in my 07’ frontier. Rolling down the highway at 55mph, if I let off the throttle completely, let my rpms drop to idle, then floor it, it takes between 2.2 and 2.5 seconds for the truck to adjust my throttle and start bringing the rpms up. I thought the throttle body must be dirty so I cleaned it out thoroughly with no change. I’m starting to think the oem tune does this to prevent people from accidentally accelerating harshly in packed traffic, does the pedal commander reduce the time it takes to open the throttle body, or just open it further at the same pedal position? I want to eliminate the throttle lag as best as I can.
I'm my experience, it only opened the throttle body further, but not any faster.
Its not advertised to go faster. Just eliminates throttle lag
very good description of what these devices do. Im considering putting one on my raptor. Ive done bunch of research and Id like to think I'm fairly mechanical guy. Theres no HP here, they "spike" the voltage to the throttle plate sensor > causing it to open quicker & further. Knowing all that ......... still think Im gonna try one :) :)
A lot of people are really happy with theirs.
@@SmoknJaysGarage Since you have one installed are you happy with the way it performs?
@@KyGun I was not at all happy with it. I took it put about a year ago.
I have since gotten a new tune for the truck, and I'm much happier. Better throttle response, firmer shifts, and more power. If the pedal commander was $25, I'd say get it and have a little fun. But at $300, I'd recommend spending a little more and getting an actual tune. You'll get a lot more for your money.
Yes we know it doesn’t make your unit any faster. It just eliminates throttle lag. Just like it’s advertised.
No one ever said it made you faster
@@SmoknJaysGarage yeah… I never said it did lol
I’ve been thinking of getting one for playing in the twists. Sounds like I can just use my foot and press the pedal farther lol.
Yup, pretty much.
@@SmoknJaysGarage I figured what you said in the vid, I was wondering if these devices open throttle plate faster than oem.
@@billcharlene1450 not faster, only farther.
@@SmoknJaysGarage 10 4 Thanks!
There’s no correlation between how wide open your throttle goes versus your foot in regard to response. If you push the pedal 50% in but only get 30% throttle response, that’s the problem.
You earned my subscription!
Thank you
@@SmoknJaysGarage I was on the fence about buying/installing one of these my camaro, think oll pass on it,,thankyou for the info,
@@tucoramirez9729 if you understand the difference between throttle response and throttle placement, I don't think you will be happy with this.
@@SmoknJaysGarage 👍👍
I don’t care what people say I have it in my 2024 Ram and my shyt is faster! 😂
Happy customer here.
Great video. Yeah, it's a scam in a way. Some cars actually feature Eco, Normal, and Sport mode, which actually affect the response time of the throttle body (this is possible because the manufacturer includes this in the vehicle), but this device does not do that.
However, I would say, technically speaking, if you have a heavy foot this device would be good to use in Eco mode. Or, inversely, if you have a very weak leg this could work great.
But like you said, it does not eliminate throttle body response time
So you're saying that pressing the pedal down 20% of the way takes the same amount of time as pressing it down 100% of the way? LOL. Interesting. That's what these things do. Make it so you get 100% throttle with a press of only 20,30%. I don't understand how you think your foot is magic, and can get to 100% BEFORE it gets to 20%. Tell us how. Go.
It seemed to respond quicker
It will also respond "quicker" if you just push the pedal down further.. that is all this does
@@mkaney805 yeah, I almost don’t like having it anymore, almost turned it in for a refund. I rarely drive my truck and I left mine at city 0 setting. It’s super touchy if you forget you have it.
Great video. Other videos suck about pedal commander explaining what's happening
this dude don't know what hes talking about lol.
have a 2018 GMC 6.2 I had this before i got a tune....stock could barely turn the tires over from a stop. set it up on the high end punch it at the stop just like before tires spinning but I guess that was just in my head?
Well then you weren't flooring it at a stop... or you're doing your testing on a different road, or under different conditions, or your tires have worn down.
Why are you arguing against a point the company themselves don’t make?
SOOOO many people on YT do that shit. I see it ALL the time.
exactly. this is for improved throttle response nothing more.
@@zipper978 okay understood. So it doesn't make your car faster it just makes your throttle respond quicker. Basically eliminates the lag oh, is that right?
@@lylefuller4996 No it does not eliminate any lag that occurs in your engine.. it does not improve throttle response.. it changes how your pedal works.. you could accomplish the exact same thing by pressing your pedal harder. It's a gimmick.
@@mkaney805 you're not understanding how drive by wire works. You push the pedal, and it has to take your information and relay it to the rest of the system, and then by the time it gets there, you might have anyway changed throttle position and it's still playing catch up to your foot. Just pushing harder does not make that communication lag go away, in fact you're going to notice it even more when you slam the pedal and you go nowhere. With this device, when you push the pedal, it is almost instantaneous response, so the car is going when you tell it to go and how fast you're telling it to go. Stop thinking from a power perspective, and think of it as efficient. This does exactly as described and if you drive a car with drive by wire (especially a dodge) you will feel instantly what the hype is about. So remember, not more power, more efficient.
that is exactly what I thought thank you very much
Needed one for my 2017 Toyota Sienna. Throttle feels 50-70% of what I pressed.
You might not be able to get a mini van to feel like a sports car...
It was information any tune or product is better than nothing, and depending on your situation and the person driving in weather towing. Etc. Etc. All depends on your situation. The person using the vehicle from a truck to a car. Adding a pedal command with a tune would help anything to add horsepower or changing the dynamics of the vehicle again. Depends on who is driving and what your purpose is. You seem to know things about the dynamics of the measurements of the photo body measurements. Compared to some people that is informational. Some people don't know that and not saying you're dumb. But there are some people who think that people overlook or don't understand but thank you for your information, anything can help improve a vehicle in different situations. Gas brutal snow sand spends a where you live to.
I believe it does help Performance with offered applications... There's been times where I've had Is huge lag While trying to climb.. This eliminates that lag
Semper Fi
Great vid. Question tho. If the car responds faster due to the PC, functionally it is faster, no? Welcome thoughts. Mine gets delivered next week
I didn't feel it responded any faster. However, theoretically, if it eliminated say a 1/4sec of lag, then your 0-60, 1/4mile etc times should be a 1/4sec faster.
So how is it?
@@shelbythekid1 slower in the quarter mile with the pedal commander, both with a dragby and on the drag strip.
Good info.
So the pedal commander is basically a sport option for those that doesn’t have it?
Good information, I respect everyone opinions. I own 2019 6.2 high country Silverado and a good friend he is a excellent mechanic he advice to install the pedal commander with the K&N sistem and the Corsa sports. I said let's do it, I glad I took he's advice is a huge difference really work. This combination doesn't avoid the warranty and really recommend. 😊🤝👍👏
Thanks for the comment, glad it's working out good you. I guessing that 6.2 with a Corsa sounds pretty awesome!
My problem is on Highway I have to push my pedal forever for it to kick into passing gear would this help me at all? Are these hard on your trucks
Yes, this will push the pedal further for you, thus hitting the passing gear fast. I don't think it's worth $300 when I can just push the pedal down myself for free. But some people do find value in it.
@@SmoknJaysGarage true lol
For turbo vehicles its a must. Gets rid of lag and also keeps you in the correct gear longer reducing dump shifts on uphills
Agreed my dad has a turbo eco diesel and I can say it sucks
I have the 08 HHR SS 2.0 Turbo. Man GM deliberately slowed down that car. Horrible stock tune. Very slow throttle response. So bad that even a Prius can beat it from a stop. Of course it will catch up later. Decided to get the Pedal Commander. What a difference. You touch the gas and its gone.
This is what i realized too. Latency isnt reduced
Does the pedal commander void factory warranties?
It will not void your warranty. It can be unplugged and leaves no trace of ever having been there.
i bought this to do the opposite.. my throttle is too sensitive! i leave an intersection and my truck jumps like im trying to race the guy next to me.. i am just about to go install it and will see how it works.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it after you get it installed.
@@SmoknJaysGarage dude i just did the install and took it for a quick drive and set it to city -3 and WOW! super impressed! no lurching like i am trying to race everyone next to me..lol well worth it!
@@brabak6894 awesome!
Have you had any issues with the check engine light coming on at any time?
I don't use it anymore. But during the time that I did, I never got a check engine or limp mode. I've heard that has been an issue for some people. Just make sure you never adjust a setting on the pedal commander while your pressing the gas pedal. That's what messes it up. I only made adjustments while stopped and at idle, and had no issues.
It’s like taping a 2x4 to your foot and not moving your seat back
That's a pretty accurate analogy.
Actually funny you mentioned that. Had my F250 Tremor for 2 months. First month I forgot about the pedal adjuster and had it adjust forward (closer). Truck was peppy... dropped the pedals back and almost as if there was some lag. More comfortable for my 6'1" but now have to push further so to speak. So analogy proven lol.....
@@SmoknJaysGarage Not really. It has quicker response than you can get with human reaction time.
@@markr3055 not on mine it doesn't. It's actually slower. Both my 0-60 and quarter mile times are consistently slower with the pedal commander, both with the dragy and at the track.
What brand are the floor mats and where did you get them
They are WeatherTech. I got them from the WeatherTech website.
If your opening the throttle faster wouldnt that make your car faster ? 0-60 time and so on .
"If" it actually opened your throttle body faster, then yes.
It doesn't bypass the ECU, so no, it cannot open your throttle body faster.
Could also be a ford thing. I've seen plenty of proof on other vehicles that it works. And I know it works in my SS. Have the track slips to prove
That's possible. However, the pedal commander is not universal fit, it is make and model specific. So if that is the case, it's not on me for owning a Ford. It's on them for making a product specifically for my vehicle that doesn't work on my vehicle.
@@SmoknJaysGarage rousch f150 are already pretty bad ass. Maybe it's already there and the commander is useless
@@robertdawson2195 that's very possible. This is the only vehicle I've ever tested with it.
It works in my RT charger like a mf I got Mexico videos to prove it
I would be interested in it. But $300 is a little much. Assuming it’s a pretty simple device.
Yes its too pricey.
If I had a scat pack or hellcat, it'll make more sense to buy. 💨💨💨
scat packs & hellcats dont have throttle lag in sport mode.. this product is pointless on those cars, this is for guys with squatted trucks on 24s to feel fast
This would be pointless in any real sports car its literally made to make slow cars feel faster
Thanks!
Did it help with fuel efficiency?
No, it made it worse.
I was going to buy it, but after seeing so many comments of people saying it doesn't improve anything I changed my mind.
I don't understand how is possible so may people think it does works and other people think it doesn't 🤔
I think it's the butt dyno. That and people not understand the difference between throttle position and throttle speed.
Called it a novelty product😂🤣
Everything you said in this video is correct; one problem though , at no point do they at Pedal Commander say that it will increase horsepower. This product is to improve response time of the pedal. This is not really meant for a 600 to 800 horsepower car or truck, more for the 100 to 300 horsepower vehicle. Works well with your v6 SUVs and the like. If you bought this wanting more horsepower then you did not do your do diligence, and that is on you not them at Pedal Commander. So if you have a car. truck or suv that you fear can't make it a crossed the street fast enough, then this is for you. If you want to shave time off your 1/4 mile, then you need to bite the bullet and get the tune.
Thanks for your feed back. Everyone keeps saying, "it doesn't add horsepower". I don't recall ever saying that it did or that I expected it to...
I think a tune is definitely going to be the way to go. Lindgren Supercars currently has a car on their dyno, but the truck is next! So stay tuned... we're going to do a tune and a few other things.
You can also just press your pedal harder. it does not improve actual response time. It changes how much your car thinks your pedal is pressed and that is all
Thank you, saved me money, you are the 2nd video I saw about it. In another video the guy actually tests the 0-60 time and concluded with no difference. He did notice it on the MPG's because of the opposite of what it does, which is reduce the throttle opening.
Amor responsive throttle is considered enhancement. If your vehicle responds quicker and more aggressively then without. It is doing something to Change performance. Just cause you’re breaking down how it works doesn’t mean it’s not doing anything.
Good stuff
It’s not going to make your car or truck faster it removes throttle lag that’s all.
It doesn't even do that.. It does not bypass the CPU. The example here that proves the point is that forget about how it changes the response when press the pedal slightly... Just consider what happens if you are stopped, and you absolutely floor the pedal. Is the pedal commander going to change the response at all in that case? No, it is not. Not one bit. It does NOT REMOVE LAG
According to the closed captions it also gives you penile enhancement 😱
Ya.... that wasn't the intention. Guess I need to speak more clearly.
does it also consume more gas?
Does it cause significant harm overtime to my vehicle?
Yes, it consumes more gas. I no longer this product, but while I did, I didn't run into any problem. I've heard a lot people saying it tripped codes or sent their vehicle into limp mode, but I personally didn't experience any of that.
If you read the transcript for this video, youtube thinks its about Penile Enhancement. Just thought that was funny.
Ya...I saw that. Guess I need to speak more clearly.
What kind of exhaust do you have?
Magna Flow.
Can I use this with a tune? I have a piggyback ECU chip
You could, but it would be kinda pointless. I stopped using mine even before I got a new tune. I found my times were actually slower(at the strip and using a dragy) using it than without it.
I have one. On a Ford Raptor. Don't call it a gimmick or
fake. Huge difference from with to without. You can't duplicate what
it does by just pressing the gas pedal harder. It does something. No
doubt. I loved it at first. That being said, I've had it on for 2
years. I started noticing odd shifting, especially down shifting, or not
shifting, at odd times. Like to the point I thought something was
f*cked up. I
took the Pedal Commander off, and my problems are gone. I don't go by
what people "say" ---- I go by what I actually experience, and that is
what I've experienced. Did it start to malfunction? Cause havoc with
ECU even though it's "not supposed to"? No idea. But as of now, I'm
glad it's off.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Do the mpg decrease with this?
If you continue to push the gas pedal like you normally would, then yes, it will definitely decrease your mileage.
Well it does get rid of the delay it supposed to have 370ish hp but it felt like my 91 Silverado just less punchy
It didn't get rid of any delay in mine. If fact, it actually lowered my 0-60 times. But this is the only vehicle I've ever tried it on.
@@SmoknJaysGarage lol you are so wrong here
@@fluidflacka I did multiple test with and without the pedal commander using a dragby and on the drag strip. Every single run was slower with the pedal commander, so no, I am not wrong. But thanks for your comment.
I've watched multiple vids.. were people did text with a actually throttle body setup (outside of the car in controlled investment) and it clearly give a faster response when the pedal commander is on... the throttle body clearly opens faster not farther.. maybe it just dont work for your truck but it aint cool to actually have all these people believing its a gimmick when it does exactly what its intended to do
For roughly the same price, you can have the car tuned to get rid of that throttle lag and gain horsepower as well. This device shouldn't be any higher than 60.00. Also I'm sure someone can whip up a home made device with a dip switch and a couple resisters.
If you can do that I’ll buy it for 60 bucks
Tune is not an option in CA, this doesn’t effect ca law
Even with a tune in a lot of these old common rail diesels already have a lot of throttle lag this technology has its place and obviously it doesn't do that much for his truck but they do a heck of a lot for mine
@@Noice-COW My 2020 civic sport had big lag , not no more . IT WILL LITERALLY SNAP YOUR HEAD BACK , NOT MORE POWER ,JUST NO LAG.
I agree in terms of the price. A bit too high IMO. But yes it does work as advertised with no issue depending on the vehicle, setting and ability to follow instructions.
Doesn't signal go from tb to ecu to injectors? Wouldn't a wider open throttle body mean more fuel being let in. ECU doesn't want to run lean or rich.
I believe the ECU controls the injectors as well, based off of your TB position. Yes, opening the throttle wider will increase the air/fuel flow. But in my opinion, you don't need a $300 add on to do that. You could just press the gass a little further yourself.
I i think the modes for rock crawling might be beneficial. At the moment my GX470 is a bit touchy when I tried to feather the pedal lightly yet get some forward momentum without it lurching forward like I'm ready to blast off to the moon. In those regards, I can see a slower curve being helpful. Faster? Well... afr in theory should be the same as stock.
There is a "eco" mode which is slower than stock.
It’s like with this on you push your normal pedal 1/4 throttle this will tell your pedal to go 1/2 throttle. I can do this with my foot. Good video, thanks.
Thank for watching.
😂 what a scammer I was dying on this one
How have I scammed you? You haven't given me anything of value...if anything you're the one that scammed me.
These are fun mods but too pricey, I'd try it if it was under 100. 300 is just ridiculous!
Definitely not worth $300 in my opinion. But you're right, for $100ish it would be fun to play around with.
So is this basically acting like a trailer gain but for the throttle?
That's a good example. I hadn't thought of it that way.
I got a tune on my truck will it affect the tune ???
This shouldn't have any effect on anything other than throttle placement. Just make sure you never adjust it at anything other than idle. I've quite a lot of stories of vehicles going into limp mode from that.
Exactly, it just compresses the throttle. All the other videos of people thinking there vehicle is faster, its not. Its just there butt dyno.
"Butt dyno" Love it!
@@SmoknJaysGarage There is a programmer for the 98.5-2002 Dodge ram trucks with the Cummins diesel. It claims to add 65HP. While it does add some HP I am sure its main "trick" is to compress the throttle much like this pedal commander and it gives the illusion you gained alot of power, its just an illusion though. Good video pointing out what that thing is actually doing.
Disappointing. I was hoping it reduces throttle response lag, not trick the system into thinking were pressing the gas harder than we actually are. Thanks for this video. Saved myself roughly $400. I can safely say, most of us here want to reduce the lag/response time so that the throttle body opens up in as real time as possible with pressing down on the gas.
just ordered a roarpedal for my 2016 ford taurus
Never heard of roarpedal. Definitely let me know how it works once you get to try it out.
@@SmoknJaysGarage they have youtube vids out on it...seems to have great reviews..$150 for it vs $290 for pedal commander etc...
A lot of people in the comments are confusing what you are actual saying. Your points are valid. Anyone commenting on how he's somehow arguing against the companies claims is clearly not paying attention to what hes talking about or just don't understand how your cars throttling works. Hes not saying he was expecting his truck to go faster lol.. goddam people are dumb
Did he just say “I’ve got twin 160mm throttle bodies.”??? I’m not at all familiar with the Roush Ford truck but DAMN!!!! Guess I’ll be studying a lot on this truck. He says it @ 1:22
I does sound like I said "160", you're right. It actually has twin 60mm, not 160.
Okay that explains it,it’s not worth it
No shit. It doesn’t add horsepower, it just makes your throttle more responsive
No, it doesn't. It does not remove lag or increase throttle "response".
@@mkaney805 you had one and hated it?
Here is a quick video that shows what you already know is happening and that all of these pedal controllers are just very simple variable resistor setups that shortens the overall effective pedal throw in the performance levels and lengthens the pedal throw in the economy modes. ruclips.net/video/CLMGueJIXsk/видео.html
changing the pedal throw is the perfect terminology to describe what this does.. nothing more.
All this is....is a tuner that changes the response time of the electronic system. I spent my career as an engineer in the refining industry and we had the same tuning on our Honeywell control systems. We determined how much to open a valve and how fast the valve opened. If you want a valve to open to 50% you tell it to open 50% of range...with the controller, that opening can occur in 1 sec, 1 min, 1 hour, 1 day.....you get what I am trying to say.
I read about these controllers a lot and was on the fence....but ordered a Pedal Commander for my 2022 4Runner and it should be in this week....my only concern and I just saw an ad for the Pedal Monster by Banks Engineering and it looks like Banks has some fail safe measures built it such that loss of signal will default to stock mode, I have not read about any such a safety back up system built into the Pedal Commander. If someone knows about loss of the controller and what it will do, please post here. I have to say, the Banks product looks real interesting.
So basically it tricking people into thinking their truck is responding better when in fact its only doing what they could be do all along and that is push the peddle down farther and faster, correct?
Do you see any advantages to this at all? If it just controls the position of the throttle body what is with all the selections like ECO and sport? Is it all just a scam?
That is correct. Just push the pedal a little farther on your own and save yourself $300.
The various modes just adjust the throttle body more or less. For example, the ECO mode opens your throttle less instead of more.
You may find an advantage when towing. You could feel like you're driving normal while the pedal commander pushes your gass a little more to accommodate for the extra weight. Still...hard to justify $300. At least to me.
This product and similar products are not a replacement to a tune, you don't get more power, and I don't think they advertisse to do that. If you want more hp/tq, then you ned a tune. These products just remove the accelerator lag present in drive by wire vehicles. From my experience it works, mash the gas with this device and you get off the mark way quicker. My experience anyway.
Did you check how quick the throttle response as opposed to how much the throttle response because there is a marked delay from the time you hit your throttle to the point where the car actually moves there seems to be throttle delay that is the Big challenge
It did slow down my 0-60 times...
Great video , I have a 2013 raptor roush supercharged all stock from the dealer and I was thinking about this product but honestly it's a beast as it is , I think by owning my truck for 5 yrs maybe I just got use to the throttle response and maybe seeking a bit more 🤔
You definitely would be happy with an electronic throttle control you can get one on eBay for 50 bucks guarantee you will be happy with it.. this guy making the video is correct in some way but he doesn't really understand what's going on
There are objective ways to actually measure acceleration. So far, on most videos I've watched where the reviewer is using the onboard 0-60 timer (some vehicles have those) and they average it over multiple runs with and without the device, there is usually a drop in how long it takes to get to 60.
This should make sense because when you're eliminating a delay (such as when the rpm actually hits the target to produce max power) you should have full power sooner (like how electric vehicles have instant torque).
The issue at that point is contact patch grip. Assuming your tires can make use of all the power that's being applied earlier in the launch, the mass of the vehicle should overcome inertia quicker and therefore accelerate quicker.
In my experience the half second less it takes for the ecu to catch up to what i want to do is reflected in getting to 60mph. You can't replicate that with your foot because feet aren't faster than electricity.
If you watched the linked video at the end, I do 0-60 runs with a dragy and compare times with and without the pedal commander.
@@SmoknJaysGarage thank you for pointing out that I didn't communicate effectively.
When I wrote about being faster getting to 60, I was talking about from a roll where you're already moving (such as entering the highway, pulling out from a stop sign and you turned so you wait until you're in the lane to punch the gas, or passing). Yes, I mentioned others using 0-60 timers that were built into their vehicle. I was using those to try to illustrate about registering times, not just pulling out a stopwatch.
As for your 0-60 tests, in my opinion you should do 5 runs without it installed and 5 runs with it installed and see if the average changes, that way the variable of the device is eliminated and you can get a true baseline number.
From what I understand on the topic, the pedal commander is trying to step up voltage in what's a very limited circuit. So, that translates (at least in my vehicle) to my engine, which is a VVT basically treating it like I put a lower grade fuel in when I step on it with a higher level (such as sport+ with +3) and basically making more noise but not actually pushing the car as hard. I don't know enough about your truck to know if that's the case with yours as well. But, if so could help explain part of why you got .3sec or so worse 0-60 times in sport+.
For reference, I have a 2014 ATS 2.0t. It's supposed to take all fuel grades but will reduce valve timing if it gets anything slightly weird to protect the engine. That will reduce power by about 5ish horsepower (in my vehicle per Cadillac).
All in all, cool video, very thorough. After about 2 years of running one, I agree that it's not worth the money even if it's at a $50 discount. In my vehicle at least I can't use the entire range because if I use the upper ends my car tends to throw codes (apparently that has to do with voltage issues based on the fact the PC is trying to draw from a very limited circuit).
The pedal commander just makes your car go faster quicker. That’s literally it. It’s not a turbo upgrade
It's doesn't make it faster top end but it makes take off faster
Lol if your making the throttle response faster, you are making the car faster. If I’m at a light and step on the gas will i move faster off the line with the pedal commander? Or without? I believe I will be quicker off the line with it therefore making me faster with the commander.
This will only increase your throttle position, not the actual speed at which it moves.
Changes your pedal position, it does not make the response faster.
@@mkaney805 LOL I understand it will not add any horsepower to my vehicle. My point is it will get me to point B faster than it would take me to get there without it therefore making me faster. Two exact vehicles, 1 with and 1 without both hit the gas at the exact same time and the 1 with will get off the line quicker and make it to point B faster than the 1 without LOL
So this is a total waste of money bc I can push the pedal farther down to get to the speed I want. I thought this was suppose to eliminate the lag time from idle to what ever position you put the throttle at. No wonder when I rode with my friend it felt like he was just floor boarding it every time he took off.