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The hidden costs of a vegan diet - BBC REEL
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2022
- Veganism has truly taken off - as a lifestyle and as a diet - especially in Europe and the United States.
There has been plenty of discussion around the potential health and environmental benefits of a vegan diet, and the trend shows little sign of slowing down. Some studies predict that by the year 2040, as much as 60 percent of meat eaten globally will be created in labs or made from plant-based products.
But are we ready to make such a radical transition? And what are the hidden costs - socially, economically and environmentally?
Script, camera and edit by Frederick Bernas
Commissioning Editor: Cagney Roberts
Motion graphics by Dan John
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As a vegan I ONLY eat nuts, avocados and cocoa, and it is a known fact that no one else on the planet eats nuts, avocados and cocoa, so big point made there. Excellent reporting by geniuses.
as a vegan, I def don't eat any of the least impactful foods like beans or grains. Nope, I only care about the animals and eating almonds and avocados, too, like you :D
Also vegan and also only eat avocados, nuts and cocoa. We've got to step up the vegan propaganda because these BBC journalists are getting way too close to the truth.
@Nancy Neyedly
This video's a big, stinking pile of (excrement).
Glad that I went vegan, just sorry that it took me so long.
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So you are birds 😂
This made me laugh
I'm legitimately confused at the idea that because some people living in rural parts of Africa and Asia depend on livestock for survival that means that people in the UK can't go vegan. How does that work?
My take on all these crazy 'reasons' not to go vegan: People having to defend a way of eating they never had to even question before. Brain panics and latches on the first thing that make any amount of perceived sense and then the mouth follows by saying it out loud. Crisis averted, no need to feel bad anymore😅
Apparently if you eat a steak here in the UK, that relies on destroying parts of the environment, shipping in animal feed from abroad, releasing loads of methane, we're somehow benefiting the people in foreign countries most at risk of climate change.
@@alexandrodl1371 No one really goes "vegan" in the first place because it is too hard and inconvenient.
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
Answer honestly and you will see I am right.
@@janieswanson2549 Not sure if you're talking to me but I dont think I understand what you mean. Obviously, for most people the answer is: Habit, taste, 'tradition', conve
nience/ trying to feel good about themselves
@@alexandrodl1371 Couldn't answer honestly?
"Not sure if you're talking to me"
The "@Alexandro DL" doesn't give it away?
What more do you need? LOL
You could just tell us your reason for not doing it. Maybe that will clear things up.
I don't think this is particularly balanced argument at all, picking out avocados and Peruvian asparagus are as two examples of high carbon based plant foods is fine but vegans don't just eat these types of foods! It would be better to present statistics on the average environmental footprint of a vegan diet and a carnist's diet, rather than using these just these examples. Also, during the fertilisers section why is there no mention that more UK agricultural land is used for growing crops for animal feed rather than direct human consumption, and this also needs to be touched on when considering rewilding. when talking about water pollution there was no mention on how animal manure contributes to this problem as well.
It's interesting that the debate going on in the Netherlands and Europe is that the animal industry is causing more environmental damage with excess nitrogen and ammonia production than the use of nitrogen based fertilizers for crops. Both needs to be vastly reduced to protect the environment long-term.
@@danielwcrompton, that's right. The environment was destroyed the day Man began to keep livestock for meat, milk, eggs, and fertilizer. Oh... wait....
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Im not even a vegan and appreciate this. Honestly I looked at all the data and decided that poultry is about the most sustainable way to go. So I quit beef, and reduced pork, shrimp and fish. I already didnt consume coffee and have quit caffiene so Im trying to not waste resources on drinks. 🤷
I cannot agree more, this was a poor video. Here in Sweden it is not uncommon to find lamb meet from New Zealand. Excessive transportation is not connected to a vegan diet!
I watch a lot of permaculture videos and try to figure out what is realistic/best for food production. It would be better if areas that have higher water availability produced these over those that don't, that said, one of the interesting things a So Cal producer found that when he added other crops to his avocado production, water usage increased very little. There are several possible reasons for this yet to be explained by soil science, etc, including possible microbial activity that bolsters water efficiencies in avocados when produced this way.
Vilifying nuts is a fruitless endeavor as it is often the way the nuts are grown that is problematic (as with corporatized production of livestock). Polyculturing would protect the ground from carbon/topsoil loss while adding fertility and usefulness.
Add 'planting for water' and another layer has been added to the scheme, as now instead of trying to manage with irrigation, pumping, electrical grid demands, etc we are increasing localization, grid independence, fire and flood mitigation as well as drought and heatwave resiliency.
Adding biome-based crops instead of fighting habitat adds additional layers of pest and weed management, as well as fertility and resilience especially when perennials, vines, shrubs and trees are used as they grow soil carbon continuously whereas annual-based ag loses carbon --it adds layers of food resiliency
Adding livestock-managed farmland is way better than conventional input based ag (organic and synthetic chemical-based, overgrazing/CAFO) as the animals provide weed and pest management as well as adding fertility.
For more elucidation on how (and how to) grow food ethically to benefit people, livestock, wildlife; increase resiliency, localization, empowerment, food choice; reduce grid dependence and centralization opt out of the corporate conglomerate ag model and why it's alternative is a benefit rather than a hindrance to food security, look into Mark Shepard, Brad Lancaster, the Savannah Institute, the Savory Institute, and Walter Jehne...
Look up Andrew Millison, as well.
Plant based folks eat more than just mushrooms and avacado -- at least I do.
I don't even know wtf they are talking about because in the US mushroom farms are outdoors. Also, mushrooms can in theory be grown on waste materials like coffee grounds and compost, they also help other plants grow and are super good for the soil, like what are they even talking about?
No one eats avacado because "avacado" is not a word.
@@janieswanson2549 You're a serial pest and anti-vegan troll.
It said all vegetables not grown in your local area.
You have to have fresh vegetables imported from other countries in the winter if you live in a temperate climate. Just because it's salad instead of mushrooms is immaterial.
It is interesting to see how nobody ever speaks about peolpe that are not on a plant based diet that consume avocado, esparagus, nuts and all these other goods.
The funny thing is, for me, I don't even eat avocados unless Im with certain nonvegan fam or friends who are making the food. like, almonds and avoc is less than 0.0001% of my diet lmao
Focusing on a few outliers is disingenuous. All you have to do is look at environmental impact of the total vegan diet vs the total diet which includes animal products.
Going vegan is the single most effective way for each of us to minimize our environmental footprint. "According to the most comprehensive analysis of farming’s impact on the planet, plant-based food is most effective at combatting climate change. Oxford University researcher Joseph Poore, who led the study, said adopting a vegan diet is “the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth.”
“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”. -Joseph Poore, Environmental Science Researcher, University of Oxford.
Joseph Poore switched to a plant based diet after seeing the results of the study.
Links at my channel under "About."
The fact that they showcase Quorn as vegan when it usually contains egg and milk is indicative of the quality of this research.
About half of their products are vegan tbf
@@welcomeback2mychannelYeah, half, not all of them. So it's still a vegetarian company at the end of the day.
@@welcomeback2mychannel none of it is vegan as they package all products in plastic. And all their processes are net carbon positive, which will harm animals everywhere.
@mas-udal-hassan9277 Don't care. It's for the animals.
This is poor. I’m not even vegan and I was throwing things at the screen. Who on earth was this made for? Many (maybe most) vegans already bear most of these issues in mind as a whole lifestyle, not just in their diet. And we’re not all missing burgers and steaks, hoping for a lab-made alternative. Dreadfully thin research and unbalanced premise.
That's true! I am a vegan and I don't eat almost any asparagus, once a week an avocado. This is not a plausible video.
Your answers seem to be oblivious.
Foods from plants and livestock that are grown in annual-plant-based, monocultured, synthetic chemical-input, bare earth/fallow, long-term irrigation-dependent, and from site-input-intensive species, primarily grain-fed/grain-finished, CAFO, overgrazing-managed food farming is a strategy for failure, as well as their adding lack of needed food diversity.
We need polycropped, site-sensitive, needing-minimal-irrigation-for-their-establishment trees, perennials, vines and shrubs, with continuous living plant cover, that use livestock to manage fertility, pests and weeds, as well as add food security using organic-based methods (with some exceptions).
Somebody who doesn’t benefit from veganism paid a lot to get this made…
All the people that I know on a plant based diet are also conscious about where there food is coming from.
Substandard output here from the BBC, ok can we now please have a video entitled 'The hidden costs of a non-vegan diet'?
They won't do that, because they're populist meatloving imbeciles.
Like...obesity, heart disease, cancer, diabetes and finally all cause mortality?
climate change and pollution?
Only people in rich countries eat vegan. Poor people eat what they can get, including milk, eggs, and ants. Vegetarian sometimes. Vegan never.
@@robinlillian9471 You've obviously never seen the channel Soytheist. You could also search for Arvind Vegan. You have no clue.
Yeah, because I eat grapes from South Africa and avocados from Peru all day long 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah I must go vegan, because I eat factory farmed meat all day long..
@@samgillets6225 If you actually went vegan you'd be making a clear statement that animal cruelty, exploitation and abuse is wrong. I can see that the original poster, as a vegan, holds these values, unlike you.
@@samgillets6225 Some kiddie fiddlers only fiddle with kids on Wednesdays. According to your logic, it would thus be wrong to be against kiddie fiddling. In any case, meat eaters and kiddie fiddlers take advantage of the defenseless.
@@samgillets6225 if you eat meat every day, FAO states that 99% of all meat comes from factory farmed animals. But not your meat, right? your meat only comes from free-roaming, grass-fed, happy-to-die-for-you animals raised on deforested land in the amazon, right? and you would NEVER dare eat at some fast food joint where factory farmed animals is STANDARD. NEVER.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q My logic? I am not the nutcase equating eating an omnivorous diet to child assault. Get professional help.
The reason this is so unpopular is that you made it seem as those are veganism 's problems, when they're in fact a problem in all our food industry. Not just groceries get transported by plane and, while showing a graph of the most water intensive crops, you did show almonds way below than dairy/meat so it would still make sense from a sustainable point of vie to eat only almonds instead of meat.
I'm vegan and ONLY eat avocados and almonds. grains and legumes? what are those? Oh, and what's that? You can ship grains and legumes by sea reducing travel emissions? And you dont even need to store these foods in refrigerators? Like myself, strange BBC has never even heard of this. lmao
Almonds use up a LOT of water and are very destructive to the local environment in California. You would be better off with meat. The U.S. Midwest is also quite dry and agriculture is destroying the water aquifer. It's going to be back to grazing animals for food there sooner or later. Your almonds are not sustainable in North America. Grasslands are.
@@robinlillian9471 You-"agriculture is destroying the water aquifer." Mostly animal agriculture. Besides the huge amount of manure and other animal waste, the fact that about half of grain is fed to farm animals means that the pollution from fertilizers from crops would be greatly reduces with a fully plant based food system.
@mas-udal-hassan9277 maybe, but it sure won't hurt the planet like continuing to eat animals will.
This is a big miss by the BBC. Bad journalism adding to the general confusion on environmental issues.
Agreed. Regenerative farming is key to soil health and carnivore diets are species appropriate for humans. Plant food should only be consumed in season and not shipped around the planet. We don't have multiple stomachs and our gut acidity is 1.5-2 which is ideal to digest meat. The plant based agenda and climate crisis are tools the WEF and mega corps are using to control the sheeple.
@Aaron Mau-Schank
Vegans are easy to demonise… like Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, the EU, people in dinghies… &c. &c.
It sells copy.
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You know youve done a bit of shoddy journalism when even the comment section vegans sound reasonable. BBCs own charts and statistics have shown beef to be the worst offender which convinced me to give up beef. And showed that coffee, tea and chocolate are also not great, which helped convince me to give up caffiene. 🤷 Shame on BBC for doing a targetted clickbait hit piece instead of an honest appraisal of the evironmental impacts of western agriculture.
"even the comment section vegans sound reasonable"
Huh, have you heard many of the justifications animal eaters use to defend the practice of eating animals? Do you believe the "we need to consume cholesterol", "all cavemen ate animals", "carbs cause obesity and diabetes", "plants feel pain too", "Hitler was a vegetarian", "lions eat animals" ... arguments are based on true premises with sound logic. Abstention from eating animal foods is what logical and disciplined people do after careful consideration of the issues. Many people who eat animals are doing so for specious reasons.
Why just beef? The other meats are terrible for the environment as well. Not to mention the ethics behind keeping the animals in little boxes for their whole lives
vegans have always been more logical than flesh eaters
@@unwono Beef is DRAMATICALLY worse than pork or chicken for CO2. Chicken is not even remotely close and has a lower impact than farmed fish and shrimp. Seafood in general is not at all sustainable IMO so I try to not eat that either. That is the reasonable decision Ive come to based on evidence and not emotion. If you want to get into emotional reactions, I have a deep empathy for plants and trees and feel that a vegan diet is just as brutal and murderous as an omnivorous diet.
@@patreekotime4578 If you have a deep empathy for plants and trees you'll be delighted to know that vegan diets cause ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE fewer plant and tree deaths. This is because filtering plants through animals is very costly and inefficient.
People often forgot to mention that eating wide varieties of grain and fermented products with varieties of beans produce are the center point of being a vegan.
The classic rice and beans.
What're your main sources of fermented stuffs? I'm started to look into it but am a bit lost
@@holdenmcgroin3995 You can learn to make Kimchi, sauerkraut, kombucha, keffir etc from the internet! If you look them on RUclips they're pretty easy to get into.
You're confusing the adjective with the noun.
There is a difference between being something and being on a diet.
why would i eat rabbit food and supplements when chickens, turkeys, fish, pigs, nnd basically the marjory of animals eat meat. lol. vegans are truly in a cult. 🤣🤣
barely any mention of ethics, because it's something that mainstream media doesn't have an argument against. They can make these wishy washy videos making veganism seem about the environment but it's still infuriating to see an ethical issue being misrepresented as an environmental one that's "inconceivable" to get rid of because 'jobs'
True.
Ethics? only stupid ppl would eat unhealthy rabbit food and eat supplements, when the vast amount of other animals eat meat. vegans are a bunch of clowns.🤡 "let me eat unhealthy vegan food, because some other malnurished clown told me eating meat is evil"! 🤣🤣🤣🤡
I agree. This video blatantly promotes animal cruelty. Sad.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q Because making farm animals extinct isn't animal cruelty.
@@robinlillian9471 Your attempted argument is flawed on a number of levels. To start with, farm animals are bred into existence. Secondly, they're not endangered, and even if the world went vegan overnight, there'd be plenty left, and they'd be able to live their lives the way they see fit (at least not being eaten). Thirdly, stop trolling vegans with comments in which you stick up for animals, when you don't actually stick up for animals at all anyway. You're being duplicitous, attempting to call out hypocrisy, when you're the true hypocrite.
Let's not forget that more than 60% of the crops are to feed animals
Not in poor countries. They feed the animals grass and hay. Humans can't eat that. That's the point of raising animals. They eat food humans can't, and produce food for humans from it.
@@robinlillian9471 You're right! Animals should exist on a balanced planet, but now there is too much demand and it is not sustainable, there are so many animals that you need to grow crops just for them (in example, more than 92% of Amazon soybeans is just to feed animals)
And lets not forget that 2/3rds of agricultural land is to steep, rocky, poor to grow anything other than grass. And that as the Savory institute has shown holistic rotational grazing improves biodiverstity and reverses destertification.
nonsence numbers but let's not forget that 70% of almonds are shell, so yes, 70% of almond crops are fed to cows. If you want to eat the shells instead of the cows doing so, feel free! Same with soybeans, they're only grown for oil, which is only 18% of the bean, so the rest is fed to livestock to dispose of the waste so rats can't, 2% of corn plants are corn cobs, 1% of wheat plants are wheat grains & on & on.
In short, the FAO studied this topic & found 84% of livestock feed is inedible to humans! Stop blaming the livestock for eating your crop waste! If you refuse to eat it, of course it will be fed to livestock! Eat it yourself if you don't want that to happen!
@@mehere8038 I mean crops that you can eat too, not the inedible parts, but thanks for your elaborate answer, it's very kind considering how difficult it is to defend a position that supports the death of animals. Thanks again! ❤
How about pointing out the footprint between dairy and plant milks? (which the BBC itself has published articles on). Even almond milk which is arguably the worst is better than dairy.
Or the amount of space utilised by animal agriculture and plants grown for feed worldwide? Or the calories wasted to feed an animal and make relevant produce, instead of just eating plants?
I eat the exact same as I did before but with lentils/beans/tofu for protein, and plant milks instead of dairy. You don't need expensive mock meats or cheeses, which with supermarket brands now aren't even an issue cost wise to include some in your diet. The soy milk I buy is cheaper than dairy.
Abusing animals is cringe and I wouldn't do it even if it were cheaper, which it's not.
Veganism is an ethical choice above everything, interesting you didn't explore that on top of getting everything else wrong.
100%! The environmental cost of dairy milk is SO much higher than ANY plant milk. Totally agree with everything else you stated in this comment also. I've always noticed that say the cost of tofu is way lower than the same amount of beef gram for gram for instance. This idea that eating plant based is so expensive is a myth.
Didn't knew that eating fruit/cocoa/avocados from far away places or eating mushrooms were a vegan thing 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ if so then vegans are the majority 😂
@Vasco Tavares
We live in hope.
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have fun eating your unhealthy rabbit feed. F-ing clowns. 🤡
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@@PercivalBlakeney are you drunk, because you make no sense. you definitely must be vegan. another reminder of why i will never go vegan, cause the vegans brains seem to function work. seek psychological help, or eat meat.
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There is no mention of where the food for cattle comes from, most of it is flown in from the Amazon.
Depends where you live
lol no it's not!
human slavery employed loads of people, doubt you'd argue that that would be "inconceivable" to get rid of.
@manfred earl
Not just me made that connection then.
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Very good point. Carnist "logic" is the work of mental contortionists
Then what do you do with the farm animals? Kill them all? Let them out to either die or be invasive? It insults the descendants of African slaves to compare them to farm animals, too.
@@robinlillian9471
You have it the wrong way round, Robin.
It's the cruelty and indifference to the suffering of others that gives the abattoirs and the cotton fields their similarity.
"Auschwitz begins when someone looks at an abattoir and says,
«It's alright, they're only animals.»"
- Theodore Adorno.
Whilst we're doing it to the animals, we'll continue to do it to each other.
I love how they conveniently left out how far livestock has to travel to the slaughterhouse and then back out for distribution. Not to mention any exports. New Zealand is one of the largest dairy exporters in the world. They also fail to recognize that currently, the vegan population sits at 2% (per Our World in Data - even though is pi$$es Janie off 😂). The vast majority of avocados and nuts are being consumed by omnivores. That won't change. Multiple studies have shown we could feed the world on a quarter of the land on a plant based food system - we currently need to grow a lot of crops, and use a lot of nitrogen, to feed the animals.
You had me until you lied about the "vegan" population. 0% is not 1%.
@@janieswanson2549 Actually, I went with the more conservative number listed on The Vegan Society website. Our World in Data says 2%. You're more than welcome to challenge their data. I honestly don't really care that I don't have the approval of some rando on RUclips...
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Since the all of the surveys have been online it proves that everyone who said they were, actually aren't.
Animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon are the industry standard in processor manufacturing.
So really the survey just proves that up to 2% of people derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
Cool story though.
@@janieswanson2549 Again Janie, you're more than welcome to argue them on their data. Have at er. Let me know when you change their mind. ✌️
@@janieswanson2549 Fixed it! 😈
Veganism is not a diet! Its a moral phiosiphy which extends to diet. Its a lifestyle that seeks to reduce harm to animals. Confused people calling it a diet makes it cheaper and waters down the whole movement. Read the definition of veganism from the vegan society.
i literally can eat meat and cause less harms to anials and insects than vegans. veganism is a diet, and an unhealthy diet
Farm animals need people to care for them and are no longer able to survive in the wild. Killing them all or preventing them from being born is not reducing harm to them.
This is really a hit and a miss! This diet within a for-profit, highly mechanized, capitalistic structure is the issue. It is not the ingredients, it is the same systems the products plug into, which have a multiplicity of long term harm!
The vegan society defines veganism as such: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose [...]. This means, that if people in developing countries do not have access to a 100% plant-based diet but people are trying their very best to exclude animal exploitation it is - by definition - still conforming to veganism.
As long as they avoid animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid, which they don't.
No one avoids them if they interfere with entertainment and convenience.
@@janieswanson2549 in some developing countries farming and fishing is crucial for survival for certain groups of people. But still they can live conforming to veganism. Because even veganism is anthropocentric. Human survival comes always first
@@remofischer2352 Entertainment and convenience are possible and practicable to avoid.
Like I said and you ignored, no one avoids them if they interfere with entertainment and convenience.
no one cares. chickens, pigs, fish, turkey, and most other animals on earth eat meat. only a truly stupid person would join a cult to eat unhealthy rabbit food, rather than nutritious meat. what a bunch of brainwashed clowns. i will stick to my steak, while you continue to eat like a fairy, and live a shorter live. jave fun eating your pharmaceutical drugs, sheep. 🤣🤣
You're exactly right, and if the BBC had done an ounce of research they would have known this.
Today I woke up and chose violence, so here are my counterarguments to each:
1. Very cheeky of you to chose the most polluting foods against meat. 🥑vs 🥩
Yes, avocados do require a lot of water and ripen fast.
But let's compare for realsies: just going vegetarian cuts your footprint in half (combining many foods cause believeitornot, we don't just eat avocados).
2. Eating locally is the real deal? lol 🐄💨
Transport contributes to less than 10% of carbon emissions
While land use & farming is more than 80% (with our shining star: meat)
So eating local barely does anything compared to cutting out meat.
Oh, and also, I forgot that meat gets teleported, so obvs we shouldn't count it's transportation.
3. Vegan problem or any-diet-nowadays problem? 🥙
Fertilizers ARE a problem.
But guess what? Cows don't eat air :o
In fact, they eat a loooot more than we do.
Just to put into perspective how much is taken by meat: going vegan would reduce global land use by 75%
4. C'mon, don't scare people with 3D printed meat. 👻
Entire cultures sustain on cereals, legumes, nuts, vegetables and fruits.
It's like I was talking about meat and showed brains.
5. Worried for the employees? my🍑
If you really care about them, how about you look into their welfare and how affected they are by slaugh tering everyday.
6. "Part of the economy" Yes, so is war
I've never bought an avocado in my life.
I also eat vegan meat substitutes in less than 10% of my meals. It's all about beans, lentils, seeds, nuts and peas.
Vegan btw.
You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
You're not a "vegan" so this isn't referring to you.
I'm heavily plant based and I hate most tree nuts (peanuts are more environmentally friendly as they are legumes and I do love those) and refuse to eat avocado due to texture. I occasionally eat some candied pecans or walnuts. I eat frozen fruit and vegetables mainly, when available I get veggies locally. I don't eat exotic stuff and typically eat in season produce which is not only cheaper but less likely to be flown in from God knows where. But my main diet is legumes and grains. I drink soy and oat milk which is low impact and more importantly- CHEAP. homemade oat milk is literally maybe 2¢ a serving and I can buy soy and oat milk at the store for cheaper than dairy milk now. A meal thats meat free is typically 1/2 the cost. Homemade Bread and a vegetarian lentil soup? Super cheap, healthy and good for the environment. As for meat replacements, I typically eat tofu or soycurls. Both are cheap and low impact environmentally. Occasionally I'll splurge with an imitation burger or nuggets.
So many aspects are missing or not appropriately represented: the costs for medical treatments will be lowered, as animal products seem to increase the risks for all kinds of diseases. Specifically for weight loss, it's an ideal diet because you will eat more protein, more fiber and less fat.
Going whole food plant based is better than choosing the substitutes for meat. They're usually far too salty and can lead to a rather unhealthy diet if those substitutes are consumed regularly (at least those substitutes currently on the market).
You can pick avocados in the Dominican Republic, use the nature's rain and don't have a "waste" of water at all. Yes, it still is a long way for transportation, but other countries are already following up around Europe to grow avocados. That will further lower the footprint.
You can feed more people with plants than with meat. If the tribes had more access to agricultural lands, they would use that land over the meat production. Through climate change, this becomes less likely in the future and I have my doubts, that the cattle will survive eventually. An alternative is needed.
The problem comes from conventional ag (both synthetic chemical and organic) that fails to produce food holistically.
Mark Shepard shows you can avoid an annual, monocropped, synthetic-chemical-based ag model in favor of one that is based on the local biome as a model for what grows best; that is managed by livestock to control pests, weeds and add fertility; adds nutrition to the meat produced; reduces independence on the grid, including fuel, chemical inputs, electricity, irrigation and related costs, improves localization; adds layers of resiliency; reduces pollution; builds soil carbon, sequesters carbon rather than losing it (the opposite of what occurs with conventional organic and chemical ag); produces more calories and nutrition for people than conventional ag; etc.
You are also ignoring that much of the land is unsuitable for the cultivation of veggies, fruits and nuts and grains...
Please don't demonize fat. It is not so much that we need to eat less fat as we need to eat better fats: olive or grape seed oil, nuts, seeds, etc.
@@ruthdepew7212 I don't demonize it. Fat has the highest energy density. Eating it as whole foods is the best form, as not all contained fat can be absorbed. With oil, I would be a bit more careful on how much to use for cooking.
You argued your points very well. Unfortunately, some people who have replied have been very selective when replying to your excellent comment. Thanks for everything that you do.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q
'Seems' is the operative word. A lot of things 'seem' good for you but the reality is different. Meat that is finished on a 'weedy' (diverse) pasture has higher incidence of polyphenols, omega-3s, the fat profile is similar to olive oil, etc --compared to animals raised on grains, or straight grass pasture, etc. Meat is a necessary component for most people to thrive. We need cholesterol for cell integrity, for another reason.
The problem with our diets today is the lack of foods raised upin a holistic way. Synthetic chemical input and/or organic, monocultured, annual-based (this includes how the livestock are managed) vegan, carnivore or omnivore diets can only do so much to enhance health because the systems used to produce them are inherently flawed, as well as unsustainable.
What you put into your food, and how it's raised is a large determiner of your well-being..
I wish I could unsee this video, and I'm not even vegan. I am stunned by the lack of research and information.
In Asian food culture, we use and have got many edible plants, nuts, fruits and and leaves than in the Europe and north Americas. It is in our food culture to consume more plants than meat. Sea food and meat are luxuries made available to everyone very recently.
Plants are cheaper than store brought products, it’s easy to say that rural parts of world can’t have access to store brought products but that’s also implies anything accessible in stores- cars, fancy clothes , frozen burgers and many more.
Bottom line- eat clean & non animal based and stay healthy all over the world!
Store-bought products aren't made from plants? Didn't you know your Beyond Meat burgers are made from beans, which are from plants? Typical absurdity of someone who has lived in a city all your life and has no idea where food comes from. People in poor, rural areas don't buy food in the store. They raise animals and grow crops. Then they sell what they don't eat for money.
Your point of view is a bit naive, I'm sorry to say. (And to be clear, I am vegan.) Some parts of the world can't even grow plants to eat and have, since their earliest days, relied on hunting to sustain themselves. Of course, middle-class Westerners shouldn't be using this as a rationalization for their own diet, but your implication that a vegan diet is viable 'all over the world' is simply incorrect.
For example, in the northernmost regions of Canada, the cost of 'normal' food from the grocery store is absurd, as everything is flown in by air or brought up by sea barge or on a winter ice road over lakes and whatnot (because no permanent roads or other infrastructure exist connecting these places to agricultural heartlands). Where folks in southern Canada would pay 3-4 dollars for a jug of juice, the same product there is over 10 dollars. So not only could these people not afford to be vegan, but they couldn't even afford to live exclusively off of meat and dairy bought from the store. Hunting is simply necessary for them, as it always has been.
But yes, for the rest of us, hunting and funding animal agriculture is a choice.
Being vegan has NOTHING to do with international transport of any food stuffs! Use of fertilizer is also a good point. BUT IT HAS NOETHING TO DO WITH VEGANISM!!!! And a vegan does not need to eat fake meat!! Most of us watching this are from the high income world, so the point about low income countries is IRRELEVANT! That eating less meat is good, does not mean than being vegan is bad! It's even better. Typically watered-down BBC of today: giving you a feeling like they've made a point, when they haven't. BBC what have the Tories done to you? Emasculation. Very sad.
It is a horrible point because vegan sources of protein like soybeans and lentils are NITROGEN FIXING PLANTS!!! They naturally add nitrogen back into the soil and REDUCE the need for nitrogen fertilizer!!!
It does have to do with international transport of foodstuffs. There are reasons veganism has only really been a viable option (for some) for the last 40-50 years. One of the reasons? If you're in the northern hemisphere, you won't get many fruits and vegetables in the winter (several months of the year!) Without importing it from abroad.
This also didn't say veganism was bad, just that it's not a viable option for everyone, and so we need to consider more sustainable ways of doing agriculture as a whole, even animal agriculture. It's never going to go away, but it can be done on smaller scales, more ethically, if people continue to trend to eating fewer animal products.
Hi Prof. Bhavani, what does rural parts of the world have to do with people going vegan in the westren world? Vegans dont expect these small populations to change, they expect the consumer shopping in the supermarket chain to stop contributing to factory farming of billions of animals which is a large contributor to the demise of the rural people's way of life. Deforestation, droughts, floods, and devastating weather only gets worse with bringing more lifestock into existence.
Feels like an animal-agriculture sponsored piece designed to sow doubt.
Any animal product consume more resources, is mathematics and research, period.
This video is ridiculous. This should be a side topic in a video why you should be vegan.
People who want to easily skip over veganism can "weaponize" videos like these for their non-factual statements
It is 100% important to note these things, in veganism itself there's obviously good and bad options.
Again though, this shouldn't have a video dedicated to it since people who wanna completely discard veganism will use this as "complete facts".
The farming jobs bit is literally one sided. Those animals that are being fed right now, they won't even be able to be fed when climate change hits big time. Why not mention that?
What are these statements even based on, list your sources. The video doesn't seem well researched at all.
Sort of like you do for your agenda? It is better to have all around honesty than to have agenda be a driver because agenda precludes any contradictory data even before it is analyzed by the community 'for fear of weaponization.'
The truth is not all land is suitable for cultivation, whereas imuch of it is suitable for grazing.
Non cultivate-able land that is holistically managed with grazing is much more productive than by trying to make it cultivate-able.
How about instead trying to model the crops we grow on local biomes instead of trying to manipulate them into what they are not.
In the Amazon use food forests where livestock is used to manage pests, weeds and add fertility as food-producing perennials, vines, shrubs and trees establish, In the Midwest resrablish savannahs and forests using a similar model, elsewhere, be site-appropriate as well.
Let's be holistic in our approach instead of trying to falsely claim veganism and continued bad ag practices are the only way. With bad ag practices you are carrying the water for the corporate conglomerate agenda, including centralization, serfdom, (serfs were disallowed access to animal proteins as well) etc.
And the biggest point? That holistically raised animals, ones that rely on polyculture grazing year round with zero grain-finish8ng are much healthier than those that are fed on the CAFO/overgrazing/corporate conglomerate/global elitist ag model...
@@b_uppy You have the superior intellect of a meat eater...carnivore is the way!
@@johnmartinsen963
Meat can be very good for you, and livestock can live happy, healthy lives if you use better systems.
@John Martinsen
Meat can be very good for you, and livestock can live happy, healthy lives if you use better systems.
I'm a big follower of Mark Shepard, the Savannah Institute, the Savory Institute, Brad Lancaster and Walter Jehne.
@@b_uppy Amen. The cows in my neighborhood here in Hawaii have a spectacular view and the ocean breeze keeps the temperatures very comfortable. They live better than most people and don't have any idea what the term suffering means. I can't imagine eating a nutrient deficient vegan diet or the fortified fake processed garbage they eat because they crave meat (nutrients). It's shocking that they think animals don't suffer to raise crops with all the pesticides, insecticides and fertilizers replacing the creatures that God created to do the work.
Better for your health, the environment, the animals, your hip pocket and significantly reduces the chance of another pandemic. AND plant based eating is not only super easy but absolutely delicious! There literally isn't anything to give up!
I love Joaquin Phoenix's reply to the usual vegan-haters rhetoric: “We are all hypocrites in some ways. We all struggle with what the right thing to do is and we make mistakes."
Personally I don't believe any vegan pretends that they being on this earth doesn't cause inadvertent suffering but we are really trying to lessen it...and a first good step is not being party to the intensive farming industry that breed, fatten and slaughter 70 BILLION animals a year. (In the UK that is a whopping ONE BILLION animals bred, fattened and slaughtered).
Then there are our seas and oceans being decimated by hoovering up TRILLIONS of fishes, to not only feed us humans but our farmed animals and farmed fish.
As a vegan - for the last 40 years - of course I care about all animals, that animals die for plant crops too....the fact remains though that HALF of all that grain growing in UK fields is going to feed livestock. The conversion rate is poor: it takes 7kg of grain to produce 1kg of beef, 2kg of grain to produce 1kg of chicken meat.
World wide the poor go hungry because a THIRD of the world's grain that should feed people is being usurped to feed livestock. The poor unable to pay the price that grain now is because the rich feed it to livestock.
Go vegan - what's not to like?
Re the Rain Forests burning
The sheer madness - besides the callousness, the disregard for the people and animals who live/d here - is that this is being done to supply us, the rich with beef. With soya to feed our cattle. And leather to make all those bags, shoes, belts and even couches/sofas that we demand.
Put simply, millions of indigenous animals will die so a non indigenous animal - cattle - will, quite literally, be grown as a 'crop' to be 'harvested' as a 'product' to sell to those who can afford to buy the beef, the soya to feed intensively farmed cattle, pigs and poultry, and leather goods.
As I say sheer madness.
It is like a tap running and overflowing on the floor. It really does not help by mopping the floor if you don’t turn off the tap.
The stock footage is unreal 😂
I lived in India most of my life which is still a developing and a poor country and we ate meat seldomly because meat was expensive. Meat was never an important part of our diet or nutritional source. I don't know what the mean that poor countries rely on meat. It doesn't make any sense.
I very rarely eat 'fake meat' and alot of the veggies I buy are grown here in Aus. Do people legitimately not know what Vegans eat? Plus we are such a small percentage of the population, why are we being blamed? Meat eaters eat imported vegetables too.
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Go to your local slaughterhouse and ask the manager if you can take some pictures-then you’ll find out who’s really hiding information from the public.
Answer this simple fact based question.
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
It's okay, I know you won't answer factually and honestly. I just want anyone reading to see you don't practice what you preach.
You won't answer this question just like federal law prevents someone from photographing.
I don’t use animal products needlessly for my entertainment, Janie. You’re projecting, Janie. Don’t ask vegans dumb questions, Janie.
@@bobsmith3931 "I don’t use animal products needlessly for my entertainment"
Remember you said that.
YT is an entertainment platform made with animal products.
Animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon are the industry standard in processor manufacturing.
Making comments here is needless and proves you don't practice what you preach.
Try again. Answer the simple fact based question.
@@janieswanson2549so the question is: why do you have a processor? In which case there are many reasons to have a processor without the desire for pure entertainment, although we should work on making them vegan
I grew up vegetarian and we didn't have fake meat in the stores that I remember. I still don't eat it. If it's environmental it'd seem the advice would be to eat insects instead of meat and eat beans instead of fake meat.
They show heavily processed, branded, mock-meat convenience foods. That's meat replacement rather than veganism. My chunky farmhouse veg soup for lunch with home-baked bread, and pasta with a tomato and tofu (European and organic Tofu from Lidl) sauce for supper tonight, all cooked from scratch, was healthier, way cheaper, more environmentally friendly and obviously much kinder than any alternative with meat and dairy ingredients. For something sweet it was a banana with my cereal for breakfast, an apple after lunch and sticky flapjack after supper. And, is it only vegans who ever consume avocados and almonds? We hear all of this anti-vegan nonsense a lot. It seems that some reporters might be in the debt of "big meat" and "big dairy" as those industries are heavily funding a fight-back. I can't think of any other explanation for this rubbish.
The basis of a vegan diet is beans and grains which are the cheapest foods available, and those are eaten directly rather than wasted on feeding mass quantities to farm animals instead. Why are you showing all of these packaged foods as if that’s what vegans are mainly eating?
I've been reading about phytates and I found ironic that when you search for phytase here on YT, it's usually in relation to treating grains for livestock consumption. I can't seem to find one that show it being used for stuff we humans eat.
Phytates is another term for phytic acid which is a compound in plant foods that interferes with mineral and nutrient absorption. Lectins, oxalates and gluten are other anti nutrients found in plant foods that cause significant problems for humans when consumed.
@@johnmartinsen963 okay nice theory with all the biochemistry and plants chemicals
If I'm a scientists and I would think hmm "what is the use of a theory, can I just put it to the test to see if it can hold up?"
OK so what's are we doing, yeah Let's look at the human outcome data of those eating these stuff.
oh we found they live longer, healthier, less carbon footprint
The theory is so busted
lectin? idk maybe cooking the beans before eating?
oxalate? maybe not eating spinach 7 times a week and remember to cook them a bit so oxalate can leak out? and since we have data eating 2-3 serving per week is good good for health outcome...ugh maybe we should eat more of spinach and other oxalate food???
Gluten? cmon u can't be serious. This is a joke right? Approximately one or 0.5 percent of the adult population is affected worldwide. In addition, non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) is becoming increasingly important in the western world, the researchers explained.
yeah that seems like a LOT to worry about compare to heart diseases, cancers and diabetes, obesity....ect
when will this clownery stop?
@@lenguyenngoc479 listen to you silly shill...who's your daddy? Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates??? The fact that the mega corps and pharma want us on plant based should be a flaming red flag to anyone with a brain. I ain't gunna believe the WEF, WHO, ADA or you the noisy sheeple princess.
@@johnmartinsen963 yeah next time u get any disease don't be a desperate loser and buy their drugs then. They will just scam you and deliver no result with their products.
Oh and remember not to vaccinate or don't use anti-vevom when u get bitten by a venomous snake. Or don't do chemotherapy when having cancers to name a few.
the hypocrisy is so real lmao 🤡🚮
And the WHO, yeah yeah don't listen to them either. They say we should cut our salt intake by half. How dare they right?
salt just makes everything taste better 😋
and they classified processed meat as group 1 carcinogen the same as cigarettes. How dare they 🙂 after all there are anti-elitest still make love with their bacon and hot dog every single day.
How dare they do that, this must be a conspiracy against bacon companies♿
@@lenguyenngoc479 Take their blue pills princess sheeple...I'm not afraid of salt and no snakes where I live. People don't die from cancer, just the treatments. I don't need a jab to be disease free because my natural immunity is fine on the ancestral foods I consume. How do you stand up after being on your knees all day for your overlords?
This video seems to be blaming vegans and a vegan diet for problems that the whole population causes. Vegans only make up a few percent of the UK population, and most of the imported asparagus, grapes and avocados are consumed by meat-eaters. Meat-eaters also consume mushrooms and cocoa, not just vegans.
Fertilizer pollution is a major environmental problem, but this is a problem not only caused by a vegan diet. What do you think farmed animals eat? For one kg of beef, 25 kg of plant food needs to be fed to a cow (from Our World in Data). We could dramatically REDUCE the amount of plants grown and hence fertilizer pollution if we didn’t have to feed the 70 billion farmed animals on the planet. Also there was nothing about the environmental problems caused by runoff from animal farms - this is a major contributor to the pollution of our rivers and coasts.
The argument that because some people in the developing world need a few animals to survive somehow makes all meat farming acceptable is simply illogical. Intensive factory farming of animals and the environmental damage it causes will make life worse for all of us, especially for those in the developing world. Yes, so organic meat may be slightly better for the environment, but it can never meet demand. It will always be a niche product for affluent people.
Overall, this is a disappointing video and the BBC shouldn’t be peddling these false narratives.
Nah, it seems to be debunking claims made by people pushing "veganism."
None of these farming and distribution issues are confined to vegans though. Seafood for example travels very long distances. Doth not the carnivore also shop at the supermarket? Conversely a lot of us don't buy our veg from supermarkets but produce markets where local seasonal food is easier to come by. Or we grow it.
I have not eaten meat for over 35 years, during the pandemic I lost the taste for fish and eggs for some reason, but I cannot see myself giving up cheese, though I do eat much less than I used to.
If people wish to eat meat that is their choice, but I do not understand why meat eaters feel threatened if I mention that I do not eat it. Similarly, I do not understand why vegans are generally so smug about their diet. Neither diet will solve all of the problems of food production. Each has issues.
I also do not understand so-called meat alternatives. Why call a plant based product "chicken" or "ham"? Those I have tried are nothing like meat. I used to use some of them, but began to question why I was using second rate substitutes when there was no need, and not only do I not eat meat, but I rarely eat fake meat either (unfortunately thare are some very good plant based foods made of rice that insist on calling themselves, for example, fish-less goujons, instead of rice goujons).
This video was somewhat one sided, choosing to focus on asparagus and avocado, and not mentioning, for example, beef, which is also transported around the world. It refers to fertiliser use in growing crops, yet ignores the vast quantities of animal feed also grown using fertisers, and the pollution caused by the use of drugs to maintain the health of livestock.
I doubt that many vegans were surprised by the so-called hidden costs. Vegetarians and vegans tend to focus more on their food, so are aware of issues. I also suspect that the majority of meat eaters choose to ignore issues with production.
This is most definitely a subpar video from the BBC, more evidence that they are less and less impartial as time goes by. I'd have been more impressed with a video on the hidden costs of food production in general.
@@Osc1llateW1ldly No one on YT is against animal cruelty.
lol. we shop at the same places vegans shop at. we know full how expensive and unhealthy a vegan diet is. these vegans clowns are not fooling anyone. they are visible unhealthy, and their food is completely gross. 🤢🤮. i will stick to healthy and nutritious meat.
Meat eaters feel threatened by those who don’t eat it because they’ve grown up in a society that holds two conflicting world views simultaneously-1.) that we NEED meat to survive and 2.) animal cruelty is wrong. Thus, if theres no need to eat meat, they’re causing harm to animals for no good reason.
@@bobsmith3931 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
I know you won't answer factually and honestly. I just want anyone reading to see you don't practice what you preach.
@@Osc1llateW1ldly And yet you use animal products from the same animals that normal people eat.
Claiming to be against it while partaking in the same industry makes you a walking reminder that people push feelings over facts.
I feel like, as with any diet, you need to plan the diet properly. If you are eating Oreos and fries, and other vegan junk food, you will run into problems. Whole Foods are the key.
Food, clothing, transportation and entertainment that doesn't exploit, abuse and murder animals is the key.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q "murder" is illegal and uniquely human.
You're using the "appeal to emotion" logical fallacy to push your religion.
Now go ahead and name call me since that's your only argument.
Im from Colombia... 8 years as vegan and loving it every minute... we don't need any animal products to survive... I think the use of land by animal agriculture is one of the cancers of our planet. Eating plants is really a solution, not eating junk vegan food...
you will get sick eventually and have to eat meat. dont get mad when you have destroyed your body.
@@GarudaLegends this is total bull you certainly don't need meat to survive
@@costas91 the oldest ppl who lived on earth ate meat. You can eat your rabbit food and supplements from big pharmaceutical all you want. I literally don't care if you un-survive young
Vegan meats and Lab Grown meats can only substitute boneless meat NOT boney meats of various animals.
Thank god.
it is also unhealthy amd gross. i will jist stick to meat. super healthy and delicious.
Riiiight. Lab meat grown under sterile conditions is wayyyy more gross than traditional meat from bacteria infested slaughterhouses strewn with blood, guts, vomit, urine and god knows what else. You’re so smart.
@@bobsmith3931 the thing is, it is not meat. you are just stupid.
@@GarudaLegendswhat is the evidence that meat is healthy?
I was asked by a California neighbor here in Texas not to cookout anymore cuz it was making them sick to smell meat cooking. I said Sure no problem. So the next day I went and bought the biggest brisket I could find and smoked it all day and half a night. I'm sure RUclips will take down my comment and call it harassment
Did you have any funding from the animal agriculture industry to be able to produce this very biased BBC short?
Pathetic that BBC thought this was necessary to make. How about growing a backbone and showing clearly the food processing of Dairy and Eggs?
5:40 "Veganism is an option that we're lucky to have" That's straight up false. The poorest people in the world don't eat meat because they can't afford it. It turns out that meat is expensive (you even admit it 4:45). But no mention of the huge meat industry government subsidies ofc.
This video does not deliver what the caption promises.
I am for a more plant based diet and more locally sourced foods, but I am against highly processed foods which includes all fake meat, much of which is quite unhealthy. I rather enjoy tofu which is rather minimally processed and can be flavored in one's own kitchen. Eating naturally should not include eating fake anything.
A lot of fake meats are actually some mixture of tofu and seitan! You can even make these foods at home!
Indeed, since when MUST one eat junkfood designed to have the taste and texture of animal body parts if one doesn't eat animal body parts? I suppose the critical thinkers at the BBC haven't got to that issue yet. Perhaps they will in a few years.
@@HopyHop1 Not all vegans are super health conscious. They don't mind a burger every now and then
@@LorcaLoca
Indeed, I don't mind a vegan junkfood like vegetable dumplings, vegan burgers, potato chips, beer ... every now and then, but no one MUST eat these foods if they don't eat animal body parts. One could easily replace animal body parts with potatoes, rice, pasta, barley, lentils, chickpeas, kidney beans, split peas ... and not eat any vegan junkfood or any tofu if that's what one wants.
@@HopyHop1 Ah I see what you are saying. This video is suspiciously bad.
Though to be fair, most people will rely on processed foods as cooking is something they don't have the skill nor time to do for every meal.
I used to think BBC was a trustworthy source of knowledge. This video changed that perception. The argument here is absolute crap please fire the people who made this video.
Your just indenial
@@xLatinAssazzin not really. Do some research.
@@Random9_
That'd take work.
The poor lad can barely remember to use an apostrophe.
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This was made by a year 7 and not the BBC, surely.
I seem to remember reading the ozone layer healed during covid lock down,
farming didnt stop, infact it was largely uneffected 🤔 but planes trains and cars did.
Rice, beans, veggies, fruit
rabbit food, and unhealthy, except for fruit. fruit and meat are the best and healthiest combination.
@@GarudaLegends So all those meat eaters who also consume rice, beans and veggies are at risk, huh?
@@mylesraymond7364 at risk for what exactly? the leading cause of dietary disease and digestive issues is from rice, beans, and vegetables.
Yeah, veggies bad. Meat good. Where did you get that bit of nutritional info, an Arby’s commercial? Do you know how freaking stupid you sound?
@bob smith "Arby's"? what Arby's commercial have they ever been that said anything remotely close to anyhing i said. not only that but Arby's have tons of vegetables in their food. wow you are stupid. typical vegan.
the oldest ppl to live all consumed meat liberally. in fact the last oldest person was form cuba and was 126 before he died. vegans however dont live long. they die prematurely, and CAN NEVER come remotely close to living to 126. not only that but worse thing for dietary health is vegetable/said oils and sugar. all vegans stuff. you are just stupid, and will die young like the other stupid vegans in the past
dont even get me started on how hong Kong has the highest life expectancy on earth, and at the same time consume way more meat than any other place on earth. compared to an unhealthy place like india, it is an observable fact that rice, beans, and veggies are unhealthy. eat meat an live long, or eat leaves and die early.
Avoiding animal products is as expensive or cheap as you make it. Grains, veg, beans, fruit and bread are not expensive but pre-packed, pre-made fancy meat and dairy alternatives can be pricey. Go with the former, it's healthier and cheaper.
lol. what you mentioned is super unhealthy, other than certain fruits. this is why vegans are so unhealthy, HAVE to take drugs for the pharmaceutical market, and usually quit after a certain amount of time when their health declines.
@@GarudaLegends You think vegetables are unhealthy? Bless your little heart.
@@austinbux the oldest recorded ppl to live ate meat liberally. non of them were vegans. continue to eat your vegan diet, because you will die prematurely. the average life span of vegans are less than 70(that is me being generous), which is hilarious. dont believe me, i will just continue to laught at why you slowly die and have to keep taking your drugs from the pharmaceutical market. 🤣🤣. you are the prime example of why 8 out of 10 ppl quit the vegan diet and eat way more meat than normal. BTW the ppl with the highest life expectancy eats the most meat. look at india for example. they literally consume the most veggies as vegetarians, and have one of the lowest life expectancy. ROTF. vegans and vegetarians are so funny to observe. especially these vegan clowns. imagine thinking eating a leaf is healthy. 🤣
@@GarudaLegends I'm a prime example of why 8 out of 10 vegans quit? My parents brought me up vegan from birth and I'm now 35 and completely fit and healthy and haven't been to the doctor in a decade. What's puzzling to me though, is why individuals wanting to avoid stabbing highly sentient animals in the neck makes you so angry. Do you have a financial interest in perpetuating the meat and dairy industry?
@@austinbux "i am completely fit, healthy, and haven't been to the doctor in a decade". that is what all these vegans who quit say, before they get sick and need to eat meat or going on lifetime drugs. i am sorry you were brainwashed young and did not even make the decision on your own. i will pray for you. hopefully you can see the light, before you get too unhealthy on that diet. the lifespan of vegan are low. not worth dying young, when vegans literally pay ppl to killing trillions of sentient beings for their food, and most livestock eat meat. the vegan diet does not cause the least amount of animals to die, compared to some omnivore/carnivore diets. veganism is not rational at all.
BTW, anyone being a vegan would never get angry. i just now feel bad for them, because they are in a hypocritical cult, they are literally too brainwashed to see it.
Other comments have pointed out the absurdity of the claims here and seeming lack of research put into it. However, I would be more curious to know whether these shortcomings are due to simple personal bias (i.e. the staff who produced the video hate the idea of veganism so couldn't be bothered to accurately review the scientific record) or incentive bias (i.e. the video was made with support from a meat- or dairy-based UK lobby group). I can't find acknowledgement anywhere of the latter, and I suspect that would violate some kind of broadcasting law in the UK, so I am left to assume it is the former, and the staff here are simply clueless or disingenuous. Because any cursory examination of the literature -- and some common sense about the sociological issues like what happens in developing countries -- would be sufficient to disabuse themselves of all the nonsense they proposed.
hey BBC! do your research next time!
one of the worst, most uninvestigative and populist report I've ever seen. Damn BBC should be ashamed.
Veganism has nothing to do with the environment or sustainability.
Crop failure and the decimated grazing ranges you showed go hand in hand, too many live stock soon become none, when the pasture becomes a dust bowl!
Not a word, not a frame, about the not hidden costs of cruelty, slaughtering, massacre of innocent sentient beings.
0:16 Those sitting children are from Dalit/Bahujan background. Their food choices isn’t vegan or vegetarian. Don’t project false narrative of India as a vegetarian country. Majority of Indians are from Bahujan background and are meat based. Don’t enforce savarna oppressor caste’s food choices who are less than 15% of India’s population but holds power because of 3000+ years of caste system. BBC should do their proper research.
I'd rather be known as a vegetarian society than a animal abusing dictatorship
@@veganboy9384 Then stop using animal products needlessly for your own entertainment.
Practice what you preach.
@@janieswanson2549 I do so get off your high horse and you do realize I am one person right can't change my country into being vegan have you ever stepped on a bug you're not vegan .....
@@veganboy9384 I know I'm not. I use animal products just like you and everyone else here.
Not sure what you're nonsense is about...
@@janieswanson2549 how do you know what products I use? And if you aren't vegan that's not really an argument
Here is a perfect example of "when leave out important pieces of the picture you get a completely new or severely distorted narrative."
"Nuts and avocados use huge amounts of water" just as turbines and solar panels are good for the environment" 2 lies due to missing pieces.
Nuts and avocados grow on trees. Trees, are directly responsible for producing rain. Plants as well but trees play a bigger role. So does fungus those mushrooms you were just complaining about.
Absorption and transpiration of water, fungus spores, bacteria and otherparticles are released into the atmosphere to produce rain. Water released from the trees binds to these particles. In fact the more vegetation planted, the more rain. 40% MORE! Also, all plants and trees, algae breathe carbon and release oxygen. So the more carbon, the more oxygen.
Carbon is a nutrient as classified in botany journals. In fact, net zero is a lie and impossible. We are all, including plants and trees carbon based life forms. If there was no carbon, you would have no environment. Carbon is the greatest, and fastest energy recycled and transformed on the planet. Plants and the environment are dependent on humans and animals. When we burned wood to heat our homes the ashes were mixed into the soil to grow vegetables. We are more deficient of nutrients in our food because of the decrease in ash/carbon in put soil.
Turbines and solar panels don't just kill hundreds of thousands of birds by chopping them up or burning them out of the sky, the rare earth minerals are mined with fossil fuels and Uhygher and African child slave labor. The minerals and products used to make them, are running out. They break down quickly and CANNOT BE RECYCLED SO, they are buried in landfills.
To mine the minerals out of the earth, huge canyons are cut out scarring the planet forever.
The turbines and solar panels are heavily toxic to the environment. Burning silica also releases carbon - even the rocks contain carbon!
Cement is dumped into our oceans earth and seas. Vast amounts of wild habitats are wiped clean of all life ' plants, trees, animals ecosystems, necessay insects and the natural abilities of the life of the aforementioned on earth to produce rainfall CAUSING the idea and fears placed into the minds of adults and children, that climate change causes a scorched wasteland having destroyed the environment.
One battery for an electric vehicle emits in its production more carbon emissions than a fossil fuel powered vehicle does in 8 years. Also, they permanently poison the environment while costing $15,000 - $40,000 to replace.
This world is for the uber wealthy who aren't using green energy, or consume a vegetarian let alone vegan lifestyle. They fly in private jets and limousines to get to climate conferences and fly on the rarest and most expensive foods from all over the world. Then, pat themselves on the back for showing how much they care about the earth having attended. Meanwhile inflation and lack of affordable energy is killing off middle income to poor where only the top of the pyramid and just enough at the bottom enslaved for their needs alone remain.
Oh! King C feels so terribly awful not attending the climate conference in Egypt!!!
It's okay Charles. We know where your heart is.
It would be nice to know sustainable/ ideal/ level of meat consumption
Did some online reading and learned that it is about 300 gms per week.
I switched to a mostly whole food plant based diet primarily for health reasons. The reduced environmental impact and drastically reduced animal suffering are side benefits I value. I eat less avocados than my meat eating relatives. My nut consumption is light, as much as omnivores should eat.
I've worked on ranches, feedlots, in crop fields, and lived near commercial chicken houses. I especially dislike big animal ag business. As an omnivore, I raised a few sets of my own feeder pigs to avoid torture pork.
The low carb movement AND animal ag interest groups are doing their best to create doubt about the health benefits and environmental impact, just as they do about climate change, and just as big tobacco did about smoking risks.
Change will happen, if we don't see societal collapse first, but don't worry. It won't be rapid.
I have no concern for animal ag economics in first world countries. Transitions happen, but also the population will not go 100% vegan in this century. Don't worry.....
This is possibly the worst, most biased, “documentary” I’ve seen for a long time. Many people all around the world are vegan, and have been for a long time. No mention of the massive impact of animal agriculture compared to a plant diet.
That isn't true.
Many people claim they are even though there is proof they are not.
They derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
What poor examples of providing that sustainable aminal production are better way over plant-based options. Countries that he is mentioning rely heavily on animals are the ones that suffer from a lack of information (caused mostly due to colonization and misinformation), due to severe weather changes in the environment, they have limited resources of water and land to have plant-based options. Also, me being from India I have fisrt hand witnessed that western culture celebrates eating animals healthy, and affluence therefore now in India (as well as other countries which were on mostly plant-based diets) people are consuming more dairy and meat. The amount of food and water gets consumed by animals worldwide is 100 times ( passionately expressing) more than what humans consume. Transporting plant-based options worldwide will cost a fraction of the animals that are being transported worldwide on daily basis. It is so frustrating that we rely on people/channels like this to convey misinformation because they love their steaks.
This is such a weird and unrelated argument. You can eat meat and also eat imported asparagus. Eating vegetables is not solely for vegans and just looking at the numbers even imported vegetables emit way less emission than meat. Yes, eating local products is important but that's another argument than pro or contra veganism. Putting veganism at the center of this debate feels very biased. And what got it to do livestock in Africa/Asia? Isn't it good that we don't use their resources to fuel our need for meat?
Livestock create more emissions because we feed them vegetables.
If we didn't feed the waste to livestock it would instead go to a landfill where it would create even more greenhouse gases than both of them combined do now.
Yeah lentils beans, frozen veg. Eat for £2 a day
Fertilizer!!!??? You're blaming vegans for fertilizers? What do you think cows eat? Air? Crops bro. Crops.
The majority of livestock feed is hay, ethanol plant waste, soybean oil manufacturing waste, palm oil manufacturing waste, etc...
This video is just pointing out that "vegan" food has it's drawbacks as well. It is meant to be one sided because it is highlighting a particular thing.
@@Osc1llateW1ldly I never said that.
I guess whataboutism is your only argument...
@@Osc1llateW1ldly Still stuck on fan fiction?
I accept your concession.
@@Osc1llateW1ldly You're making things up.
Building strawmen to argue against me doesn't work.
I simple stated a fact and you're drawing conclusions that I never said.
@@janieswanson2549 Everyone just ignore this little boy “Janie” impersonating a chick. I thoroughly trounced him in a debate recently and he’s still bitter about it. Just ignore him and his asinine anti-vegan straw man nonsense.
Sorry BBC, but next time do some proper research....
Is it just me or might countries where it rains at least a bit be good places to produce nuts instead of raise livestock? You know, because at least some of the water needed to grow the plants goes directly from sky to plant and doesn't need to be potable and therefore require processing? And what about the water needed to produce the vast amounts of animal feed, often produced in developing countries and imported.
Did you ever read Ayurveda ? It always encourages to eat only Local food :)
It isn't vegan. It's vegetarian. Vegetarians drink dairy milk. They also eat eggs in many cases. Vegans don't.
All that plastic packaging for vegan food, negates all the efforts! Just saying…
Am glad (and fortunate) living in the Philippines, we have access to a variety of local vegetables all year round.
Go vegan yall
Why are you telling others to do something that you're unwilling to do yourself?
@@janieswanson2549 I've been vegan since 2017
@@theslyngl And yet you use animal products from the same animals that normal people use.
Playing pretend since 2017 must be exhausting.
@@janieswanson2549 what are you even talking about
@@theslyngl he doesn’t even know what veganism is. Just ignore him.
Nuts don’t require ammonia and use less water than most animal products
Almonds in California (if you consider them a nut) require more water than cows in the same land area.
Dismayed at poor BBC journalistic standards here, not one mention of the numerous UN and FAO studies which counter many of the arguments offerred. Obviously too inconvenient to mention, like the climate change sceptics who decide to ignore the peer reviewed scientific research because it counters their arguments.
Very disappointed to see such garbage from the BBC.
I have a mutation in my DNA that prevents me from absorbing certain nutrients from non-animal sources, so I can’t be a vegan. So, although it is possible for many people to be vegan, not everyone is physiologically able to be.
I would only try lab-created “meat” if I could be sure it didn’t contain any other ingredients like “natural flavors” which often contain components that I’m allergic to, and I therefore must avoid because companies typically won’t disclose the ingredients in the “natural flavoring”.
just eat meat. veganism is a cult of unhealthy ppl who worship animals(even though most animals eat meat). lab grown meat is unhealthy. it is heavily processed and ridden in all types of mystery chemicals.
literally no vegan would ever blame you and I am quite certain. Hope you stay safe always!
I wonder if they just woke up that morning and thought' I'm going to make a Vegan documentary today!'
there is a huge difference between surviving that diet and being healthy and benefited under that diet
Better than needlessly abusing animals.
Killed and being abused is 2 different things
@@xLatinAssazzin Please don't get any pets.
I can imagine it now, "no officer I don't abuse my dogs, I just kill them".
@@xLatinAssazzin Killing *is* abuse when it's completely needless; I can't believe you need to be convinced of that
That's literally what you do every time you comment.
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
I know you won't answer with facts and honesty. I just want anyone reading to see you don't practice what you preach.
@@RJGMorris look you peta pussies killing animal is different from abusing it an least killing it a quick death
For fighting climate change , one has to be vegan
Even if food is flown across the world it’s still lower than the impact of beef
I'm not a vegan but this is dumb. There are entire cultures built around mostly vegan diets and have been sustainable for a long time. Also, yes meat, eggs and milk are important nutrition sources in the third world, but have you considered the fact that they consume astronomically less than we do in the West? Meat eaters in South Asia/Africa eat a primarily plant based diet. It's only in Europe/America that we've created this bizarre situation where we can have as much meat or dairy as we want, whenever we want. Chicken at every meal is unheard of in poorer parts of the world, as it was for most of our ancestors throughout history. The problem is not the minuscule amounts or meat/dairy that poor people in sub saharan Africa consume. It's our factory farms and soybean plantations (to feed said factory farms) that need to be changed quickly. If we all ate like the typical meat eater in Africa, this wouldn't even be a conversation. The danger is that we're exporting our incredibly inefficient lifestyle to everyone else, and that would really be an ecological disaster.
Eat local food s, problem solved
Plants are what my food eats 🍖🍗🥩🥓🥚🧀
@@Osc1llateW1ldly yes, that's why I avoid plant foods and don't support the use of pesticides, insecticides, chemical fertilizers, etc...plant agriculture kills entire ecosystems and pollutes the earth. The plastics in packaging are another huge problem. I eat grass fed ruminants from a local regenerative farm, wild game and fish/seafood from the nearby ocean. I also get eggs from a neighbor that has free range chickens.
@@Osc1llateW1ldly tf that has to do with this
@@xLatinAssazzin Surely you can connect the dots here pal 😂
@@Osc1llateW1ldly No one on YT is against it.
Smells of meat industry sponsored video with all the cherry-picked data.
5:21 This is a Nandi; the vehicle of a very important Indian God Shiva;How can you say you revere Nandi(Cow) and EAT IT?!(In India,yes most people treat it as a god and they DON'T eat BEEF but they do consume milk;which was okay back then(all of meat WAS okay) but now, the way we extract food is just abhorrently cruel) would you do that to Nandi?
thanks for bringing this up, veganism most certainly does have many "hidden" costs. not just for food but also clothing. i know vegans that won't even wear wool. that being said, they wear a lot of synthetic fibers, which come from oil based products. so here they are trying to save the planet & its inhabitants with their diet but they're creating just as much waste & harm as those of us omnivores. moderation, small farming, & local commodities are great foundations to preserving our precious planet.
just saving environment on diet is one step already, maybe you could step up cause its not "just as much waste & harm". agree with your last statement though.
A world without beef steak, bacon, and fried chicken is a world that deserves another huge asteroid strike.
As a vegetarian, i never understood why other vegetarians would want to buy over priced fake meat mixed with chemicals hard to pronounce just to eat fake hotdogs and hamburgers, when you can just eat raw veggies and fruit.
The thing is livestock animals need to eat plants to survive so economically and in terms of land… just grow plants. Plant based products are nice or a luxury but not the main focus for many people who eat Vegan or plant based- just eat plants - beans, legumes, veggies, grains and tubers. No need to kill innocent animals.
So are you volunteering to eat current livestock feed?
Let me know how good a steaming bowl of ethanol plant waste and almond shells taste.
@@janieswanson2549 they still need to eat plant matter so land will be used to grow that, so why not just grow plants for human consumption. I will eat palatable plant based foods thanks 😁 Not livestock feed.
@@AnantaNow Then everything can continue the way it does.
The waste for crop harvesting and industry for human consumption is the majority of livestock feed.
Would you rather that waste go to a landfill and create CO2, NO2, and methane emission in higher concentrations than livestock farming?
@@janieswanson2549 I do not think that it works like that. We can agree to disagree. I understand where you are coming from.
@@AnantaNow You're free to disagree with facts.
I personally will not.
I prefer to see things objectively instead of using platitudes and feelings.