I have been searching and searching for the reason why my car is vibrating so much. After new torque struts and transmission mount I think you guys have provided me with the answer. I changed everything you threw out in the beginning of your video.
I wish more ppl would point this out!! Good on you guys to do so... I found this by chance in my Haynes manual last summer when looking up torque values for the upper, lower & transmission mount for my '05 PT GT convertible. Used a zip tie that I cut to size @ 119mm vs fiddling with something to get in my way. The zip tie fits under bracket & lines up straight with alignment hole to center of bolt.
Ok.., great video. Just replaced all 4 mounts and suspension on 06 grand caravan. All mounts in exact position as old. All through bolts torqued to chrysler spec. The front bracket for the mount under the radiator that bolts to the engine is slotted, with room for adjustment. Installed new mount exactly where old one was. Great for a month, then after some spirited driving, a popping sound that transmitted through the body drove me crazy until I determined it had to be one of the mounts. Put a jack under oil pan and slowly went up and then pop...., front mount. The bolt was still tight to spec maybe a little tighter but when I tested it, it kept shifting up in the bracket. I positioned the mount at the highest point to eliminate the issue, and it worked but I now have some cabin vibration when accelerating under load and at idle. Like the other gentleman said its not a Mercedes but this seems to be much more then normal. Checked all other mounts. The only thing I can come up with, is either I have a crappy quality hydraulic mount that just didn't hold up under pressure or there's a secret adjustment that Chrysler didn't publish in their manual. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks...just subscribed!
Holy cow; what a God send. I have been looking forever for this very fix. You would not believe all the troubleshooting, cleaning, diagnostics, and part swapping I have gone through to find what you have discovered. Thank you so, so much!
On my 2001 neon 2.0 this trick worked perfect! Thanks guys ,I bought this car a few weeks back and noticed it had all new motor mounts ,but this thing had a really bad vibration ,after watching your video and doing the exact same thing you did I can also say Wow it is shocking how something so small could do so much! Thanks a ton! ,,,,,,, you guys rock ! And by the way the neon is also the same hole set up but instead it holds a wire clip not a fule line, also check your plug wires for oil ,two of mine where bad ,from my spark plug sleeve popping out a tiny bit, again thanks for the help ,,,,,and great work ,,,,,it had me like h,mmmmmm this might work,,, and it did,,,,,,,🤓
Good Video. I am working on a 2004 pt. I replaced all the mounts about 2 years ago. They where shot. I jacked the motor up a bit and just tightened the bolts. I have that vibration. I am going to readjust it using your method and will let you know how it turns out. Also when you replace the mounts there is a front mount that bolts to the engine. The manual says to move the motor back and try to fish it out. If you do a timing belt you can get right at the mount no problem.If the motor mounts are shot its time for a belt and water pump anyway. Thanks for the video.
Not really a "secret" ...explained in any PT Cruiser repair manual. It is a step to follow when doing a timing belt /waterpump RnR. Easier/more accurate /than using a measuring tape is to use a guage cut from sheet metal. Cut a strip precisely 13mm wide by 119 mm long. Makes getting an accurate center to center measurement visual so much better. Enjoyed the vid...Best to you and yours
Thanks guys I have replaced my upper and lower mounts but didn't know about rotating the engine back. Which is probably why I still have the vibration. Looks like I have some work to do.
I must be really lucky. ive had my Motor mounts off many times working on it over the years. I never have any vibrations and never measured like this. I just used the witness marks to put it back where I thought it was.
I just picked up an 04 ran fine till I got home about 35 miles. now 0303 code #3 misfire. it sat for some time with an almost empty fuel tank. I filled tank and ran some system cleaner in the tank...seems to run a little better but still rough idle..goes down road fine.previous owner had new valve cover gasket etc replaced and new plugs ,wires installed.
I know this is an older vid but could you describe the vibration, was it constant, was it a small short vibration, or more slow heavy feeling wobble one AFTER you fixed the eng? my 03 non turbo PT has a lil erratic intermittent wiggle at idle, no eng codes. The intermittent part tells me it may not be caused by this misalignment, but maybe ill try this anyways
The PT stands for personal transport, sourced from wiki who claimed Chrysler as their source. I just bought one of these an 08 about to start chasing down a p0303 really hoping I get it sorted before I hit the intake gaskets. I barely know how to do an oil change and tune up. FML thank goodness for youtube. I didn't think a subtle misfire could have so many damn culprits. Here's to bad plugs and wires- Fingers crossed.
Well now I know, All I can do is say thank you for the time you took to edumicate the wrench rookies. Hopefully I didn't waste my money on this buy. Seriously these youtubers like yourself that post videos like this are very helpful. Been able to save a lot of money on repairs the last few years using these.
It was a burned valve, had a list of other stuff done while that was being done including new mounts and vibration. So when I'm done replacing my catalytic converter I'll be making this adjustment. What were the torque specs for those three bolts if you would be so kind please sir??? Or what would be safe?
What about the Center Motor Mount on the PT Cruiser? Didnt mention anything about the Center Mount? If that is bad, you'll have vibration there. No matter how those 2 mounts are adjusted. Although, to repair the Center Mount, you have to take the whole engine out. Can't fix it otherwise. Center mount it right behind the wheel well behind the strut tower. Pretty much smack dab in the middle of all of you stuff the timing belt works with. Sucks. However, I have a rough Idle and it dont matter what gear im in. New plugs, Wires, Mounts, Valves, Timing Belt, Water Pump, Engine and Head Gasket Resurfaced, etc. about a year ago in my 08. Vibration started with the changing of the top motor mount so I'm assuming that they are not alligned properly. But, I will also be cleaning my Thrtoole Body and IAC soon as that may be a cause as well. Thanks for the video and knowledge on this as I never even knew they could be alligned or this would cause any issue of vibration. Thanks Random Repair.
You don’t HAVE to take out the engine to replace the center mount. Just have to take out the crank pulley for clearance and then dance with the engine by jacking it up and down respectively to remove bolts holding the mounting plate. Then with a little elbow grease and persuasion you can get that center mount out. Also helps if you remove the 4 bolts from the exhaust to the catalytic converter for lifting the engine to reach bolts
I had a bad vibration in gear and ac on I changed the plugs n set mount so how I lost the pendulum strut where can buy another how can I if the extra vibration when ac is on
i have an 05 caravan with the same engine....runs great but has a vibration when in drive at a stoplight especially when ac is on....it has over 200k miles on it and the mounts have never been changed so im thinking i gotta replace them
I have a 2005 Pt 2.4L Turbo, and its misfiring I changed the Spark plugs and Wires and I’m think it’s the coil that I need a brand new one, smoke is coming from the back and Idk what to do, then on top of that it shakes as well need help ASAP
Didn't have any effect on my 2001 PT Cruiser...What you didn't tell in this video was about the nut, on the backside of the upper motor mount bolt; you need to hold this in order to loosen the bolt, not an easy task.....
There are 4. Upper, Lower transmission Mounts. But, the one a lot of people dont know about is the Center Motor Mount. To repair this one, the whole engine has to be removed. Best time to do it is when the Timing Belt work needs to be done. However, The Center Motor Mount never really goes bad. Rarely does it ever. So, You may be good. All depends how good of condition the car was in or is in and if it was neglected at all. A lot of Factors.
I have a Question for ya ? I have a 2006 pt cruiser Just had some work done on it tires replaced alignment done ect could a transmission torque converter be the issue why it shakes at 50 to 6o mph ? and Only when I apply gas does it shake . any thoughts ? Im Not happy with the repair shop so I will be writing them back soon
Good information but it was really annoying to watch the whole video only to have the camera man talking so loud that I couldn't hardly hear the idle after the job was done... just saying
Joisey Kids Sorry, didn't consider people not having a volume control. That being said, the fix reduces vibration not noise, idle is irrelevant. Thanks for Watching
Come on man, it Is NOT a "secret"!!! It has always been in the Haynes/Chilton repair manual!! Since 2001! Common sense tells you to have it when doing repairs on this "Chrysler Truck", as RockAuto/Alldata calls it. The fuel line tether is NOT a 'piece of crap'. Proper research first, THEN act. Thank You!!!
Which is why it is called a Torque strut instead of a motor mount. After the Dealer, a MOPAR 'master' mechanic, and two hot rod builders not believing these engines can run without vibrating, I ended up having to do the dogbone adjustment my self....Very difficult not to own anything but a PU truck in south Louisiana.
what the fuck. how am i supposed to know i have the same issue if there's no before footage? all yu guys fucking did was change the position of the motor mounts
devin turner correct. Now, if you need me to break it down to bite size chunks no problem, I'm here to help. Does your engine have new mounts? if not, we will assume they dont need adjustment. Do you have worn out mounts? if so you should change them, then you must adjust them. Is the vibration just that or is it a misfire? check that first! good luck
This is no "secret" it's stated in the workshop manual but even with the correct alignment mine still has plenty vibrations.fucken Chrysler and Dodge are really shit cars.
I have been searching and searching for the reason why my car is vibrating so much. After new torque struts and transmission mount I think you guys have provided me with the answer. I changed everything you threw out in the beginning of your video.
I wish more ppl would point this out!! Good on you guys to do so... I found this by chance in my Haynes manual last summer when looking up torque values for the upper, lower & transmission mount for my '05 PT GT convertible. Used a zip tie that I cut to size @ 119mm vs fiddling with something to get in my way. The zip tie fits under bracket & lines up straight with alignment hole to center of bolt.
Damn!
I did this on my 2000 Chrysler neon and what a difference!! No more vibration even in gear!!
Thanks guys!
Here in Brazil we are makeing just like that in all cruisers from pt cruiser club Brasil....after watching this video...thank you very much
Ok.., great video. Just replaced all 4 mounts and suspension on 06 grand caravan. All mounts in exact position as old. All through bolts torqued to chrysler spec. The front bracket for the mount under the radiator that bolts to the engine is slotted, with room for adjustment. Installed new mount exactly where old one was. Great for a month, then after some spirited driving, a popping sound that transmitted through the body drove me crazy until I determined it had to be one of the mounts. Put a jack under oil pan and slowly went up and then pop...., front mount. The bolt was still tight to spec maybe a little tighter but when I tested it, it kept shifting up in the bracket. I positioned the mount at the highest point to eliminate the issue, and it worked but I now have some cabin vibration when accelerating under load and at idle. Like the other gentleman said its not a Mercedes but this seems to be much more then normal. Checked all other mounts. The only thing I can come up with, is either I have a crappy quality hydraulic mount that just didn't hold up under pressure or there's a secret adjustment that Chrysler didn't publish in their manual. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks...just subscribed!
Can't wait to try this on my 02 neon after replacing all mounts still vibrating, thanks for the great information. Well done!
Holy cow; what a God send. I have been looking forever for this very fix. You would not believe all the troubleshooting, cleaning, diagnostics, and part swapping I have gone through to find what you have discovered. Thank you so, so much!
On my 2001 neon 2.0 this trick worked perfect! Thanks guys ,I bought this car a few weeks back and noticed it had all new motor mounts ,but this thing had a really bad vibration ,after watching your video and doing the exact same thing you did I can also say Wow it is shocking how something so small could do so much! Thanks a ton! ,,,,,,, you guys rock ! And by the way the neon is also the same hole set up but instead it holds a wire clip not a fule line, also check your plug wires for oil ,two of mine where bad ,from my spark plug sleeve popping out a tiny bit, again thanks for the help ,,,,,and great work ,,,,,it had me like h,mmmmmm this might work,,, and it did,,,,,,,🤓
Good Video. I am working on a 2004 pt. I replaced all the mounts about 2 years ago. They where shot. I jacked the motor up a bit and just tightened the bolts. I have that vibration. I am going to readjust it using your method and will let you know how it turns out. Also when you replace the mounts there is a front mount that bolts to the engine. The manual says to move the motor back and try to fish it out. If you do a timing belt you can get right at the mount no problem.If the motor mounts are shot its time for a belt and water pump anyway.
Thanks for the video.
Holy shit yal are god sends ! Ive got a 2003 neon with a 2.0 and after i changed the mounts the vibrations started! I believe this is the answer!
This is very informative for owners of PT Cruisers .
Amazing. Love learning these tweaks. Thanks!
Not really a "secret" ...explained in any PT Cruiser repair manual. It is a step to follow when doing a timing belt /waterpump RnR. Easier/more accurate /than using a measuring tape is to use a guage cut from sheet metal. Cut a strip precisely 13mm wide by 119 mm long. Makes getting an accurate center to center measurement visual so much better. Enjoyed the vid...Best to you and yours
gotta give this a try . I change my mounts but never knew you can adjust them thanks!
Thanks guys I have replaced my upper and lower mounts but didn't know about rotating the engine back. Which is probably why I still have the vibration. Looks like I have some work to do.
Thanks guys! Been looking for this.
Eric Schmitt you're welcome!!
I must be really lucky. ive had my Motor mounts off many times working on it over the years. I never have any vibrations and never measured like this. I just used the witness marks to put it back where I thought it was.
Great and excelent tutorial video.
BWoody Performance makes awesome mounts for the PT Cruiser GT. Mine are powder coated blue to match the paint. They are STOUT!!!!
Great video! Very helpful.
Kevin Campbell thanks! great to hear. sorry about the video quality
Amazing, Thanks guys
I just picked up an 04 ran fine till I got home about 35 miles. now 0303 code #3 misfire. it sat for some time with an almost empty fuel tank. I filled tank and ran some system cleaner in the tank...seems to run a little better but still rough idle..goes down road fine.previous owner had new valve cover gasket etc replaced and new plugs ,wires installed.
+russtew1
This one had burnt valves. Maybe do a compression test.
Good luck :)
Thank you so much for taking time to explain this adjustement. If I understand well, the center engine mount is tighten when you proceed, right?
Yann Rougeron correct
Yeah I'm having the same problem it's been going on for now about 2 years can't seem to figure it out hopefully this may be it.
Thank you!!💪😎
Im going to try this i replaced the lower control arms on my 05
What should it read with it back on the tires? Still at 120mm?
I have a 2005 2.4 turbo kind and recently it just started smoking foggy smoke 💨 and is starting to shake now what would be some good tips
It stands for either public or personal transportation PT Cruiser
I know this is an older vid but could you describe the vibration, was it constant, was it a small short vibration, or more slow heavy feeling wobble one AFTER you fixed the eng? my 03 non turbo PT has a lil erratic intermittent wiggle at idle, no eng codes. The intermittent part tells me it may not be caused by this misalignment, but maybe ill try this anyways
well whats the measurement for a 2008 dodge avenger and it not the same as the pt cruiser
and thats why you can buy clean PTs for $500 all day everyday
Thanks so much for help
Pamela Picone glad I was of some help!
Thanks so much tools for this job are rare lol
The PT stands for personal transport, sourced from wiki who claimed Chrysler as their source. I just bought one of these an 08 about to start chasing down a p0303 really hoping I get it sorted before I hit the intake gaskets. I barely know how to do an oil change and tune up. FML thank goodness for youtube. I didn't think a subtle misfire could have so many damn culprits. Here's to bad plugs and wires- Fingers crossed.
Patrick Smith they do burn valves.
Well now I know, All I can do is say thank you for the time you took to edumicate the wrench rookies. Hopefully I didn't waste my money on this buy. Seriously these youtubers like yourself that post videos like this are very helpful. Been able to save a lot of money on repairs the last few years using these.
Patrick Smith I would do a compression test. Even a relative compression test if u have the tools.
It was a burned valve, had a list of other stuff done while that was being done including new mounts and vibration. So when I'm done replacing my catalytic converter I'll be making this adjustment. What were the torque specs for those three bolts if you would be so kind please sir??? Or what would be safe?
Patrick Smith if you just snug em to good and tight you will be good :)
$42 bucks for the upper short & 42$ for bottom longer mount at bond/ 0riley parts store ☹️thank You 👍 now here we go
What about the Center Motor Mount on the PT Cruiser? Didnt mention anything about the Center Mount? If that is bad, you'll have vibration there. No matter how those 2 mounts are adjusted. Although, to repair the Center Mount, you have to take the whole engine out. Can't fix it otherwise. Center mount it right behind the wheel well behind the strut tower. Pretty much smack dab in the middle of all of you stuff the timing belt works with. Sucks.
However, I have a rough Idle and it dont matter what gear im in. New plugs, Wires, Mounts, Valves, Timing Belt, Water Pump, Engine and Head Gasket Resurfaced, etc. about a year ago in my 08. Vibration started with the changing of the top motor mount so I'm assuming that they are not alligned properly. But, I will also be cleaning my Thrtoole Body and IAC soon as that may be a cause as well. Thanks for the video and knowledge on this as I never even knew they could be alligned or this would cause any issue of vibration. Thanks Random Repair.
did you replace coil?
You don’t HAVE to take out the engine to replace the center mount. Just have to take out the crank pulley for clearance and then dance with the engine by jacking it up and down respectively to remove bolts holding the mounting plate. Then with a little elbow grease and persuasion you can get that center mount out. Also helps if you remove the 4 bolts from the exhaust to the catalytic converter for lifting the engine to reach bolts
I had a bad vibration in gear and ac on I changed the plugs n set mount so how I lost the pendulum strut where can buy another how can I if the extra vibration when ac is on
Does work the same for the solid motor mounts???
Not too sure... I've never used them.
Sorry
where is your location guys ? and how much does it cost for motor mount passenge side
i have an 05 caravan with the same engine....runs great but has a vibration when in drive at a stoplight especially when ac is on....it has over 200k miles on it and the mounts have never been changed so im thinking i gotta replace them
Good chance. I would inspect them closely
@@randomrepair1680 the vibration completely disappears when i put it in neutral or park, so probably definitely the mounts
@@hugeCRSfan69 Were you able to solve it?
Pt stands for personal transporation
Plymouth truck.
I have a 2005 Pt 2.4L Turbo, and its misfiring I changed the Spark plugs and Wires and I’m think it’s the coil that I need a brand new one, smoke is coming from the back and Idk what to do, then on top of that it shakes as well need help ASAP
Do a compression test. I sold my '04 GT Cruiser with bad exhaust valves on cylinder no 1. Not worth fixing.
Hi I just replaced the upper and lower mount on my wife's pt, any idea why the car still shake pretty bad especially when the ac is on?
it's your cooling fan. believe it or not.
Didn't have any effect on my 2001 PT Cruiser...What you didn't tell in this video was about the nut, on the backside of the upper motor mount bolt; you need to hold this in order to loosen the bolt, not an easy task.....
Camaro you may have bad mounts. Hopefully you get it sorted.
My '02 non turbo w/A/T measures a distance of 111mm...and vibrates like heck. Do I readjust to 119mm?
Yup. Try it out. Should help
Turns out that I don't have a pencil strut at all...looking to find one at a junk yard. No longer available as new from Chrysler.
@@bcooper5952 well there is your problem. Check rockauto
Bought strut ($5) and installed. It cut the vibes in half, but I still have some vibration. Where should I look. Both Motor Mt or right side replaced.
Motor Torque struts...not the center mount. How do you tell if the center and or tranny mount is bad??
and there are four mounts??? i was told 3. upper and lower motor and trans mount, ordered from rockauto.com
There are 4. Upper, Lower transmission Mounts. But, the one a lot of people dont know about is the Center Motor Mount. To repair this one, the whole engine has to be removed. Best time to do it is when the Timing Belt work needs to be done. However, The Center Motor Mount never really goes bad. Rarely does it ever. So, You may be good. All depends how good of condition the car was in or is in and if it was neglected at all. A lot of Factors.
Great Video a Little focus issue But great thanks
Yeah. it's all camera phone video. I'm for info only;)
ok Great Job Purpose Accomplished !
I have a Question for ya ?
I have a 2006 pt cruiser Just had some work done on it tires replaced alignment done ect
could a transmission torque converter be the issue why it shakes at 50 to 6o mph ? and Only when I apply gas does it shake . any thoughts ? Im Not happy with the repair shop so I will be writing them back soon
+TheJaybird53 it's possible. try using od off. could be lots of things unfortunately
ok thank you will do !
Good information but it was really annoying to watch the whole video only to have the camera man talking so loud that I couldn't hardly hear the idle after the job was done... just saying
Joisey Kids Sorry, didn't consider people not having a volume control. That being said, the fix reduces vibration not noise, idle is irrelevant. Thanks for Watching
Joisey Kids Also he must have said uh a hundred times.
What would really be good is for yall to fix my pt cruiser before I torche it
🥂👍👍👍
Come on man, it Is NOT a "secret"!!! It has always been in the Haynes/Chilton repair manual!! Since 2001! Common sense tells you to have it when doing repairs on this "Chrysler Truck", as RockAuto/Alldata calls it. The fuel line tether is NOT a 'piece of crap'. Proper research first, THEN act. Thank You!!!
harold reyes LMAO. This video is to help people who don't have a manual, not revealing the location of the Holy Grail. I love trolls.
Which is why it is called a Torque strut instead of a motor mount. After the Dealer, a MOPAR 'master' mechanic, and two hot rod builders not believing these engines can run without vibrating, I ended up having to do the dogbone adjustment my self....Very difficult not to own anything but a PU truck in south Louisiana.
So is this car a pos of epic proportions?
Some may say that.
I'm sure some people also love it
does this apply to the turbo PT..???
+TJ CRIM
I would imagine it does
Yes
what the fuck. how am i supposed to know i have the same issue if there's no before footage? all yu guys fucking did was change the position of the motor mounts
devin turner correct. Now, if you need me to break it down to bite size chunks no problem, I'm here to help. Does your engine have new mounts? if not, we will assume they dont need adjustment. Do you have worn out mounts? if so you should change them, then you must adjust them. Is the vibration just that or is it a misfire? check that first! good luck
PT stands for Plymouth truck. Really it does.
PT in PT cruiser means Plymouth Truck.
Can anyone translate him on russian please 😢?
This is no "secret" it's stated in the workshop manual but even with the correct alignment mine still has plenty vibrations.fucken Chrysler and Dodge are really shit cars.
Nafunny lots of people work on their cars without a shop manual. This is for those individuals :) I agree... Garbage
They call it( pt) for Plymouth truck..
Gross.
Good video. Love it. Hate working on my PTGT.
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