I just want to clarify that I think golf is a great sport and wonderful when people find activities that they love! I hope no one feels like I was speaking negatively on the sport or has anxiety around their partner playing! It was meant to just be silly banter about how time consuming the sport is 💛⛳️
You give off the kindest vibe of everyone on this entire podcast, anyone saying you were malicious are just using you as a punching bag for all the crap in their lives
Not at all!! The perceptive people watching totally understood what you meant. You didn't say golfers were cheaters, but IF they decided to, they would have the biggest cop-out because of all the time golfing entails.
Cancer survivor here too, however male. OP's wife, friends and mother are just pure garbage. The daughter begging OP to give his wife a second chance has me thinking, that the wife is manipulating the daughter in order to manipulate OP, which makes her even more of a garbage person. As someone who has had a partner go through the whole cancer process with them, it wouldn't even cross my mind to want a hall pass, because I was close to death or whatever.
About the 2nd story: Why is everybody only talking about what SHE went through? HE was confronted with the possible death of his wife of over 20 years! That's traumatic too.
It’s easy for wife’s friends and relatives to care about her, because in the end it’s about *their* almost-loss of her. She could have disappeared and in the process lost a crucial part of her womanhood (saying that one loosely, since it’s not the organ that makes a woman), so for them it’s vital for her to do everything she want to “recover”, because this way her circle can feel that they will recover with her. The husband in this is forgotten, unfortunately. I think it’s equally the personal callousness and human nature. It’s easy to not pay attention to things that are good and okay, and since the husband was there the whole time and didn’t break down, wife and her circle got a feeling that he will be there no matter what. Good for him to leave. With wife having a whole cheerleading team, she can’t confront how horrible her behavior is - all she will hear is how she is in the right and how wrong her husband is. Especially with her comment about how she confidently thought that the marriage “won’t end over this”. I think with her echo chamber she forgot that she is not the only one in the marriage
I totally agree, I see people react different to cancer and death. Sometimes people in their last days can be selfish, I saw that happen a few times. But still never like this form of hedonism. but It’s so weird that her environment just all agreed with this that no one said the truth to her. She sounds like the trauma caused her personality to change and not for the better.
Thank you every time they said what she bent through I screamed what about what he’s been through yes she had cancer and struggled with that but she didn’t go through it by herself sounds to me he stood by her every step of the way probably putting on a brave face for her but also being worried that he potentially could be losing the love of his life. Then for her to turn around and disrespect him like that is so heartbreaking
This! And as someone whose dealing with possible uterine cancer myself he had to deal with everything leading up to it sexually too and didn’t seem to flinch or blink he stayed by her side and carried her when she needed it… I agree with Lauren to throw that away for an orgasm, for sex… not worth it.
as a child of someone who survived cancer (twice), I can confirm that it’s equally traumatic for everyone in the family. my mother felt no urge to cheat after getting her breast removed. and as someone who has been in a polyamorous relationship, polyamory only works if everyone in the relationship is aware and 100% comfortable with the established rules and boundaries. if you break those rules and cross those boundaries, you’re cheating, end of story.
Just FYI Story 2 has more updates. Apparently the friend had convinced her to do the cheating. Hubby told all the husbands of her friends. A few of the women had actually been cheating. So others got divorced and some went into couples therapy possibly.
Story 2: she thought op was so obsessed with her that he would never leave but thing about having a man that is obsessed with you is that you should NEVER take that love for granted. Imagine having a man in love with you for over 20 years and just throwing it away like it’s nothing… could never. Would never. Glad op walked away when he realized he was being taken advantage of. She took his kindness for weakness
She got greedy. The cancer made her realise she wanted to put her desires before anything else. Which is fine generally speaking. She just didn't understand that's what being single means. She looked back on every concession she's made in their marriage and lost sight on the mountain of benefits she received in return. Sad she let her friends speak louder than her husband, daughter or therapist. Fuck around and find out will feel very lonely now.
My favorite episodes are the ones with Lauren. She is so fun to listen to because she’s just being herself. She doesn’t constantly filter herself to say the most correct answer. I feel like some of the guests use therapist lingo/try to give a super mature or professional reactions. Don’t get me wrong I love everyone on the podcast and I’m thankful for everyone’s contribution. But I just especially love Lauren’s approach. She doesn’t take herself too seriously or feel like she needs to give therapist grade advice/takes. I prefer hearing takes that feel human and relatable rather than takes that feel overly mature or professional. I love the episodes that just feel like girls chatting about gossip and being silly.
my mind is blown...this dude should be no where near the kid I hope the wife files what she needs to get far away from this crazy dude.@@deanna.rodrigues
He had me in the first half of the story, because honestly, if she really was his roommate, I’d agree that it’s none of his responsibility all of that stuff she was asking of him. I wasn’t ready for that plot twist 😂
Honestly, if I was his wife I'd abort his child, divorce him, and find someone who actually wants to be a partner and parent. If he doesn't want to be supportive he can be alone with *no* family.
The way I refreshed their page a million times yesterday waiting for the next episode I've never been more excited to receive a RUclips notification lol
Story two: as someone who has had cancer, the wife can f**k all the way off! It's awful & traumatic to deal with & often leaves psychological scars, but none of that gives you licence to cheat or unilaterally decide you're opening your marriage (which in my view is still cheating).
That’s great! Yes i find it sickening that she + her goons think that’s an excuse. Imagine if he had the diagnosis, she nursed him bk to health + he thanked her by walking arm in arm into a hotel room w/some work chick bc… “my life.” We could all die today. Doesn’t gv us the _hall pass_ to hurt the ppl in our life.
Exactly and when it comes to like opening the relationship whether it's just to have some fun or going full polyamory both people have to be on board. If either person is if he and not wanting to and the other still goes through with it it's cheating it is disrespectful of boundaries.
I said the same thing I have uterine tumors and am having a hysterectomy in two days. My fiancé is my rock and I don’t care if it was Jason Mammoa this wouldn’t even cross my mind…
"unilaterally decide you're opening your marriage (which in my view is still cheating)" As a non-monogamous person, I couldn't have said it better myself. I am Polyamorous, and NONE of my partners would dare treat me like OP's wife did.... I would leave. her. ass. Hell no, that is for SURE cheating
The wife cheating story is WILD. I really wish he had said “don’t worry I’m taking the decision away from you” when she said they weren’t going to get a divorce 😂😂😂 she took a nose dive into crazytown. That’s pure narcissistic behavior
That second story is so sad. It sounds like the wife hasn’t properly dealt with the lingering trauma from her cancer experience and instead of dealing with it in a healthy way-communication, personal therapy, couples therapy, surrounding herself with uplifting ppl-she used her cancer experience as a manipulation tool. Either that or she’s genuinely a nasty person… in that case, it’s good to remember that sick ppl can be jerks too and make bad decisions, their history doesn’t excuse any of that.
Right either way she needs to bring her ass to therapy TBH I feel like it should be required that anybody who survives anything like cancer they are legally obligated go to therapy and the gov should pay for it if they already don't have insurance
She's a nasty person, there is no question. No sure, wjy everyone is shooting her bail. If a man did this, no woman in these comments would be so understanding.
More context for the necrophilia story, most morgues and mortuaries try to hire women because men assault bodies quite regularly 😱 it's disgusting and also common.
No fucking way!! That is disgusting! It's common?? To the point hiring managers try to choose women. . .😟🤮 and there's no distinction between male or female corpses? That is super disturbing. Thank you for sharing this, I had no idea.
Honestly, with this story, if I was OP I would call his bluff and say something like "well if it's in the past ad doesn't matter, then we can just bring it up whenever, I can talk to your mum/bbest friend/colleagues about this right" and see how quickly his demeanour changes
@@rachelanderson5608it’s not common. There was one man prosecuted for this. A misandrist TikTok went viral with this info saying it’s common and people ran with it.
@@meowiestwoare you kidding? The whole reason the position of coroner is an elected official(who could have no medical degree) is bc there aren’t enough forensic pathologists. If you’re curious, John Oliver did a special about death investigations and a good documentary to watch is “Post Mortem: Death Investigations In America.” Let’s also not forget, famously Marilyn Monroe’s body was missing for hours after she died. 😒 One of the reasons you find It so difficult to find cases on It is because they aren’t made known to the public. Because it’s not a murder, it’s not sensationalized. It’s a private criminal case. Do you hear about every sentencing in your local court house? Furthermore, many are not caught for a long time if ever and then when they are, top officials do their best to keep It under wraps/discreet so that It doesn’t become a sensation. This is why they have numbers for case studies but you don’t have names. Some stats: Rosman and Resnick reviewed 123 cases of necrophilia. The sample was divided into genuine necrophiliacs, who had a persistent attraction to corpses, and pseudo-necrophiliacs, who acted out of opportunity, sadism, or transient interest. Of the total, 92% were male and 8% were female. 57% of the genuine necrophiliacs had occupational access to corpses, with morgue attendants, hospital orderly, and cemetery employees being the most common jobs. (published in the journal The Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law)
If you want an open relationship, then just ask your partner. If they say no, either stay by them and in a closed relationship or break up with them. I’m fine with having an open relationship. But cheating behind someone’s back is horrible. If you can’t be in a closed relationship without cheating, don’t be in a closed relationship.
exactly. i learned my lesson and now i have to preface to people that i would be more willing to open the relationship than if they cheat. cheating, unacceptable… communication, perfectly okay.
Story 2: calling it, the downvoted comment was totally being written by someone who cheats. Most decent polygamous people I know tend to be pretty understanding that polygamy isn't for everyone and that it's good to respect boundaries.
The polyamory route would be closer to what Morgan said: 1. Hey hubby, been having these feelings... 2. Therapist, to make sure it's not some childhood/other trauma 3. Build a strong relationship with husband 4. Then a year or two later, if still feel like it, discuss again what would be acceptable for both. 5. If he would not be open to any form of threesome/open/lover, but she feels 100% it's the direction of her life, then they should use 1 more year for an amicable divorce. 6. THEN she could build new relationships that meet her new needs.
@@laurlaurmarmar7697 great question, I wonder this too. I am polyamorous, and I actually really feel uncomfortable when people refer to polyamory or open relationships or more nuanced non-monogamous structures as polygamous. These are different things with different social, structural, and emotional implications @randomtology would you please clarify? No issue if you just didn't understand the terms were different. If you don't know how they are different, I would actually feel really happy to explain that to you, no judgement!
As someone who has had a hysterectomy because of ovarian cancer and yes you do face your mortality. Yes you do face the death of your own womanhood. It is traumatizing and heartbreaking. But no, I would NEVER treat my partner that way. There is no excuse. She's a pos.
Honest question: how is it a death of your womanhood? Only because you cannot have children any more or does it have some other physical (hormonal??) effects?
@@MyBlackSheepa bit of both. A total hysterectomy has the effect of producing early menopause due to the fact that the ovaries are removed and you can’t naturally produce your hormones anymore, it can be really difficult to deal with that since it can have a lot of physical side effects. But also in a symbolic sense- many women tie their womanhood to their reproductive cycles. The ability to have periods, make and develop life and eventually bear that life is synonymous to womanhood traditionally. It can really shake things up when you realise that those functions are taken away from you, either through biological or medical means, i hope that makes sense!
Story 1: That was so satisfying!!! I think he stayed with her because he is scared to lose half his business and assets when the divorce happens. He was trying to stay on her good side.
Can we PLEASE clarify that having something like a hysterectomy does NOT make you any less of a woman or "take away" your womanhood. The ability to birth doesn't give you the stamp of womanhood. There are plenty of women, including cis women who cannot give birth, yet they are still women. Love y'all!
I had a hysterectomy at 30 years old. Yes it can feel like a blow but that is not a reason to cheat and take away your spouses agency. I can’t even imagine hurting someone like that, even when I was hurting the most. Divorce was necessary in this case because she is a selfish narcissistic waste of air.
Also, as a Filipina who watches every episode multiple times (I like to fall asleep to it on Spotify) I so appreciate the shoutout. Lauren has always been my favorite. 😌💕✨
The story about the wife having cancer.. I havent finished your takes on it yet but I feel as though the fact that HE went through something traumatic as well is being completely glossed over. Imagine getting the news that your partner got a cancer diagnosis, it seems as though he may be an overthinker anyway and I'm sure that sent his brain into a spiral of what ifs and I myself know what its like to break your own heart over hypotheticals, especially when that hypothetical is losing your partner due to them dying. I'm glad she was able to make a full recovery but I'm sure at some point that man had to face the idea of "what if my wife doesn't beat this?" And if he was there for her the way he's claiming to have been, I'm sure he had many traumatizing moments as well. My heart breaks for him.
I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this. He said he wasn't worried, but watching your spouse go through cancer treatment and other traumatic events is traumatic in itself. It is so bizarre that his wife did not appreciate the person that was there to support her every step of the way.
I really wonder if part of her motivation was a perceived lack of reaction. He said in the beginning that he was never worried that she was going to die - why not?? I get that it's an early stage but she still needed a total hysterectomy. It feels like maybe he was repressing a bigger reaction to his wife having a serious health scare, or putting on a brave face or something, and maybe that led to his wife thinking she wasn't valued. Absolutely doesn't excuse her behavior, she was way out of line. This should have gone to couples therapy before it went to taking away his say in their marriage. Her selfish behavior is inexcusable and this relationship was over the second she said she was doing this without his permission.
With story one, if the mistress knew about the wife, depending on what state you live in, she can get sued as well that’s what happened to the singer Fantasia Barrino she got sued for alienation of affection
Story 2 hits home because that's how my parents divorced. Minus the cancer, my mom's best friends kept talking her into cheating on my dad and when my dad realized, into divorcing him. When she realized she would get nothing because of cheating and home abandonment (idk in the US but this is a thing in my country) she accused my dad of violence, which of course wasn't true and also my dad had photos and their chats. I was 15 and had to leave with her but 2 months later her best friend's husband told my dad that he should take me away from her because my mom just wanted to be "free" and it wasn't a good environment for me. One week later she left me with my dad. Fast forward to now, my mom has been struggling economically ever since and lost her kids' trust. Mainwhile her best friends are living their best life with their families. It's sad bit it's their own stupid decisions.
Story 2, not only did she throw away her whole relationship for one night, it was for one night with someone she wasn't even into, it was a guy who had been pursuing her so she "knew he wouldn't say no". She fully took advantage of her assumption that he would cave and let her have her way with no repercussions.
Being pregnant, the third story makes me really sad for the women. My husband is so happy to help me through my entire pregnancy. He just called me on the way home from fishing to ask if I wanted him to pick me up breakfast. Being pregnant has made us closer in so many ways and my husband loves taking care of me and HIS baby. If he was any other way I would be so sad and insecure. If any other women in the comment section has been treated that way, I’m so sorry! You deserve the best.
Story 3: Agree with you guys about your decision as a whole and the guy's a total asshole but I think it's really inappropriate and dangerous to suggest that getting someone pregnant because they lied about being on the pill is somehow the fault of the person being lied to ?? I very much consider that sexual assault, (much like lying about wearing a condom, taking a condom off in the middle of sex, poking holes in a condom, lying about not having an STD, etc.) It's lying about something sexual with someone who would not have agreed to the sexual act if they knew the truth. And yes, everyone should be careful, but this feels like when people blame women for "choosing bad men". You can't choose a liar if you don't know they're lying. Good thing this didn't end up being the case in the story, but to hear you guys say it would have been his fault if it was is gross and disappointing to hear from people who usually take SA and mental health issues very seriously.
completely agree!! in my country it falls under reproductive abuse/coercion & in some cases is classified as "sperm theft"... i don't think it is punishable by jail time, but the man faulted does not have to legally be on the birth certificate & does not legally owe any care or child support to the child. the only unfortunate thing is it is really difficult to prove that is what happened. unless you have a confession from the woman, or indisputable evidence (like messages outling her plan, etc.) the woman can often claim birth control simply failed, it was an accident, & so on.
Super agree. It's so sad when a baby comes out of a manipulation and a lie. It's super sad we have to teach young men to trust 0 of their sexual partners but we do. It's not a good thing to trick someone into having a kid with you. It's super selfish and terrible for the child.
@frappoGarcia the hypothetical scenario they discuss at 1:16:40 "if she deceives you" & everything that follows is what this comment was referring to. including calling being deceived in this way an excuse saying "you need to keep your side of the road clean"... like... bruh.
As someone who has been cheated on and lied to in nearly every relationship; I understand Lauren’s skepticism and it sucks that it’s our first instinct to question everything because it’s real shit that has happened 😭 it’s not controlling bc it’s not something she’s actually doing/saying, she’s voicing the intrusive thoughts that do come up when thinking of that type of scenario and I 100% get it and am sorry you have to question those things as well. Sending love ❤️
Completely diregarding how fucked up it is to cheat and how no one should want to do that, living two lives sounds EXHAUSTING Like, living my One life is exhausting and im not married with kids, im a housekeeper who listens to reddit reading and im tired !!! Living two lives with two sets of kids and two partners sepearte, good GOD that sounds so tiring. Im tired just thinking about it. Where do you find the energy
Lol…Lauren saying golfing could be a cover up for cheating is TOO close to home for me. Ex cheated on me for ages and golf was a cover up often (and the day I found him out)
Story 1: When Lauren said “ugh, I hate it when the one who cheated plays the victim” I was like “omg yeah, this guy is DARVO-ing her!” For those not in the know, DARVO is an acronym used for identifying when someone is abusing you, and it stands for “Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim/Offender”. This dude hit the trifecta! He denied, denied, and denied some more in the face of overwhelming evidence that he’s a cheating mf, then he attacked her by constantly “flipping out” when she reacted to the new info, and then when she started up the divorce, he goes all “omg how could you do this to me, you’re breaking up our family, please don’t do this to me!” She ain’t doin’ shit bro, you’re facing the consequences of your own actions!! But that’s what they do, they try to make the victim into the offender. These are warning signs for escalating abuse, and I hope she’s able to smoothly and safely complete the divorce process.
The husband in the second story handled it so maturely. His responses were just stating facts. He did not yell (that we know of) or try to make her feel bad by emphasizing how terrible her behavior was.
I feel so bad for the wife in story 3. I'm 40 weeks pregnant and my fiancé has been amazing my whole pregnancy. I've had a relatively easy pregnancy and it is still the hardest thing I've ever done. This man has cleaned my puke out of the shower because he heard me throwing up while showering. He's had to put my pants on because I can't lift my leg and so many more things. He wants to go to every appointment with me, because it's OUR child.. if OP is like this during pregnancy, he's going to be useless postpartum.
I’m so happy he’s that sweet to you, but just know he may have made an enemy. Because I will definitely be holding my boyfriend to that standard whenever we have a kid lol. I’ve always grew around women that had to deal with pregnancy alone. I never even thought of the man’s role till I seen story three and your comment.
I totally get what Lauren was trying to say with the golf reference, she wasn't implying that golfers cheat. She was stating that a person who plays golf has the easiest cop-out IF he decided to cheat, it would be harder to suspect a person who devotes many many many hours to playing a sport. If my guy was gone for 6 hours "playing basketball" I would absolutely question him, on the other hand if he played golf I would simply say "It usually takes this long 🤷♀️". 14:06
Every Friday I clean my house while listening to THT. When I started cleaning today and nothing was uploaded, a little part of me freaked out. Refreshing YT and seeing this new episode up honestly calmed my anxiety. I didn’t realize how much this podcast has become a routine and a comfort object for me. But I am not mad about it! I love everything about THT! ❤️ thank you Morgan for all the hard work you put into this podcast for us fans.
I found this podcast while I was cleaning and have heard practically all the episodes in a time span of 2 months and was like dayuuum these kids always got me cleaning!!! cuz I’m all caught up 😂
My cousin got married at 20 and his wife was 17 1/2, they had 5 kids in 8 years and she had to have an emergency hysterectomy after the premature birth of their youngest son. It ended up being the biggest blessing because within a couple of years she was diagnosed with two auto immune diseases and probably would have continued having kids if not. They have had strains throughout with her many hospitalizations, almost losing their son twice, their daughter's diabetes diagnosis and other daughter's marriage breakdown but both were each others first and have just celebrated their 45th anniversary. I've lost both parents to cancer but can't imagine cheating because you had a hysterectomy. Yes, cancer is scary but she beat it and chose to do her own thing without even discussing it with her husband. She took her wants and ran with it.
I can’t believe the friends + fam agreed and had the bälls to confront him. I imagine those same women would be at his house w/torches if the roles were reversed.
Story 2: my cousin tried to do the same thing after she survived cancer. She would milk her cancer as much as possible and still does 5 years later, in order to get everyone around her to do what she wants. If you refuse (even nicely) she will treat you like you're a monster and will fake cry
I heard Story #2 before. So sad, because they should have come out on the other side stronger in their relationship (like it did for the husband from the sound of it initially), but the wife threw it all away for a selfish curiosity.
Story 2: After thinking about this one for a while, I wonder if the idea for cheating (and maybe even the Toxic Masculinity phrasing) came from the best friend. It is such a weird idea to originate from a woman in a 20+ year loving marriage. But, it could easily come from someone outside that marriage who is less devoted and wants to justify her own bad behavior by earwigging the idea into her more-faithful friend...
My grandpa lived a double life. It all was exposed when my grandma died. They had been married for 60 years! I grew up with my grandparents as my traditional elderly grandparents. My grandpa worked all the time. We joked about how weird it was, especially as he grew old past retirement age... Turns out, he had a double life, with a woman and a child that was his in the neighboring town. They all still live together! When my grandpa brought his 30 year old daughter to a family event after my grandma’s death, I asked him who she was. He introduced her as his daughter, when I questioned further, he yelled at me, called me names, and said I have no right to question him, and he never wishes to see me again. I told him I loved him and left the dinner. I have never spoken to him since. I can’t imagine how my grandma felt keeping up this lie for so many years! Decades. It turns out, according to family rumors, she knew, but had refused a divorce. Hence creating a lie that was our lives. It was heartbreaking realizing that We were the fake family. 😢
I want to be careful writing this cause I don't know the dynamic you have with him. But I think it is shitty he didn't want you asking natural questions anyone would ask, and completely leaves cause he thinks you had no right to ask questions literally anyone would ask. I hope you are doing ok.
Fun fact: you have to have consent from both parents to terminate parental rights. So someone can’t just drop them without both parents consent and a ruling by a judge that it’s in the best interest of the child.
Story 1: I would let him plan the anniversary party and then reach out to the other woman and invite her and her kids and just watch his reactions and tell everyone what he did
Story 4 is truly vile. OP’s husband would’ve been well aware there were cameras in the morgue and still did what he did knowing he’d get caught eventually. Also guessing he did this more than once or attempted to, which is probably why he got caught in the first place. He’s horrible; I wish the OP and her baby all the safety in the world
Something I just thought about with the necrophilia story, typically they seal records of minors. So if the MIL found it through a background check then it was likely after he turned 18. Absolute psychopath
Well it did say he worked at a hospital with access to a morgue, I don’t know why hospitals that would employ a minor so to me I assumed he had to be an adult right? But that’s also a good point that just further proves he couldn’t have been that “young and stupid”.
All I gotta say Lauren, is my grandfather was a HUGE golfer, even working in the golf industry for a long time. He cheated on my grandmother (I’m pretty sure it was more than once). Nobody saw it coming.
I had a hysterectomy in late 20s. I never once thought about cheating. I was most hurt that maybe one day my significant others was going to cheat or leave me because I would never be able to give him kids. But things has been nothing but bliss and he has been my rock throughout everything. I definitely felt life was too short after it and do all the things I always wanted to do with him by my side.
Story two is so sad, I’m glad OP was able to leave without regret or staying for something that was clearly hurtful & disrespectful. Really risked your whole marriage for something temporary.
WOW! I believe it’s story 2 with the lady that cheated on her husband because she had cancer. Well let me tell you I have the exactly same thing but never got a hysterectomy I’m going through the many surgeries needed for me to bring a child into the world but at NOOOOOO point would I ever wanna cheat on my partner that is an outrageous choice. Maybe you should have thought of that before you entered into a marriage. Some people’s ideas baffle me. I highly doubt she would feel the same way if her husband wanted that she would have been hurt so bad but just because she went though this she felt like she gets a whole new life or a new start but you forget about the family you already started wow that just sounds ridiculous smh🙄…..but aside from the crazy people of the world lol love the pod! And love your views on each story!
I seriously love your podcast!! I fall asleep to it (not to say it makes me sleep!) but it’s super smoothing and I love the flow of the story telling. Morgan, you have an excellent reading voice!
I’m still on story 1, but some quick context: The husband likely wasn’t calling the other woman the devil. He was likely referring to The Devil. It’s a thing religious people do; they blame the devil for their bad behavior, that way they don’t have to be accountable for anything.
Man I desperately wanted that wife to plan all of that only to be rejected by the coworker. I hope the guy finds someone who loves and respects him the way he deserves.
I was NOT prepared for story 4 😳😳😳😳😳😳 also - when it comes to SA, it’s usually more about power than it is sexual preference. It’s about the act of violence and not the sex act, so gender isn’t always a part of the equation for offenders. My assumption would be that it was an opportunistic choice (like the man was what was available to him at the moment he decided to go through with it) and not so much about him being a man. It’s definitely possible it was a sexual orientation thing, but we have to be careful about relating sexual preference and sexual deviance. They get lumped together a lot and it’s the root of the “lgbt are predators ” narrative.
Thank you for including this, that’s exactly right. That’s why a lot of sexual predators don’t have an exact “preference”, it’s about opportunity to them mostly. I mean their are some that have specific MO’s but most of the time it’s because it’s part of their pathology and even they will step out of those at times. Like for example Ted Bundy definitely had a type, long haired brunette women but even he didn’t just hurt women of his preferred type as he ended up victimizing a child at one point. So yeah, a lot of offenses are opportunistic. It comes down to power and control, a lot of the time it’s not even about “attraction” in the way normal people define it.
For the cancer story: Her friends, her mother, and herself kept repeating, "what she is going through", "her feelings.." etc, but no one ever considered what he went through as the one being there for her through the cancer, and the thoughts he could have had of losing his wife. If she didn't know how to cope with loosing her womanhood, she should've found therapy through the hospital that helped her. Not used cheating to cope. My godmother had breast cancer, and my mom had cervical cancer, we ALL hurt. Ofc we aren't the ones with cancer, but being there and seeing what your loved one is going through IS difficult. Also- the hospitals did offer counseling for the cancer victim, AND the family.
Story 3: Was anyone else really put off with the comments about "if she lied about being on birth control it's still his problem", taking responsibility for your sexual health is one thing but if you lie about being on birth control or putting on a condom etc. that's a consent issue.... OP was definitely a misleading ass but had it been a deception situation and a woman was on the other end I don't think the hosts would have been talking about sexual responsibility and consequences.
Story 3: about the projectile vomit, I projectile vomited on my labor and delivery nurse as they were getting ready to wheel me in for an emergency c-section. I had an experienced nurse and a nursing student in the room with me. The poor nursing student was already scared and was in the L&D room for the first time, after my vomit she looked horrified. Poor girl, hope it didn’t put her off from continuing nursing school.
I adore Morgan but sometimes she completely misunderstands what her friends are trying to say and watching her friends try to get her to get it is painful lol. All Lauren was trying to say is a man who claims to have golf as a hobby has a convenient excuse to be away from his wife for long periods of time and could plausibly spend that time with a second family. If your husband loves golf and is gone for 8 hours you aren't questioning it. If your partner is an avid runner and disappears for 8 hours you would be suspicious lol
OMG, I am catching up on some episodes, and I wish I knew you went to the Philippines!!! Glad that you had a blast seeing our culture and people. Enjoyed this episode immensely!
The audacity & behaviour in many of these stories is truly *diSGuSTAnGG* in different ways. The cheating husband (from story 1) & cheating wife (from story 2) are both very manipulative in dismissing ops very VALID feelings & blaming others for the consequences of their actions. The Wife in story 2 just refuses to take any responsibility for the hurt she caused. I sympathise with her health scare (it sounds terrifying) however she should be taking her husbands feelings into account or offered him the same choice. The fact she insisted they continue on as normal after the amount of disrespect she showed is wild
That girl is using her cancer as an excuse to do bs. Just look at her actions and you'll see that her fantasy of this 1 nighter with a colleague has a higher importance to her than her 20+ years with you. You stayed and took care care of her at her worst and she can't even pay you with respect or loyalty. Stand your ground and leave her. Unless your okay with her manipulating you with her cancer.
The husband is mad he’s not being waited on and babied by his 1950s housewife now that she’s pregnant, and that there’s any expectations of him. He paints that very clear picture when he says, she’s acting like my roommate and not my wife.
Story 1... you dont know what the girlfriend was told about the marriage. Her impression of his wife comes from him. These guys can be very convincing, especially when they are buying you a house! Most women would see that as a long term investment. GF was terrible to talk to the wife that way, but he is doing everything he can to convince her that he is in love. And ... because you are the bonus woman, and he always has an excuse to not treat you with the full commitment you deserve. So, you only get the best of him when you are together, so it feels like he is perfect. Except that he is unable to always be with you because he has children. He needs to be there for his kids. So, he is a good guy because he is doesnt want to leave his kids. They spin a story that convinces you that he has good reasons. He is the exception to your average cheating husband. He probably even believes it himself. So, the gf believes he loves her, truly, because he is taking such a risk to be with you. You never see him when he is at his worst, as he comes and goes as he pleases. He always has his first family as an excuse to not be there for you full time. You believe him when he says that he will leave and gives convincing reasons for why it can't be now. And they usually choose people who are easy to manipulate into believing them. They are expert liars, and lie as a reflex, so it is easier to believe them. Most other women are not the trashy women that society imagine. They aren't the vixen that lures married men to their web. They are usually confused about what real love is after a series of bad relationships and willing or convinced into having these relationships.
Stage 1 uterine cancer survivor here. All I have to say is WHAT THE FUCK. Yeah cancer is scary and depending having to decide what route to take is a sobering decision. I'm not invalidating what she went through. HOWEVER, stage 1 is hardly staring death in the face. I think she saw this diagnosis and decided that this is a perfect excuse to push the limits of how much her loyal and committed husband would let her do. Once again, I hade stage 2 and at no time did I ever feel close to mortality. And on the "femininity" subject: women get hysterectomies every day for much more terrifying and intense reasons and don'take it an excuse to yolo their relationship away. Man I'm heated!
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I just want to clarify that I think golf is a great sport and wonderful when people find activities that they love! I hope no one feels like I was speaking negatively on the sport or has anxiety around their partner playing! It was meant to just be silly banter about how time consuming the sport is 💛⛳️
It was a good laugh, Lauren, no worries. 🤣
girl don’t explain yourself to these people l!!!
You give off the kindest vibe of everyone on this entire podcast, anyone saying you were malicious are just using you as a punching bag for all the crap in their lives
Not at all!! The perceptive people watching totally understood what you meant. You didn't say golfers were cheaters, but IF they decided to, they would have the biggest cop-out because of all the time golfing entails.
Aww Lauren, you're sweet. But F those golf playing cheaters 😂
Going from "my roommates pregnant" to "the baby is mine" to "my wife is pregnant with my child which we planned for" is WILD
My mouth is still agape
I am shook
Fr. It's almost like he expected his wife to be the exact same with a watermelon forming in her stomach
I read that post and was BLOWN AWAY. He's already such a deadbeat.
Right!
Story 2: cancer survivor here…she is using her cancer as an excuse to be an awful person. OP should walk away (written before the update was read)
Good for him!
Sounds more like a midlife crisis supported by toxic friends (I haven't heard the update yet either😂)
That was my first thought too…
OP: “What should I do besides walk away?”
Me: “No, no ‘besides’. Walk away.”
Cancer survivor here too, however male. OP's wife, friends and mother are just pure garbage. The daughter begging OP to give his wife a second chance has me thinking, that the wife is manipulating the daughter in order to manipulate OP, which makes her even more of a garbage person. As someone who has had a partner go through the whole cancer process with them, it wouldn't even cross my mind to want a hall pass, because I was close to death or whatever.
I think Morgan put it the best, she should have talked to him and not taken his choice away and rushed him into it.
Story 1: Bragging about being a good woman to a man you have to HIDE is crazy 😂
INSANE lol
Srsly can't fathom being THAT outta touch with reality 💀 bitch at the end of the day YOU'RE the side piece? Are you on drugs?😅
Calling the wife a gold digger and he's the one spending money on you and bought you a house.
@@feliciahorton2355
Pot calling the kettle black
That wife is such a 👸
About the 2nd story:
Why is everybody only talking about what SHE went through? HE was confronted with the possible death of his wife of over 20 years! That's traumatic too.
It’s easy for wife’s friends and relatives to care about her, because in the end it’s about *their* almost-loss of her. She could have disappeared and in the process lost a crucial part of her womanhood (saying that one loosely, since it’s not the organ that makes a woman), so for them it’s vital for her to do everything she want to “recover”, because this way her circle can feel that they will recover with her.
The husband in this is forgotten, unfortunately. I think it’s equally the personal callousness and human nature. It’s easy to not pay attention to things that are good and okay, and since the husband was there the whole time and didn’t break down, wife and her circle got a feeling that he will be there no matter what.
Good for him to leave. With wife having a whole cheerleading team, she can’t confront how horrible her behavior is - all she will hear is how she is in the right and how wrong her husband is. Especially with her comment about how she confidently thought that the marriage “won’t end over this”. I think with her echo chamber she forgot that she is not the only one in the marriage
I totally agree, I see people react different to cancer and death. Sometimes people in their last days can be selfish, I saw that happen a few times. But still never like this form of hedonism. but It’s so weird that her environment just all agreed with this that no one said the truth to her. She sounds like the trauma caused her personality to change and not for the better.
Thank you every time they said what she bent through I screamed what about what he’s been through yes she had cancer and struggled with that but she didn’t go through it by herself sounds to me he stood by her every step of the way probably putting on a brave face for her but also being worried that he potentially could be losing the love of his life. Then for her to turn around and disrespect him like that is so heartbreaking
This! And as someone whose dealing with possible uterine cancer myself he had to deal with everything leading up to it sexually too and didn’t seem to flinch or blink he stayed by her side and carried her when she needed it… I agree with Lauren to throw that away for an orgasm, for sex… not worth it.
as a child of someone who survived cancer (twice), I can confirm that it’s equally traumatic for everyone in the family. my mother felt no urge to cheat after getting her breast removed. and as someone who has been in a polyamorous relationship, polyamory only works if everyone in the relationship is aware and 100% comfortable with the established rules and boundaries. if you break those rules and cross those boundaries, you’re cheating, end of story.
the way that the mistress in story #1 says that the wife’s a gold digger but yet the man bought her a house and literally everything she needs
So ironic that I'm questioning my ear when listening that part
Projection at its finest
With his wife's and his company money at that 😂 like dude
Why do I feel like this was the best lineup of stories they’ve ever had
Damn I feel so good now 💕
ME TOO!
AGREED
literally. since chris was on i’ve been waiting for the jaw dropping juicy drama stories and this did that
I agree!!
"Is this your child?" "YES" is a plot twist I could not have seen coming.
The way I flipped out.. like WHAT!!?
I was literally taking a sip of coffee at that moment and spat it out
I've never dropped my phone so fast. That plot twist is insane! 😂
The strongest deadlift champion could not lift my jaw off the floor when the "yes" dropped
I wasn’t ready 😂
Just FYI Story 2 has more updates. Apparently the friend had convinced her to do the cheating. Hubby told all the husbands of her friends. A few of the women had actually been cheating. So others got divorced and some went into couples therapy possibly.
Whaaatttttttt😢. Those bitches!!!
Women are the WORST
Dang. A classic "tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who your are".
This comment needs more likes! Thanks for the update!
Woah 😮
Story 2: she thought op was so obsessed with her that he would never leave but thing about having a man that is obsessed with you is that you should NEVER take that love for granted. Imagine having a man in love with you for over 20 years and just throwing it away like it’s nothing… could never. Would never. Glad op walked away when he realized he was being taken advantage of. She took his kindness for weakness
👏🏼 yes
V much giving Vanessa and Zander if ykyk #theultimatumlesbian
She got greedy. The cancer made her realise she wanted to put her desires before anything else. Which is fine generally speaking. She just didn't understand that's what being single means. She looked back on every concession she's made in their marriage and lost sight on the mountain of benefits she received in return. Sad she let her friends speak louder than her husband, daughter or therapist. Fuck around and find out will feel very lonely now.
My favorite episodes are the ones with Lauren. She is so fun to listen to because she’s just being herself. She doesn’t constantly filter herself to say the most correct answer. I feel like some of the guests use therapist lingo/try to give a super mature or professional reactions. Don’t get me wrong I love everyone on the podcast and I’m thankful for everyone’s contribution. But I just especially love Lauren’s approach. She doesn’t take herself too seriously or feel like she needs to give therapist grade advice/takes. I prefer hearing takes that feel human and relatable rather than takes that feel overly mature or professional. I love the episodes that just feel like girls chatting about gossip and being silly.
This is such a kind comment 🥹 Thank you so much, you beautiful human 💛 You’re going to make me cry 🥹
Many more of us agree! We love hearing you in the episodes :) @@Lauren-ib3ok
Same, Lauren is 🐐
@@Lauren-ib3okyou’re great and real. Sorry Morgan always knocks you down. It’s so annoying to hear the way she talks to you sometimes
I love when Lauren is in the vids! She’s so refreshing
i can’t believe he called the MOTHER OF HIS CHILD his “roommate” my jaw dropped. the disrespect is beyond and disgusting
Not only the mother of his child. That’s his wife!😭
my mind is blown...this dude should be no where near the kid I hope the wife files what she needs to get far away from this crazy dude.@@deanna.rodrigues
He had me in the first half of the story, because honestly, if she really was his roommate, I’d agree that it’s none of his responsibility all of that stuff she was asking of him.
I wasn’t ready for that plot twist 😂
Honestly, if I was his wife I'd abort his child, divorce him, and find someone who actually wants to be a partner and parent. If he doesn't want to be supportive he can be alone with *no* family.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. Like I'm genuinely confused why she bred with him
I feel so bad for the guy who’s wife had cancer. He deserves better
This sounds so fucked up out of context lmao
@@captainnappyhair lmao I just read my comment back and you’re so right 😂
100%-- she is an awful human being
@@captainnappyhair😂😂😂 that’s what I thought before hearing the story LOL
I’d be depressed to find out that I spent 20+ years of my life on someone that shallow 🥲
Seeing this episode pop up felt like stumbling upon a bottle of water in the desert 😂 The excitement and relief is real
no seriously 😭😭
The way I refreshed their page a million times yesterday waiting for the next episode I've never been more excited to receive a RUclips notification lol
Same!!
Morgan, the queen of *almost* getting sayings right 😅
I always think it’s gonna stop but it doesn’t 😂
I like it. It’s a two’fer.
Props to her though, she did get “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” correct! 😄
Lolol
Fall on your sword! Haha I love her
Story two: as someone who has had cancer, the wife can f**k all the way off! It's awful & traumatic to deal with & often leaves psychological scars, but none of that gives you licence to cheat or unilaterally decide you're opening your marriage (which in my view is still cheating).
That’s great! Yes i find it sickening that she + her goons think that’s an excuse. Imagine if he had the diagnosis, she nursed him bk to health + he thanked her by walking arm in arm into a hotel room w/some work chick bc… “my life.” We could all die today. Doesn’t gv us the _hall pass_ to hurt the ppl in our life.
Exactly and when it comes to like opening the relationship whether it's just to have some fun or going full polyamory both people have to be on board. If either person is if he and not wanting to and the other still goes through with it it's cheating it is disrespectful of boundaries.
I said the same thing I have uterine tumors and am having a hysterectomy in two days. My fiancé is my rock and I don’t care if it was Jason Mammoa this wouldn’t even cross my mind…
"unilaterally decide you're opening your marriage (which in my view is still cheating)"
As a non-monogamous person, I couldn't have said it better myself. I am Polyamorous, and NONE of my partners would dare treat me like OP's wife did....
I would leave. her. ass.
Hell no, that is for SURE cheating
Being a proud side chick is insane behavior. She dug her grave though and OP is going to come out better for it
The wife cheating story is WILD. I really wish he had said “don’t worry I’m taking the decision away from you” when she said they weren’t going to get a divorce 😂😂😂 she took a nose dive into crazytown. That’s pure narcissistic behavior
That one comment calling op narcissistic made my blood boil. OP had every right to walk away
Lauren saying, “I don’t know golfers to be cheaters” while I yell “TIGER WOOOOODS” at my phone lmao
😂😂😂
Same! I was like fwiw one of the most legendary golfer is a legendary cheater as well.
The golf comment was 10/10. Lauren just gets it.
YES!! I'm so glad my husband isn't a golfer. I swear we probably wouldn't be married if he was.
She’s not a golfer 😂 - I golf with my partner.
@@ErinThePsychicWitch i also golf with my boyfriend
I loveee how she constantly backtracks and tries to over explain herself but sometimes she can’t help but blurt her opinion
That second story is so sad. It sounds like the wife hasn’t properly dealt with the lingering trauma from her cancer experience and instead of dealing with it in a healthy way-communication, personal therapy, couples therapy, surrounding herself with uplifting ppl-she used her cancer experience as a manipulation tool.
Either that or she’s genuinely a nasty person… in that case, it’s good to remember that sick ppl can be jerks too and make bad decisions, their history doesn’t excuse any of that.
Right either way she needs to bring her ass to therapy TBH I feel like it should be required that anybody who survives anything like cancer they are legally obligated go to therapy and the gov should pay for it if they already don't have insurance
Of course a woman will try desperately to justify another woman cheating
She's a nasty person, there is no question. No sure, wjy everyone is shooting her bail. If a man did this, no woman in these comments would be so understanding.
We need another episode Lauren, Alejandra, and Morgan!!!
we recorded one. coming in a week or two and utter chaos so be careful what you wish for
@@TwoHotTakescant wait!
Alabrandra??
Probs meant to say j
Her name is alejandra tho
The necrophilia story made me feel so sick to my stomach. OP is so lucky she got out before the baby arrived.
Oh god I haven’t finished that one yet I’m scard
I just ate and am sitting here with a sick stomach.
More context for the necrophilia story, most morgues and mortuaries try to hire women because men assault bodies quite regularly 😱 it's disgusting and also common.
NO BC THE WAY NO ONE ELSE HAS COMMENTED ABOUT THIS???
No fucking way!! That is disgusting! It's common?? To the point hiring managers try to choose women. . .😟🤮 and there's no distinction between male or female corpses? That is super disturbing. Thank you for sharing this, I had no idea.
Honestly, with this story, if I was OP I would call his bluff and say something like "well if it's in the past ad doesn't matter, then we can just bring it up whenever, I can talk to your mum/bbest friend/colleagues about this right" and see how quickly his demeanour changes
@@rachelanderson5608it’s not common. There was one man prosecuted for this. A misandrist TikTok went viral with this info saying it’s common and people ran with it.
@@meowiestwoare you kidding? The whole reason the position of coroner is an elected official(who could have no medical degree) is bc there aren’t enough forensic pathologists. If you’re curious, John Oliver did a special about death investigations and a good documentary to watch is “Post Mortem: Death Investigations In America.” Let’s also not forget, famously Marilyn Monroe’s body was missing for hours after she died. 😒
One of the reasons you find It so difficult to find cases on It is because they aren’t made known to the public. Because it’s not a murder, it’s not sensationalized. It’s a private criminal case. Do you hear about every sentencing in your local court house? Furthermore, many are not caught for a long time if ever and then when they are, top officials do their best to keep It under wraps/discreet so that It doesn’t become a sensation. This is why they have numbers for case studies but you don’t have names.
Some stats: Rosman and Resnick reviewed 123 cases of necrophilia. The sample was divided into genuine necrophiliacs, who had a persistent attraction to corpses, and pseudo-necrophiliacs, who acted out of opportunity, sadism, or transient interest. Of the total, 92% were male and 8% were female. 57% of the genuine necrophiliacs had occupational access to corpses, with morgue attendants, hospital orderly, and cemetery employees being the most common jobs. (published in the journal The Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law)
If you want an open relationship, then just ask your partner. If they say no, either stay by them and in a closed relationship or break up with them.
I’m fine with having an open relationship. But cheating behind someone’s back is horrible. If you can’t be in a closed relationship without cheating, don’t be in a closed relationship.
exactly. i learned my lesson and now i have to preface to people that i would be more willing to open the relationship than if they cheat. cheating, unacceptable… communication, perfectly okay.
Story 2: calling it, the downvoted comment was totally being written by someone who cheats. Most decent polygamous people I know tend to be pretty understanding that polygamy isn't for everyone and that it's good to respect boundaries.
The polyamory route would be closer to what Morgan said:
1. Hey hubby, been having these feelings...
2. Therapist, to make sure it's not some childhood/other trauma
3. Build a strong relationship with husband
4. Then a year or two later, if still feel like it, discuss again what would be acceptable for both.
5. If he would not be open to any form of threesome/open/lover, but she feels 100% it's the direction of her life, then they should use 1 more year for an amicable divorce. 6. THEN she could build new relationships that meet her new needs.
Polygamy or polyamory? Many people use the two interchangeably and I just want to understand which one you meant.
@@laurlaurmarmar7697 great question, I wonder this too.
I am polyamorous, and I actually really feel uncomfortable when people refer to polyamory or open relationships or more nuanced non-monogamous structures as polygamous. These are different things with different social, structural, and emotional implications @randomtology would you please clarify? No issue if you just didn't understand the terms were different. If you don't know how they are different, I would actually feel really happy to explain that to you, no judgement!
@@PenelopeAstony can you explain the difference please cause I’m super confused 😊 no judgement, I just like to understand things correctly!
@@alishabuckle2371 OH, I love how you phrased this comment
As someone who has had a hysterectomy because of ovarian cancer and yes you do face your mortality. Yes you do face the death of your own womanhood. It is traumatizing and heartbreaking. But no, I would NEVER treat my partner that way. There is no excuse. She's a pos.
Honest question: how is it a death of your womanhood? Only because you cannot have children any more or does it have some other physical (hormonal??) effects?
@@MyBlackSheepa bit of both. A total hysterectomy has the effect of producing early menopause due to the fact that the ovaries are removed and you can’t naturally produce your hormones anymore, it can be really difficult to deal with that since it can have a lot of physical side effects. But also in a symbolic sense- many women tie their womanhood to their reproductive cycles. The ability to have periods, make and develop life and eventually bear that life is synonymous to womanhood traditionally. It can really shake things up when you realise that those functions are taken away from you, either through biological or medical means, i hope that makes sense!
@@PersephonesWrath_Thanks!
❤
To have a hall pass with a DOWN GRADE and dishonor your 20 YEAR marriage is WILD
Story 1: That was so satisfying!!! I think he stayed with her because he is scared to lose half his business and assets when the divorce happens. He was trying to stay on her good side.
Can we PLEASE clarify that having something like a hysterectomy does NOT make you any less of a woman or "take away" your womanhood. The ability to birth doesn't give you the stamp of womanhood. There are plenty of women, including cis women who cannot give birth, yet they are still women. Love y'all!
I had a hysterectomy at 30 years old. Yes it can feel like a blow but that is not a reason to cheat and take away your spouses agency. I can’t even imagine hurting someone like that, even when I was hurting the most. Divorce was necessary in this case because she is a selfish narcissistic waste of air.
Also, as a Filipina who watches every episode multiple times (I like to fall asleep to it on Spotify) I so appreciate the shoutout. Lauren has always been my favorite. 😌💕✨
I adore you ☺️💛
@Lauren-ib3ok why am I only watching this now and not knowing Lauren went here 😢
Lauren saying “that’s why I’ll never date a golfer” I doubled-over laughing on the toilet
Necrophilia story: i get not saying anything about a criminal history while dating someone but you gotta drop that info before marrying the person.
The story about the wife having cancer.. I havent finished your takes on it yet but I feel as though the fact that HE went through something traumatic as well is being completely glossed over. Imagine getting the news that your partner got a cancer diagnosis, it seems as though he may be an overthinker anyway and I'm sure that sent his brain into a spiral of what ifs and I myself know what its like to break your own heart over hypotheticals, especially when that hypothetical is losing your partner due to them dying. I'm glad she was able to make a full recovery but I'm sure at some point that man had to face the idea of "what if my wife doesn't beat this?" And if he was there for her the way he's claiming to have been, I'm sure he had many traumatizing moments as well. My heart breaks for him.
I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this. He said he wasn't worried, but watching your spouse go through cancer treatment and other traumatic events is traumatic in itself. It is so bizarre that his wife did not appreciate the person that was there to support her every step of the way.
Thank you for reminding us this aspect. Now it gives another layer of heartbreak
I really wonder if part of her motivation was a perceived lack of reaction. He said in the beginning that he was never worried that she was going to die - why not?? I get that it's an early stage but she still needed a total hysterectomy. It feels like maybe he was repressing a bigger reaction to his wife having a serious health scare, or putting on a brave face or something, and maybe that led to his wife thinking she wasn't valued. Absolutely doesn't excuse her behavior, she was way out of line. This should have gone to couples therapy before it went to taking away his say in their marriage. Her selfish behavior is inexcusable and this relationship was over the second she said she was doing this without his permission.
With story one, if the mistress knew about the wife, depending on what state you live in, she can get sued as well that’s what happened to the singer Fantasia Barrino she got sued for alienation of affection
Story 2 hits home because that's how my parents divorced. Minus the cancer, my mom's best friends kept talking her into cheating on my dad and when my dad realized, into divorcing him. When she realized she would get nothing because of cheating and home abandonment (idk in the US but this is a thing in my country) she accused my dad of violence, which of course wasn't true and also my dad had photos and their chats. I was 15 and had to leave with her but 2 months later her best friend's husband told my dad that he should take me away from her because my mom just wanted to be "free" and it wasn't a good environment for me. One week later she left me with my dad. Fast forward to now, my mom has been struggling economically ever since and lost her kids' trust. Mainwhile her best friends are living their best life with their families. It's sad bit it's their own stupid decisions.
Story 2, not only did she throw away her whole relationship for one night, it was for one night with someone she wasn't even into, it was a guy who had been pursuing her so she "knew he wouldn't say no". She fully took advantage of her assumption that he would cave and let her have her way with no repercussions.
Story 01: i hope OP takes him to the cleaners. That side bish is ending up on the streets. The way she spoke to OP made my blood boil
Same!!! I had to take a moment and breathe!!
Being pregnant, the third story makes me really sad for the women. My husband is so happy to help me through my entire pregnancy. He just called me on the way home from fishing to ask if I wanted him to pick me up breakfast. Being pregnant has made us closer in so many ways and my husband loves taking care of me and HIS baby. If he was any other way I would be so sad and insecure. If any other women in the comment section has been treated that way, I’m so sorry! You deserve the best.
Story 3: Agree with you guys about your decision as a whole and the guy's a total asshole but I think it's really inappropriate and dangerous to suggest that getting someone pregnant because they lied about being on the pill is somehow the fault of the person being lied to ?? I very much consider that sexual assault, (much like lying about wearing a condom, taking a condom off in the middle of sex, poking holes in a condom, lying about not having an STD, etc.) It's lying about something sexual with someone who would not have agreed to the sexual act if they knew the truth. And yes, everyone should be careful, but this feels like when people blame women for "choosing bad men". You can't choose a liar if you don't know they're lying. Good thing this didn't end up being the case in the story, but to hear you guys say it would have been his fault if it was is gross and disappointing to hear from people who usually take SA and mental health issues very seriously.
completely agree!! in my country it falls under reproductive abuse/coercion & in some cases is classified as "sperm theft"... i don't think it is punishable by jail time, but the man faulted does not have to legally be on the birth certificate & does not legally owe any care or child support to the child.
the only unfortunate thing is it is really difficult to prove that is what happened. unless you have a confession from the woman, or indisputable evidence (like messages outling her plan, etc.) the woman can often claim birth control simply failed, it was an accident, & so on.
Super agree. It's so sad when a baby comes out of a manipulation and a lie. It's super sad we have to teach young men to trust 0 of their sexual partners but we do. It's not a good thing to trick someone into having a kid with you. It's super selfish and terrible for the child.
Did I missed something? They read an OPs comment that say the baby was planned
@frappoGarcia the hypothetical scenario they discuss at 1:16:40 "if she deceives you" & everything that follows is what this comment was referring to.
including calling being deceived in this way an excuse saying "you need to keep your side of the road clean"... like... bruh.
Story 2… cancer is not an excuse, she has a man good enough who actually stayed by her side. Mine left after I got chronically ill
I also have an immense fear of people reading my mind in public Morgan! You’re not alone out here lol
Whenever I'm thinking something and the person looks at me I'm like oh shit, can they read my mind?! 😂😂😂
i sporadically scream in my head just in case any mind readers are listening to catch them off guard
@@ladieslovecj me too!!
I do too! Hahaha!!
Same
As someone who has been cheated on and lied to in nearly every relationship; I understand Lauren’s skepticism and it sucks that it’s our first instinct to question everything because it’s real shit that has happened 😭 it’s not controlling bc it’s not something she’s actually doing/saying, she’s voicing the intrusive thoughts that do come up when thinking of that type of scenario and I 100% get it and am sorry you have to question those things as well. Sending love ❤️
Completely diregarding how fucked up it is to cheat and how no one should want to do that, living two lives sounds EXHAUSTING
Like, living my One life is exhausting and im not married with kids, im a housekeeper who listens to reddit reading and im tired !!! Living two lives with two sets of kids and two partners sepearte, good GOD that sounds so tiring. Im tired just thinking about it. Where do you find the energy
Lauren was diabolical while reading her story, I could tell something was up with the mischievous glances she would make at Morgan 😂😂.
Lol…Lauren saying golfing could be a cover up for cheating is TOO close to home for me. Ex cheated on me for ages and golf was a cover up often (and the day I found him out)
i read story 3 on my feed yesterday… hearing morgan say “your her roommate not her baby daddy!” and just waiting for the truth to hit
Story 3- it's really scary because so much domestic abuse starts in pregnancy
Story 1: When Lauren said “ugh, I hate it when the one who cheated plays the victim” I was like “omg yeah, this guy is DARVO-ing her!” For those not in the know, DARVO is an acronym used for identifying when someone is abusing you, and it stands for “Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim/Offender”. This dude hit the trifecta! He denied, denied, and denied some more in the face of overwhelming evidence that he’s a cheating mf, then he attacked her by constantly “flipping out” when she reacted to the new info, and then when she started up the divorce, he goes all “omg how could you do this to me, you’re breaking up our family, please don’t do this to me!” She ain’t doin’ shit bro, you’re facing the consequences of your own actions!! But that’s what they do, they try to make the victim into the offender. These are warning signs for escalating abuse, and I hope she’s able to smoothly and safely complete the divorce process.
The husband in the second story handled it so maturely. His responses were just stating facts. He did not yell (that we know of) or try to make her feel bad by emphasizing how terrible her behavior was.
I feel so bad for the wife in story 3. I'm 40 weeks pregnant and my fiancé has been amazing my whole pregnancy. I've had a relatively easy pregnancy and it is still the hardest thing I've ever done. This man has cleaned my puke out of the shower because he heard me throwing up while showering. He's had to put my pants on because I can't lift my leg and so many more things. He wants to go to every appointment with me, because it's OUR child.. if OP is like this during pregnancy, he's going to be useless postpartum.
I’m so happy he’s that sweet to you, but just know he may have made an enemy. Because I will definitely be holding my boyfriend to that standard whenever we have a kid lol. I’ve always grew around women that had to deal with pregnancy alone. I never even thought of the man’s role till I seen story three and your comment.
I totally get what Lauren was trying to say with the golf reference, she wasn't implying that golfers cheat.
She was stating that a person who plays golf has the easiest cop-out IF he decided to cheat, it would be harder to suspect a person who devotes many many many hours to playing a sport.
If my guy was gone for 6 hours "playing basketball" I would absolutely question him, on the other hand if he played golf I would simply say "It usually takes this long 🤷♀️". 14:06
Gross fact about necrophilia you can give your partner a bacterial/fungal infection from the dead tissue
Omg, yikes!!!
Ive never have gotten so enraged at a story before but story 2 got me screaming in my car
I can feel my heart rate rising
Every Friday I clean my house while listening to THT. When I started cleaning today and nothing was uploaded, a little part of me freaked out. Refreshing YT and seeing this new episode up honestly calmed my anxiety. I didn’t realize how much this podcast has become a routine and a comfort object for me. But I am not mad about it! I love everything about THT! ❤️ thank you Morgan for all the hard work you put into this podcast for us fans.
I also clean while listening!
I found this podcast while I was cleaning and have heard practically all the episodes in a time span of 2 months and was like dayuuum these kids always got me cleaning!!! cuz I’m all caught up 😂
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My cousin got married at 20 and his wife was 17 1/2, they had 5 kids in 8 years and she had to have an emergency hysterectomy after the premature birth of their youngest son. It ended up being the biggest blessing because within a couple of years she was diagnosed with two auto immune diseases and probably would have continued having kids if not. They have had strains throughout with her many hospitalizations, almost losing their son twice, their daughter's diabetes diagnosis and other daughter's marriage breakdown but both were each others first and have just celebrated their 45th anniversary. I've lost both parents to cancer but can't imagine cheating because you had a hysterectomy. Yes, cancer is scary but she beat it and chose to do her own thing without even discussing it with her husband. She took her wants and ran with it.
I can’t believe the friends + fam agreed and had the bälls to confront him. I imagine those same women would be at his house w/torches if the roles were reversed.
@@LLynneMa million percent
‘Her hot little butt walking around the office’ took me alllll the way out Morgan lmaoo
Story 2: my cousin tried to do the same thing after she survived cancer. She would milk her cancer as much as possible and still does 5 years later, in order to get everyone around her to do what she wants. If you refuse (even nicely) she will treat you like you're a monster and will fake cry
I heard Story #2 before. So sad, because they should have come out on the other side stronger in their relationship (like it did for the husband from the sound of it initially), but the wife threw it all away for a selfish curiosity.
Story 2: After thinking about this one for a while, I wonder if the idea for cheating (and maybe even the Toxic Masculinity phrasing) came from the best friend. It is such a weird idea to originate from a woman in a 20+ year loving marriage. But, it could easily come from someone outside that marriage who is less devoted and wants to justify her own bad behavior by earwigging the idea into her more-faithful friend...
That is exactly where it came from
My grandpa lived a double life. It all was exposed when my grandma died. They had been married for 60 years! I grew up with my grandparents as my traditional elderly grandparents. My grandpa worked all the time. We joked about how weird it was, especially as he grew old past retirement age... Turns out, he had a double life, with a woman and a child that was his in the neighboring town. They all still live together! When my grandpa brought his 30 year old daughter to a family event after my grandma’s death, I asked him who she was. He introduced her as his daughter, when I questioned further, he yelled at me, called me names, and said I have no right to question him, and he never wishes to see me again. I told him I loved him and left the dinner. I have never spoken to him since. I can’t imagine how my grandma felt keeping up this lie for so many years! Decades. It turns out, according to family rumors, she knew, but had refused a divorce. Hence creating a lie that was our lives. It was heartbreaking realizing that We were the fake family. 😢
I want to be careful writing this cause I don't know the dynamic you have with him. But I think it is shitty he didn't want you asking natural questions anyone would ask, and completely leaves cause he thinks you had no right to ask questions literally anyone would ask. I hope you are doing ok.
Story 2: Wife is trying to manipulate him with her “requests!” That’s a terrible thing to do to your partner!
Over 2 hours! We are so spoiled. Thank you, Morgan!
Story 4: the gasp I let out when you said necrophilia, then I got an ad and I was just like 🧍♀️😦
story 2 has me in SHOCK…… I’ve watched this podcast for forever so it’s not often that y’all shock me anymore but oh my god that woman is CRAZY
oh IM a lazy bitch???
*laughs in i’m the owner of this HOUSE*
Fun fact: you have to have consent from both parents to terminate parental rights. So someone can’t just drop them without both parents consent and a ruling by a judge that it’s in the best interest of the child.
Story 1: I would let him plan the anniversary party and then reach out to the other woman and invite her and her kids and just watch his reactions and tell everyone what he did
Story 4 is truly vile. OP’s husband would’ve been well aware there were cameras in the morgue and still did what he did knowing he’d get caught eventually. Also guessing he did this more than once or attempted to, which is probably why he got caught in the first place. He’s horrible; I wish the OP and her baby all the safety in the world
Story 3. My grandmother always told me never to date someone I didn't want to marry. "You just may fall in love".
Good advice
They are married
TWO HOURS!?! Girl you better deliver this more often I love the long episodes 😭❤️
Something I just thought about with the necrophilia story, typically they seal records of minors. So if the MIL found it through a background check then it was likely after he turned 18. Absolute psychopath
Well it did say he worked at a hospital with access to a morgue, I don’t know why hospitals that would employ a minor so to me I assumed he had to be an adult right? But that’s also a good point that just further proves he couldn’t have been that “young and stupid”.
All I gotta say Lauren, is my grandfather was a HUGE golfer, even working in the golf industry for a long time. He cheated on my grandmother (I’m pretty sure it was more than once). Nobody saw it coming.
I had a hysterectomy in late 20s. I never once thought about cheating. I was most hurt that maybe one day my significant others was going to cheat or leave me because I would never be able to give him kids. But things has been nothing but bliss and he has been my rock throughout everything. I definitely felt life was too short after it and do all the things I always wanted to do with him by my side.
Story two is so sad, I’m glad OP was able to leave without regret or staying for something that was clearly hurtful & disrespectful. Really risked your whole marriage for something temporary.
Not even through the first story yet and my initial reaction is HELL NAURRR. That house would be a pile of ashes with him in it❤
The "roommate" story was WILD!! Love when people bury the fkn lede lmao!
(ETA: I suggested that theme on insta!! So glad your making it can't wait!❤❤)
Yesssss thank you!! It’s going to be a good one. Send any stories you think fit my way
WOW! I believe it’s story 2 with the lady that cheated on her husband because she had cancer. Well let me tell you I have the exactly same thing but never got a hysterectomy I’m going through the many surgeries needed for me to bring a child into the world but at NOOOOOO point would I ever wanna cheat on my partner that is an outrageous choice. Maybe you should have thought of that before you entered into a marriage. Some people’s ideas baffle me. I highly doubt she would feel the same way if her husband wanted that she would have been hurt so bad but just because she went though this she felt like she gets a whole new life or a new start but you forget about the family you already started wow that just sounds ridiculous smh🙄…..but aside from the crazy people of the world lol love the pod! And love your views on each story!
I seriously love your podcast!! I fall asleep to it (not to say it makes me sleep!) but it’s super smoothing and I love the flow of the story telling. Morgan, you have an excellent reading voice!
Story 4, all I can think is that poor old man! Being taken advantage of like that in death, makes me feel SICK
I’m still on story 1, but some quick context:
The husband likely wasn’t calling the other woman the devil. He was likely referring to The Devil. It’s a thing religious people do; they blame the devil for their bad behavior, that way they don’t have to be accountable for anything.
Man I desperately wanted that wife to plan all of that only to be rejected by the coworker. I hope the guy finds someone who loves and respects him the way he deserves.
I was NOT prepared for story 4 😳😳😳😳😳😳 also - when it comes to SA, it’s usually more about power than it is sexual preference. It’s about the act of violence and not the sex act, so gender isn’t always a part of the equation for offenders. My assumption would be that it was an opportunistic choice (like the man was what was available to him at the moment he decided to go through with it) and not so much about him being a man. It’s definitely possible it was a sexual orientation thing, but we have to be careful about relating sexual preference and sexual deviance. They get lumped together a lot and it’s the root of the “lgbt are predators ” narrative.
Thank you for including this, that’s exactly right. That’s why a lot of sexual predators don’t have an exact “preference”, it’s about opportunity to them mostly. I mean their are some that have specific MO’s but most of the time it’s because it’s part of their pathology and even they will step out of those at times. Like for example Ted Bundy definitely had a type, long haired brunette women but even he didn’t just hurt women of his preferred type as he ended up victimizing a child at one point. So yeah, a lot of offenses are opportunistic. It comes down to power and control, a lot of the time it’s not even about “attraction” in the way normal people define it.
For the cancer story: Her friends, her mother, and herself kept repeating, "what she is going through", "her feelings.." etc, but no one ever considered what he went through as the one being there for her through the cancer, and the thoughts he could have had of losing his wife. If she didn't know how to cope with loosing her womanhood, she should've found therapy through the hospital that helped her. Not used cheating to cope.
My godmother had breast cancer, and my mom had cervical cancer, we ALL hurt. Ofc we aren't the ones with cancer, but being there and seeing what your loved one is going through IS difficult. Also- the hospitals did offer counseling for the cancer victim, AND the family.
I was doing dishes and I heard “tw necrophilia” and I whipped my head around in shock 😂
Ok wow the second fkn video- that poor husband deserves better and to be with someone new
Story 3: Was anyone else really put off with the comments about "if she lied about being on birth control it's still his problem", taking responsibility for your sexual health is one thing but if you lie about being on birth control or putting on a condom etc. that's a consent issue.... OP was definitely a misleading ass but had it been a deception situation and a woman was on the other end I don't think the hosts would have been talking about sexual responsibility and consequences.
I just realized how perfect the title is for this because I've literally had to stop every story and resume like an hour later 😂
Story 3: about the projectile vomit, I projectile vomited on my labor and delivery nurse as they were getting ready to wheel me in for an emergency c-section. I had an experienced nurse and a nursing student in the room with me. The poor nursing student was already scared and was in the L&D room for the first time, after my vomit she looked horrified. Poor girl, hope it didn’t put her off from continuing nursing school.
I adore Morgan but sometimes she completely misunderstands what her friends are trying to say and watching her friends try to get her to get it is painful lol. All Lauren was trying to say is a man who claims to have golf as a hobby has a convenient excuse to be away from his wife for long periods of time and could plausibly spend that time with a second family. If your husband loves golf and is gone for 8 hours you aren't questioning it. If your partner is an avid runner and disappears for 8 hours you would be suspicious lol
OMG, I am catching up on some episodes, and I wish I knew you went to the Philippines!!! Glad that you had a blast seeing our culture and people. Enjoyed this episode immensely!
The audacity & behaviour in many of these stories is truly *diSGuSTAnGG* in different ways. The cheating husband (from story 1) & cheating wife (from story 2) are both very manipulative in dismissing ops very VALID feelings & blaming others for the consequences of their actions. The Wife in story 2 just refuses to take any responsibility for the hurt she caused. I sympathise with her health scare (it sounds terrifying) however she should be taking her husbands feelings into account or offered him the same choice. The fact she insisted they continue on as normal after the amount of disrespect she showed is wild
That girl is using her cancer as an excuse to do bs. Just look at her actions and you'll see that her fantasy of this 1 nighter with a colleague has a higher importance to her than her 20+ years with you. You stayed and took care care of her at her worst and she can't even pay you with respect or loyalty. Stand your ground and leave her. Unless your okay with her manipulating you with her cancer.
The moral of this episode is to leave people right where they got you f*cked up, no matter who they are.
The husband is mad he’s not being waited on and babied by his 1950s housewife now that she’s pregnant, and that there’s any expectations of him. He paints that very clear picture when he says, she’s acting like my roommate and not my wife.
Sometimes I’m watching and so into the story and the takes get so derailed that I’m like wtf are we talking about now?!? Lol
This happens while we’re recording too 😂😂😂
Story 1... you dont know what the girlfriend was told about the marriage. Her impression of his wife comes from him. These guys can be very convincing, especially when they are buying you a house! Most women would see that as a long term investment. GF was terrible to talk to the wife that way, but he is doing everything he can to convince her that he is in love. And ... because you are the bonus woman, and he always has an excuse to not treat you with the full commitment you deserve. So, you only get the best of him when you are together, so it feels like he is perfect. Except that he is unable to always be with you because he has children. He needs to be there for his kids. So, he is a good guy because he is doesnt want to leave his kids. They spin a story that convinces you that he has good reasons. He is the exception to your average cheating husband. He probably even believes it himself. So, the gf believes he loves her, truly, because he is taking such a risk to be with you. You never see him when he is at his worst, as he comes and goes as he pleases. He always has his first family as an excuse to not be there for you full time. You believe him when he says that he will leave and gives convincing reasons for why it can't be now. And they usually choose people who are easy to manipulate into believing them. They are expert liars, and lie as a reflex, so it is easier to believe them. Most other women are not the trashy women that society imagine. They aren't the vixen that lures married men to their web. They are usually confused about what real love is after a series of bad relationships and willing or convinced into having these relationships.
Had to stop cleaning my room several times while listening, wtf is wrong with some of these people 😭😩 so good seeing Lauren again
Stage 1 uterine cancer survivor here. All I have to say is WHAT THE FUCK. Yeah cancer is scary and depending having to decide what route to take is a sobering decision. I'm not invalidating what she went through. HOWEVER, stage 1 is hardly staring death in the face. I think she saw this diagnosis and decided that this is a perfect excuse to push the limits of how much her loyal and committed husband would let her do. Once again, I hade stage 2 and at no time did I ever feel close to mortality.
And on the "femininity" subject: women get hysterectomies every day for much more terrifying and intense reasons and don'take it an excuse to yolo their relationship away.
Man I'm heated!
I had stage 1* fat fingers lol