They should forget about the power , i think the most important upgrade they could do it perhaps make the seat comfortable because the stock seat it by far the most uncomfortable seat I have ever sat on . 30 minutes at best . The sundowner is a little better but maybe a rethink on the padding used .
I don't understand why they would make the 117s at slightly different configurations with slightly different power outputs. I do believe Harley has been doing a great job on their bikes. Extremely happy with My 2024 Street Glide so far. 7,500 miles in just 5 months 😎😁
I think it's a rather genius idea. HD has been putting the same motor in all softails for awhile, the past couple years of the LRS and BR aside. Now with 3 different tunes, which I'd assume are cam/intake/exhaust, maybe even heads, they can tailor and differentiate how the models perform, while keeping production easy; same bottom end, cylinders, pistons etc.
Great review Mike. Nice bike, but I'm a Batwing guy. I will say, I do not like that side mounted plate holder, on any bike. Stands out like a sore thumb.
Thanks for the info, I think with just the improvements you listed that Indian has been caught with their pants down. Indian needs to dump the 111 and come out with a high output 116 and that would barely keep them in the game.
It would look better with the round air cleaner on the Heritage and Fat Bob. Not a fan of the giant air cleaner. The tank badge looks like an Indian logo. Can’t believe no one at Harley picked up on that before approving this thing.
Nice overview of the new Fat Boy, Mike. Keep up the great work. With the new head design, one thing that's worth mentioning is how much the top of the engine gets cleaned up. The oil line manifold (which is a PITA to remove and install) is gone, giving a fresh, clean look. I like it a lot!
True…. The old fat boy emblem looks unique powerful… this new emblem looks exactly same as Indian. Also previous 3 years emblem with one wing only also was mutilated …
I bought a 2024 Fatboy. I not sorry I did. Although the 25 Fatboy is good looking I don't need a 117, dont need the riding modes, and I don't need to pay the new price.
Hey Man Mountain Mike, what do you think about the 3 power levels on the 117? I think it’s another money grab by HD. The Heritage comes with the lowest power point. Man that bike is designed for 2 up riding. You need maximum power for the extra weight. So now you have to throw down more money to get more power when it should have come from the factory that way. I do like the color options on the softails. Wish we could have got those on the RKS. That’s all I have for now. Y’all peace out. I’m out for now.
They say the tuning is to met the characteristics of the model, I can kind of see that. My take is the power and tq are plenty for 2 up, My SG is just a little better but heavier and trust me you can't tell your pulling a passenger. I think it is to simply stuff and have less motors to support from a marketing, sales and repair standpoint. More compatibility across the P&A stuff also. And if you really want more get up and go the stuff like the cam from 117 HO could be thrown in there and your on your way... overall I like the way they are heading on the Cruiser line. Only real downside I see is we lost the most affordable entry level model.
HD is trying to keep pace with Indian, which is still way ahead of them in safety features and overall bang for the buck.- Indian has blind spot indicators on the mirrors and console for even more safety.
They say the engine is lighter and on my SG I know part of it is for a new method of making aluminum parts so I get it but I don't necessarily jump to more plastic or cheaper parts...doesn't mean there may not be some though.
I agree with you on that. But coming from Harley’s from 2011 to my new 2023 I can’t tell how much they went from metal parts to plastic. I’m still pissed about a plastic transmission dipstick, and I had to spend 300 dollars changing out my plastic manifold, I plastic transmission top cover, etc. and paying a very premium price for it. It really pisses you off how cheap they building these bikes now and and what they charging for them.
The "new" softail heads aren't BASED on the touring heads. They ARE the touring heads. Oil is just ran through the cooling passage on softail instead of water (like on touring).
I think the 3 different levels of 117 make way more sense than all the differing engine sizes of previous years. From an inventory/cost mfg. standpoint. And I gotta admit it’s been years since I’ve given a Fat Boy a second look. I absolutely loved them since I was a teenager drooling over the silver ‘90 model that was in my local dealer showroom back then. But sometime around ‘06 somewhere in that timeframe I quit liking them. Til now this year the blue one and dang that two tone black and red is callin my name. Would love to have a 117.
Harley are 20 years behind everyone else. Sport mode I had that on a 2014 Ducati.what a joke. There Suspension needs major overhaul. These bikes for what they cost are so behind the times up your game or get out.
@RidingintheOzarks Personally, I want both companies to succeed. We, the consumer, come out ahead. Innovation up and prices competitive. I'm also old enough to remember the AMF days........Edit: I think HD needs to claim "The oldest continuous American motorcycle company" for advertising. I'm currently an Indian motorcycle owner. I mean right is right.
@@Drengr1901 I don’t want Polaris to fail. I just don’t like them killing victory and playing the oldest card. I like the scout but prefer Harley’s touring bikes.
@RidingintheOzarks I agree that was NOT cool. I almost purchased a Victory back in the day. I think they suffered poor timing for the look(?) advertising, etc. Not really sure. Edit: For me an Indian was on my bucket list since 1978 or so I was a kid. I have a Scout. Unfortunately I have a feeling sooner than later 3 wheels will eventually be in the future.
If it was 20 hp more, be significant, but a few measly hp is a joke. Harley is so outdated, technological inferior to what could be. All them ride modes, really stupid and not worth it do a low power bike. 100, 110 hp is nothing in todays standards.
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Beautiful bike other than the tank badge which looks like it should be on an Indian.
Great video. That Fatboy is a beautiful machine. Been riding my Fatboy since 2002, wish I could upgrade to a new one. Thanks again for the video.
Love what you have done to the white on your road glide. Looks awesome
Would u compare between breakout 2023 &2025
I rode it the 1st day it cane out to the sales floor and that thing is FAST!!!
They should forget about the power , i think the most important upgrade they could do it perhaps make the seat comfortable because the stock seat it by far the most uncomfortable seat I have ever sat on . 30 minutes at best . The sundowner is a little better but maybe a rethink on the padding used .
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Nice.faster than most cars.
Thanks for the video Mike
Thanks for watching!
Thank you, that was very informative.
Glad I could help!
Looks great!
The paint alone on the Fatboy is enough to make me drop my FXLRST with my upgrades on the Red and Black Fatboy
I am not a Fat Baoy Fan but this one is looking pretty sharp!
Looks like the Indian Motorcycle war bonnet, I mean a glance from a distance....
I’m just wondering with the expense of these bikes would it kill Harley to just offer the nightster special instrument gauge?
I don't understand why they would make the 117s at slightly different configurations with slightly different power outputs. I do believe Harley has been doing a great job on their bikes. Extremely happy with My 2024 Street Glide so far. 7,500 miles in just 5 months 😎😁
If they don’t inovate people would not want the new model. That’s it, change Little things every new model
I think it's a rather genius idea. HD has been putting the same motor in all softails for awhile, the past couple years of the LRS and BR aside. Now with 3 different tunes, which I'd assume are cam/intake/exhaust, maybe even heads, they can tailor and differentiate how the models perform, while keeping production easy; same bottom end, cylinders, pistons etc.
It works for Triumph! Their 1200cc twin comes in 3 different states of tune between the speed twin, bobber, and scrambler.
Great review....I would like to see the same review info on the Heritage. And what to change on the motor to get the same power as the Fatboy.
When I get a first look at a heritage I will try and answer that.
Love the channel. You’ve done the best of any RUclipsrs I’ve seen covering the ‘25 model launch.
Man Mountain Mike puts in the work here for sure.
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I am keep my S&S 117,124, and 143. More reliable and more kick in pants.
Great review Mike.
Nice bike, but I'm a Batwing guy.
I will say, I do not like that side mounted plate holder, on any bike. Stands out like a sore thumb.
I agree
Cool video
thanks!
Thanks for the info, I think with just the improvements you listed that Indian has been caught with their pants down. Indian needs to dump the 111 and come out with a high output 116 and that would barely keep them in the game.
gorgeous color, but compared to a staged 2 2023 Fat Boy, the only feature I'd like is the tire pressure monitoring
Nice. Do you think the 2025 Breakout 117 has more power than the 2025 Fatboy 117?
They should be the same.
It would look better with the round air cleaner on the Heritage and Fat Bob. Not a fan of the giant air cleaner. The tank badge looks like an Indian logo. Can’t believe no one at Harley picked up on that before approving this thing.
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What about the Heritage Classic.
When I get to look at one, I’ll do a first look on it, but I haven’t got to see one of the new models in person yet.
Nice overview of the new Fat Boy, Mike. Keep up the great work. With the new head design, one thing that's worth mentioning is how much the top of the engine gets cleaned up. The oil line manifold (which is a PITA to remove and install) is gone, giving a fresh, clean look. I like it a lot!
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Buy it and Hatley will stop supporting parts for the bike in a few years. Like Harley did my Road King.
First Harley I bought new and the last Harley
Very cool looking 👀,except rear fender.lots tec nice over all killer paint.👍🏻
Thanks! I agree it does look killer.
fatboy tank emblem looks like the indian emblem i still like my 2010 fatboy lo looks like harley sounds like a harley
True…. The old fat boy emblem looks unique powerful… this new emblem looks exactly same as Indian. Also previous 3 years emblem with one wing only also was mutilated …
Great looking machine! Thanks Mike!
Thanks, I agree!
I bought a 2024 Fatboy. I not sorry I did. Although the 25 Fatboy is good looking I don't need a 117, dont need the riding modes, and I don't need to pay the new price.
I am sure you will enjoy it for years to come! I was never into the safety aides and rider modes till i had them...
@RidingintheOzarks I had traction control on my 2022SGS, don't miss it, and never had riding modes. Can't miss something I never had.
Hey Mike - great vid! Do you have the pricing?
The Fat Boy starts at $22,600 and with Two tone paint is $23,450
I bought one. whiskey fire/black
@@zavlo72 congrats!
@@RidingintheOzarks thank you
Tank badge looks like and indian salute
Slowly building a hardtail Shovel with a four speed. Twin tanks, solo seat and springer front.
Thank you everyone!
Hey Man Mountain Mike, what do you think about the 3 power levels on the 117? I think it’s another money grab by HD. The Heritage comes with the lowest power point. Man that bike is designed for 2 up riding. You need maximum power for the extra weight. So now you have to throw down more money to get more power when it should have come from the factory that way.
I do like the color options on the softails. Wish we could have got those on the RKS. That’s all I have for now. Y’all peace out. I’m out for now.
They say the tuning is to met the characteristics of the model, I can kind of see that. My take is the power and tq are plenty for 2 up, My SG is just a little better but heavier and trust me you can't tell your pulling a passenger.
I think it is to simply stuff and have less motors to support from a marketing, sales and repair standpoint. More compatibility across the P&A stuff also. And if you really want more get up and go the stuff like the cam from 117 HO could be thrown in there and your on your way... overall I like the way they are heading on the Cruiser line. Only real downside I see is we lost the most affordable entry level model.
I appreciate your thoughts on this Mike.
HD is trying to keep pace with Indian, which is still way ahead of them in safety features and overall bang for the buck.- Indian has blind spot indicators on the mirrors and console for even more safety.
Only on their tourers. On their cruisers they don’t even offer TC let alone an IMU based system or TPMS.
It's good that there is competition. Motorcycles are developing technologically.
Does the blow by go into the trans like on the new glides?
It is not mentioned in the PO rest info so I’m not 100% sure … we are doing a live Thursday night with a guest that may know.
Softail and Touring use the same breather now
I’m a Harley fan on my 4th one. But when I hear lighter all I can think of is cheaper parts.
They say the engine is lighter and on my SG I know part of it is for a new method of making aluminum parts so I get it but I don't necessarily jump to more plastic or cheaper parts...doesn't mean there may not be some though.
I agree with you on that. But coming from Harley’s from 2011 to my new 2023 I can’t tell how much they went from metal parts to plastic. I’m still pissed about a plastic transmission dipstick, and I had to spend 300 dollars changing out my plastic manifold, I plastic transmission top cover, etc. and paying a very premium price for it. It really pisses you off how cheap they building these bikes now and and what they charging for them.
Awesome Vid Mike, thank you!!!!!
The "new" softail heads aren't BASED on the touring heads. They ARE the touring heads. Oil is just ran through the cooling passage on softail instead of water (like on touring).
Thanks the press release doesn’t specifically say that but I figured that was the case.
I have a 23 fatboy never looked back
Good thing, Harley Davidson we love these changes on this new Bikes way to go Harley👍👍
I think the 3 different levels of 117 make way more sense than all the differing engine sizes of previous years. From an inventory/cost mfg. standpoint. And I gotta admit it’s been years since I’ve given a Fat Boy a second look. I absolutely loved them since I was a teenager drooling over the silver ‘90 model that was in my local dealer showroom back then. But sometime around ‘06 somewhere in that timeframe I quit liking them. Til now this year the blue one and dang that two tone black and red is callin my name. Would love to have a 117.
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Made in Thailand? Who wants one?
Only the Rev max powered models in the US are made in Thailand.
I love the tank emblem
You mean the badge that looks EXACTLY like the Indian logo?
Harley are 20 years behind everyone else. Sport mode I had that on a 2014 Ducati.what a joke. There Suspension needs major overhaul. These bikes for what they cost are so behind the times up your game or get out.
What a stupid bell, that put pay to that watching
Still using Cheap mirrors and now an Indian logo on the tank....come on Harley
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But why mimic the Indian Motorcycle war bonnet on the tank? I mean at glance from a distance......
@@Drengr1901 they have been using a half wing on the fat boy emblem for a while now, it doesn’t make me think of Polaris …
@RidingintheOzarks Personally, I want both companies to succeed. We, the consumer, come out ahead. Innovation up and prices competitive. I'm also old enough to remember the AMF days........Edit: I think HD needs to claim "The oldest continuous American motorcycle company" for advertising. I'm currently an Indian motorcycle owner. I mean right is right.
@@Drengr1901 I don’t want Polaris to fail. I just don’t like them killing victory and playing the oldest card. I like the scout but prefer Harley’s touring bikes.
@RidingintheOzarks I agree that was NOT cool. I almost purchased a Victory back in the day. I think they suffered poor timing for the look(?) advertising, etc. Not really sure. Edit: For me an Indian was on my bucket list since 1978 or so I was a kid. I have a Scout. Unfortunately I have a feeling sooner than later 3 wheels will eventually be in the future.
I've been a dealership technician for 10 years. The m8 fatboy is literally the worst factory production bike I've ever road.
@@SchofieldRex it’s not nimble on the twisty roads we have around here…
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Can you turn off all the rider safety?
I will look into it, I don't know for sure yet. I am pretty sure TC can be.
I believe you can turn the TC off
With the new heads…. adding a new cam, exhaust, air cleaner and tune the Softail’s will be an awesome bike for those looking for more power. 👍
You are right, it will make them a lot of fun!
If it was 20 hp more, be significant, but a few measly hp is a joke. Harley is so outdated, technological inferior to what could be.
All them ride modes, really stupid and not worth it do a low power bike. 100, 110 hp is nothing in todays standards.
The same bike from last year, after year after year. I’m so done with this brand……..!!
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To much tec for me on new models.would not buy any new bikes👎