Had this bike for 2yrs. 100% reliable, rode everyday in all weathers. Would recommend but they don't hold their value at all. After 2 yrs you'll be offered £500
@Gary Dodgson The Honda VFF800 has had linked brakes for decades and imo they are excellent. They don't upset the stability of the bike (quite the opposite) and they don't affect lean angle if you dab mid corner. Maybe Honda has a more refined system but I've only found positives with the VFR brakes; no negatives.
Thanks for the review MotoBob. As usual, nicely done! I've been riding for just on 50 years now and enjoyed every bike I've had (too many to mention). I've had everything from GSX1400's to Triumphs, Honda's, BSA's etc to little un's that I started on, but they were all fun. I have to say that the smaller bikes like this Sinnis were nearly always better fun than the big ones. My GSX1400 did 0-62mph in 2.57secs, but there are only so many times you can do that before you get bored. I rode that 175,000 miles too. Also it was only fun to ride if you were doing 80+mph. The modern 125's are terrific at letting you play on the country roads where speed is much less important, yet that doesn't matter. All round a very nice bike and the quality of these is very good. My nephew has one and it's great. In spite of being over a year old now and in daily use, it looks brand new with no rust.
“You can even overtake people, look” you had me howling with this line, Bob 😂 And kudos to you for the river crossing - I bet that captive audience was hoping for a picture opportunity to update their Instagrams. Andy 🏴
Good review. Two of these bikes recently completed the 10,000 mile Mongolian rally with no breakdowns or problems. A bit slow though. My Sinnis Hero 125 scooter will not 69 mph indicated down hill, but not uphill 😁
So weird seeing you drive through some of my local haunts! Always wanted to drive through the ford in Eynsford. Top video mate! Absolutely love your channel.
Genuinely interested in this bike my last being an fzr 1000 exup but that was 10 years ago and I’m in my forty’s now It’s not about collecting speeding fines and burying friends anymore bad times, but one of the most fun bikes I’ve ever ridden was a c90 pizza bike riding along bashing boxes flicking each other’s kill switches bending up the foot pegs with a club hammer for extra ground clearance basically there’s nothing more fun than riding small bikes like you still have acne and chlamydia
Took mine to Slovenia and back. Great fun. I specifically bought it for that trip as I have already blasted through Europe on a Honda 650. This time I wanted to take my time and follow the back roads. The only problem I came across is other road users. They assume the bike is more powerful than it is and get frustrated when you hit a hill and speed drops.
Sceptical at first at how you weaved between the traffic, then soon realised you had the ability to match your confidence..possibly the best reviewer I have seen so far and I have seen a lot. very likeable geezer ! well done mate.
Great review, I'll be scooting round some of those roads soon. Just been to the local dealer today and put my money on one, went for the larger topbox and handlebar protectors, though might wait and see if I really need the exhaust changed to one of the Toro options.
You were on the roads around Blackheath, where I regularly ride. The bikes fantastic for my commutes and fun rides. I took it to Southend last weekend. A bit full throttle on the A13 plodding along , however going through the back roads it was fantastic. Look after it and it will look after you.
@Wanderbike I like it, but consider that it is my first bike ever. Coming from CBT where they give you a small size Honda, this bike is substantial, bigger, and I feel like planted on the road. Easy to ride and your legs hug the tank nicely (feels stable). Confident on corners. . For me (5,8) feels very comfortable. Excellent on rough roads (still getting used to it and I may take lessons on the rough , they use the same bike and the 250 version). I was considering upgrading, but to be honest, it does the job perfectly fine for my kind of travel. I don't use it daily, but on weekend it is a good fun. I haven't had any problems with it.
The sign of a good bike is to hear how much fun you're having on it! I take my CB300F on the adventures like you did in this video and those are the best rides. Great review by the way.
These are now £3200+OTR, abit more power, 6th gear and water cooled, still a cracking bike though, just ordered mine, coming down from a Vstrom DL650 to this, i will notice the speed, but also the weight, having a injury to my shoulder i had to downsize, but still love the adventure bike
I have one , in my country it's a different brand , and it's my first bike so i am happy with it and u mention about linked brakes... as a new rider i have no habits, good or bad, and i find myself using it more than the front one. I know it's a bad habit. Overall i will own it till i get my A license ( i only have B ,care license) Relay good review !
Yamaha Xmax 125 2015 onwards Best commuter 125 bike going Big comfy High seat Full 14hp Does 70mph easily 6ft2 16 stone Easy 90+mpg Massive storage Handles very well!
Haha, fantastic job as always, Bob! Those green lanes looked fun, and you obviously enjoyed getting to rev the engine in town. I had a good laugh cheering you and the Sinnis on to reach 60mph!
Re 7:50. I still prefer the sound of a Triumph parallel twin with 270 degree firing, even at low throttle openings. I don't miss the sound of my 125cc screaming its nuts off :)
Its a great little bike for commuting, I'vd owned one now for just over a year, I ride it every day to and from work come rain or shine, and on a weekend , Can't fault it at all. Sinnis are hopefully launching the T380 early 2020, gonna keep an eye on it read the reviews and see how it goes. Good review
Can i just ask how many trouble-free miles have you done,and have you any idea about servicing intervals,also have you had any probs at all, Yes i am seriously thinking about getting one soon cheers mate,
@@peterryan7827 hi Peter sorry for the late reply, My terrain has just had it's last Service under warranty, I've now had it just over 2 years and to be honest it's a great 125, it's not the fastest but great for urban commuting, Its done just over 12,000 miles , I just fitted a Toro Exhaust which does give it a little more oomph, can easy so 60-65 No worries, the only problem I've had with it was water ingress on the side stand cut out switch shorting out killing the engine, simple solution disconnect It, other than that I commute for work over 200 mile a week at cost of roughly 12-15 quid .
Sam this is exactly the kind of research i was hoping to get, and to be honest i think you have made up my mind for me. The prob is all these videos,s we watch are all good but they are always about brand new machines, which never tells you anything about what they're like when you have put some mileage on them and of course i have heard so many tales dissing these Chinese made machine.s thanks again that's brilliant.
@@peterryan7827 It is a good little bike, the tyres it comes with are ok but I switched to Avon road Riders , better in the wet, my first sevice was a 600 miles , next one was 2000, short intervals wernt too bad, it's got a licenced Suzuki Engine in it same as a few Sinnis models so I believe, I honestly can't fault the bike, I check it weekly, and it's good, the stock exhaust is good but the Toro is way better, sounds good too, bit too loud without the DB Killer in it lol, I'd not rode a bike in over 20 years saw the Terrain online, keptvtabs on it read the reviews and bought It, hoping to do my test next year and get the T380, hope it's as good👍
Back when I did my CBT just over a year ago (and after having a car licence for 30 years) I thought combined brakes sounded like a good idea. Now I think combined brakes are a bit silly. It can't be that hard to stop the rear brake also activating the front.
Bring back the real sixties to eighties bikes anyday not like these fake looking plastic things controlled by the nanny state we're out of the EU now let learners have up to a 250cc
7:31 My 230cc Chinese bike is like that. At 5000-7000rpm the bike screams like it's doing 0 to 60 at record times. Fun sound indeed. Oh, and it sound even more fun when throttle blipping.
That's a good bike that one of the lads at work got one in silver I regret doing automatic instead geared think I might do get one next year I might even buy that bike
Really good review. TMF did one a few months ago, but didn't take it off road, or through water. Would be good if, as Gloggsy Goodwin suggested, they brought out a bigger engine version. From what I remember about the other review, though, I don't think you cav remove the panniers.
@@motobob That's interesting. However, I can't wait, and I've fallen in love with the RE Himalayan. Test rode one the other day. They're a proper off road/adventure bike which seems good enough to get you anywhere, providing you're not doing too much motorway riding - which I prefer not to do, anyway. Also, cheap enough, and sturdy enough to drop ( unlike the GS etc ) - so that's good for me, too, as I've got a lot of ' off road' learning to do - Just look at Nathan the postman, or Itchy boots to see what they're capable of. As their sales bumph says - Made for all roads - made for no roads. Let's hope so.
Cool motorcycle! I am also very fond of the Hoodlum, but I also really like this model with suitcases. Unfortunately, Sinnis is not yet that far to obtain throughout Europe as in the Netherlands.
IMHO Slip streaming is how to ride smaller machines when touring and you have to use main roads I used to look for a box back trucks and tack on behind at a sensible distance of course. It was more relaxing as the windage was less on a sit up and beg Generally when I toured I avoided motor ways and fast roads as they are boring just churning out the miles. B roads or quieter A's are so much more layed back and fun to ride. Even in the wife's MX5 sports car we avoid main roads and plan for lanes to enjoy the journey as much as the destination . I'm still not sure on the reliability of Chinese bikes as it's hard to find long term reviews more the just the warentee time of just 24months
It's a 125 my cbf 65 mph flat out . Plus that engine still a little bit tight with three hundred on the clock. Always hankered for a 500cc Suzuki van van .Weird I know.
Owned A terrain the only faults that I can give is the screws and nuts rust to quickly, fault on the safely cut out switch on the side stand, brake disc cracked after a year, and after sales service was shocking, don't think I would buy another Sinnis from my local dealers.
The side stand cut out switch’s can even play up on the top brand bikes ,as can the bolts & screws if not cleaned & treated .The brake disc should not be cracking though .A recent problem I have heard story’s about is steering bearings going faulty at 600 miles & wheel bearings collapsing ,in one case causing the rear sprocket to eat the swing arm .It was a good job the rider was going very slow at the time .It sounds to me though that your dealer was crap & poor after sales service didn’t help ,sounds like your brake pads were rubbing on your discs causing over heating & crack. The company’s like Sinnis & Lexmoto ,don’t design or manufacture these bikes ,they just source them from various Chinese factory’s that have variable degrees of quality control & have their logo put on them .The Japanese also use Chinese factory’s but keep a strict eye on the quality & build finish & dictate Japanese specs & design .So although these generic Chinese bikes could be sourced from the same Chinese factory’s as Suzuki ,Yamaha & Honda they are a lower spec built down to a price .The generic Chinese bikes could be a bargain if you can get them cheap & up the specs on certain parts & still save a grand or two on the cost of a Chinese made & spec Honda or Yamaha .
Looks great! I'd enjoy this far more than a 300Kg GS! Those brakes are a terrible idea and a bike would have to hold 70 for me to think about buying it 😕 And it may have a pillion seat but imagine if a bloater like me carried a pillion?! It would struggle to set off and get up to 40mph!
Wow reminders me of a little Yamaha YZ125 I use to have in Shanghai, what a love/hate relationship that was, the bike just needed ABS but I loved it. It’s clear that this Sinnis has a break problem as well with that linked system. If I were to ever own it I would promptly be looking to disconnect the link breaking and make it a proper front & rear independent braking system. Other then that it looks like a fun little bike to add to the stable
I think linked brakes are a bad idea , better with independent brakes , o k on a small bike you can get away with stuff but you could come unstuck on a more powerful bike. Nice little bike if you want to keep it for commuting.
Looks pretty similar to the Chinese-made Honda CB190X that we have here. Not a big fan of them though, 150kg is a bit heavy for a small displacement beginner bike.
We saw this bike at the excel show and were totally impressed by the spec' and particularly, the price! Triumph could probably tap into the small adventure bike market, but definitely couldn't come even close to £2,500....or could they?
Doubt it to be honest! These are produced in China and I think that’s the main factor in keeping the price low. Triumph have a more premium brand to protect too - the quality of the sinnis is great for the money but the build isn’t the same as something like a triumph
Re 9:20. All 125s are terrible on 70 MPH roads. I think learners should be allowed 300cc bikes restricted to 17 bhp whilst they are learning and allowed to destrict once they pass a test. I might have kept a 300cc unrestricted bike for longer than the one month I kept my 125 post passing mod 2. A1 class bikes should be able to do 70mph. My former cb125r could just do 68mph on the speedo. That was probably really about 64 mph.
@Gary Dodgson well I didn't ride the 125 much on 70MPH roads, because it was too slow. Now my big bike is fine and can easily sit at 70MPH. 125s are fine around town, in some ways they can be better than bigger bikes. Lighter to manoeuvre and amazing fuel consumption, but when trying to practice for the bike test on a dual carriageway it was terrible.
oh, if it helps anyone out there - there's now a 380 version available. Although it's significantly bigger and heavier and more expensive. I think it's around 4500, up from 2500 for the 125... So a 250 would make for a good compromise.
Nice video, thanks for your Insights. An interesting bike it is, despite the Most annoying linked brake ("combined brake system" CBS). Can anyone tell me why SINNIS is not available in Germany? :-(
Sorry might have said this already ( back 9 months ago ) Linked brakes. Yeah, when I was learning back in 2018 to 2019, I thought linked brakes sounded like a good idea. Coming from 30 years of car driving , well you only need one brake pedal, and a hand brake for parking ( or hand brake turns if you like to impersonate The Sweeney ). So the idea of a separate front and back brake just seemed like over complication, all the gear / clutch control filled by brain with "what am I going to do now?" . Should I press the foot pedal or squeeze a lever with my right hand . Brain OVERLOAD. Maybe that's because I'm a middle aged git and not as quick at learning as the youngsters. Now after riding for 20 odd months , last year on an A licence, yes I agree front and rear brakes should be separate. So I don't know , maybe they're a good idea for learners in the very early stages, but after a few months, clutch / gear control mastered, linked brakes do get in the way, even if the rider is still on L plates. They should be made easy to disable.
I feel like these smaller 125s (IE the ones around 8-12 HP) would be really good for commuting in town or between villages but not much else. Absolutely, this bike in particular is probably better for commuting than my MT125, especially with the luggage, screen, ETC. Also, the whole linked brakes idea is a terrible idea and whoever came up with it should be plonked on a 125 with linked brakes and try it out. Learning how to balance your braking is incredibly important and holding the hand of inexperienced riders like this is going to be possibly dangerous in the long run, considering you're getting two brakes worth of braking from one brake action, so moving up to the next bike, if you fuck up and only hit the rear brake, you might be fucked. Much rather all 125s have ABS than combined braking
I guess it’s cheaper than ABS to produce. But yeah I agree ABS would be better. There’s not enough modulation using a foot pedal for the front brake. You can’t be as in touch with the brake through boots
a pile of shit i brought one in june 2017,had nothing but problems,3 ecus replaced,rear brake light failure,usb socket never worked since new, wont idle until warm,now after warranty run out wont run at all,save your money,by a branded bike,im braking mine for parts,and it looks like new less than 6k on clock,you have been warned.
i still wonder...why a 125 cc / a 500 cc / a 1200 cc should be that much of a difference money wise . Motor - Fabrication wise they should be just the same
I've been practicing doing U-turns on my Terrain while slightly dragging the rear brake...it works fine. Aids the slow speed control without any drawback at all. During normal riding there's no noticable dive on the front when using the rear break. I've never had the rear lock up or be unsettled when on the few occasions I've needed to yank on the front break. It's a good little bike. Underpowered...but it's only a 125 after all. Very comfortable to ride and a lot of bike for the money.
@@simongrist4871 What about when you get a bit out of shape on a corner ,the trick use to be to use a slight dab of rear brake to correct your line .if you do that with linked brakes your front forks will dive surely & have you through a hedge or worse .The megalomaniacs who bring in these stupid linked brakes rules on machines that are primary ridden by new learner riders ,know nothing about motorcycles .All the idiots have achieved is to give the rider less choice & control of their machine ,& put them at more risk on the roads .
Luca Camposano one person would be fine. With 2 you’ll be sat near the redline in first. My bike uses the same engine and is lighter (sinnis hoodlum) and with me and my girlfriend, both of us around 75kgs, it really struggles up hills. Flat of fine though. I’d say it would be pretty terrible for what you want it for
4:39 Can't believe you drove past a serious crash without stopping to see if the two people were OK? And what had the car hit? Hopefully not a motorcycle.
@@motobob That and the fly-tipping on the Pilgrim's Way.... We sure are being treated to some unusual sights on an English bike ride in 2019. Great video!!
Adults should at least be able to ride a 300-500cc on a CBT. 125s are for kids, you can’t even go on motorways with them. English bike laws are the worst on the planet! Absolutely disgraceful waist of everyones time and money. CBT is all you need (especially if you have a drivers license)
We can thank the EU for these rediculous laws. When we leave, we can remove these laws and regulations and the extr money it costs for manufacturers to put these rediculous features on.
A law change would be highly unlikely, and pointless; manufacturers would not produce a special, and therefore more expensive , 125 for the tiny market that the UK represents.
@@motobob Mine fell apart on its own! The main bolt that holds the back suspension to the engine case snapped and threw me off causing 2 broken ribs...... The bike wasn't even 6 months old!!!!!....... The fuel gauge and speedo stopped working after about a month also
Had this bike for 2yrs. 100% reliable, rode everyday in all weathers. Would recommend but they don't hold their value at all. After 2 yrs you'll be offered £500
Do you reckon it would be worth it to pick up for long term? For 5+ years etc?
@@igo985 probably not, unless you're looking to dispose of it when you're finished as you'll get next to no resale
@@SuperMetin5 Hmm, I am more looking into a very long term machine, so probably a japanese cb125f or something like that would suit better?
@Gary Dodgson The Honda VFF800 has had linked brakes for decades and imo they are excellent. They don't upset the stability of the bike (quite the opposite) and they don't affect lean angle if you dab mid corner. Maybe Honda has a more refined system but I've only found positives with the VFR brakes; no negatives.
Is that as trade-in or private sale?
Thanks for the review MotoBob. As usual, nicely done! I've been riding for just on 50 years now and enjoyed every bike I've had (too many to mention). I've had everything from GSX1400's to Triumphs, Honda's, BSA's etc to little un's that I started on, but they were all fun. I have to say that the smaller bikes like this Sinnis were nearly always better fun than the big ones. My GSX1400 did 0-62mph in 2.57secs, but there are only so many times you can do that before you get bored. I rode that 175,000 miles too. Also it was only fun to ride if you were doing 80+mph. The modern 125's are terrific at letting you play on the country roads where speed is much less important, yet that doesn't matter. All round a very nice bike and the quality of these is very good. My nephew has one and it's great. In spite of being over a year old now and in daily use, it looks brand new with no rust.
Cheers Ian - nice to hear about some real world reliability
“You can even overtake people, look” you had me howling with this line, Bob 😂
And kudos to you for the river crossing - I bet that captive audience was hoping for a picture opportunity to update their Instagrams.
Andy 🏴
Haha thanks Andy. I was tempted to ask someone to film it for the video but if I’d have come off it’d have made it a lot worse...
Good review. Two of these bikes recently completed the 10,000 mile Mongolian rally with no breakdowns or problems. A bit slow though. My Sinnis Hero 125 scooter will not 69 mph indicated down hill, but not uphill 😁
So weird seeing you drive through some of my local haunts! Always wanted to drive through the ford in Eynsford. Top video mate! Absolutely love your channel.
Thanks mate! The ford isn’t so bad - just pick a day where it’s been dry for a week or two beforehand
Genuinely interested in this bike my last being an fzr 1000 exup but that was 10 years ago and I’m in my forty’s now It’s not about collecting speeding fines and burying friends anymore bad times, but one of the most fun bikes I’ve ever ridden was a c90 pizza bike riding along bashing boxes flicking each other’s kill switches bending up the foot pegs with a club hammer for extra ground clearance basically there’s nothing more fun than riding small bikes like you still have acne and chlamydia
Took mine to Slovenia and back. Great fun. I specifically bought it for that trip as I have already blasted through Europe on a Honda 650. This time I wanted to take my time and follow the back roads. The only problem I came across is other road users. They assume the bike is more powerful than it is and get frustrated when you hit a hill and speed drops.
Sceptical at first at how you weaved between the traffic, then soon realised you had the ability to match your confidence..possibly the best reviewer I have seen so far and I have seen a lot. very likeable geezer ! well done mate.
Great review, I'll be scooting round some of those roads soon. Just been to the local dealer today and put my money on one, went for the larger topbox and handlebar protectors, though might wait and see if I really need the exhaust changed to one of the Toro options.
This is the most perfect review of any product! Cheers man!
Hey, excellent , riding round my local roads and some of my favourite spots . Nice bike, I'm tempted.🐱
The new one comes out tomorrow. 12.7hp water cooled engine with 6 gears and a balance shaft.
You were on the roads around Blackheath, where I regularly ride.
The bikes fantastic for my commutes and fun rides.
I took it to Southend last weekend. A bit full throttle on the A13 plodding along , however going through the back roads it was fantastic.
Look after it and it will look after you.
Best video review for this underrated bike. Just bought one 2022. 😃
@Wanderbike I like it, but consider that it is my first bike ever. Coming from CBT where they give you a small size Honda, this bike is substantial, bigger, and I feel like planted on the road. Easy to ride and your legs hug the tank nicely (feels stable). Confident on corners. . For me (5,8) feels very comfortable. Excellent on rough roads (still getting used to it and I may take lessons on the rough , they use the same bike and the 250 version). I was considering upgrading, but to be honest, it does the job perfectly fine for my kind of travel. I don't use it daily, but on weekend it is a good fun. I haven't had any problems with it.
Adventure bikes are not my thing, heavy for a 125, but impressed, a lot of bike for the money
The sign of a good bike is to hear how much fun you're having on it! I take my CB300F on the adventures like you did in this video and those are the best rides. Great review by the way.
Thanks LBA. Was loads of fun as you say - I’d like a little adv bike to do more of it
These are now £3200+OTR, abit more power, 6th gear and water cooled, still a cracking bike though, just ordered mine, coming down from a Vstrom DL650 to this, i will notice the speed, but also the weight, having a injury to my shoulder i had to downsize, but still love the adventure bike
The price is awesome.
I have one , in my country it's a different brand , and it's my first bike so i am happy with it and u mention about linked brakes... as a new rider i have no habits, good or bad, and i find myself using it more than the front one. I know it's a bad habit. Overall i will own it till i get my A license ( i only have B ,care license)
Relay good review !
Yamaha Xmax 125 2015 onwards
Best commuter 125 bike going
Big comfy
High seat
Full 14hp
Does 70mph easily 6ft2 16 stone
Easy 90+mpg
Massive storage
Handles very well!
Haha, fantastic job as always, Bob! Those green lanes looked fun, and you obviously enjoyed getting to rev the engine in town. I had a good laugh cheering you and the Sinnis on to reach 60mph!
Re 7:50. I still prefer the sound of a Triumph parallel twin with 270 degree firing, even at low throttle openings.
I don't miss the sound of my 125cc screaming its nuts off :)
So I do miss one thing about my 125.
It's 126 kg was much easier to push around as compared to the 200kg bike I now have.
Great, real life review, thank you.
Its a great little bike for commuting, I'vd owned one now for just over a year, I ride it every day to and from work come rain or shine, and on a weekend , Can't fault it at all. Sinnis are hopefully launching the T380 early 2020, gonna keep an eye on it read the reviews and see how it goes. Good review
Can i just ask how many trouble-free miles have you done,and have you any idea about servicing intervals,also have you had any probs at all, Yes i am seriously thinking about getting one soon cheers mate,
@@peterryan7827 hi Peter sorry for the late reply, My terrain has just had it's last Service under warranty, I've now had it just over 2 years and to be honest it's a great 125, it's not the fastest but great for urban commuting, Its done just over 12,000 miles , I just fitted a Toro Exhaust which does give it a little more oomph, can easy so 60-65 No worries, the only problem I've had with it was water ingress on the side stand cut out switch shorting out killing the engine, simple solution disconnect It, other than that I commute for work over 200 mile a week at cost of roughly 12-15 quid .
Sam this is exactly the kind of research i was hoping to get, and to be honest i think you have made up my mind for me. The prob is all these videos,s we watch are all good but they are always about brand new machines, which never tells you anything about what they're like when you have put some mileage on them and of course i have heard so many tales dissing these Chinese made machine.s thanks again that's brilliant.
@@peterryan7827 It is a good little bike, the tyres it comes with are ok but I switched to Avon road Riders , better in the wet, my first sevice was a 600 miles , next one was 2000, short intervals wernt too bad, it's got a licenced Suzuki Engine in it same as a few Sinnis models so I believe, I honestly can't fault the bike, I check it weekly, and it's good, the stock exhaust is good but the Toro is way better, sounds good too, bit too loud without the DB Killer in it lol, I'd not rode a bike in over 20 years saw the Terrain online, keptvtabs on it read the reviews and bought It, hoping to do my test next year and get the T380, hope it's as good👍
Back when I did my CBT just over a year ago (and after having a car licence for 30 years) I thought combined brakes sounded like a good idea.
Now I think combined brakes are a bit silly.
It can't be that hard to stop the rear brake also activating the front.
Bring back the real sixties to eighties bikes anyday not like these fake looking plastic things controlled by the nanny state we're out of the EU now let learners have up to a 250cc
Good review. Interesting info and a good presentation. Thanks for this. Much appreciated.
7:31 My 230cc Chinese bike is like that. At 5000-7000rpm the bike screams like it's doing 0 to 60 at record times. Fun sound indeed. Oh, and it sound even more fun when throttle blipping.
My Honda Forza 300 rear brake works one piston of the front brake, can't say I've really noticed it, great brakes. Wouldn't fancy a Sinnis tho.
Excellent commentary, Sinnis should pay you hit commission for this review.
Re 4:35. Filtering on a 125 without enough power to get you by if there is something coming head on.
You're brave. Be careful.
It’s a question of timing!
Not brave, just experienced and sensible the way he does it. Nothing wrong with filtering and overtaking on a 125.
What's wrong with filtering on a 125!??
@@beethalia168 It is easier to get past on a bike with a bit more power. So maybe someone less talented like me finds it much easier with 96BHP :)
@@karlosh9286 filtering should be done at 15mph so not sure what 96bhp has to do with it
That's a good bike that one of the lads at work got one in silver I regret doing automatic instead geared think I might do get one next year I might even buy that bike
That was a cracking review, one of the best. Fair play to you ;)
Great video .nice little bike .would like to see a 250-300 cc .Ifeel that would make it a bit more usable
I believe there’s one in the works for this year
there is a t380 due in 2020, that's why I looking.
Really good review. TMF did one a few months ago, but didn't take it off road, or through water. Would be good if, as Gloggsy Goodwin suggested, they brought out a bigger engine version. From what I remember about the other review, though, I don't think you cav remove the panniers.
I believe a larger capacity version is on its way this year
@@motobob That's interesting. However, I can't wait, and I've fallen in love with the RE Himalayan. Test rode one the other day. They're a proper off road/adventure bike which seems good enough to get you anywhere, providing you're not doing too much motorway riding - which I prefer not to do, anyway. Also, cheap enough, and sturdy enough to drop ( unlike the GS etc ) - so that's good for me, too, as I've got a lot of ' off road' learning to do - Just look at Nathan the postman, or Itchy boots to see what they're capable of.
As their sales bumph says - Made for all roads - made for no roads. Let's hope so.
Cool motorcycle! I am also very fond of the Hoodlum, but I also really like this model with suitcases. Unfortunately, Sinnis is not yet that far to obtain throughout Europe as in the Netherlands.
Sounds like something on Prince's unreleased metal album: Sinister Rain.
IMHO Slip streaming is how to ride smaller machines when touring and you have to use main roads
I used to look for a box back trucks and tack on behind at a sensible distance of course.
It was more relaxing as the windage was less on a sit up and beg
Generally when I toured I avoided motor ways and fast roads as they are boring just churning out the miles.
B roads or quieter A's are so much more layed back and fun to ride.
Even in the wife's MX5 sports car we avoid main roads and plan for lanes to enjoy the journey as much as the destination .
I'm still not sure on the reliability of Chinese bikes as it's hard to find long term reviews more the just the warentee time of just 24months
You can do it all, on the little rascals. I do on my 2014 Honda CB500X! Cheers from Canada, eh! 🇨🇦🏍
Years ago 125s did up to 100mph and sometimes more. Now they struggle to do the international speed limit.
It's a 125 my cbf 65 mph flat out . Plus that engine still a little bit tight with three hundred on the clock. Always hankered for a 500cc Suzuki van van .Weird I know.
Yeah it might go a bit better after a bit of running in
Awesome video! the river was the best part lol. great review
Hahah thanks EH as always! 🙌🙌🙌
Owned A terrain the only faults that I can give is the screws and nuts rust to quickly, fault on the safely cut out switch on the side stand, brake disc cracked after a year, and after sales service was shocking, don't think I would buy another Sinnis from my local dealers.
The side stand cut out switch’s can even play up on the top brand bikes ,as can the bolts & screws if not cleaned & treated .The brake disc should not be cracking though .A recent problem I have heard story’s about is steering bearings going faulty at 600 miles & wheel bearings collapsing ,in one case causing the rear sprocket to eat the swing arm .It was a good job the rider was going very slow at the time .It sounds to me though that your dealer was crap & poor after sales service didn’t help ,sounds like your brake pads were rubbing on your discs causing over heating & crack. The company’s like Sinnis & Lexmoto ,don’t design or manufacture these bikes ,they just source them from various Chinese factory’s that have variable degrees of quality control & have their logo put on them .The Japanese also use Chinese factory’s but keep a strict eye on the quality & build finish & dictate Japanese specs & design .So although these generic Chinese bikes could be sourced from the same Chinese factory’s as Suzuki ,Yamaha & Honda they are a lower spec built down to a price .The generic Chinese bikes could be a bargain if you can get them cheap & up the specs on certain parts & still save a grand or two on the cost of a Chinese made & spec Honda or Yamaha .
Looks great! I'd enjoy this far more than a 300Kg GS! Those brakes are a terrible idea and a bike would have to hold 70 for me to think about buying it 😕 And it may have a pillion seat but imagine if a bloater like me carried a pillion?! It would struggle to set off and get up to 40mph!
Yeah - I think the slightly larger capacity version coming later this year might hit the sweet spot
@@motobob I don't know how big the larger version will be but a 400 single would be great.
Wow reminders me of a little Yamaha YZ125 I use to have in Shanghai, what a love/hate relationship that was, the bike just needed ABS but I loved it.
It’s clear that this Sinnis has a break problem as well with that linked system. If I were to ever own it I would promptly be looking to disconnect the link breaking and make it a proper front & rear independent braking system. Other then that it looks like a fun little bike to add to the stable
No power, in the mountains you could walk faster then drive it uphill. Great city bike I agree.
Now this is a proper review
I think linked brakes are a bad idea , better with independent brakes , o k on a small bike you can get away with stuff but you could come unstuck on a more powerful bike. Nice little bike if you want to keep it for commuting.
Looks pretty similar to the Chinese-made Honda CB190X that we have here. Not a big fan of them though, 150kg is a bit heavy for a small displacement beginner bike.
One year later... it’s a ZongShen Cyclone RX1. Very similar to the CB190X, general purpose commuter dressed up in off road clothing.
We saw this bike at the excel show and were totally impressed by the spec' and particularly, the price! Triumph could probably tap into the small adventure bike market, but definitely couldn't come even close to £2,500....or could they?
Doubt it to be honest! These are produced in China and I think that’s the main factor in keeping the price low. Triumph have a more premium brand to protect too - the quality of the sinnis is great for the money but the build isn’t the same as something like a triumph
We're out of the EU (nanny state) give learners up to a 250cc that way they won't have to find down hill roads to have some fun.
I’ve just purchased a Sinnis and live around Sevenoaks. I’m looking to do some of the green lanes. What road did you first join the off road byway?
If you take Pilgrim's Way eastwards out of Otford you should find it!
Can’t knock it. That’s a lot of bike for the money absolutely. Might be time to get my CBT done!
"So you're probably not gonna do the Dakar rally on this bike" - CrazyAssClimbers = Goes and does the Dakar rally on this bike.
Mongol rally. Limited to 125s. NOT the Dakar by a couple of light years.
Re 9:20. All 125s are terrible on 70 MPH roads.
I think learners should be allowed 300cc bikes restricted to 17 bhp whilst they are learning and allowed to destrict once they pass a test.
I might have kept a 300cc unrestricted bike for longer than the one month I kept my 125 post passing mod 2.
A1 class bikes should be able to do 70mph. My former cb125r could just do 68mph on the speedo. That was probably really about 64 mph.
@Gary Dodgson well I didn't ride the 125 much on 70MPH roads, because it was too slow.
Now my big bike is fine and can easily sit at 70MPH.
125s are fine around town, in some ways they can be better than bigger bikes. Lighter to manoeuvre and amazing fuel consumption, but when trying to practice for the bike test on a dual carriageway it was terrible.
Know i'm a bit late like but your continuity is better than everybody put together - you don't work for a fillm company do you?
I am about 6 foot 2/3. Do you Think a Sinnis terrain 125cc is too small? Great video btw!
I done my cbt on this bike on Thursday there and I'm not a fan it's too big for me and not enough power to do a really steep hill start
I think I should pay for this edit awesome edit and I love the bike
Hi there. What's the panniers capacity ? Cheers
We need more reviews of cheaper bikes, this days all you can find on internet are reviews of big expensive bikes.
I really like these little things. Aren’t they bringing out a 350/400cc version? 🤔
Apparently so! I’ll try to get hold of one when it’s available
Yes if you go onto Sinnis Facebook they have a video first look. Looks awesome.
If it were a 250, it'd be perfect.
oh, if it helps anyone out there - there's now a 380 version available. Although it's significantly bigger and heavier and more expensive. I think it's around 4500, up from 2500 for the 125... So a 250 would make for a good compromise.
Nice video, thanks for your Insights.
An interesting bike it is, despite the Most annoying linked brake ("combined brake system" CBS).
Can anyone tell me why SINNIS is not available in Germany? :-(
Sorry might have said this already ( back 9 months ago ) Linked brakes. Yeah, when I was learning back in 2018 to 2019, I thought linked brakes sounded like a good idea. Coming from 30 years of car driving , well you only need one brake pedal, and a hand brake for parking ( or hand brake turns if you like to impersonate The Sweeney ). So the idea of a separate front and back brake just seemed like over complication, all the gear / clutch control filled by brain with "what am I going to do now?" . Should I press the foot pedal or squeeze a lever with my right hand . Brain OVERLOAD.
Maybe that's because I'm a middle aged git and not as quick at learning as the youngsters.
Now after riding for 20 odd months , last year on an A licence, yes I agree front and rear brakes should be separate. So I don't know , maybe they're a good idea for learners in the very early stages, but after a few months, clutch / gear control mastered, linked brakes do get in the way, even if the rider is still on L plates. They should be made easy to disable.
I feel like these smaller 125s (IE the ones around 8-12 HP) would be really good for commuting in town or between villages but not much else. Absolutely, this bike in particular is probably better for commuting than my MT125, especially with the luggage, screen, ETC. Also, the whole linked brakes idea is a terrible idea and whoever came up with it should be plonked on a 125 with linked brakes and try it out. Learning how to balance your braking is incredibly important and holding the hand of inexperienced riders like this is going to be possibly dangerous in the long run, considering you're getting two brakes worth of braking from one brake action, so moving up to the next bike, if you fuck up and only hit the rear brake, you might be fucked. Much rather all 125s have ABS than combined braking
I guess it’s cheaper than ABS to produce. But yeah I agree ABS would be better. There’s not enough modulation using a foot pedal for the front brake. You can’t be as in touch with the brake through boots
I think it’s a relatively simple fix; unlinking linked brakes TBH?!
@@cloggsy1971 It's probably the first thing i would do, but is it ok MOT wise?
No, unlinking the brakes is not legal.
Ian Burg yes it is. Linked brakes is only a selling requirement. They don’t need to be linked to pass mot or anything else. Research before you type
Good job Bob
Thanks mate - appreciate it!
Great video pal. Where did you get your jacket? And what's the brand/design if u don't mind me asking? I want one.
It’s a Revit Stealth 👍
@@motobob cheers pal
Hello please What CV ? And New moto? What is Your name in spanish ? Thanks bro like your video 😃
Great learner/ city bike...
For sure! Great for learners having the crash bars all round
Would you recommend the bike for a tall person over 6ft 5
What helment mount are you using? Looking for somthing to use on a gt air, most just start falling off due to the shape
It’s just a spada arc. Good for attaching a gopro and has decent sound insulation for the mic
a pile of shit i brought one in june 2017,had nothing but problems,3 ecus replaced,rear brake light failure,usb socket never worked since new, wont idle until warm,now after warranty run out wont run at all,save your money,by a branded bike,im braking mine for parts,and it looks like new less than 6k on clock,you have been warned.
Great review.
Thanks Tom 👍🤘
i still wonder...why a 125 cc / a 500 cc / a 1200 cc should be that much of a difference money wise .
Motor - Fabrication wise they should be just the same
Quality of parts and 50 plus years and billions in research
Yeah with the duel break thing wouldn't that make U-turns more difficult?
I've been practicing doing U-turns on my Terrain while slightly dragging the rear brake...it works fine. Aids the slow speed control without any drawback at all. During normal riding there's no noticable dive on the front when using the rear break. I've never had the rear lock up or be unsettled when on the few occasions I've needed to yank on the front break. It's a good little bike. Underpowered...but it's only a 125 after all. Very comfortable to ride and a lot of bike for the money.
@@simongrist4871 What about when you get a bit out of shape on a corner ,the trick use to be to use a slight dab of rear brake to correct your line .if you do that with linked brakes your front forks will dive surely & have you through a hedge or worse .The megalomaniacs who bring in these stupid linked brakes rules on machines that are primary ridden by new learner riders ,know nothing about motorcycles .All the idiots have achieved is to give the rider less choice & control of their machine ,& put them at more risk on the roads .
Just noticed this is blackheath live around the corner
I had a 125 Varadero with a claimed 14.5 bhp and even that was a gutless, overweight slug.
Same size bike with just 11.5 bhp?
No thanks.
Is a bike like that ok for going on mountain roads? Not dirty road but just inclined. Even if two light pleople are on? thanks
Luca Camposano one person would be fine. With 2 you’ll be sat near the redline in first. My bike uses the same engine and is lighter (sinnis hoodlum) and with me and my girlfriend, both of us around 75kgs, it really struggles up hills. Flat of fine though. I’d say it would be pretty terrible for what you want it for
Did anyone put 200cc cilinder on this bike change exhaust and Air filter to go the horses adut 15plus thanks for comment Greek fun of this bike
On aliexpess you fund the 200cc kit
That braking system sounds a hazard waiting to happen what about in a bend on a wet road
Braking in a bend on a wet road is a recipe for disaster with any brakes. The rider is the hazard.
4:39 Can't believe you drove past a serious crash without stopping to see if the two people were OK? And what had the car hit? Hopefully not a motorcycle.
I don't think that was a legitimate crash scene. There's no debris on the road.
@@motobob That and the fly-tipping on the Pilgrim's Way.... We sure are being treated to some unusual sights on an English bike ride in 2019. Great video!!
Thanks Peter!
If only they could make a 250 version for £2999
I believe a bigger capacity version is in the works.
Start selling in EU
MPG?
*duel carriageway, not motorway.
You can get one four £1500
Witam, Cis , Hello pozdrowienia z Polski POLAND .
Yo, check out @crazyassclimbers on Instagram, they are doing the Mongol Rally on these! Great vid as usual mate. 👍
Thanks mate will have a look!
Maybe Duke 200 or some Indian bikes are cheaper than this mechine.
Is this how riders ride in your country. Paasing a bus by the right with incoming cars ???? Daarn .
Adults should at least be able to ride a 300-500cc on a CBT. 125s are for kids, you can’t even go on motorways with them. English bike laws are the worst on the planet! Absolutely disgraceful waist of everyones time and money. CBT is all you need (especially if you have a drivers license)
Motorway....who rides a bike on the motorway anyhow?? Squared off tyres and boredom. Stick to the twisties whatever the bike.
a 125 you say for commute ? Nha not for my 105kg fat ass :D
Haha it takes a bit of planning on the overtake for me too. Not exactly spritely but still surprised me with how fun it was
@@motobob Hard to imagine after my 140hp Fazer :D
my 2013 honda pcx goes faster then that
بحب
Not sure if you can overtake a vehicle when there is a traffic from the other direction in the bananaland youre living, but youre driving like a jerk.
Engine sound like hair dryer
Is this bike, china made , undian made ???? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
We can thank the EU for these rediculous laws. When we leave, we can remove these laws and regulations and the extr money it costs for manufacturers to put these rediculous features on.
A law change would be highly unlikely, and pointless; manufacturers would not produce a special, and therefore more expensive , 125 for the tiny market that the UK represents.
Do not buy a Sinnis you have been warned!
How come?
@@motobob Mine fell apart on its own! The main bolt that holds the back suspension to the engine case snapped and threw me off causing 2 broken ribs...... The bike wasn't even 6 months old!!!!!....... The fuel gauge and speedo stopped working after about a month also
sam well mines done 13000 miles of me riding the nut off it and 0 issues. Not the terrain though but the hoodlum