The kicker here is Zhang Liao historically IS the STRONGEST Officer of the Three Kingdoms (not Lu Bu interestingly). This scene really deserves justice; Zhang Liao needs more arse-kicking moments.
MrMetalfreak1337 Read actual Chinese historical texts. DW was based off of the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms which is VERY LOOSELY based off history, but not ACTUAL history. Guan Yu is very strong physically, but Zhang Liao was without a doubt historically the strongest fighter of ancient China during the 3 Kingdoms era.
***** Dian Wei was a very loyal bodyguard to Cao Cao, which DW portrays very accurately in-game. A very skilled fighter in history and a cool character to play as well. Cao Ren was a cousin of Cao Cao and again history said he did lead a sizable force under the Wei flag for Cao Cao. I don't know if he was a strong fighter but he was a good general: he lead and won a fair number of battles.
MrMetalfreak1337 Zhang Liao was the best, he achieved many crucial victories, the Hefei's defense is still today one of the most incredible war events, maybe the most incredible ever.. He was in the 5 elite generals of that era, and he was the best of these 5 (i saw a documentary about that, and you can read it even on wikipedia). Cao Cao's army was the strongest, so he had the stronger men with him, and Zhang Liao was a complete warrior, with amazing fight skills, smartness, bravery and a strong personality.. All of these were good warriors, but Zhang Liao was just the perfect one.. (Lu Bu was strong, but he wasn't smart like Zhang Liao or others great warriors, he lost too much battles)
MrMetalfreak1337 Strange yes, because Guan Yu lost to Xu Huang at Fangcheng, fell into a Lu Meng's trap, captured by Ma Zhong and then executed.. Zhang Liao died of illness and no one beat him on the battlefield.. You talk about mithology, i talk about reality.. Another thing, remember that Xu Huang who beat Guan Yu, was in the 5 elite generals, and Zhang Liao was the best of these 5, so the best of that era
MrMetalfreak1337 I think you're mistaking something. Guan Yu is worshipped today not because he was very strong (that he was) but because of his undying loyalty to what he believed in: Liu Bei. This is why in Hong Kong (where I was born) both Police & Triad have a figure of Guan Yu at the altar: it is a prayer of loyalty & pledge, less of all-out strength. But as a fighter & general of the 3 kingdoms era, as Loredano explains, Zhang Liao was nearly unbeatable in battle. Only old age let to his death, yet his name on the battlefield incites fear at the enemy camp.
Tottenham Hotspudz guan yu fight lubu and wail guan yu defend xiape vs cao cao zhang liao sed i kant kill guan yu its more strong than me i have taktik to let him sraondid
MarianoRyu Are you stupid or blind? Can you not see how strong Zhang Liao is ? Lu Bu and Zhang Liao they were once comrade. And the top of that Li Dian and Zhang Liao, they defeated an enemy force of 100,000 with only 800 soldiers.
assi kicker - I think you fail to understand the comments I made. See my very first comment: Zhang Liao: "Yeah, but who's running away now?" I know full well Zhang Liao is strong. He's my favorite guy in Wei!
This scene was dope and did Zhang Liao justice and all but everyone forgets that this was near the end of the Battle of Changban. Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun were both drained from saving other men and constantly creating openings for Liu Bei’s escape. In Guan Yu’s case, he just came back from serving Cao Cao and that’s why Zhang Liao said he’s indecisive because Guan Yu’s mind wasn’t set straight on what he wanted. He wanted to go back to his brother but also still felt like he hadn’t repaid his debt to Cao Cao for taking him in instead of killing him. So his will to fight with true judgement wasn’t there because as we know Liao looked up to Guan Yu as a teacher and mentor. Put everyone at full stamina in this fight and Guan Yu is winning this solo. Adding Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun on top of that wouldn’t even be fair that would be overkill. But still, a very great scene that portrays how much on the backfoot the Shu Forces were from constantly running from Cao Cao’s forces and trying to seek refuge while also trying to save as many civilians as possible.
This needs more attention. Chronologically, Zhao Yun and Zhang Fei would indeed be drained after what we see them do in the Shu Story, so I assume they were resting when Zhang Liao was fighting Guan Yu, since they don’t show up until after Liu Bei was concerned about Guan Yu. Also with Guan Yu, you’re right, his mentality wasn’t completely on track.
Long live Wei, nice how Zhang Liao was practically Lu Bu incarnate handling these three Champions of Shu like that... lol. "You don't know ... when to QUIT!" Hurls em them aside, lol.
I like the inconsistency of the game from dw6 that shows Zhang Liao doesn't stand a chance against enraged Zhang Fei on Chang ban to dw7 on how Zhang Liao easily resist gangbang from Shu highest generals
Liu Bei: "Guan Yu! Are you alright???" What Guan Yu should have said: "NO nikka, help me! Don't just stand there you got two good swords in your hand start swinging. You just standing there stupid as hell with your dam fluffy headpiece as I'm fightin for my life against a guy with two bigass axes. I swear when we get on this boat I'm slapin the shit outta u"
Keep in mind, Lu Bu was youngish when he died, Guan Yu lived significantly longer. He probably grew more skilled, experienced and maybe stronger by the end of his life.
Zhang Liao was truly known for his victory against Wu on He Fei. With only 800 men of Wei, Zhang Liao managed to drive Wu forces back, which Wu outnumbered Wei with a totally great number of troops. Psychologically, officers of Wei who was in He Fei would give in or be down. This battle proves how brave Zhang Liao was. So, yes, historically, he IS totally awesome. About him being defeated by Ding Feng, I'm still not sure about the detail. Can someone tell me about the detail of Liao defeated by Feng?
Wu outnumbering Wei in that fight is a bit of an understatement, Wu marched with 100,000 troops, and although Zhang Liao had about 7000 at the time he refused to force them to come with him, only taking 800 when he rode out. Zhang Liao caught the plague and died while marching home, after one of the later battles against Wu. Him dying in battle was made up in re-tellings to make it more interesting. Which is the farthest thing from the truth, as Zhang Liao's true story is far more interesting, and it raises the question as to what would have happened if his health hadn't failed him. A famous quote before the start of his last battle was a warning to Lu Fan from Sun Quan, "Zhang Liao may be sick, but he is still as invincible as ever." Which in the end turned out to be true, despite dying immediately after the battle ended, he still defeated Lu Fan's entire force.
Ruder Nine if his health didn't failed him, Wei will conquer all.. I don't know for sure about he vs ding feng, but you should remember, he originally Lu Bu's man, but after the battle at Xia Pi, he joins to Wei.. so Zhang Liao isn't always win..:)
Ruder Nine His death was unrelated to his feats at Hefei/Xiaoyao Ford. It came during the early days of Cao Pi's reign, which gives about 5-7 years between Hefei and his death. And he died in his 50s which was really the average lifespan for the era. In his Sanguozhi biography it states "natural causes", and that warning about him being "ill" was incidental, not that he had an ongoing battle with a plague or something. And the Wu troops suffered from dysentery after the siege of Hefei,
Naif Alhumood Alright sorry, by Plague, I mean just general sickness, (My bad) which although isn't the end all be all as to what was most likely to have happened to him, is the most common assumption considering Cao Pi's care of him. And I never said that his death had anything to do with his fights... Why would they that doesn't make any sense. Where's that coming from, because I'm rereading my comment and I'm not sure where I could have misspoke i that regard.
Um, in history Zhang Liao would easily have his way with any one of those three. He was a far greater warrior than any of them were. And he never "admits" that, don't make shit up like that.
OldSchoolECW boy. he admits that theyre greater "warriors". im not talking about commanding here...And no he has less fighting capabilites than Zhao yun and Zhang fei. Guan yu is overrated in novel because he is "god" so i cant compare that
No, he doesn't. You're just making shit up now. And "in the novel"? Are you talking about the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel? That was fiction dude. Zhang Liao was a better commander AND a better warrior than those three and it wasn't even close.
You are right, KOEI is biased towards Shu, but they were referring to Liu Bei's benevolence, not The rest of them. And throughout the story, Liu Bei stood morale until his brothers died.
A lot of people don't know the difference between Fictional Shu, and the real Shu. I love the Fictional Shu. Hell, when it comes to the games i'm pretty much biased towards them. But, the Real Shu, on the other hand...you pretty much explained it already so I don't need to say anything. lol. The real Shu was pretty unstable, when it came to generals.
The only possible way Jiang Wei could've became emporer was if Zhuge Liang overthrew Liu Shan like he was supposed to, but chose not to do. And yes, the generals followed him. They disagreed with his constant attacks on Wei but they knew he was loyal and was a great general, but like I stated before, he didn't know when to quit, and it became the reason for his downfall.
@Derinfrekans Now their deaths. If i remember correctly Zhang Liao died of an arrow wound from a fight with Ding Feng. In Guan Yu's case it took the combination of Cao Ren, Pang De, Yu Jin, and Xu Huang on Wei's side. Lu Meng, Lu Xun, several of Wu's better mid card generals, and I think Gan Ning was in this campaign too on Wu's side. Add in the betrayals of Mi Fang, Fu Shi Ren, Meng Da, and Liu Feng on Shu's own side and then after a long campaign we finally have a dead Guan Yu.
I was talking about Zhang Liao though ... but I'm referring to the stats I've seen in ROTK III and X, still amazing how Zhang Liao just TOSSED those three near invulnerable warriors around- rather humorous lol.
Of course he couldn't, that was my point from the start, Zhuge Liang not taking over like he was supposed to prevented Jiang from ever having that chance. And again, considering how Jiang Wei had FULL military commands of Shu's entire army, and I mean the ENTIRE army all through out Shu, he could've easily revolted if he wanted to, but again, he didn't, and he never was going to. I'm not saying he should've, I'm simply stating he could. The fact your denying that shows how much you don't know.
They say at the height of their strength, Zhao Yun was the greatest of all the Ro3k era warriors... with Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, as well as Zhang Liao meer steps behind him
yea, same with most other famous people in the era. Not a lot of famous generals really got killed in the battlefield, mostly because they didn't fight a thousand enemies by themselves.
Jiang Wei was renowned as being not only smart but a great military leader, but his passion got in the way and as a result he failed miserably at everything he tried. His attempt to declare dependance for Shu was genius, and almost worked, in fact had Zhong Hui's troops not turned against them, his plan most likely would've worked.
then u know General Yang and General Yue from Song dynasty.... They have defeated about 100.000 army with just about 1.000 and win. maybe dynasty warriors should add secret characters out of three kingdoms
Zhang Liao- never stopping the Way of The Warrior. "YOUR BLADE IS INDECISIVE... I COULD NEVER... LOSE TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU!!" Sometimes the student easily crushes the teacher. *Sure this is DW7 and overdone, but Zhang Liao did chase down all these people, through peons, soldiers and the brothers to kill Liu Bei.* Sure he failed to kill Liu Bei, how the heck could anyone kill him at that point? Remarkable scene nonetheless.
His northern campaigns were opposed because he was draining Shu's resources, but what was scary about it was that Jiang Wei didn't realize what damage he was doing to Shu. He thought he was doing what was best for Shu but in reality he was destroying Shu with his campaigns. That's why they were fearing how much power he had, because he wanted to keep attacking, and he had the authority to do so.
And also, it appears as if you've completely misunderstood my point. I'm not denying the impact the Sima clan made. They were the reason the Jin Dynasty was started in the first place. And yes, the Sima's were a big reason for Shu's demise, but it is a well established fact that Liu Shan did more damage to Shu than Wei did. But in the end, it doesn't matter. If Jiang Wei were to have taken over, Wei still would've won. There is no denying that. Shu never stood a chance.
Zhangfei scared off Caocao's men in Zhangban by himself. The novel included the part where Zhangfei's men make noise and dust in the forest behind him to make their enemies think Zhangfei's reinforcement has arrived, but in Zhengshi, there's no such strategy. Caocao's army couldn't go near him because they were scared of him.Xiahou Dun,despite popular image, was not a great fighter or general. He barely won in any battles and was more of a army farmer, but a nice guy who earned people's respect.
ah i loved Zhou Yu's death :( was so dramatic, they could have given him the same death with him saying how much did he walked the path of the warrior and how tough it was :P i'd love that
Zhao Yun is like fucking Batman. Something happens he gets a signal "Oh! Some lady needs help with groceries! TO THE YUN MOBILE" "Oh! Some badass just defeated my lords top warriors! TO THE MUTHAFUCKING YUUUUUN MOBILE!"
It was really just him holding against Guan Yu. Then Liu Bei shows up, so he tries to kill him, gets blocked by Zhang Fei. No follow up. Then Zhao Yun comes and Zhang Liao goes "Oh crap. Anime Desperation move"... which fails. If Cao Cao wasn't 15 seconds away, he'd have been screwed six ways to Sunday.
No, I was not arguing that. There's your problem right there, I was never trying to argue that Zhuge would've won the war for Shu if he took over completely, I made it perfectly clear NUMEROUS times that Shu was screwed regardless. I was stating that the way Shu's years happened after Liu Bei died would've been A LOT different, hell they might have even lasted much longer, but they weren't going to win no matter what happened.
That still doesn't excuse the fact that not taking over Liu Shan and becoming Emperor was an incredibly stupid decision on Zhuge Liang's part. Liu Bei not only made a request, but he gave Zhuge Liang an order. No sub general would lose respect for Liang if he followed Liu Bei's orders and wishes because they would probably do the same thing.
Guan Yu was said to be one of the few people able to stand a chance in a one on one fight with Lu Bu. Add Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun and Lui Bei into a fight between Guan Yu and Zhang Liao and you are starting a ridiculously over powered fight. Don't get me wrong, Zhang Liao is one of my favorite officers, he would hold his own for a bit against just Guan Yu, but Guan Yu alone would have beat him in time.
Ding Feng is the guy that always keeps Wu alive in the last battles. If a rebellion is in Wei, he's there. If Wu attacks Wei, he's there. An historically when Shu fell to Jin he did commanded an army to go aid them, but he was too late. he was a great addition to Wu's ending story. They should add Lu Kang and Du Yu/Yang Hu tho :( those two are epicand they where the ones that conquered Wu so...
Deng Ai's 30000 troops all died except for 2500~ after his Yin Ping "tour" came to an end, Liu Shan's son, Liu Chen even said "Deng lost majority of his troop, if we are able to stay on guard for few more days, they will consume the rest of their food, meanwhile we could wait for Jiang Wei's troop". Plus Wu is sending Ding Feng and 3000+ men for reinforcement.
i know this is wei scene.That's why every wei playable wei characters are invincible (except when they fight lu bu at hu lao gate).That's why zhang liao owning the three brothers.What i mean by shu scene is that you almost always appear in dynasty warriors video where shu characters are involved.
Liu Bei was labeled benevolent, but his ambition rivals Cao Cao's. Also, Wu did not ambush Guan Yu and Zhang Fei with traitor. Zhang Fei punished his officers because he was drunk, and Guan Yu mistreated his officers.
No, it clearly isn't. Both are betrayal, no matter what way you twist your logic around it. They DID betray Wei. Sima Shi and Sima zhao were serving UNDER WEI. They stabbed Wei in the fact and killed god knows how many decedents of the Cao family. Cao Pi never rebelled, who the hell did Liu Bei break off of, and Zhang Liao and Zhao Yun weren't the kind of people that I was referring to. I was referring to people like Zhang He and Wei Yan.
In fact, this is a very good wei scene, they finally shown the might of one of the most prominent generals during the three kingdoms era, instead of the usual guan yu and zhao yun ones, (not hating on them though).
yea, and it also has to do with balance of the game. Wei has more generals, more castles and more soldiers, so they had to give better stats to some generals of Shu to balance out the game difficulty.
Thing is, Zhao yun's strength may not be as strong as some other generals such as Guan yu and Zhang Fei, but he's worshipped as "the best" for his over all rating, such as the combination of strength, intellegence, leadership, loyalty and many other aspects.
You can't "die" of old age. This is a well known fact. Zhuge Liang basically died via natural causes, which was very common at any age. As soon as you had an illness, you're chances of surviving were very slim at that time. Zhuge was definitely old, don't get me wrong, but it really doesn't matter, at any age he most likely would've died if he caught onto an illness.
no I meant Zhang Liao trying to beat Guan Yu, Zhang Fei,and Zhao Yun. that has no logic because Zhang Liao should be the one who's struggling to fight against these 3 in the cutscene. Dont you think so too?
Regardless Shu wasn't going to beat Wei in the long run. Wei's generals were still head and shoulders above Shu's, this wasn't like the days when Shu had Guan Yu, Zhao Yun, Zhuge Liang and Ma Chao, they didn't have the great commanders of those days anymore. And the fact that they were hilariously outnumbered didn't help either in terms of men and supplies.
That sounds accurate, shame about Wu just being a supporting side... :p and Shu were full of fools- without Guan Yu/Zhang Fei/Zhao Yun Liu Bei never would have made it, and Cao Cao was the genius out of ALL of the rulers of that time... no wonder usually won- until he got arrogant at Chi Bi.
You're saying I have no logic? You are literally saying that this, Wei losing trust for Jiang Wei because they thought he was going to be join Shu so they lock him outside of their castle with the enemy attacking, is not betrayal. I don't know what world or reality you are currently living in, but realistically that is a betrayal in every way possible.
Jiang Wei was locked outside the gates of his castle, he was betrayed by Wei because they thought that Jiang Wei would betray them. It was either join Shu or die, there was no escape, he was surrounded. Guan Yu tried to run away and got captured, but here's the thing, the kingdom of Shu didn't betray Guan Yu. Why should Jiang Wei be loyal to a nation that betrayed him?
In Romance of Three Kingdoms, there are more than 8 duels, where ever you read that is not true, read the book yourself if you're interested in it. Zhaoyun's most famous battle is in Chang Ban, although it's not exactly a duel, he single handly killed over 50 minor/major generals of Wei (killed some in 1v1 or 1v2) excluding soldiers(chapter 41 RoTK). At age of 7x, he duel and killed 5 famed generals from wei (chapter 92) there are still much I havn't mentioned, but those are some examples
And what do you mean Jiang Wei didn't hold a lot of power? Jiang Wei was in charge of the military commands of Shu, he had shitloads of power. He could've revolted against Shu when ever he wanted to and probably would've succeeded since it was obvious Liu Shan had no intentions of putting up any kind of fights against anyone.
Yes, in fact Zhang He's death was one of the few major fuck ups Sima Yi had, considering how Zhang He warned him of a possible ambush and Sima Yi said "fuck logic just go and attack". But again, I'm not trying to derail how great Sima Yi was, I just simply felt like pointing that out.
sun quan and liu bei would have made their dream a reality . liu bei wants everyone have good bonds with normal people and sun quan wants peace for all the 3 kingdoms something that cao cao didn't want .
Zhang Liao must have taken LuBu's weapons, that's the only way he can take on the best of the Shu army. This clip might have just been some irony that Koei put in there. It's similar too how LuBu fought the 3 brothers at Hu Lao Gate.
Guan Yu killed Yan Liang. Zhang Fei held back a bunch of men because he destroyed the bridge, not because of how great he was, and Zhao Yun just road his horse while killing barely any men in his journey to save Liu Bei's son, oh yea, Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun are definitely not overrated.
Jiang Wei wasn't a match for Sima Yi but that's not the point. I wasn't arguing that Jiang Wei would've propelled Shu to victory, he never would've. His campaigns were another reason for Shu's failures, but they would've stood a much better chance against Wei with Jiang Wei in control than with Liu Shan in control. This is an undeniable fact.
Hey Hannath Cobb they've cheated before, with Lu Bu at Hu Lao gate. Lu Bu was facing Guan Yu alone, winning- Zhang Fei runs on over, *this is in actual history too*, and the two are losing to Lu Bu which sounds IMPOSSIBLE. Then, Liu Bei rides over to even it out- then Lu bu has no choice but to flee. Cheating basturds!!! :P :P :P
Paulos This isn't in real history, the Battle at Hulao gate didn't happened in real life. It's just on the romance of three kingdoms (wich is inspired in the real three kingdoms History, but, There is some fictional things, like the Battle at hulao gate.)
It looked like Zhang Liao was winning the fight, but Guan Yu's last words before he left made it look like Zhang Liao lost. Just a humble player's thoughts. XD
Yeah, in reality/history, Zhang Liao respected and looked up to Guan Yu as a mighty and honorable warrior that he hoped to one day be as strong as. In this video, he treats Guan Yu like an inferior, and owns him AND Zhang Fei (who scared and held off the entire Wei army by himself) AND Zhao Yun (who single-handedly charged through the Wei army and saved Liu Bei's son)... In short, it seems Lu Bu has done a much better job leading and teaching Zhang Liao in DW7.
It was actually Pang de who hit Guan yu with an arrow. Cao Ren wasn't completely defeated, but he still was stuck in fan castle for months until reinforcement arrived. But Cao ren was great as well as he was able to hold out for so long with few men and supplies in such a small castle. And Yujin and 7th battalion, Wei's best, surrendered to Guan Yu. Again, flood didn't just affect Wei only, it attacked both of them but Guan was able to recover quickly. If that's not "defeat" I don't know what is
The novel is Shu bias, some of the events were dramatized to view Shu as the heroes. In fact, three brothers didn't fight Dong Zhuo and the battle of Si Shui gate didn't happen. Speaking of brothers, they aren't real oath brothers in real life, just close friends who call each other bro to the point of sharing the same bed. And to be fair, even Guan Yu admit that Zhang Liao is equal to him in the novel, the only reason he stays low because Guan Yu asked Cao Cao to spare him.
Lu Bu was rather good at leading, he just didn't rellied on strategy and relied more on mere charging and srength. He was a rather good commander and warrior, and if he wasnt such a traitor and cocky he would have been one of the best commanders in the land. (And for the record, i think Ma Chao is the best just because his armour spells "fickung epic" in all possible ways)
Zhang Liao is one of the greatest strategists in the Chinese history. He defended HeFei with only thousands vs. Sun Quan's 100 thousand men; strong Wu fighter Tai Shi Ci died in that battle. Later when Sun Quan had a chance to defeat Wei, he always held back because of that battle at HeFei. However, I don't think Zhang Liao himself could take on 4 of them at the same time....
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"your blade is indecisive, i could never lose to you" - best thing he says. Since Guan Yu fought for Cao Cao and Shu
The kicker here is Zhang Liao historically IS the STRONGEST Officer of the Three Kingdoms (not Lu Bu interestingly).
This scene really deserves justice; Zhang Liao needs more arse-kicking moments.
MrMetalfreak1337
Read actual Chinese historical texts. DW was based off of the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms which is VERY LOOSELY based off history, but not ACTUAL history.
Guan Yu is very strong physically, but Zhang Liao was without a doubt historically the strongest fighter of ancient China during the 3 Kingdoms era.
*****
Dian Wei was a very loyal bodyguard to Cao Cao, which DW portrays very accurately in-game. A very skilled fighter in history and a cool character to play as well.
Cao Ren was a cousin of Cao Cao and again history said he did lead a sizable force under the Wei flag for Cao Cao. I don't know if he was a strong fighter but he was a good general: he lead and won a fair number of battles.
MrMetalfreak1337 Zhang Liao was the best, he achieved many crucial victories, the Hefei's defense is still today one of the most incredible war events, maybe the most incredible ever.. He was in the 5 elite generals of that era, and he was the best of these 5 (i saw a documentary about that, and you can read it even on wikipedia). Cao Cao's army was the strongest, so he had the stronger men with him, and Zhang Liao was a complete warrior, with amazing fight skills, smartness, bravery and a strong personality.. All of these were good warriors, but Zhang Liao was just the perfect one.. (Lu Bu was strong, but he wasn't smart like Zhang Liao or others great warriors, he lost too much battles)
MrMetalfreak1337 Strange yes, because Guan Yu lost to Xu Huang at Fangcheng, fell into a Lu Meng's trap, captured by Ma Zhong and then executed.. Zhang Liao died of illness and no one beat him on the battlefield.. You talk about mithology, i talk about reality.. Another thing, remember that Xu Huang who beat Guan Yu, was in the 5 elite generals, and Zhang Liao was the best of these 5, so the best of that era
MrMetalfreak1337
I think you're mistaking something. Guan Yu is worshipped today not because he was very strong (that he was) but because of his undying loyalty to what he believed in: Liu Bei.
This is why in Hong Kong (where I was born) both Police & Triad have a figure of Guan Yu at the altar: it is a prayer of loyalty & pledge, less of all-out strength.
But as a fighter & general of the 3 kingdoms era, as Loredano explains, Zhang Liao was nearly unbeatable in battle. Only old age let to his death, yet his name on the battlefield incites fear at the enemy camp.
I miss this voice actor.
If you’re talking about Zhang Liao, then me too
Me too, i don't like voice actor Zhang Liao in dw 8 xlce & dw 9
Roger Craig Smith as Zhang Liao was a great choice
Yes, Roger Craig Smith is suitable voice for Zhang Liao
lol Zhang Liao turned into Lü Bu for a minute there xD
Psycho3418 dont belev plysatiion
Psycho3418 1 lu bu 2 zhang fei 3guan yu 4 zhou yun 5 dian wei 6 xu zhu 7 ma chou 8 zhang he 9 hua xiong 10wen chou 11 xiahou dun 12 yan liang 13huang gai 14 xu huang 15xiahou yuan 16 leui bei 17zhang liao 18 yue jin 19 yu jin 20 huang zhong
Yeah no, Zhang Liao>all of those guys you just named.
OldSchoolECW yo dont no any theng abaot three kingdom
Tottenham Hotspudz guan yu fight lubu and wail guan yu defend xiape vs cao cao zhang liao sed i kant kill guan yu its more strong than me i have taktik to let him sraondid
- Guan Yu: "You'll see! The day will come when our brother's virtue will overcome Cao Cao!"
Zhang Liao: "Yeah, but who's running away now?"
Just fuck you, and your brother's
assi kicker - That's more suited to Sun Quan or Lü Meng than Zhang Liao. Perhaps Xiahou Dun too.
MarianoRyu Are you stupid or blind?
Can you not see how strong Zhang Liao is ? Lu Bu and Zhang Liao they were once comrade. And the top of that Li Dian and Zhang Liao, they defeated an enemy force of 100,000 with only 800 soldiers.
assi kicker - I think you fail to understand the comments I made. See my very first comment:
Zhang Liao: "Yeah, but who's running away now?"
I know full well Zhang Liao is strong. He's my favorite guy in Wei!
Stupid pig.If this game's silly producer didn't make this stupid scene to flatter jian-liau, can you be so arrogant?
This scene was dope and did Zhang Liao justice and all but everyone forgets that this was near the end of the Battle of Changban. Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun were both drained from saving other men and constantly creating openings for Liu Bei’s escape. In Guan Yu’s case, he just came back from serving Cao Cao and that’s why Zhang Liao said he’s indecisive because Guan Yu’s mind wasn’t set straight on what he wanted. He wanted to go back to his brother but also still felt like he hadn’t repaid his debt to Cao Cao for taking him in instead of killing him. So his will to fight with true judgement wasn’t there because as we know Liao looked up to Guan Yu as a teacher and mentor. Put everyone at full stamina in this fight and Guan Yu is winning this solo. Adding Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun on top of that wouldn’t even be fair that would be overkill. But still, a very great scene that portrays how much on the backfoot the Shu Forces were from constantly running from Cao Cao’s forces and trying to seek refuge while also trying to save as many civilians as possible.
This needs more attention. Chronologically, Zhao Yun and Zhang Fei would indeed be drained after what we see them do in the Shu Story, so I assume they were resting when Zhang Liao was fighting Guan Yu, since they don’t show up until after Liu Bei was concerned about Guan Yu. Also with Guan Yu, you’re right, his mentality wasn’t completely on track.
@@challengerofchaos1007I almost became a Wei bc of Zhang Liao but I'm shu
Long live Wei, nice how Zhang Liao was practically Lu Bu incarnate handling these three Champions of Shu like that... lol. "You don't know ... when to QUIT!" Hurls em them aside, lol.
I like the inconsistency of the game from dw6 that shows Zhang Liao doesn't stand a chance against enraged Zhang Fei on Chang ban to dw7 on how Zhang Liao easily resist gangbang from Shu highest generals
Liu Bei: "Guan Yu! Are you alright???"
What Guan Yu should have said: "NO nikka, help me! Don't just stand there you got two good swords in your hand start swinging. You just standing there stupid as hell with your dam fluffy headpiece as I'm fightin for my life against a guy with two bigass axes. I swear when we get on this boat I'm slapin the shit outta u"
xD that got me laughing 😂😂😂😂
Damn hilarious
I believe historically, that did happened.
why did you just necro this, bringing all my teenage angst with you?
Me during this scene:
"KICK THEIR ASSES, ZHANG LIAO!!"
Little did Zhang Liao knew, this was the last time he saw Guan Yu alive.
zhang liao is so underrated though
Zhang Liao... one of the strongest at that time
Keep in mind, Lu Bu was youngish when he died, Guan Yu lived significantly longer. He probably grew more skilled, experienced and maybe stronger by the end of his life.
Zhang Liao was truly known for his victory against Wu on He Fei. With only 800 men of Wei, Zhang Liao managed to drive Wu forces back, which Wu outnumbered Wei with a totally great number of troops. Psychologically, officers of Wei who was in He Fei would give in or be down. This battle proves how brave Zhang Liao was. So, yes, historically, he IS totally awesome. About him being defeated by Ding Feng, I'm still not sure about the detail. Can someone tell me about the detail of Liao defeated by Feng?
Wu outnumbering Wei in that fight is a bit of an understatement, Wu marched with 100,000 troops, and although Zhang Liao had about 7000 at the time he refused to force them to come with him, only taking 800 when he rode out.
Zhang Liao caught the plague and died while marching home, after one of the later battles against Wu. Him dying in battle was made up in re-tellings to make it more interesting. Which is the farthest thing from the truth, as Zhang Liao's true story is far more interesting, and it raises the question as to what would have happened if his health hadn't failed him. A famous quote before the start of his last battle was a warning to Lu Fan from Sun Quan, "Zhang Liao may be sick, but he is still as invincible as ever." Which in the end turned out to be true, despite dying immediately after the battle ended, he still defeated Lu Fan's entire force.
Ruder Nine if his health didn't failed him, Wei will conquer all..
I don't know for sure about he vs ding feng, but you should remember, he originally Lu Bu's man, but after the battle at Xia Pi, he joins to Wei.. so Zhang Liao isn't always win..:)
kyoya tategami Zhang Liao was nowhere near Xia Pi when Lu Bu died. He was in no way responsible for that defeat.
Ruder Nine His death was unrelated to his feats at Hefei/Xiaoyao Ford. It came during the early days of Cao Pi's reign, which gives about 5-7 years between Hefei and his death. And he died in his 50s which was really the average lifespan for the era. In his Sanguozhi biography it states "natural causes", and that warning about him being "ill" was incidental, not that he had an ongoing battle with a plague or something.
And the Wu troops suffered from dysentery after the siege of Hefei,
Naif Alhumood Alright sorry, by Plague, I mean just general sickness, (My bad) which although isn't the end all be all as to what was most likely to have happened to him, is the most common assumption considering Cao Pi's care of him. And I never said that his death had anything to do with his fights... Why would they that doesn't make any sense. Where's that coming from, because I'm rereading my comment and I'm not sure where I could have misspoke i that regard.
Never thought Zhang Liao would be able to keep 3 out of 5 of the Shu Tiger Generals off of him with one swing. 4 on 1 and Shu retreats?
triple_12 its fictional. in history he has no chance against even one of them and he admits it.
Um, in history Zhang Liao would easily have his way with any one of those three. He was a far greater warrior than any of them were. And he never "admits" that, don't make shit up like that.
OldSchoolECW boy. he admits that theyre greater "warriors". im not talking about commanding here...And no he has less fighting capabilites than Zhao yun and Zhang fei. Guan yu is overrated in novel because he is "god" so i cant compare that
No, he doesn't. You're just making shit up now. And "in the novel"? Are you talking about the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel? That was fiction dude. Zhang Liao was a better commander AND a better warrior than those three and it wasn't even close.
triple_12 Zhang Liao is the greatest Wei General and considered a God of War.
Remember this day! You dare not face Zhang Liao!
Finally Koei expresses the true Might of Zhang Liao.
Master "Zhang Liao, you are a True Warrior indeed"
and this is why Zhang Liao has been my favorite since I first played dynasty warriors so many years ago
Always glad to see Shu get BTFO
Let’s not forget Zhang Liao was a experienced war veteran
Lu Bu: I’m the greatest warrior alive!
Zhang Liao: And I took that personally
What the heck is Zhao Yun doing there? He just came nowhere and was all "Hey guys, can I be cool too?"
Hell yeah... of course that's cheating. If Zhang Fei or Zhao Yun wasn't there. Liu Bei was dead four against one?
It's sad to think about, but it's true. Could even be where the term "Nice guys finish last" came from. Good ol' Liu Bei. lol
God Zhang Liao is boss as hell he is super awesome
Zhang Liao is my favorite.. play as him in Conquest mode :)
You are right, KOEI is biased towards Shu, but they were referring to Liu Bei's benevolence, not The rest of them. And throughout the story, Liu Bei stood morale until his brothers died.
A lot of people don't know the difference between Fictional Shu, and the real Shu.
I love the Fictional Shu. Hell, when it comes to the games i'm pretty much biased towards them. But, the Real Shu, on the other hand...you pretty much explained it already so I don't need to say anything. lol. The real Shu was pretty unstable, when it came to generals.
That's true, Mr. Person from 5 years ago.
Agreed, person from 2 years ago
Zhang Liao, you are a remarkable warrior.
You also have an awesome hat.
Zhang Liao and Zhou Tai are the most bad ass characters ever.
My name is Zhang Liao and I have come to fight ! Most underrated hero/General...other than Hefei he isn't given much love...i love playing as him !
The only possible way Jiang Wei could've became emporer was if Zhuge Liang overthrew Liu Shan like he was supposed to, but chose not to do.
And yes, the generals followed him. They disagreed with his constant attacks on Wei but they knew he was loyal and was a great general, but like I stated before, he didn't know when to quit, and it became the reason for his downfall.
Zhang Liao: Forgive me, My lord...
Cao Cao: Letting Liu Bei go...That's a paddlin'!
@Derinfrekans Now their deaths. If i remember correctly Zhang Liao died of an arrow wound from a fight with Ding Feng. In Guan Yu's case it took the combination of Cao Ren, Pang De, Yu Jin, and Xu Huang on Wei's side. Lu Meng, Lu Xun, several of Wu's better mid card generals, and I think Gan Ning was in this campaign too on Wu's side. Add in the betrayals of Mi Fang, Fu Shi Ren, Meng Da, and Liu Feng on Shu's own side and then after a long campaign we finally have a dead Guan Yu.
I was talking about Zhang Liao though ... but I'm referring to the stats I've seen in ROTK III and X, still amazing how Zhang Liao just TOSSED those three near invulnerable warriors around- rather humorous lol.
Guan Yu's voice in part 4 was BEAST.
Of course he couldn't, that was my point from the start, Zhuge Liang not taking over like he was supposed to prevented Jiang from ever having that chance.
And again, considering how Jiang Wei had FULL military commands of Shu's entire army, and I mean the ENTIRE army all through out Shu, he could've easily revolted if he wanted to, but again, he didn't, and he never was going to. I'm not saying he should've, I'm simply stating he could. The fact your denying that shows how much you don't know.
i love how Zhang Lia beats the shit out of Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun (almost) and then is killed by Sun Quan...
They say at the height of their strength, Zhao Yun was the greatest of all the Ro3k era warriors... with Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, as well as Zhang Liao meer steps behind him
This is why Zhang Liao is my favourite😍😍😍😍
A peon's power level is like 10. A general's power level is like 2,000. Zhang Liao's power level is 10,000.
yea, same with most other famous people in the era. Not a lot of famous generals really got killed in the battlefield, mostly because they didn't fight a thousand enemies by themselves.
Jiang Wei was renowned as being not only smart but a great military leader, but his passion got in the way and as a result he failed miserably at everything he tried. His attempt to declare dependance for Shu was genius, and almost worked, in fact had Zhong Hui's troops not turned against them, his plan most likely would've worked.
Zhang Liao was like the Lubu LOL
then u know General Yang and General Yue from Song dynasty.... They have defeated about 100.000 army with just about 1.000 and win. maybe dynasty warriors should add secret characters out of three kingdoms
Zhang Liao- never stopping the Way of The Warrior. "YOUR BLADE IS
INDECISIVE... I COULD NEVER... LOSE TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU!!" Sometimes the
student easily crushes the teacher. *Sure this is DW7 and overdone, but
Zhang Liao did chase down all these people, through peons, soldiers and
the brothers to kill Liu Bei.* Sure he failed to kill Liu Bei, how the
heck could anyone kill him at that point? Remarkable scene nonetheless.
His northern campaigns were opposed because he was draining Shu's resources, but what was scary about it was that Jiang Wei didn't realize what damage he was doing to Shu. He thought he was doing what was best for Shu but in reality he was destroying Shu with his campaigns. That's why they were fearing how much power he had, because he wanted to keep attacking, and he had the authority to do so.
You answered your own question. It was because in history he was amazing.
Keep in mind, the novel was written with shu in mind, the author had a bias while writing it.
And also, it appears as if you've completely misunderstood my point.
I'm not denying the impact the Sima clan made. They were the reason the Jin Dynasty was started in the first place. And yes, the Sima's were a big reason for Shu's demise, but it is a well established fact that Liu Shan did more damage to Shu than Wei did. But in the end, it doesn't matter. If Jiang Wei were to have taken over, Wei still would've won. There is no denying that. Shu never stood a chance.
Zhangfei scared off Caocao's men in Zhangban by himself. The novel included the part where Zhangfei's men make noise and dust in the forest behind him to make their enemies think Zhangfei's reinforcement has arrived, but in Zhengshi, there's no such strategy. Caocao's army couldn't go near him because they were scared of him.Xiahou Dun,despite popular image, was not a great fighter or general. He barely won in any battles and was more of a army farmer, but a nice guy who earned people's respect.
ah i loved Zhou Yu's death :( was so dramatic, they could have given him the same death with him saying how much did he walked the path of the warrior and how tough it was :P i'd love that
Zhao Yun is like fucking Batman. Something happens he gets a signal
"Oh! Some lady needs help with groceries! TO THE YUN MOBILE"
"Oh! Some badass just defeated my lords top warriors! TO THE MUTHAFUCKING YUUUUUN MOBILE!"
It was really just him holding against Guan Yu. Then Liu Bei shows up, so he tries to kill him, gets blocked by Zhang Fei. No follow up. Then Zhao Yun comes and Zhang Liao goes "Oh crap. Anime Desperation move"... which fails. If Cao Cao wasn't 15 seconds away, he'd have been screwed six ways to Sunday.
That’s why he’s a worthy general on Lu Bu’s army
No, I was not arguing that. There's your problem right there, I was never trying to argue that Zhuge would've won the war for Shu if he took over completely, I made it perfectly clear NUMEROUS times that Shu was screwed regardless. I was stating that the way Shu's years happened after Liu Bei died would've been A LOT different, hell they might have even lasted much longer, but they weren't going to win no matter what happened.
The look on Cao Cao's face is that. . . "This is SOOO Stupid."
That still doesn't excuse the fact that not taking over Liu Shan and becoming Emperor was an incredibly stupid decision on Zhuge Liang's part. Liu Bei not only made a request, but he gave Zhuge Liang an order. No sub general would lose respect for Liang if he followed Liu Bei's orders and wishes because they would probably do the same thing.
God I loved this little fight scene, so satisfying to play as Zhang Liao
And seeing this was just the icing on a cake
The simple answer is Zhang Liao is awesome!
Guan Yu was said to be one of the few people able to stand a chance in a one on one fight with Lu Bu. Add Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun and Lui Bei into a fight between Guan Yu and Zhang Liao and you are starting a ridiculously over powered fight. Don't get me wrong, Zhang Liao is one of my favorite officers, he would hold his own for a bit against just Guan Yu, but Guan Yu alone would have beat him in time.
Lui Bei! He's so cool!!
Ding Feng is the guy that always keeps Wu alive in the last battles. If a rebellion is in Wei, he's there. If Wu attacks Wei, he's there. An historically when Shu fell to Jin he did commanded an army to go aid them, but he was too late. he was a great addition to Wu's ending story. They should add Lu Kang and Du Yu/Yang Hu tho :( those two are epicand they where the ones that conquered Wu so...
P.S. Pang Tong didn't die of old age, he was ambushed because he was mistooken for being Liu Bei and was killed.
Might I add around 0:53 if that isn't enough to shatter those damn Shu boy's egos I don't know what is, lol.
Deng Ai's 30000 troops all died except for 2500~ after his Yin Ping "tour" came to an end, Liu Shan's son, Liu Chen even said "Deng lost majority of his troop, if we are able to stay on guard for few more days, they will consume the rest of their food, meanwhile we could wait for Jiang Wei's troop". Plus Wu is sending Ding Feng and 3000+ men for reinforcement.
i know this is wei scene.That's why every wei playable wei characters are invincible (except when they fight lu bu at hu lao gate).That's why zhang liao owning the three brothers.What i mean by shu scene is that you almost always appear in dynasty warriors video where shu characters are involved.
Liu Bei was labeled benevolent, but his ambition rivals Cao Cao's. Also, Wu did not ambush Guan Yu and Zhang Fei with traitor. Zhang Fei punished his officers because he was drunk, and Guan Yu mistreated his officers.
No, it clearly isn't. Both are betrayal, no matter what way you twist your logic around it. They DID betray Wei. Sima Shi and Sima zhao were serving UNDER WEI. They stabbed Wei in the fact and killed god knows how many decedents of the Cao family.
Cao Pi never rebelled, who the hell did Liu Bei break off of, and Zhang Liao and Zhao Yun weren't the kind of people that I was referring to. I was referring to people like Zhang He and Wei Yan.
And what do you mean he never won a major battle? His victory at Fan Castle before Wu betrayed him was definitely a major battle.
In fact, this is a very good wei scene, they finally shown the might of one of the most prominent generals during the three kingdoms era, instead of the usual guan yu and zhao yun ones, (not hating on them though).
yea, and it also has to do with balance of the game. Wei has more generals, more castles and more soldiers, so they had to give better stats to some generals of Shu to balance out the game difficulty.
Thing is, Zhao yun's strength may not be as strong as some other generals such as Guan yu and Zhang Fei, but he's worshipped as "the best" for his over all rating, such as the combination of strength, intellegence, leadership, loyalty and many other aspects.
I’m saying this right now.
ZHANG LIAO IS SLEPT ON!
You can't "die" of old age. This is a well known fact. Zhuge Liang basically died via natural causes, which was very common at any age. As soon as you had an illness, you're chances of surviving were very slim at that time. Zhuge was definitely old, don't get me wrong, but it really doesn't matter, at any age he most likely would've died if he caught onto an illness.
no I meant Zhang Liao trying to beat Guan Yu, Zhang Fei,and Zhao Yun. that has no logic because Zhang Liao should be the one who's struggling to fight against these 3 in the cutscene. Dont you think so too?
Regardless Shu wasn't going to beat Wei in the long run. Wei's generals were still head and shoulders above Shu's, this wasn't like the days when Shu had Guan Yu, Zhao Yun, Zhuge Liang and Ma Chao, they didn't have the great commanders of those days anymore. And the fact that they were hilariously outnumbered didn't help either in terms of men and supplies.
That sounds accurate, shame about Wu just being a supporting side... :p and Shu were full of fools- without Guan Yu/Zhang Fei/Zhao Yun Liu Bei never would have made it, and Cao Cao was the genius out of ALL of the rulers of that time... no wonder usually won- until he got arrogant at Chi Bi.
You're saying I have no logic? You are literally saying that this, Wei losing trust for Jiang Wei because they thought he was going to be join Shu so they lock him outside of their castle with the enemy attacking, is not betrayal. I don't know what world or reality you are currently living in, but realistically that is a betrayal in every way possible.
Jiang Wei was locked outside the gates of his castle, he was betrayed by Wei because they thought that Jiang Wei would betray them. It was either join Shu or die, there was no escape, he was surrounded. Guan Yu tried to run away and got captured, but here's the thing, the kingdom of Shu didn't betray Guan Yu. Why should Jiang Wei be loyal to a nation that betrayed him?
In Romance of Three Kingdoms, there are more than 8 duels, where ever you read that is not true, read the book yourself if you're interested in it. Zhaoyun's most famous battle is in Chang Ban, although it's not exactly a duel, he single handly killed over 50 minor/major generals of Wei (killed some in 1v1 or 1v2) excluding soldiers(chapter 41 RoTK). At age of 7x, he duel and killed 5 famed generals from wei (chapter 92) there are still much I havn't mentioned, but those are some examples
And what do you mean Jiang Wei didn't hold a lot of power? Jiang Wei was in charge of the military commands of Shu, he had shitloads of power. He could've revolted against Shu when ever he wanted to and probably would've succeeded since it was obvious Liu Shan had no intentions of putting up any kind of fights against anyone.
Yes, in fact Zhang He's death was one of the few major fuck ups Sima Yi had, considering how Zhang He warned him of a possible ambush and Sima Yi said "fuck logic just go and attack". But again, I'm not trying to derail how great Sima Yi was, I just simply felt like pointing that out.
sun quan and liu bei would have made their dream a reality . liu bei wants everyone have good bonds with normal people and sun quan wants peace for all the 3 kingdoms something that cao cao didn't want .
fuckin Zhang Liao. gotta love that honor bound bastard.
Zhang Liao must have taken LuBu's weapons, that's the only way he can take on the best of the Shu army. This clip might have just been some irony that Koei put in there. It's similar too how LuBu fought the 3 brothers at Hu Lao Gate.
Guan Yu killed Yan Liang. Zhang Fei held back a bunch of men because he destroyed the bridge, not because of how great he was, and Zhao Yun just road his horse while killing barely any men in his journey to save Liu Bei's son, oh yea, Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun are definitely not overrated.
This worked on the shu trio but against Wu this stunt cost him his life
Jiang Wei wasn't a match for Sima Yi but that's not the point. I wasn't arguing that Jiang Wei would've propelled Shu to victory, he never would've. His campaigns were another reason for Shu's failures, but they would've stood a much better chance against Wei with Jiang Wei in control than with Liu Shan in control. This is an undeniable fact.
Zhang liao vs the three brothers. thats cheating liu bei!
Yeah... Liu Bei needs to get some more warriors to stand a shot.
i know lol
Yep.
Hey Hannath Cobb they've cheated before, with Lu Bu at Hu Lao gate. Lu Bu was facing Guan Yu alone, winning- Zhang Fei runs on over, *this is in actual history too*, and the two are losing to Lu Bu which sounds IMPOSSIBLE. Then, Liu Bei rides over to even it out- then Lu bu has no choice but to flee. Cheating basturds!!! :P :P :P
Paulos This isn't in real history, the Battle at Hulao gate didn't happened in real life. It's just on the romance of three kingdoms (wich is inspired in the real three kingdoms History, but, There is some fictional things, like the Battle at hulao gate.)
It looked like Zhang Liao was winning the fight, but Guan Yu's last words before he left made it look like Zhang Liao lost.
Just a humble player's thoughts. XD
Yeah, in reality/history, Zhang Liao respected and looked up to Guan Yu as a mighty and honorable warrior that he hoped to one day be as strong as. In this video, he treats Guan Yu like an inferior, and owns him AND Zhang Fei (who scared and held off the entire Wei army by himself) AND Zhao Yun (who single-handedly charged through the Wei army and saved Liu Bei's son)...
In short, it seems Lu Bu has done a much better job leading and teaching Zhang Liao in DW7.
It was actually Pang de who hit Guan yu with an arrow. Cao Ren wasn't completely defeated, but he still was stuck in fan castle for months until reinforcement arrived. But Cao ren was great as well as he was able to hold out for so long with few men and supplies in such a small castle. And Yujin and 7th battalion, Wei's best, surrendered to Guan Yu. Again, flood didn't just affect Wei only, it attacked both of them but Guan was able to recover quickly. If that's not "defeat" I don't know what is
Guan Yu didn't see Cao Cao at Red Cliffs. The only thing you even got right there was that Guan Yu did capture Pang De.
The novel is Shu bias, some of the events were dramatized to view Shu as the heroes. In fact, three brothers didn't fight Dong Zhuo and the battle of Si Shui gate didn't happen. Speaking of brothers, they aren't real oath brothers in real life, just close friends who call each other bro to the point of sharing the same bed. And to be fair, even Guan Yu admit that Zhang Liao is equal to him in the novel, the only reason he stays low because Guan Yu asked Cao Cao to spare him.
I cant believe this was uploaded 9 years ago!
Recently lost my PS3... Now I'm playing part 3 on a hacked Xbox. I don't care I beat it like 50 times already that one is still fun!
Lu Bu was rather good at leading, he just didn't rellied on strategy and relied more on mere charging and srength. He was a rather good commander and warrior, and if he wasnt such a traitor and cocky he would have been one of the best commanders in the land. (And for the record, i think Ma Chao is the best just because his armour spells "fickung epic" in all possible ways)
Zhang Liao is one of the greatest strategists in the Chinese history. He defended HeFei with only thousands vs. Sun Quan's 100 thousand men; strong Wu fighter Tai Shi Ci died in that battle. Later when Sun Quan had a chance to defeat Wei, he always held back because of that battle at HeFei. However, I don't think Zhang Liao himself could take on 4 of them at the same time....