Key Takeaways From The Shadow of the Erdtree Story Trailer
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Wow marika creating the erd tree out of the corpses of her countrymen is metal af
And then convincing everyone they will be reborn again if buried in its roots but she simply needs to feed it
An Age built on lies, betrayal, and atrocity would fall to lies, betrayals, and atrocities. Which is how the Lands Between fell.
This concept is terrifying yet mesmerizing at the same time.
Neat!
@@cledosliop4175Messmerizing
I think all the gore marika is kneeling in is the crucible, " from which all life arose"
The gold threads are basically when marika took death out of the land of shadows, because if u look at it the erdtree can only grow if it is given dead bodies. That would mean that marika was closely associated with the death bed companions
Excellent theory. But I would expect to see "aspects" also. Tail, horn, & breath right?
This is what makes Elden ring great we're all able to speculate
The knight being the one telling us the story of Miquella is all but confirmed now with that tweet of them without the helmet. Nice one
Ey! 1 for 7, let's go!
The thought of the Erdtree being formed by those flayed corpses is quite the gruesome sight. June 21st, we will... know more anyways.
The cloaked woman in the painting COULD be the Gloam Eyed Queen, I didn't think of that. However she does look very similar to Fia and other Deathbed Companions. They're "from an unknown land" iirc, same as Tanith (the leader of the Recusants, described as a DANCER). . . I can't help but think the ShadowLand IS that land. Remember in the first gameplay trailer for the DLC we saw that red-robed figure dancing with a sword during a fight with I presume a player character. I always found it odd some of the NPCs were from lands with names (must be in the same realm as the Lands Between) while others were from "unknown" or "far away" lands. Deathbed Companions are shunned in The Lands Between IIRC, correlating with things such as snakes and Omen (all of which are VERY prominent in the Shadowlands). And finally I can't ignore how Rykard's boss room looks VERY SIMILAR to the opening shot of the trailer; gore and bodies everywhere, stacked in piles, flayed/burned skin. Not to mention homie's a literal snake lol.
I think we're going to get a lot of clarity & revelations in this one. Gonna be a good one, boys and girls.
More likely a dead bed companion.
I mean; these wars would explain why the Lands Between are so... empty. Between this and the Shattering, its no wonder the Erdtree was growing weak. If it feeds on the bodies of the dead, their runes perhaps, then no wonder its a faded remnant sending out minor erdtrees and seeds everywhere. We travel the lands and with a few exceptions, its empty cities, small camps of soldiers, burnt and broken homes long abandoned, empty overgrown farmsteads, and fields where possible former livestock just wander unattended.
Its got that Skyrim feeling of "okay, this city has like, fifteen people in it at *best*."
I 💛 all of it.. "Pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. There is nothing more terrifying."
The x"proof" dried liver craft able item is a mirror image of the crucible scene
One thing's for sure. The drip is real, and no NPC will stand in the way of my Elden Bling.
I too have come to the conclusion that Melina is not the daughter of Marika but of the Gloam Eyed Queen. I had the revelation while watching a video on an Italian channel in which he talked about the 3 butterflies that can be found in the Land Between and how the Smoldering Butterflies previously attributed to Melina could actually better represent Messmer. I always had suspicions about the fact that Melina was Marika's daughter, her hair for example she was the only one of Marika's children who didn't have blond or red hair but pale brown. But the little detail about the Butterflies put every single piece of the puzzle in place: Melina claiming to have been born and received her mission (burning the Erdtree) from her mother at the foot of the Erdtree, which we now know is in the Land of Shadow. Her Scar..It was never understood what "flames" had caused the scars that she has on her body, now in the trailer we see a woman linked to the Godskin Apostle who, while she is in despair, is consumed by Messmer's flames. Melina's connection with Torrent and his "spiritual" nature, like Melina he is also originally from the Land of Shadow (and probably like her, died during the "Purge").
I tried to explain this to the channel owner but he rejected it due to the fact that in a data mining it wa found the Melina's internal name is "Marika no musume" (Marika's daughter). But I tend to take data mining and cut content with a pinch of salt, there's a reason if some things didn't make it into the final game....
I think Messmer & Melina are the offspring of Midra & Marika. The fact that they both have kindling to ignite the erd tree & one of Messmer's items talking about "a sister". I believe she gave birth to Messmer and Melina before marrying Godfrey and allowed Messmer to accompany Godfrey to kill the fire giants and then banished him to the realm of shadows afterwards.
I think a major switcharoo that may happen is Radagon turns out to be the original and Marika was created by Radagon's actions.
I was thinking that because the figure looks slightly masculine and has reddish tinge to hair
Been waiting for your analysis 👀🙏
I’m thinking that pot full of bodies got up from that big wall missing a big chunk of bodies 🤷
Ive been waiting for squares take on this! Thanks for the video ❤
Fun how that to activate the dlc is supposedly to have it after the battle with the star scourge.
I saw some pictures I think it was from event in Korea. But it had a picture of the shadow lands and in the bottom right you could see a site of grace. Those might be the runes of Miquella that make us stronger. The new level up mechanic we keep hearing about
I suspect that piece of concept art is from development before they decided these would be the new sites of grace, but I could absolutely be wrong
@@square-table-gaming we could all be very wrong, but that is the best part about speculation :) I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos!
Best breakdown I've seen. Everything fits and is logical. Great job.
Fantastic video. Well done!
YES! I’ve been thinking about how Melina must’ve been in the Land of Shadow for month’s (wanted to make a video about it but I severely lack the means and skills to do it).
So good to hear both you and Smough talking about it. Now I don’t feel completely insane anymore 🤣
Was waiting for your breakdown!
Been waiting for this one finally 🙏
Interesting assumptions! I'm not yet sold on the figure surrounded by flames being Melina, but it's a cool idea!
These theories are probably the best. I’ve heard yet, good job man.
The connections between Miquella and Melenia makes sense also that Malenia would be the daughter of The Gloam Eyed Queen. But I don't think The Gloam Eyed Queen was killed by Marika in this moment since we know that she died by Maliketh and after the rune of death was separated from the elden ring. Which must have happened later in the timeline. So I'm not entirely convinced about that portion of your theory though I suppose The Gloam Eyed Queen could have been defeated but not killed at this moment of time.
it makes sense that the person sitting in the flames of a burning city, completely unbothered, could be someone we know who can generate fire from within their body. Maybe she’s using Messmers flame that she retained from that night to burn the Erdtree in the vanilla game
This trailer SCREAMED Berserk to me ! It feels like we are in the “BlackSwords Arc” also in the first trailer there was literally a guy in the Guts “BlackSwordMan” Armor shooting the crossbow Guts had. I’m so hyped I’m gonna go back and read Berzerk again before this drops . Miquella gives me straight up Griffith vibes, the first trailer made it seem like we should fear him “How terrifying” now this trailer makes it seem like he’s this holy being . I’m still not sure how to feel about him and for some reason they are trying so hard to make Messmer look like the bad guy. Building him up to be this big bad guy who’s pure evil . I feel like he’s gonna have a good reason for the way he is, maybe Marika turned him into a monster then abandoned him possibly. And I’m so hyped to run with this new group of tanished! Truly does feel like we are gonna be a member of this “Band of Hawks” looking group , I feel like their / us the tanished are gonna get betrayed by him or have to make a decision to pick one of two endings maybe . One ending siding with Miquella and fullfill his goal (still not sure what his goal is possibly the eclipse of some sort to push him to Godhood like Marika since he’s empyrean) and he’s been pretty much following her exact same path & like you mentioned before they are very similar. The two half’s that share a body being saint trina & the creation of an ErdTree / Haligtree , and now going to the same place she achieved Godhood. I really think that’s his plan is to replace Marika. The process in which Marika became a God seems bloody, like a great purge, an absolute nightmare maybe she had to sacrifice someone she cared for as well? Someone like Messmer? Somewhat like the eclipse I feel we and this band of hawk looking group may be the sacrifice Miquella needs to achieve Godhood along with everyone else he has bewitched. Or , siding with Messmer possibly ending the era of the ErdTree that was founded upon a lie, death, and betrayal and bringing about a new Age and he ends up being not so bad in the end . I’m excited
Edited: also the first trailer made it seem like we were viewing Miquella from the perspective of someone who doesn’t see Miquella as this holy being, someone to be feared .
This trailer seems to be from the perspective of someone who worships Miquella, one of his followers who has been bewitched by his a-lore.
That’s also why I think we have two/multiple endings .
There's a new screenshot with a blonde dude holding his Sword and a lot of people say it's Miquella I doubt that because you can see the helmet and that helmet is shown in both trailers that knight is the one we see in the new sites of grace or maybe Miquella rune anyways all the DLCs are in the past let's hope we see Marika herself not only lore from the npc just let us talk to her!
Keep up the good work
I think it’s st Trina in disguise as the blonde has the same braids as Miquella
It's one of Miquella's followers, actually we can see this character in the trailer.
@@kalemnir I know I’m saying she could be st trina , but hiding her true identity
@@kalemnir All of them are but as I said some people believe he is Miquella but I doubt it he is some random npc
Yes, thank you, I totally agree that the burning figure is the daughter of the GEQ, who I believe to be Melina. I have been saying this in comments since the trailer came out lol. I came to the same conclusions about that shot being where she became burned and bodiless, and the GEQ's body being absorbed into the Erdtree being a way to explain how Melina's mother (whether GEQ or imprisoned Marika) is in the tree. It also explains how, after her burning deat in the lands of shadow, she was "born at the foot of the Erdtree" with foggy memories and given her purpose by her mother.
I want to say Melina is the product of a GEQ/Marika union (seduction/affair?) because of her unique gold and gloam eyes, and her access to Golden Order spells and ability to deliver Destined Death. This theory also fits with the file name for Melina referring to her being Marika's daughter, and explains why she would have deep knowledge of Marika's past words.
I didn’t kill Malenia coz I know I’ll follow her brother’s footsteps and probably meet him so he’ll see how good natured I am as a tarnished
The very best breakdown and theories based on the DLC trailer
This video, your line of thinking where Mov & hir brother with horns were pumishment for Marika's deed with the shadowlands, makes me wonder if the rot that affects Malenia maybe from Marika doing something to piss off the old outer god of rot. I mean how many people (gods, demigods, non-humen & humen, etc.) did Q.Marika fuck over? Its like her MO at this point
Oh yeah, she got a die after this one Markia cannot be allowed to live
I wish he get to see what Godwyn fully looked like before dying.
I wonder if Miquella's runes are something we actually need to pick up to level up our character since it's been said power increase will be " Sekiro like ". So we'd literally be gathering Miquella's " blinding strength " basically.
Incredible lore dive as usual and I believe when the dust settle you will be proven correct.
Just noticed that shot of St. Trina sinking looks a bit like a Nascent Butterfly
And a St Trinas Lily.
Got a shadow of the erdtree ad before this video
Corporate Synergy!
I think that caped character towards the end of the trailer (your part 6) could be saint trina, now they're their own being similar to radagon and markia.
U KNOW WHAT!?
I think what we see is her plucking out the rune of death and sealing it away from the dead gloam eyed queen's belly, at the moment she ascended to a god. Marikas/Radagons Soreseal is the same symbol.
I think Marika was reaching into the eye of the Gloam Eyed Queen. I think they are sisters. Marika was the younger sister... idk tho
I was kind of thinking that too
It kind of looks like Godwyns eyes found around areas deathroot grows.
This a good guess on a lot of things well see how it goes
I think the theories are sound and I am almost certain we should get a new hubworld, because where else would you upgrade the different way of powering up for DLC section (if you can call whatever it is we will be doing powering up). Also a question is do you think we will be getting new places in the land of shadow or will it be like bloodborne where some of the places we know from the base game is just morphed slightly. I used to think this but if the land of shadow existed before marika crated the erdtree as theorised from the trailer, then perhaps she also created some of the loctions that are downhill from the capitol, or if not created changed the landscape quite a lot. Could perhaps be some sort of answer to why the big sculls are found in Caelid etc. I know this is WILD speculation. Don't remember much lore details on speaking of things before the erdtree so I might be missing something that could disprove this instantly, but maybe it is something to think about
I am certain that every area of the DLC will be new. They've put way too much time and effort into this for there to be a ton of asset flipping.
It makes complete sense why Miquella is no longer fit to be an Emperyan since he abandoned his fate, and it has to be a woman, reminds me of Fia literally birthing the rune in her quest line. Then just imagining Marika ripping grace from the Gloam-eyed Queen right after Maliketh got done using her as a chew toy… damn…
Wow, that is wholesome! I am sure that figure in flames (1:03) is the woman from that portrait, standing beside the man (someone in tumblr called him 'ouchlord' I like that😊), figured it out while wayching the trailer for the second time. Didn't think about her being GEQ, but wow... sounds reasonable! Never liked that 'Melina is GEQ' theory much, but her being her daughter (wanting revenge on the Golden Order and the Erdtree, being burnt thus not favoring flames) is solid!
I don't quite agree on St.Trina though. One of Miq's followers, that sleeping figure in the purple field, might be following her in the first place, not Miq... Also while Miq's trapped in the Land of Shadow, she may be his manifestation, appearing in the Lands Between, looking for aid, guiding others to him... that knight, again... IDK, we just have to wait and see who's right!
All your points seems logical to me , but I think that we probably gonna meet either of them , Miquella or st Trina , at least at the end of the journey . Does this mean that Miquella even abandons his sister Malenia , leaving her in the lands between or does she know that he is going and that he is gonna keep his promise to her ?
Unfortunately we can't know, but I suspect we'll either learn that he thought the answer to curing her would be in the Land of Shadow or he abandoned her along with everything else. In-game lore always describes his motivation as looking for a way to cure her, so it'd be interesting if that's not the case.
@@square-table-gaming it will be sad if he abandoned Malenia , knowing that she is waiting for him in the haligtree . I think the promise he promised her has something to do with his pilgrimage to the land of shadows
Did you see the new twitter post with image of the knight? I agree with you this seems like an important character but it could be closer to Vyke then Gideon.
I swear if the Melina cloak we recover is a burnt one 😡
Yay!
Now i wonder, are the lands between something Marika created or opened a portal to.
If the former then i suspect she is essentially like a daedric prince that manifested her own realm of oblivion
If the latter i think the golden star carrying the elden beast was actually also carrying her and that was her arrival to the lands between from the shadow realm
hello bro, i was waiting you to make this video , first of all what the connection between Messmer the Impaler and the dragon , why he has a dragon wing and he can move it , this wing is not a part of his armor, second did you notice the stitchers on the belly , did the god slayer kills the pregnant lady is the baby well be a god ? so Marika steal his grace ?
Marika is stealing grace from the belly of the Gloam Eyed Queen in order to take the Elden ring. As for Messmers dragon imagery, it's impossible to know for now.
I do wonder, given the views of several Lore theories on this trailer, could Messmer actually be a child of Radagon and the Gloam-Eyed Queen. This is assuming Marika and Radagon could swap back and forth even back then, but if it's true, it explains how Messmer existed so long ago, why he has Radagon's red hair, and why he's still considered Marika's child. Like Enia says, "The Demigods are each and all the direct offspring of Queen Marika," this includes Ranni, Radhan, and Rykard.
I’ve watched many of the breakdown analysis and this is the best one yet. Everything you said I thought about myself before seeing this video. Many other breakdowns seemed way off the mark. We’ll soon find out for sure. See you in the land of shadow.
I've noticed emphasis is placed on the word "affair" by the English speaking community... But that line in Japanese is just "the birth of gold" in English.
Plus the Gloameyed Queen's husband is Placidusax.
I can't recall anything in the lore pointing toward the Gloam Eyed Queen and Placidusax even existing at the same time let alone her being his wife.
@@square-table-gaming Placidusax is the first Elden Lord.
The Gloameyed Queen is an Empyrean (神人 lit godperson) and "ruled with Destined Death" a rune of the Elden Ring.
Meaning the Gloameyed Queen possessed the Elden Ring before Marika got her hands on it to take Destined Death out of it.
The words "queen" and "god" are used as nigh synonyms in Elden Ring.
And what is the husband of the god/queen who possesses the Elden Ring called? It's not king. It's Elden Lord.
This also explains why the Godskin Nobles have draconic physiology.
EDIT: And her being Placidusax's lost/missing god is because Marika and Maliketh killed her.... Or maybe banished her and she's been stuck in these shadow lands.
I know we have all tried to place Messmer’s birth and parentage in the timeline and make it fit, but it just occurred to me- why? Why does he need to be a child of Marika? Why can’t he be a husband? Marika has a history of putting her husbands away… this would explain the betrayal, seduction, and affair we hear. And I know Messmer refers to her as Mother, but it would not be amiss for any religion, cult, zealot, fanatic, or even royalty to want to be referred to as Mother. We have many modern day examples (Queen Elizabeth) where a population referred to her as queen mother or mum. And works of fiction, like a song of ice and fire, where the populace called Khaleesi “Meesa“ or Mother. Religions refer to their gods or goddesses in maternal and paternal ways. So again, I ask… what if Messmer was her first husband and waged this war for her. Then she betrayed and hid him away? Even would explain when Messmer taunts “wouldst thou lordship sanction in one so bereft of light?” as more derogatory and exasperated. Like “really? You left me and this is who is your consort?”
Mostly because Miyazaki said he was a child of Marika haha
@@square-table-gaming did he? I thought he only said that he stands on equal footing as the demigods?
@@richarddemke1290 that's what I thought too but the translations do specify
I think that the guiding knight is St. Trina in disguise . Elden ring had posted a new photo unmasking the leading knight of the followers and it is a female looking figure in blonde hair with the same braids as Miquella , so my guess it’s st Trina , disguised as a follower of Miquella after she was abandoned by him and we will have to kill her in the end to get to Miquella
I'd be more inclined to believe this if the knight was carrying the sword of st trina
@@square-table-gaming well we found the sword in the lands between so either it was a replica we found and I don’t believe is or st Trina disguises herself as a knight and her cover would have been blown if she carried her own sword .
10/10 video
Hold up. If St. Trina is part of what Miquella had to abandon to escape his empyrean status (above and beyond his body), did Ranni have to give up a similar persona? Or is she fundamentally different for being half blooded? Or... Are these persona-splinters the product of something that happens to empyreans, like Millicent and her sisters from Malenia? Elden ring has a crazy number of plant metaphores, are the alternate personas like offshoots caused by stress and not intentional? I'm starting to think the "empyreans are female aside from Miquella" is a false conclusion we based on the scarcity of them and Marika's huge personal fertility kink.
Miquella splitting from St Trina is fundamentally different from Ranni splitting herself into a doll. Ranni killed her flesh using destined death so that her spirit could be freed and placed inside of a doll, we do not know exactly how Miquella separated himself from his fate.
Miquella is the eldest child, gold hair. So he was a husk before Marika met Godfrey. Melania’s twin is Mesmer, they both have red hair and Melania never calls Miquella her twin. That would mean the fell god and the scarlet rot god infected the twins.
Is it possible that Miquella abandoned his fate as an empyrean to become Saint Trina Entirely? Like how Ranni chose to abandon her original body, but he was forced to as a way to survive and escape Mhog?
I'm betting on the opposite based on us being told Miquella cast aside his empyrean flesh
Wait I’m confused, what’s the difference between this? Is there context I’m not aware of?
@@earningknight2326 empyreans are women aside from Miquella, so "casting aside his fate" would be casting aside the feminine side of himself, st Trina, the part that was fated to be an empyrean. So in this case Trina is no more and we're left with Miquella
Wait no I mean like cast aside the Miquella side for St Trina if that makes sense. St Trina’s domain is in dreams right? So what if she escaped Mhog through dreams? Or is this not possible?
Just speculation 😂😂we won’t know till the game come out. I hope you come out with a video titled”everything I got wrong about Elden ring lore in the last 2 years” thank you
Why is nobody talking about how Melina hands are burned?
She's the kindling maiden, burned and bodiless, it makes sense for her hands to be burned... especially if she died holding a weapon...
Im still ride or die on Miquella IS Mesmmer. The story trailer only reaffirmed it. Which I kinda hoped there would be something that unequivocally broke it given how much shit I have caught over expressing it online. (some rightly so due to presentation) But it is what it is and nothing breaks it.
With that, while everyone points to the bracelet confirming Marika, The bracelet is NOT present in the next scene whilst holding the golden tendrils hewn from the gods. The figure is DEEPLY masculine build and even haves Miquellas signature braid.
Now what I take away is that Marika was the first Godskin. THe "shadowlands" are INSIDE the erdtree (along with some serious tardis geometry)
That Miquella is no more and we are following Miquellas ghost of sorts. Miquella made pilgrimage to the shadowlands and it was there he hatched the plan to divest of gold and invest in shadow. Then returning to the Hailag tree in order to be "unbirthed" int Mesmmer and the rune we see is miquellas rune which by absolutely no coincidence what so ever is the spear of the elden ring form.
I liked the theories presented but it all feel a bit too predicated on communal assumptions, like Melina is the gloam eyed queen and similar "accepted" theories that have never been confirmed.
So I actually do not think Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, but a relation who inherited her power.
@@square-table-gaming Apologies, I did not mean to insinuate that. It was the most recognizable "accepted" theory that most the community at large has just gone along with cause it on paper makes sense. So for my end it was just as a reference point to all the many "accepted" theories. Admittedly a lazy error on my part.
Though I do like that prospect of inheritance. Quite a bit.
Why did you call Mesmer's spear "Deathblight spikes"? It doesn't look like he has anything to do with deathblight
Many have pointed out that Messmer creates what looks like the coiling spears of deathblight found in the mountaintops of giants. His flames seem to harbor both red and black, a combination of death and flame.
No, that was not the Gloam Eyed Queen in the photo.
We won't know for sure until June 21st
@@square-table-gaming If Melina is not the Gloam Eyed Queen then why was Maliketh sent to kill her??? We already know
@@BigBoss-sr6ur Melina is not the Gloam Eyed Queen, we're not claiming that. We're saying the Gloam Eyed Queen was her mother. Maliketh killed her at the order of his empyrean Marika. We're presuming that Marika taking that gold at the very beginning was after Maliketh killed the GEQ.
@@square-table-gaming Those Strans of Gold she is holding are literally Melina then. She snatched her from the womb
#7 been proven wrong. Has been shown that have grace
only in a piece of concept art which easily could have been produced before our rest points were finalized. Never trust concept art for confirmation of the final product.
@@square-table-gaming Gotcha thank you for the heads up
It has never crossed my mind that all empyreans - aside from miquella - were women. Perhaps the gender bending is the only reason he is one... What a great catch
The Gloam-Eyed Queen's corpse is not in that heap. It was turned into the fingerslayer blade.
The finger slayer blade was created out of a corpse yes, but it's tied to the eternal city which I don't believe has any strong ties to the Gloam Eyed Queen since we have no godskins or dark flame originating from there. If the "high treason" committed by the eternal city is linked to the corpse of the blade, it wouldn't have anything to do with the Gloam Eyed Queen as she was killed by Maliketh.
@@square-table-gaming When Marika usurped the throne, The queen fled to the eternal city, married the lord of night, raised an army of the godskins using mimic tears, and launched the God-hunt, targeting Marika herself. That was the "high treason".
@@armandaneshjoo none of that has evidence in-game though, it's all theory with nothing to back it.
@@square-table-gaming The shape of the blade, the lord of night lore, the Nox culture with mimic tears, the Asimi questline, the name gloam-eyed "queen", the name "god-hunt", and so many other hints and bits and pieces have been compiled into so many videos by lore hunters. I just put them together for you. Saying "The gloam-eyed queen's corpse is probably in that heap" or that "This is probably Melina" is more of a theory with less evidence.
It's not theft when you are the victor in a war... just saying
I mean, it most certainly is, especially if you're the usurper haha
Yeah, it kindof is. Is that not saying the same thing as: it's nit a crime if you don't get caught? Is it not a crime if you have a gun/more guns? Are there other crimes/actions you would justify via show of strength? SA? Do you support looting?
If someone beats you up, is it not theft to then take your wallet?
500th like 😂
Nah
cool
I’m not looking for credit. I’m not looking for views. I just want the secret out.
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Careful he's probably one of black knife assassin 😊@@square-table-gaming
Wtf are you talking about 💀
Put a link to the video in one of my other comments
@@taconinja4802 still very confused at what you're saying, what video?
i feel like you are reaching alot.
Theories gonna theory 🤷
Thats kinda the point. While there is a definitive lore set by Miyazaki. He wants people to come to their own conclusions, whether spot on ir far fetched.
baller
I think marika was the god slaying queen and this is how she ascends, by slaying most of the gods and using their essence to create the erdtree
“His Fate” could be someone he was destined to wed as well.