Why wasn't the handball the liverpool player did on a man u corner not checked by var, it was also next to his head. What about the Darwin Nunez intentional elbow that doesn't get a red?
I don't understand VAR at all. There was no check for the Liverpool potential handball OR for when Nunez clearly intentionally clattered one of our defenders with no eye on the ball.
Michael Oliver has it in for both UTD and Liverpool - He received gifts (including first class travel/accommodation) from from the owners of Man City for officiating low level matches in the Middle East. This was such a conflict of interest that the PGMOL have now banned the practise. Man City owners will have to find more creative ways to influence refs as they are the loophole masters with more lawyers than Mr Burns. Michael Oliver should be investigated also as there is plenty of evidence of his bias against City rivals
It’s feels harsh because it came in fast and the shot was going straight to the keeper. His hand was out and it did block a shot on goal (even if it wasn’t a good shot). Pen all day. Only thing I felt hard done by was the handball shout the other end not even being shown.
@@Lucky210309 As a Liverpool fan, it was quite harsh, but rules are rules, and even if the keeper was saving it, it still interfered with the attack, and still stopped a potential goal scoring opportunity, even if it wasn’t going in.
Liverpool also did a hand ball far worse and Oliver ignored that also VAR Oliver in 10 yrs had not given 1 red card to a Liverpool player in the same time he had issued United 8 red cards Nunez should have got a Red deliberately trying to injure de Lite
I would actually say that de ligt is an expensive mishap m8🤣 I mean how much did you lot pay for him again remind me? honestly he nearly cost you that match yesterday it was just a stupid thing to do re the handball he dived in needlessly for the gakpo goal aswell imo but overall as a liverpool fan I will accept that the result was fair in the end tho anyway🤔
@@Dmaj089no it was a stonewall pen and de ligt was over priced m utd paid too much for him bayern must be laughing all the way to the bank that m utd paid that much for him he is way past his best 🤣
vvd handled down the other end and var was on tea break. nunez should have been sent of var on tea break. was var only looking at man utd. shocking referring again
I'm a United fan. If it affects the ball's trajectory for the benefit of the player then it's a handball. This was a handball. However, in SO many cases the same thing happened to United and nothing was given. Against Tottenham this week, it was a clear handball but wasn't given.
Need to remove these stupid goals from football. Whatever the ruling for handball easy goals just ruin the game. Less penalties please. One or two a season for each team is more than enough. Maybe reduce to the 6 yard box. Don't know but just something please.
Umm no that's the not the criteria for handballs. You have to consider deflections and how close the player was to that deflection. Then there comes intention. Was it intentional or just mere lack of reaction time due to the deflection /proximity to the player. These should consistently be give not a pen
Does anyone remember that Romero handball that wasn't given at Tottenham last season? If the var officials are going to be so selective in what they review, then maybe the teams should be able to challenge an incident that isn't reviewed?
Why wasn't Nunez given RED for his foul on De Light? He sized him up and played the man not the ball and hit his shoulder into his chin! De light could have been seriously injured!
Refs need to apply some common sense to their interpretation of the rules. To give a penalty for hand ball the ref should be certain that the player deliberately positioned or moved his arms with a view to blocking a shot. We're talking milliseconds between the Liverpool player heading the ball and the ball hitting De Ligt's arm. A bit of common sense would tell you that the defender had no time to metally process the idea putting out an arm to block the shot. So clearly accidental, but of course the ref gets a slow motion clip which i might add he only looked at once and gave the penalty within seconds. How did the ref have time to apply common sense? Seems like a premeditated decision.
It’s a clear penalty. Although I’m a Utd fan I’m not delusional because I know if that was against a Liverpool player I’d be absolutely screaming for a penalty. His hand is literally above his shoulder.
He quickly twisted to try and get to the player who was about to head the ball and ended up with his arm flailing above his head. The ball changed directions so fast there is no way he could have even had time to think of blocking it with his hand. A bit of common sense is needed by these refs.
People need to realize, 99% of handballs are due to accidental contact; but they're handballs none the less. That was a stone cold penalty, especially with the ball going towards the goal.
@tafadzwatidolski7487 VAR is awesome when it's used correctly, you'd have to ask the people that run VAR, why it's so inconsistent. Human error I guess? VAR allowed Brentford to score an offside goal last year, so maybe the EPL VAR technicians aren't up to par?
Did you expect anything else with Michael Oliver reffing , hates United we should have won that game but with him in charge we were lucky to get a draw
It’s one of those frustrating ones where it’s a pen but really the hand ball was the best outcome there for the attacking team. The shots going straight to the keeper! But defo a pen.
The current rule forces defenders to either keep their balance during action with their hands literally on their backs, or just move their bodies naturally while just praying the ball doesn't deflect onto their arm. I think it should only be a handball if the defender had any chance to move his arm out of the way. In this case he clearly did not, so it shouldn't be a pen.
It was a clear handball and a penalty, and it doesn't matter how fast the ball was traveling according to modern day football rule. What makes is more clear is that the ball was going on target, so handling it prevents a goal scoring opportunity. Coming from a United fan.
I agree, crazy that United didn't get a penalty for exactly the same thing isnt it. VAR didn't look at it and Sky didn't even show a replay. Guess that's Anfield for you.
Joe Linton was just lucky yesterday because his arm was in a “natural” position but imo he definitely moved it towards the ball. De Ligt should have had his arms tucked. It was a correct call
So many similar hand balls dont get given. 1 yard away , where is his hand meant to go in that amount of time . Shocker of a decision, but at Anfield infront of the Kropp I'd expect nothing else
de Ligt's arm shouldn't be up there in the first place but you don't seem like the guy to have any objectivity on this matter if you call that a shocking decision.
"1 yard away , where is his hand meant to go in that amount of time ."... TAA's cross is floated in via his left foot, it's coming diagonally... he has all that time to react and position himself....he's coming off his man (Nunez) to get tight to MacCallister... so there is absolutely no way he should be coming forward doing jumping jacks/the mexican wave.. in that situation is there. During all this, he's never within a yard of any liverpool player... so he had an eternity to make a decision, arrived late, and then reacts by throwing his arms in the air despite knowing Mac Callister was always going to win that header ahead of him... that's the context here. So going back to your question, he can do what ever he wants.. a yard in this situation is actually quite a lot given the trajectory of the cross, there's no excuses for his arms to be above his head... like why?
Agreed on natural position, just because his hand is high doesn’t mean it’s not natural. He is turning and running and his arm kicks up as a result. Sick of defenders having to glue their arms behind them rather than actually defend
The only issue on de ligt handball was the proximity of de ligt to the player kicking the ball and the refs thought he was far enough away. His hand is in an unnatural position so its handball . Some you get,some you don't but every situation and game is different.
It's a handball. Unlucky but his hand was in an unnaturally possession but you didn't the VAR review the other handball in the Liverpool box. We didn't even get a replay
Pardew is right on this one … absolutely spot on .. the ball rebounded on his chest to his hand .. yes his hand was high.. but he had no intention to stop it with his hand .. bad refereeing or if he goes back to watch it again without the pressure from the Kop .. he would be kicking himself for giving that …
@turbo9321 He was just slightly barging him, then Amad stopped like doing it back, and then it was a foul, and they got a free kick. It wasn’t a major foul, like yellow card worthy, but fair play to Amad, as he did well to stop and get the foul.
Law should be this: unintentional handball (which still carries a little grey area but not much) indirect free kick. Intentional handball direct free kick or pen if in the box. So this incident would have been an indirect free kick. You still get punished for the handball but it’s not as severe as a pen which 80% of the time results in a goal.
All you pundits suffer the same double standards on the one hand you say that the defender can’t react and get his hand out of the way but when the goal keeper saves from point blank range its superb reactions?
It’s the rules that are wrong. By the letter of the law, it was a penalty but due to the speed of head to arm contact is split second stuff, so it shouldn’t be a penalty!
This is also Oliver the man that awards pens and red cards to everyone, except City it seems. I mean the guy booked McGuire for a clean tackle where he clearly plays the ball and not the man, Oliver was right on top of it & still booked the guy. He’s an absolute joke of a ref, but when something hits a hand the question is asked but you don’t always get consistency. How many decisions at full speed have been overturned because the ref has looked at it in super slow motion which makes it look far worse than it actually was. I didn’t have to even see the hand ball, as soon as they said Oliver was going to the screen I said “pen”, if you give him a chance to make the decision for a pen then he will make it. It’s the age old intent thing, did a player by putting his hand up intend to deflect the ball to get an advantage? Or was it the brain reacting in a nano second to protect the face etc? If it was an instinctual reaction of self protection then by definition there is no intent. One thing is for sure, VAR has caused more debate and controversies in its relatively short life than the decades before it existed, or at least it feels that way. And we still get poor decisions so it isn’t really fit for purpose. It was supposed to be quick, accurate & consistent to reduce human error, nah.
Any other sport a foul is a foul a hand ball is a hand ball a penalty all day, you can’t say oh he didn’t mean it, how do we know that so any handball is a foul!!
If it were applied consistently nobody would mind. But Romero wasn't penalised for handball vs United. Nor was the LIVERPOOL player who hardballed it. No wonder United fans believe N. Oliver is biased.
The issue is no one tells these rule makers who dont play football how an athlete jumps for one and you either have to take that into comsideron or handball is handball end of and stick with that , the other issue is when somone deflects or a ball is played in a certain way that it hits your arm you have to then assess did the player have anytime to react quick enoohj logically if its not their fault the balls hit there hand because thats the main issue with most penalties for handballs and now with the lets tuck our arms behind our back movemone causing players to get mugged off for not being able to stand properly and defend out of fear someone will either aim to do it or it hapoens by accident its slightly differnt than a plain and simple it hit his hand its a penalty when most times it cant be avoided quick enough
Unless we want footballers to look like Irish traditional dancers this concept of “unnatural positions” will always cause controversy. The biggest problem I see with the referees is that unlike cricket, the referees have little or no experience of actually playing at the highest level and therefore have no insight, only a rule book to follow and committees to answer to.
Please review the Wolves v Forrest game and the 'handball' not given and compare it with this. The referee and VAR was a disgrace. Then look at the Nunez foul, he should have received a straight red. He could have broke De Ligts jaw. The referee and VAR should be ashamed....
From FA law 12: Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned. It was nailed on!
I can count several times when other players done the same thing, but no penalties were given specifically because there was no time to react. I get his arm was up unnaturally but c’mon. You can’t pick and choose when to give a penalty in those situations. Michael Oliver couldn’t have pointed to that spot quick enough.
Because that’s a natural movement when you’re flying in for a block or a tackle. Go outside, run as fast as you can and jump into a sliding tackle and see what you do with your arms. I guarantee they aren’t staying stuck to your side.
My problem is consistency. I remember very well the same referee Michael Oliver did not even go to VAR when a ball was shot at Romero against Tottenham. The explanation was that he was in close proximity. Why apply rules differently? De ligt was literally closer than Romero was.
A deflected header by Harry onto Marcalister onto De Lit who was literally next to him a pen? What a big joke. VVD handball and Nunez intentional elbow ??
The only unnatural movement of your arm is a break or dislocation. Otherwise it can naturally move in any direction it is capable of doing. The word “unnatural position” needs to be removed from the explanation of handball because it is used in the wrong context.
There is big money riding on these matches. Matches have external influences. It could easily be the moment where Liverpool's run starts to slow down and Man City starts to catch up. It is now a game of betting odds.
The problem is not wether it was a pen or not the problem is the same thing will not be a pen the next game. And it often happens to teams in the bottom half of the table or the ones playing against Man cheaty
I have been watching football nearly 40 years, that is a penalty every day of the week. The job of the referee is not to interpret the intention of the player. All they have to judge is: was the hand in unnatural position or not. If the hands were on the sides and the ball hit them with speed then obviously you could make the case, but up that high? No chance!
This is something that needs fixing. Its harsh and stupid to give a penalty for that. They need to take into consideration the power and direction the header is going. If it didnt hit de ligts arms that was bouncing straight into Onanas hand so it wasnt denying anything
@@CHILLIFLAMES come on don't be silly. it was a soft header going towards the keeper. I see the Liverpool handball wasn't checked even tho it was a arm up high in an unnatural position but var didn't seem to want to see that one.
United fan here.Its a clear pen.However,the inconsistencies is what irks me.Against Totnm,no pen.Handball in Liverpool's box during United's corner kick,var did not even pick on it.
Come on. It's a handball. Very unfortunate, arm in air, changed direction of ball and would have gone to a Liverpool player. Not even a conversation. From someone who doesn't support liverpool.
That was a penalty, but why can't it be like that for every other team? Why it's only a penalty for some and not for the rest? Our players shouted for handball in Liverpool's box, but var didn't even check, they just acted as if nothing happened.. But on the other hand, yes, i am grateful for this performance, but these players are so indiscipline that, they play superbly today, and then disgrace the club and the fans the game after.. I still think that a lot of them need to go, because this has been going on for years now, and I've had enough..
Clear handball , crazy Liverpool agenda these lot have, the amount of handballs that happen for other teams that are the exact same and u don't say anything but when it's Liverpool it's controversial
It is irritating but at the end of the day if your arm is that high and away from the body, there is no choice but to give a penalty. Plenty of those types of situations have resulted in penalties in Serie A this season.
You saw the liverpool handball about 3 mins before? The liverpool player's hand was up by his head and hit his hand only yet var didn't intervene? There wasn't even a deflection for the liverpool one. Just hit his hand straight yet no pen. No one saying de ligt one wasn't a pen but if that was one then definitely the liverpool handball is even more of a pen.
Wrong. Involuntary reaction because he thought it was coming towards his face. But a handball since it blocked the ball and changed the trajectory of the shot.
@@philiq18 Yeah but still if you're putting your hand above your head you're running the risk of a penalty been given. I go back to probably wrong example Jacob Greaves he's now at Ipswich but before he played for (Hull City where I'm from) and we played against Everton in the FA Cup twice he put his hand above his head and granted they wasnt given. If it was down the side yeah I understand cos it's in natural position but it wasn't you can't do that in any football match its not volleyball
@@shivamanick1987 they wasn't as big as a reaction to that one as the De Ligt one surely De Ligt must know the risk by putting your hand in front of your face. You could see on De Ligt face he knew he did something wrong in that moment. To be fair to De Ligt his keeper should've saved the penalty he raised his arm and the ball went under him he should of put his hand on the floor maybe it wouldn't have gone in
Jason Cundy showed us the book and we got ex pros who still can't get it right. Please start yellow carding and sending off presenters who don't know the rules. Make it a thing.
The guy who headed it against De Ligt also ends up with his hands above his head, is that not natural when you are trying to manoeuvre yourself in the air?
Handball is handball period. Ball to hand or hand to ball means the same thing. That’s only way it can be fair. Any how ball interferes with the hand should be called. Anything else is subjective. Almost all hand movements to a person’s positioning are natural. So who decides what should be considered natural??? England officiating is spoiling football. It’s absolutely Idiotic!
If you dont think thats a penalty go and watch netball then cause there is absolutely no reason his hand should be there and its going towards goal so denial of goalscoring opportunity
Var didnt even check for the handball shout from the man utd corner but jumped on the liverpool one
That's how it should be 🙂
@fearlessformidableferociou8623 kl
Of course they did
Why wasn't the handball the liverpool player did on a man u corner not checked by var, it was also next to his head. What about the Darwin Nunez intentional elbow that doesn't get a red?
Where can I see it. What minute was it. Don't think sky showed it back
Nunez should have been sent off.
Clear pen to UTd and Nunez should have gone but its anfield and i expected nothing
@@user-kn8un4ru8p Didn't even check it VAR
Well thinks like this we just have to get over it and move on to the next game
I don't understand VAR at all. There was no check for the Liverpool potential handball OR for when Nunez clearly intentionally clattered one of our defenders with no eye on the ball.
@@vin8754 nunez got a yellow ,it was a yellow. Mad to complain about that. The ref handled it
Your clueless
Im noticing united fans mentioning the handballon the other end and everyone else just ignoring it
Michael Oliver has it in for both UTD and Liverpool - He received gifts (including first class travel/accommodation) from from the owners of Man City for officiating low level matches in the Middle East. This was such a conflict of interest that the PGMOL have now banned the practise. Man City owners will have to find more creative ways to influence refs as they are the loophole masters with more lawyers than Mr Burns. Michael Oliver should be investigated also as there is plenty of evidence of his bias against City rivals
Exactly. VAR is sometimes messing up the game with all this rules 🙄
It’s feels harsh because it came in fast and the shot was going straight to the keeper. His hand was out and it did block a shot on goal (even if it wasn’t a good shot). Pen all day. Only thing I felt hard done by was the handball shout the other end not even being shown.
dude a defender blocking a shot with the arm over his head in the box is harsh? LOL
@@Lucky210309 As a Liverpool fan, it was quite harsh, but rules are rules, and even if the keeper was saving it, it still interfered with the attack, and still stopped a potential goal scoring opportunity, even if it wasn’t going in.
@@pokeboy9481 Completely agree
Hate these easy goals. Need to remove them from football.
Liverpool also did a hand ball far worse and Oliver ignored that also VAR Oliver in 10 yrs had not given 1 red card to a Liverpool player in the same time he had issued United 8 red cards Nunez should have got a Red deliberately trying to injure de Lite
I'm a United supporter, but that was one of the easier penalties to give. Unfortunately de Ligt is a bit prone to expensive "mishaps" like that.
I would actually say that de ligt is an expensive mishap m8🤣 I mean how much did you lot pay for him again remind me? honestly he nearly cost you that match yesterday it was just a stupid thing to do re the handball he dived in needlessly for the gakpo goal aswell imo but overall as a liverpool fan I will accept that the result was fair in the end tho anyway🤔
Unfortunately these days there isn't a CB you can buy that isn't going to make mistakes
@@simonoliver8576you yap too much. The ball went too fast in to de Ligt's arm
@@Dmaj089no it was a stonewall pen and de ligt was over priced m utd paid too much for him bayern must be laughing all the way to the bank that m utd paid that much for him he is way past his best 🤣
@simonoliver8576 whatever you believe keyboard warrior.
vvd handled down the other end and var was on tea break. nunez should have been sent of var on tea break. was var only looking at man utd. shocking referring again
LiVARpool at its finest
I'm a United fan. If it affects the ball's trajectory for the benefit of the player then it's a handball. This was a handball. However, in SO many cases the same thing happened to United and nothing was given. Against Tottenham this week, it was a clear handball but wasn't given.
Need to remove these stupid goals from football. Whatever the ruling for handball easy goals just ruin the game. Less penalties please. One or two a season for each team is more than enough. Maybe reduce to the 6 yard box. Don't know but just something please.
Umm no that's the not the criteria for handballs. You have to consider deflections and how close the player was to that deflection. Then there comes intention. Was it intentional or just mere lack of reaction time due to the deflection /proximity to the player. These should consistently be give not a pen
Exactly
It's a penalty but utd have had a few like that and nowt is given....its the var inconsistency that drives us mad
You got one like that against PSG.
Absolutely agree with Oardew here, if the ball is atuck at a defender from a yard away it should be 'Ball to Hand' not 'Handball'!!!
If you give De Ligt pen you have to give VVD pen... its mad
Does anyone remember that Romero handball that wasn't given at Tottenham last season? If the var officials are going to be so selective in what they review, then maybe the teams should be able to challenge an incident that isn't reviewed?
Why wasn't Nunez given RED for his foul on De Light? He sized him up and played the man not the ball and hit his shoulder into his chin! De light could have been seriously injured!
We don't even care about the bad decisions anymore, we'd honestly just appreciate a level of consistency.
It was a handball, but De Ligt also had an involuntary reaction since he thought the ball was going towards his face.
Refs need to apply some common sense to their interpretation of the rules. To give a penalty for hand ball the ref should be certain that the player deliberately positioned or moved his arms with a view to blocking a shot.
We're talking milliseconds between the Liverpool player heading the ball and the ball hitting De Ligt's arm. A bit of common sense would tell you that the defender had no time to metally process the idea putting out an arm to block the shot. So clearly accidental, but of course the ref gets a slow motion clip which i might add he only looked at once and gave the penalty within seconds. How did the ref have time to apply common sense? Seems like a premeditated decision.
It’s a clear penalty. Although I’m a Utd fan I’m not delusional because I know if that was against a Liverpool player I’d be absolutely screaming for a penalty. His hand is literally above his shoulder.
Why wasn't the one identical by van dyke not given.
It's above his head
@@ashlaw4392 I don’t know what one you’re talking about
Why does his hand being up matter? Plenty reasons your natural body movement result in a raised hand
He quickly twisted to try and get to the player who was about to head the ball and ended up with his arm flailing above his head. The ball changed directions so fast there is no way he could have even had time to think of blocking it with his hand. A bit of common sense is needed by these refs.
People need to realize, 99% of handballs are due to accidental contact; but they're handballs none the less. That was a stone cold penalty, especially with the ball going towards the goal.
Then why are some given and some are not?
@tafadzwatidolski7487 ever heard of human error?
@@chriskey7440 what's the point of VAR then? It looks objective than error most times .
@tafadzwatidolski7487 VAR is awesome when it's used correctly, you'd have to ask the people that run VAR, why it's so inconsistent. Human error I guess? VAR allowed Brentford to score an offside goal last year, so maybe the EPL VAR technicians aren't up to par?
Did you expect anything else with Michael Oliver reffing , hates United we should have won that game but with him in charge we were lucky to get a draw
He made his body bigger. The header was on goal.
Pen all day.
Only thing shocking was the ref needed VAR.
It’s one of those frustrating ones where it’s a pen but really the hand ball was the best outcome there for the attacking team. The shots going straight to the keeper! But defo a pen.
The current rule forces defenders to either keep their balance during action with their hands literally on their backs, or just move their bodies naturally while just praying the ball doesn't deflect onto their arm. I think it should only be a handball if the defender had any chance to move his arm out of the way. In this case he clearly did not, so it shouldn't be a pen.
The header would have bounced before the goal 😂😂😂
It was a clear handball and a penalty, and it doesn't matter how fast the ball was traveling according to modern day football rule. What makes is more clear is that the ball was going on target, so handling it prevents a goal scoring opportunity. Coming from a United fan.
What about proximity
@@mmsmith1525 It wasn’t like where his foot was in the air before it hit him. cause his arm was up, it was a pen.
Arm above head, ball going on target, hits arm. The literal definition of a penalty for handball.
Above head????
@@SamuelPaul-oo6cuyou blind? The picture on the thumb nail literally shows this you spaz 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@FelixGallardo1946 Look at the thumbnail
No that isn't the definition of a penalty.
I agree, crazy that United didn't get a penalty for exactly the same thing isnt it. VAR didn't look at it and Sky didn't even show a replay. Guess that's Anfield for you.
Offside goal was given too, no showing if any lines either
Joe Linton was just lucky yesterday because his arm was in a “natural” position but imo he definitely moved it towards the ball. De Ligt should have had his arms tucked. It was a correct call
“Joe Linton” tell you all you need to know about this plastic “fan”
No it wasn't the correct call because the ref stop play all the time when the ball accidentally hits the arm,have you actually been watching football.
Whilst one can say the law is cringe it was a handball as his hands were in an unnatural position. Pardew is waffling
What about Van dijk hand ball
Well it would have been nice to see a replay?
So many similar hand balls dont get given.
1 yard away , where is his hand meant to go in that amount of time .
Shocker of a decision, but at Anfield infront of the Kropp I'd expect nothing else
de Ligt's arm shouldn't be up there in the first place but you don't seem like the guy to have any objectivity on this matter if you call that a shocking decision.
"1 yard away , where is his hand meant to go in that amount of time ."... TAA's cross is floated in via his left foot, it's coming diagonally... he has all that time to react and position himself....he's coming off his man (Nunez) to get tight to MacCallister... so there is absolutely no way he should be coming forward doing jumping jacks/the mexican wave.. in that situation is there. During all this, he's never within a yard of any liverpool player... so he had an eternity to make a decision, arrived late, and then reacts by throwing his arms in the air despite knowing Mac Callister was always going to win that header ahead of him... that's the context here. So going back to your question, he can do what ever he wants.. a yard in this situation is actually quite a lot given the trajectory of the cross, there's no excuses for his arms to be above his head... like why?
If it was a Liverpool player. It would not be a penalty.
😂
Virgil Van Dijk did a handball in a Man Utd corner (they didn't even bother to var check it) so you are kinda right
Agreed on natural position, just because his hand is high doesn’t mean it’s not natural. He is turning and running and his arm kicks up as a result. Sick of defenders having to glue their arms behind them rather than actually defend
The only issue on de ligt handball was the proximity of de ligt to the player kicking the ball and the refs thought he was far enough away.
His hand is in an unnatural position so its handball .
Some you get,some you don't but every situation and game is different.
It's a handball. Unlucky but his hand was in an unnaturally possession but you didn't the VAR review the other handball in the Liverpool box. We didn't even get a replay
yes alan that was a natural reaction ....... for a goal keeper
Pardew is right on this one … absolutely spot on .. the ball rebounded on his chest to his hand .. yes his hand was high.. but he had no intention to stop it with his hand .. bad refereeing or if he goes back to watch it again without the pressure from the Kop .. he would be kicking himself for giving that …
who told Deligt to start doing jumping jacks in the middle of the game?!!
Arms above his head for goodness sake!! unlucky, but its a pen all day!!
Nice you copy my Delight name 😅
But Robertson is allowed to push players when he was defending in the last minute . . Smh the EPL want Liverpool to win this season it seems
Pipe down, celebrating a draw shows how far the mancs have falling!
They are negative on VAR decisions.
@@za8696 CRYYYYYYYY
@@za8696 cry more
@turbo9321 He was just slightly barging him, then Amad stopped like doing it back, and then it was a foul, and they got a free kick. It wasn’t a major foul, like yellow card worthy, but fair play to Amad, as he did well to stop and get the foul.
Law should be this: unintentional handball (which still carries a little grey area but not much) indirect free kick. Intentional handball direct free kick or pen if in the box. So this incident would have been an indirect free kick. You still get punished for the handball but it’s not as severe as a pen which 80% of the time results in a goal.
My issue isn’t that this handball was given…it’s just the inconsistency…it’s clearly VAR trying to influence the outcome of games…
As a Man U supporter I have to say that was a definite pen
That is handball every second of every minute of every hour. The only issue is why VAR had to intervene.
All you pundits suffer the same double standards on the one hand you say that the defender can’t react and get his hand out of the way but when the goal keeper saves from point blank range its superb reactions?
It’s the rules that are wrong. By the letter of the law, it was a penalty but due to the speed of head to arm contact is split second stuff, so it shouldn’t be a penalty!
If Trent got sent off we’d of won 😂
This is also Oliver the man that awards pens and red cards to everyone, except City it seems. I mean the guy booked McGuire for a clean tackle where he clearly plays the ball and not the man, Oliver was right on top of it & still booked the guy. He’s an absolute joke of a ref, but when something hits a hand the question is asked but you don’t always get consistency. How many decisions at full speed have been overturned because the ref has looked at it in super slow motion which makes it look far worse than it actually was. I didn’t have to even see the hand ball, as soon as they said Oliver was going to the screen I said “pen”, if you give him a chance to make the decision for a pen then he will make it. It’s the age old intent thing, did a player by putting his hand up intend to deflect the ball to get an advantage? Or was it the brain reacting in a nano second to protect the face etc? If it was an instinctual reaction of self protection then by definition there is no intent.
One thing is for sure, VAR has caused more debate and controversies in its relatively short life than the decades before it existed, or at least it feels that way. And we still get poor decisions so it isn’t really fit for purpose. It was supposed to be quick, accurate & consistent to reduce human error, nah.
The problem is it be given this week but next week it be called ball to hand and it not be given
No issues with the penalty if the Newcastle goal was disallowed as well
De Ligt played defense like a basketball player. There was no reason for his hand to be up so high.
Any other sport a foul is a foul a hand ball is a hand ball a penalty all day, you can’t say oh he didn’t mean it, how do we know that so any handball is a foul!!
Not sure if maybe I missed it but did they show the lines for Gakpo goal?
If it were applied consistently nobody would mind. But Romero wasn't penalised for handball vs United. Nor was the LIVERPOOL player who hardballed it. No wonder United fans believe N. Oliver is biased.
If that isn't arm ball, we'll then call it a day. Because if that isn't arm ball, nothing will be
His hand was above his head which shows he clearly knew what he was doing in a desperate situation
The handball wasnt intentional but they arent judged that way. It was made too easy and a cop-out long ago to label every handball deliberate.
The issue is no one tells these rule makers who dont play football how an athlete jumps for one and you either have to take that into comsideron or handball is handball end of and stick with that , the other issue is when somone deflects or a ball is played in a certain way that it hits your arm you have to then assess did the player have anytime to react quick enoohj logically if its not their fault the balls hit there hand because thats the main issue with most penalties for handballs and now with the lets tuck our arms behind our back movemone causing players to get mugged off for not being able to stand properly and defend out of fear someone will either aim to do it or it hapoens by accident its slightly differnt than a plain and simple it hit his hand its a penalty when most times it cant be avoided quick enough
Unless we want footballers to look like Irish traditional dancers this concept of “unnatural positions” will always cause controversy. The biggest problem I see with the referees is that unlike cricket, the referees have little or no experience of actually playing at the highest level and therefore have no insight, only a rule book to follow and committees to answer to.
Why wasnt the one 5 mins before from VVD not even looked at ?
Liverpool fans are stuck in the 7-0 game some Liverpool fans were saying about 12-0 😂
Please review the Wolves v Forrest game and the 'handball' not given and compare it with this. The referee and VAR was a disgrace. Then look at the Nunez foul, he should have received a straight red. He could have broke De Ligts jaw. The referee and VAR should be ashamed....
Just scrap the handball rule altogether ( unless someone grabs the ball deliberately )
From FA law 12:
Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned.
It was nailed on!
I can count several times when other players done the same thing, but no penalties were given specifically because there was no time to react. I get his arm was up unnaturally but c’mon. You can’t pick and choose when to give a penalty in those situations. Michael Oliver couldn’t have pointed to that spot quick enough.
@@TheOriginalEwanit just means the others were wrong lol 😂
Definitely a penalty why his arm so high
Because that’s a natural movement when you’re flying in for a block or a tackle. Go outside, run as fast as you can and jump into a sliding tackle and see what you do with your arms. I guarantee they aren’t staying stuck to your side.
My problem is consistency. I remember very well the same referee Michael Oliver did not even go to VAR when a ball was shot at Romero against Tottenham. The explanation was that he was in close proximity. Why apply rules differently? De ligt was literally closer than Romero was.
A deflected header by Harry onto Marcalister onto De Lit who was literally next to him a pen? What a big joke. VVD handball and Nunez intentional elbow ??
Have you ever played football?
It's a shot on target that he stopped with an arm in the air. Stone cold penalty.
The only unnatural movement of your arm is a break or dislocation. Otherwise it can naturally move in any direction it is capable of doing. The word “unnatural position” needs to be removed from the explanation of handball because it is used in the wrong context.
There is big money riding on these matches. Matches have external influences. It could easily be the moment where Liverpool's run starts to slow down and Man City starts to catch up. It is now a game of betting odds.
The problem is not wether it was a pen or not the problem is the same thing will not be a pen the next game. And it often happens to teams in the bottom half of the table or the ones playing against Man cheaty
It’s wasn’t even a pen in the same match. It happened with VVD but not even looked at.
if Man U don,t follow this performance up , it won't be very meaningful.
If it wasn't on goal it'd be a different situation.
I have been watching football nearly 40 years, that is a penalty every day of the week. The job of the referee is not to interpret the intention of the player. All they have to judge is: was the hand in unnatural position or not. If the hands were on the sides and the ball hit them with speed then obviously you could make the case, but up that high? No chance!
If it’s in the rules then it is a pen. If I was a Liverpool supporter I’d be fuming about Trent Alexander Arnold’s performance as he was a disgrace.
He's not saying the decision is not conform the rules. He's saying the rule should be different and I agree.
@ I didn’t say I disagreed with that, I said if it is in the rules it’s a pen.
May its time to start signing player without arms. No more hand ball situations 🙃.
Should just be deliberate handball.
This is something that needs fixing. Its harsh and stupid to give a penalty for that. They need to take into consideration the power and direction the header is going. If it didnt hit de ligts arms that was bouncing straight into Onanas hand so it wasnt denying anything
😂 if if if. And your acting like a keepers never let a ball into the net after getting a hand to it or the ball going to an opponent after a save
@@CHILLIFLAMES come on don't be silly. it was a soft header going towards the keeper. I see the Liverpool handball wasn't checked even tho it was a arm up high in an unnatural position but var didn't seem to want to see that one.
False penalty and an offside goal for Liverpool United were the better team bottom line
United fan here.Its a clear pen.However,the inconsistencies is what irks me.Against Totnm,no pen.Handball in Liverpool's box during United's corner kick,var did not even pick on it.
Chicken wing arms is now a handball.
What would stop players saying 'it was accidental'? This needs to b6 punished.
Come on. It's a handball. Very unfortunate, arm in air, changed direction of ball and would have gone to a Liverpool player. Not even a conversation. From someone who doesn't support liverpool.
The hand ball Rule has to change to any hand ball should be a penalty no excuse
That was a penalty, but why can't it be like that for every other team? Why it's only a penalty for some and not for the rest? Our players shouted for handball in Liverpool's box, but var didn't even check, they just acted as if nothing happened.. But on the other hand, yes, i am grateful for this performance, but these players are so indiscipline that, they play superbly today, and then disgrace the club and the fans the game after.. I still think that a lot of them need to go, because this has been going on for years now, and I've had enough..
It was never a handball , but it was at anfield!
Clear handball , crazy Liverpool agenda these lot have, the amount of handballs that happen for other teams that are the exact same and u don't say anything but when it's Liverpool it's controversial
It is irritating but at the end of the day if your arm is that high and away from the body, there is no choice but to give a penalty. Plenty of those types of situations have resulted in penalties in Serie A this season.
thats a penalty , why the guestion mark
It was a penalty. He put his hand up like he was directing the traffic. I rest my case
You saw the liverpool handball about 3 mins before? The liverpool player's hand was up by his head and hit his hand only yet var didn't intervene? There wasn't even a deflection for the liverpool one. Just hit his hand straight yet no pen. No one saying de ligt one wasn't a pen but if that was one then definitely the liverpool handball is even more of a pen.
They want Liverpool to win the league@@shivamanick1987
Wrong. Involuntary reaction because he thought it was coming towards his face. But a handball since it blocked the ball and changed the trajectory of the shot.
@@philiq18 Yeah but still if you're putting your hand above your head you're running the risk of a penalty been given. I go back to probably wrong example Jacob Greaves he's now at Ipswich but before he played for (Hull City where I'm from) and we played against Everton in the FA Cup twice he put his hand above his head and granted they wasnt given. If it was down the side yeah I understand cos it's in natural position but it wasn't you can't do that in any football match its not volleyball
@@shivamanick1987 they wasn't as big as a reaction to that one as the De Ligt one surely De Ligt must know the risk by putting your hand in front of your face. You could see on De Ligt face he knew he did something wrong in that moment. To be fair to De Ligt his keeper should've saved the penalty he raised his arm and the ball went under him he should of put his hand on the floor maybe it wouldn't have gone in
Jason Cundy showed us the book and we got ex pros who still can't get it right. Please start yellow carding and sending off presenters who don't know the rules. Make it a thing.
the problem is not is it the handball or not, it is just the rule that bullshit, sometime yes sometime no, such a low level standard
If that was a penalty,,why was the van dijk handball not checked .... Utd were robbed of a win
I have checked my eyes with the guys motherd who asked me to check and its not a penalty.
What is Pardew on about????? Having your hands above head height is never a natural position!!!!
The guy who headed it against De Ligt also ends up with his hands above his head, is that not natural when you are trying to manoeuvre yourself in the air?
Parcel is correct! Don’t know what you’re talking about.
@jayaustin1939 who is parcel?
Never played a game of football in your life have you!
Would have loved to hear you if you were managing a team and that was given for you,
Van Disneys handball was 5 minutes before - MUCH WORSE
LFC gifted a draw
Disgraceful how referees judge on anfield
It’s a soft rule. Let the ref decide them ones. And if you give it, be consistent
Definitely at penalty, talkSPORT just need a topic and reaction. (United fan)
The ball was heading towards the goal. Definitely a penalty.
Let’s wait and see, I’m not holding my breath just yet.,
Handball is handball period. Ball to hand or hand to ball means the same thing. That’s only way it can be fair. Any how ball interferes with the hand should be called. Anything else is subjective. Almost all hand movements to a person’s positioning are natural. So who decides what should be considered natural???
England officiating is spoiling football. It’s absolutely Idiotic!
If you dont think thats a penalty go and watch netball then cause there is absolutely no reason his hand should be there and its going towards goal so denial of goalscoring opportunity
they just wanted liverpool to win the league that is why officiating are so poor.
Everyone saying obvious pen have never played the game.
Haha we didn’t hear off pardew until his Newcastle contract ran out 😂