After listening to whole story, I am convinced the writers either don't care or actively hates mtg lore, they did not do research into mtg lore before writing this.
Its like this they had endless time. For example they could training learn live, but dont age. The new OIL that can complete planeswalker its different than the original oil of yawgmoth. I think we will see then breaking somewhere in the middle of another story. Maybe elsewhere in time. Inistrad... the oter plane where the monster evolved to counter the oil. The next enemy its Lady Emrakul
One theory I’ve seen is that Urabrask is still alive. Looking at the cards, the flavor text of Merciless Repurposing has Urabrask’s limbs chopped off, Elesh Norn didn’t kill him in order prolong his pain; “let the traitor be”. It’d be cool if he did survive. All of the other praetors died because of their own evil ideologies, so it’d make sense thematically for his to still be alive. “Now that we’re done with the fascist takeover, it’s time for arts and crafts!”
It'd also make some sense that because he didn’t submit to Elesh Norn his faction wasn't crippled by Norns death. (Although, it was odd how many Furnace Dwellers are in MoM cards on the side of Phyrexia, so...)
It would be neat to have the Phyrexians go from a “Gotta compleat ‘em all” mentality, which we’ve already seen in Urza Block, Invasion Block and the current story arc, to a “Join Urabrask’s Awesome Club for Attractive People and get free sick knife arms” mission statement. It’d be fresh and different.
Man, all the big villains died so fast. I was really interested to see Atraxa and Ixhel fight with themselves on what it means to be themselves vs The One. Which also brings up an interesting point on that ‘theory’ that all the Phyrexians are rendered inert. There were clearly some that had their own motives, and were able to interpret their ‘orders’ in creative ways. Wouldn’t having none now release those particular phyrexians?
You also didn't take into consideration that Jace and Vraska are missing. Jace seemed to have somehow kept his mind and later restored Vraska's. It's not a stretch to think that between the two they might have been able to find a way to keep themselves active after the signal was lost. This means we have 2 Phyrexian planeswalkers out there right now. While both have their minds and wouldn't want to spread the oil and risk a third Phyrexia, as we saw with Karn; ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. Also, the Jace's mental immunity might not be permanent. The oil might eventually corrode them to the point that they DO want a third Phyrexia with them as the new Mother and Father of Machines. Until it's revealed what happened to the pair, I think THEY are the biggest chance at Phyrexia 3.
@@travisthomas5434 Nope. She was fatally injured and Ral ran off to stop other Phyrexians while she slowly died where she fell. But Jace came in and apparently healed her cause she wasn't dieing anymore. Also at the end of the chapter Ral is told specifically that "We couldn't find her body." Meaning that either Jace healed her just enough so that she wouldn't die and then carried her away or he healed her enough that she could leave with him under her own power. We still don't know which yet, just that she's alive and with Jace.
What you mean? We still have the Great Urabrask. I believe Urabrask is still alive. My examples include: 1. In the card, Merciless Repurposing, the flavor text reads that "after" they stripped away Urabrask's limbs, Urabrask "heard" elesh norn say "let the traitor be". (This to me reads like, even after Urabrask got his limbs stripped away, he was still alive, because he "heard"). 2. In the story his parts were sent off. We don't know where they took Urabrask. I believe that Ixhel will be able to find Urabrask (still alive, but kinda still missing some parts) and she will be able to rebuild him. 3. Phyrexians are masters at raising what was once thought dead brought back. Examples: Vensor and Slobad. 4. How I know Urabrask will be alive still? Easy, New Phyrexia is trapped where time is "slowed". Phyrexians are masters at repurposing parts to make more Phyrexians. Ixhel showed us that when she made Vishgraz out of Geth. With a lot of time on their hands, Ixhel can still save Urabrask. Sincerely, From a Red and Black Phyrexian, Disciple of Urabrask. P.S: Plus I know that my first reason is kinda mute, because wizards kinda lies to us when they say that both the story and the cards line up. Big example is Sheoldred. How is she fused with Drivnod and has her head back? (Probs maybe elesh norn brainwashed?)
I think the part about the story and the cards contradicting each other can be seen with Merciless repurposing. This is because Urabrask is chopped up in the story, or at least it is unclear, but it is heavily implied he is the one being chopped up and not his limbs. In fact, Norn never states that they shall leave him be and Elspeth instead remarks that what remains of him is a hot pile of screaming sinew.
This seems to be a trope now in MTG when it comes to the larger evil forces: Putting the baddies into stasis. Emrakul in the Silver Moon, Bolas inside Ugin (I forget the details), and now New Phyrexia outside of the timeline.
I mean technically youre not wrong, Ugin is the Plane and Bolas its only inhabitant Until Jace's body is found technically no one knows about Emmy now too
Another nugget they forgot: the planar bridge is still on New Phyrexia Also if they only evolved independently of Yawgmoth, it can evolve independently of Norn and all those planes are dripping in oil. Even without New Phyrexia that oil can eventually evolve to be active and corrupt any of those planes on their own and it only takes one to be lucky enough to make another Phyrexia. Elspeth was a dummy and prioritized the lives of the people and places she knew over the multiverse at large and now the infection will probably spread more death than the Sylex ever could, Jace was right.
You're right, but also they don't care. They'll bring up your point if they want to revisit the storyline, otherwise it is on to the next multiverse-ending event.
Elspeth also evolved into a multiversal security system whose mere presence weakens Phyrexians, so I wouldn't say that was the bad move. Especially when Phyrexia proved that they were barely a threat anyway. Blowing up hundreds of unknown planes to stop bad guys who fold to ORDINARY RHINOS would've been overkill. MOM showed Phyrexians basically getting stomped on nearly every single plane, even without Planeswalkers to help.
There was also a line I remember reading where Karn was lamenting what became of Mirrodin something along the lines of how many other planes could he have unknowingly tracked oil to. So perhaps a different strain of Phyrexians, much like how the Praetors functioned totally different from Yawgmoth’s Phyrexia…
Pretty sure he traveled to those other planes to see if he did leave oil there after the Scars set, that’s the reason he didn’t stick around to fight New Phyrexia
I have two very separate theories as far as a new "strain" is considered, the first sort of lies with the "identity" of the "ruler of phyrexia", for the first generation of Phyrexians it was very much Black led. Yes, at that point Black wasn't as well thought out about it's more selfish amorality, rather than just evil like back then, but even then you can still see the twinges of modern black. While even if we have the other Preators, the second generation was very much led by Elesh Norn, and thus was more white led. What I could see using that line of thought, it either being Blue through Jin Gitaxias and maybe some back up plan of his, and the phyrexians on other planes, which could also make his death seem less cheap. Another possibility is Red through Urabrask, and this way it wouldn't be objectively evil like phyrexia has been in the past, but just as twisted. Or, simular to what someone else said in a different comment, Green led through Vraska helped by Jace, due to them being compleated still but very much missing. All three of those options for that first theory could work, and just rotate around with what color is in the lead. The second theory is probably more piggy backing off of what Aetherhub made me think of, the next generation of Phyrexia could be colorless artifact creatures, as we did get one color at first, then all five, and the next step could be none of them. With this second theory, to diversify the cards somewhat, there could be active abilities which require different colors to use, maybe as a nod to the previous generation of phyrexians there could even be leaders of sorts which act as the "brain", but maybe as they would be more "one" it would just be different "organs" or "functions".
My theory on Elesh Norn and the oil is that her control was a product of the new 'oil 2.0' that can compleat planeswalkers. It's important to note that 'oil 1.0' caused a victim's soul to leave the body during compleation, which is why planeswalkers were immune. Their spark was in their soul and too powerful for the oil to displace. 'Oil 2.0' compleates victims without displacing the soul, arguably skipping the last step of the process. My guess is that 'oil 2.0' required an additional control mechanism to keep the soul in check, and that's what Norn used.
I think it's a miss: new phyrexia is in a similar situation that k'rrik was but inverted, instead of having more time in comparison to the outside, they have less...so actually is a disavantage, for every effort they do towards reconstruction a lot more time had passed outside. The thing with zhalfir is that they worked 10 local years preparing for invasion, but know that the worlds know about phyrexia it's plausible that they will make contingency plans. So it's ironic that new phyrexia can be rendered obsolete in this situation; the way I see they coming is with all the oil and carcasses in the myriad of worlds...remembering that just a few drops of oil started the mirrodin situation (I personally think that the whole "disconnection" thing was rushed and asspulled, very lore inconsistent)...or they prove themselves reaching the time gap with sheer force (wich I doubt since they didn't overwhelm the planes, they striked by surprise and numbers and still got matched in various places).
Zhalfir was taken out of time, which means they weren't slowed, stopped, or given infinite time. Imagine each plane as a book, and each day that passes a page turns. Essentially, while every other book continued to turn, Zhalfir stopped. If the metaphysical "reader" were to go back to the Zhalfir "book" they would continue reading that page as it was when they put it down. Any planeswalker who managed to get there wouldnt find it frozen, they would merely be interacting with it the day it was taken out of time. They complicated this idea by stating that SOME time passed anyway, just a little in comparison to the rest of the multiverse. It shouldn't have, so the best explanation I can give about that is: that limited time happened as it traveled out of the time stream, but idk, it's magic.
I hope we get small hints here and there: like whenever we visit a plane that's been invaded, a single flavor text mentions a hint to the oil, or a single art reminds us a bit too much of a certain symbol, or something like that. Subtle, very subtle, and very long term.
I think the fate of Phyrexia is a callback to the temporal disaster of Tolarian academy. So I guess you are on the right track, phyrexians are evolving in their plane lost in time like the phyrexians from back then (they actually were in accelerated time bubble, though). Either themselves or someone from the exterior will make them free. But in the meantime, it's time for other baddies to rise up.
I definitely see us getting a repeated cycle of events like those. Including an overly curious artificer finding a way to contact an unknown mechanical plane.
There IS also a phyrexian-ized Jace and Vraska around. That + the theory presented, reviving realmbreaker and using it to restart the invasion, I think it's fairly plausible. But as typical with WOTC, phyrexians are being swept up to be used as a BBEG for another distant arc.
Most fan theories I have seen make for reasonably good stories. Therefore, they are all unlikely to happen. I suspect that Jace is a no-show because he'll end up being the jailer of Phyrexia much like the Lich King was to the Scourge in WOW lore.
Sad that we’ve reached the point where we think “dang, that would be a story I’d like to see. That means it’ll never happen.” Or if it officially does, they’ll somehow fumble it, get rushed even though they had years to work on it, and ultimately not make sense.
@@orangegalen sadly how it is when you have a thousand writers trying to make a cohesive story. Like these sets were cool but the story is pretty mediocre and the resolution was as lazy as war of the spark. Needed more sets in-between and less of a lazy deus ex machina.
I had sometimes that wierd thought that New Phyrexia by some timedistortion shinanigans would end up being old Phyrexia, which is... still somewhat farfetched but with being temporally out of bounds at the moments... certainly a step closer....
a few more things to note; the spheres were compressed as part of the swap, and everything was caving in on itself as the swap took place. I have to imagine as the lakes of molten slag and necrogen caved in upon the seedcore that that had to have wrought a ton of destruction where the rubble might have failed to kill some. that being said, there are more tools than one might think. somewhere amongst the crumbling rubble of the surgical bays, The Reality Chip still exists, infused with the oil. should this living device have survived the wreckage, it has proven that it can edit the laws of the multiverse and tinker with the spark in a way that up to that point had confounded the phyrexians. such a tool alone eliminates the deed for realmbreaker or wrenn.
And Jace, who's still compleated and went off to Kruphix knows where. Jace + Planar Bridge + Chip + Ex-Realmbreaker + the absense of those praetors to get in the way = OP Phyrexia again.
I remeber that in the Tefferi side-story it was stated that only 10 years had passed in Zhalfir, and if we look how long it took for Mirrodin to become New Phyrexia, we can assume it will be at least 1000 years for the rest of the multiverse for Phyrexia to start making any moves to restore Realmbreaker.
To be honest I love phyrexia, I run decks that are only phyrexian and putting color pie to game the only way they could've ever worked as one is if they threw away their own self interests and saw past themselves and used their mana and knowledge to work together as a true unity. I agree with someone in these comments who simply stated "a colorless praetor" if they had that, a truly compleat phyrexian to lead as no mother or father of machines but as deity of oil they would've won. If only they'd've kept karn the first time.
I've seen a lot of people upset about Wrenn doing the New Phyrexia//Zalphir swap, but I think it mostly comes from the misunderstanding of thinking it was some out of nowhere new ability when it most likely was the logical expansion of realmbreaker's abilities when enhanced with the power of a planeswalker spark, Wrenn most likely used that immense power to open a portal between the two planes large enough to encompass the entirety or at least enough of New Phyrexia to completely swap the landmasses of the two planes without literally moving the planes through the multiverse(which is my the 5 suns of mirrodin stayed, they weren't actually physically connected to New Phyrexia. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
What about the compleated Planeswalkers that are still out there? Jace, Vraska, and Nahiri are currently MIA. I’m thinking there are two possibilities: 1. when Phyrexia was sealed away, they shut down and are comatose somewhere in the multiverse, OR 2. They are still active and, instead of trying to compleat different planes, are working on finding a way to bring New Phyrexia back.
Personally, I think the ending was a cop out that allows WOTC to deal with the New Phyrexian threat for the sake of the story without actually getting rid of it. So that they can bring it back in the future since the plane is so popular.
What if the currently phased out New Phyrexia end up creating/evolving into the Eldrazi, and the Eldrazi titans we saw were actually “fingers” of New Phyrexia leaking out across time?
Here's my crackpot theory: Years down the line, we have a new threat, some new big bad that threatens all. The heroes of this time are almost beaten, and then in horror, they see the lands stir. Long buried war machines whir to life, mechanical terrors claw out of the storage from universities, or curio shops. The fear of New Phyrexia is a story that many are told, and as these new heroes struggle with the current threat, and the reactivation of Phyrexians across the multiverse, they are shocked as old nightmares, rush forward, towards a common foe, and those that see this confusing sight all hear the same message repeating among the horde 'All Will Be Free'
I was under the impression that the acorn that Teferi planted on Zhalfir was Wrenn. So would their be two Wrenns, her old body on New Phyrexia and her new one on Zhalfir?
Since the 5 suns of Mirrodin are now on Zhalfir, it'd be interesting to see how things would go from there. Perhaps the 5 praetors were imperfect due to the influence of the suns giving them each an aspect that makes them different than what the oil was originally intended for (maybe with the exception of Sheoldred, but I'm now wondering how old Phyrexia would have developed without Yawgmoth). In this new new phyrexia, there's neither a black mana aligned god nor the 5 suns that would influence them.
Since Elesh Norn tied all the phyrexian to her outside some factions and praetors. Urabrask being how he is and just wants to be left alone probably will be fixing stuff and minding his own business. Plus with how Slobad or whatever the goblins name was acted, the red phyrexians seems to be more along the line of "offer compleation" instead of forcing it like everyone else.
Not only in Innistrad are zombies resisting compleation, in Amonketh the battle card implies that a Phyrexian covered in lazotep will get disconnected from Elesh Norn's control
We might not see new phyrexians as we know it they could evolve into new species the old praetors included if they're brought back and maybe just maybe they'll evolve mentally. Not becoming Products of what mana theyre aligned with but more using it as a base line like for example urabrask yearned for creativity and individualism that would be his seed for his new personality like he'd still want to be creative and independent but it''d be aspects not his core personality.
So..... wizards made a big mistake. zhalfir was not the size of a full plane. And it traded places with new phyrexia. A full sized plane with an atmosphere and everything protecting it from the blind eternity. Zhalfir should just fall apart since it's landmass is not sufficient to hold itself together and produce atmosphere now that it's out of the phasing magic. Zhalfir was just one small part of Dominaria. They objectively should all just die now.
Just cause Realmbreaker could get in (reminder, it was guided there by Wrenn and only opened with Wrenn's help), doesn't mean it can get out. Teferi also got in and couldn't get back out without help. This is another meditation plane situation. I don't think Phyrexia will be back any time soon and by the time that they do, most of the places the oil spread will be free of it and/or the cure will finally be discovered. And last I recall, Realmbreaker died along with Wrenn. Unless I'm wrong, they have no world tree to even use.
Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I was really hoping for the original crew of the Weatherlight to show up and just wreck shop with the troops Urza had left over from the last invasion. They swoop in with a NOT completed version of the skyship, scoop Karn up and be like, "It's time to go home buddy. We've missed you." Take him back to the past and give him a second chance. There's plenty of "time magic" mcguffins that could of been used and retcon a few things. We got what we got though which is mostly better than nothing.
Considering that Innistrad undead were also essential for resisting the Eldrazi as well as this invasion, it would be interesting to see if as a result of this necromancy becomes socially acceptable and maybe even revered on Innistrad.
I think that Wrenn was specifically needed to access Zhalfir's time bubble. However I think they intended to use the fire within Wrenn to destroy her beyond Phyrexia's means to work with. Now that's not saying that Phyrexia won't be able to find some way out of the situation. I do wonder if individual phyrexians may regain their sense of self becoming active once again but free of Phyrexia. If so they still might try to reconnect to Phyrexia, augment people without the overlining unity, or establish new goals and threats. This may even be the fate of Jace.
One thing I personally can't understand... doesn't the oil flow through the veins of ALL phyrexians... even those outside of Phyrexia and no matter where, the oil is sentient, and since OG Phyrexia was destroyed, the oil survived inside Karn. HOW can the Phyrexians go into stasis when the oil itself is sentient in each individual when New Phyrexia is just phased out of existence, not destroyed? We saw that it didn't work that way between OG phyrexia and Argentum(Mirrodin). Or could it be that the oil is just in stasis in time as it's still connected to New Phyrexia as a whole and moves extremely slowly and it looks like it's dormant? I'm quite honestly confused.
@@juliahenriques210 I believe it. Kind of a scary thought considering he's the only one besides Ugin that knows Nicol Bolas is still alive & where he's at.
I saw a meme that I like to believe is what happened on New Phyrexia after it phased out. Basically Ixchel cobbles together the remains of Urabrask because he's the only Praetor still around (because Merciless Repurposing implies Norn left him alive to die from his wounds so he can suffer) and she doesn't know how to deal with the new leader of the Machine Orthodoxy: Skrelv
It's like that time in Doctor who Clara died however she had 1 heartbeat left it was just extended a long long beat with the way he ripped her out of the past. So the multiverse has 1 long heartbeat left if they don't do anything about the bodies of the left over Phyrexians, and remember the oil inside the inert Phyrexians can still probably infect and start a new chain of completion. But what about Karn? does he still have Xancha's heart? the sole reason New Phyrexia was able to rise to begin with was because he had a heartstone from old Phyrexia thanks Urza
There has been some new information that we couldn't have had into consideration if not for this war: Innistrad zombies aren't affected by the oil, ikoria's Beasts can evolve to nulify it, and Lazotep plating can completely undo phyrexian compleatation, but it makes You a zombie.
This is exactly what we saw initially at the tolarian Academy when Urza and Karn blew up the time machine. There were pockets of accelerated time and pockets of slowed time. A group of phyrexians got trapped in the fast time and advanced themselves beyond what Uzra predicted
I kinda believe that they made Zolfir experience almost a Groundhog Day situation. But there was no way to break from the loop until they were pulled out of the pocket instead of someone just figuring out hwat needed to change
the story was pretty good, untill the ending, everything was tied into a neat little package, this story really needed a bit more build up and more time in the actual conflict, them making MoM aftermath is a good decision, but there were so many interesting plot points that got overlooked due to the time constraint of telling the phyrexian story in 2 sets. (Urabrask did almost nothing except yeet Chandra and Wrenn to realmbreaker, Ajani and Nissa got cured way too easily, Nicol Bolas and Emrakul not showing up in some form is a huge missed opportunity ) It just feels very anticlimactic, as if we only got 60% of the story, the praetors went down way too easily and Elspeths Power up really needed more foreshadowing beyond Elesh Norns Nightmare with Ashiok, because as it currently stands, its barely not a deus ex machina. At least Phyrexia still exists in one form or another, i just hope the other Compleat planeswalkers wont get cured like Nissa and Ajani, letting them regain bits of their personality while still being warped by the oil, they could be some great villains
Honestly since it was stated Norn essentially controlled them telepathically(radiowaves whatever) Jace is the only one who makes plausible sense to keep sentience and control others infected with the oil like Norn
2 things: As far as we know, the phyrexians off-plane are essentially turned off, and with nobody to turn them back on, they'll likely rust and rot away simultaneously. Urabrask wasn't killed outright, vut hasn't been confirmed to not be shut down like the rest of the invading armies. They had the perfect opportunity with Mirrodin and still blew it. That plane worked for them as they are machines. The closest things to that we have are either Esper, or Kaladesh. Unless they start back over from square one, I think we can finally move on. I get the feeling that WOTC is trying to go out with the old and finally bring something new into the fold.
I think that Jin-Gitaxias altered the Oil to preserve souls in general, not just planeswalkers. It would be too hard to distinguish otherwise. To counter this, Elesh Norn altered the oil so all newly compleated creatures would follow her will. Now that she's gone, this leads to the possibility of a Phyrexia with souls and free will.
What happened to Jace? He disappeared and nobody knows what he did during the invasion. and when I saw the artwork of "Gift of compleation", maybe he saved Vraska and both are the new "preators" of New New Phyrexia?
It may sound improbable that Narn had control of the original Oil signal, but don't forget that they managed to modify the potency and properties of oil and necrogen to turn someone with just a touch, plus they completely rearranged the plane into layers, so making Norn control the base commands doesn't sound too farfetched
well in the story it is say that at least 2 years had passed after the phasing so maybe the ratio is 1 year in the bubble equal to 200 years in the main multiverse so yeah there is time also no all the phyrexian are inactive there are 2 that are still active and those are jace and vraska(if she is still alive) since the vraska story is say that jace saved theri memories in a place in their mind so since the corrupted part is now inactive the OG part can control the body the only thing is that jace will no have a spark so he is stuck in the plane that he was invading so it will be cool if he can contac chandra and the other trying of looking for a way to restore his body and maybe find vraska
They will be back. Phyrexia adopts tropes from where ever it coalesces into sentience. On Old Phyrexia, that was a civilisation built around the deification of Yawgmoth. On New Phyrexia it consumed a petridish of all colours of Mana and so was diverse, but with an echo of the old ways in their need to be unified (even Red and Green had an authority, however much they railed against it). Where next? It may be a decade until we find out, but Phyrexia will never truly be gone. They are the Daleks of MTG.
Considering Wrenn and Realmbreaker used Wrenn's connection to Teferi to find the lost plane, could just a reanimated corpse be able not follow that same Roma similar connection?
i dont think they could personally, sure eventually they would somehow bust out with the power of phyrexian shiznit or just meddling from another party, but do keep in mind that wren piloted realmbreaker BECAUSE of the fire contained within her, after she burned that fire to her limits and incinerated herself that power no longer having a container would simply leave as it's been trying to do throughout her whole story line.
So the three biggest threats Mtg has created since the original Time Spiral event were Eldrazi Titans, Nicol Bolas, and the Phyrexians. Is it a coincidence that NONE of these threats are dead, just "imprisoned?" As a meta answer, of course not. If you've got good characters, never kill them. You can always use them later. It's classic Comic Book logic. I will say this, we've probably seen the last of the Phyrexians as a major story for at least a decade....unless Wizards gets desperate. (the Borg as a protagonist concept is pretty fun)
I remember in time streams novel when kerrick and a group pf phyrexians were traped in the fast time bubble and they continued to develop negators there right?
Yeah, in that case, the Phyrexians were the ones moving at a faster Pace Inside the bubble, while in Dominaria, people were Just hands tied before the fact that soon the Phyrexians would break free and slay them even faster than they normally would. The interesting thing is that this time, It looks like the reverse is happening. Years are going to come and Go for the multiverse, but for Phyrexians exiled by Wrenn It Will be only weeks. They are the ones moving slowly now 😯
So... Wrenn and Realmbreaker can act as a bridge for planes walking, like Tessaret (no clue how to spell it) or the Rainbow bridge in Disney's Thor... But ... Every tree Wrenn inhabits, can't withstand her flames and the tree eventually has to die...
There is still the whole stuff of Urabrask's strains of Phyresis... I really doubt he would have used a Norn's custom-made oil (By the way, I HATED this twist, I understand it was the only way for the war to be lost from the Phyrexians but I hate it regardless) to spread and therefore that type of Phyrexians should be able to spread indipendently from the rest. In a very convenient way, Ayara on Eldrain become compleated by that strain with her whole court and others native... and they were casually sealed underground instead of be killed of. This mean there is a relativelly decent reserve of Phyrexian stuff and oil hidden under Eldrain's surface... maybe Eldraine is not as compatible as Mirrodin was, but the menace is not over.
We know Jace and Vraska are MIA, Urabrask could return if he’s rebuilt, but what happened to Glissa? I don’t remember her appearing in the stories we got, so could she become another Praetor? Or is she also inert on another plane somewhere?
I got the impression she was invading a plane from her card art, but I suppose there's a chance she's chilling on deepfreeze Phyrexia. She's no praetor though, there's no context or implication of that at all. That being said... enemy and ally coloured praetors would be bad ass.
@@ahealthkit2745 I’m asking if she could become/proclaim herself to be one if Phyrexia comes back. She was Vornclex’s second in command basically, so a shoe-in for a praetor. And I tried looking to see what happens, but didn’t find anything about her except her MoM card.
We had mono colored preators so next time we get shard ones. I thought wrenn was an acorn now ready to sprout into a baby dryad. I wish they explained why time magic didn't reverse the phyrexian invasion or fix completion. Why did the sparks need a spark to clean them, why did 1 crumble a little, why do they give out.
It seems to me that the planeswalkers must retain their soul to traverse the multiverse as a compleated walker. We've also seen that trees seem to have souls, and realmbreaker did too. I would assume in order for realmbreaker to pierce the multiverse, it must have its soul too. So it can't be just reanimated to work as normal.
so here me out, with the story stating "the worse is yet to come" and Nicol Bolas returning as a Phyrexian I feel that Nicol Bolas is that great threat that the story talked about and Nicol Bolas is gonna be able to travel through time and space and warp things to how HE desires thus bringing back some of the Phyrexians and corrupting some Slivers and Eldrazi's
The time bubble issue will become a reverse K'rrik issue. Instead of evolving and compleating the interior of time bubble at neck breaking speed for the ones outside of it, it would be at slow motion. On the survivial of New Phyrexia, it will have the similar issue that Old Phyrexia had when it was cut off the multiverse by the Thrawn, everyone would be recycled, reprocesed and refined endlessly. Difference is that with the access of the rest of the mana they kinda dodged the decending spiral that was the Old Phyrexia ecosystem. If we considert that the New Phyrexians compleated mostly every corner of Mirrodin in a couple of years and managed to pull this, short yet extremely destructive invasion, just imagining what they could do in a couple of unsupervised decades could be wild. Yawgmoth managed to keep everything rolling for around 4 thousand years with basically fumes, New Phyrexians could potencially reach even higher altitudes in a fraction of the time. On the Phyrexian hierarchy... that is a hard one to tell. Odds are that knowing my Phyrexians, they would start the pecking order on each sphere once again and maybe the Dominus would be the ones on top. If Urabrask is still alive and manages to becomes the one in charge... well i dont see him doing too much there because i dont doubt he would rather leave everyone do their business and basically every sphere would become its own city state and and again maybe the Dominus could become something of a figure head answering only to him. Ixhel also comes to mind and she could be also become the new voice of this less centraliced Phyrexia.
I wonder if mtg necromancy and the glistening oil affects the soul more than just the corpse, ence why oil can't bring back zombies and necromancer can't bring back compleated dead creatures.
But phyrexians can and regularly use necromancy. Just look at what they did to Venser. There’s also the fact that they can complete inanimate objects, like the Weatherlight. To me it’s more a case of the writing being inconsistent.
Honestly, I wouldn't want another story about the phyrexians. I'm so over it now. It's time to move on and create new bigger and badder villains and threats to the multiverse or bring back old villains from the past that we haven't seen or heard from in years like Geyadrone Dihada for an example.
I'd like a more personal story... Like a serial killer that preys on planeswalkers? Not an army, not a big bad dragon/cthuloid monster, but one dude that is hard to track down and just hunts PWs. I'm think that would be more intriguing. Maybe a take on Gorr from marvel? Gorr the Planeswalker butcher? Lol
I hope this isn't the end of the Phyrexian story because so far March of the Machine just feels like a very dismissive story of them. We've had this build-up between New Capenna, Kaldheim, Kamigawa and Dominaria with the Praetors travelling to different planes, turning inhabitants into Phyrexians and even compleating Planeswalkers! Now it's just "Oh, now they're all dead." within a few minutes of each other. At least with Bolas and Emrakul they feel like they COULD return at any moment too!
I just realized this is a reverse of what happens to emi on innastrad instead of the threat dippin out and getting sealed cause the planet isn’t done marinating, phyrexia is being seal and starts marinating
They’d need to give it a lot of time to heal after bottling the ending so badly. If it can even be salvaged. I suppose the one good thing of killing the Praetors (most in a bad way) is, for better or worse, they are gone now? And not going to be pulled out of a moon or saved from Police Ugin
I just wish they’d actually stop one of these multiplanar threats for good rather than sticking them on the shelf. Emrakuel is in a moon, Bolas in the meditation realm, and now the Phyrexians in a pocket dimension.
I believed they mentioned the oil is now useless, having reverted back to its original form before Yawgmoth even found it and corrupted it. It's now no more than oil now, Phyrexia and Yawgmoth madness might finally be over
I dont think its that phyrexia has unlimited time. When teferi went back to zhalfir wasnt it mentioned that while thousands of years passed very little time passed in zhalfir?
Seing how the time worked for Zalphir, a thousand year would have passed for the whole multiverse before a full year would have passed for phyrexia. Before they could launch a new invasion, Ixalan or Innistrad will have mechas like Kamigawa ^^ But where was Jace Beleren and did Tilbalt really died ? For what we know, Jace could have tried to complete Bolas and maybe Tibalt body may have been recycled to create a fully phyrexian planeswalker. Seing how the black Thanes of contract was used to create a new creature maybe Tilbalt's body could have been used in some way.
Also, one double sided card revealed seems to hint that some Izzet experimented with the oil and managed to bring a phyrexian back to life/create a new phyrexian. Maybe a few mad scientist will manage to create something strange, probably not on the scale of phyrexian but hey why not using the oil to give life to warmachine just like the ones during the brother's war ?
It is important to note that there are still powerful Phyrexians on New Phyrexia. Phyrexians that took no part in the conflict. Vishgraz for example, made from parts of Geth.
I don't think Jin removed it - He gave Tezzeret a new body one that wouldn't decay with the use of the planar bridge. Jin's plan was to compleat Tezzert using the reality chip.
@@Ariaoff.Limits the planar bridge is in tezzeret’s old body it wouldn’t decay given that tezzeret was practically machine only human part of him was his head which jin removed and put on a new Darksteel body.
While New Phyrexia is now stuck somewhere, people might forget two important details, one, only Tefferi could access it and only that was done due to Wrenn using Realmbreaker to nearly break reality, making it very difficult to find the plane. Secondly, most likely the remaining Phyrexians on New Phyrexia either shut down or went insane and slaughtered each other, and if someone did find the plane it would probably be like Old Phyrexia, broken and dead, filled with death and decay but unable to cause anymore harm. The only way for Phyrexia to come back to me is not rediscovering Phyrexians or being infected by the glistening oil but someone like Rona, an individual similar in scope and madness to that of Yawgmoth. Them being inspired or intrigued by the concept of phyrexia and now might seek to replicate it. Now with the invasion but there remains across the universe, upon worlds with the greatest minds, I think some psychopath will try to do another Phyrexia because madness never dies.
Based on the story phyrexians became inactive once Norn died so why would that not affect the phyrexians phased out in New phyrexia? By that logic they should stay inactive/in coma as well if Norn managed somehow to modify the oil. I also don't believe that they would bring phyrexians back at least for many many years. They really wanted all the big baddies of the multiverse to be defeated so i doubt they'd just bring any of them back any time soon.
I have a theory for how they might continue magic's theory. they mentioned planes that realmbreaker could not reach and one specific dangerous creature type that has unknown origins to a degree. What if the eldrazi are not fully gone and when we left ulamog and kozilek on zendikar they left not liking burning and they returned to their own home plane unknown to anyone and the eldrazi return
I wonder if they cann use this as an excuse to bring Old Phyrexia back into the picture. Some to do with Realmbreak pulling every realm closer yanking that back too.
I have been wondering about this very thing. All it takes for Phyrexia to spread is the presence of the glistening oil, which is now scattered throughout the multiverse. Which would seem to mean there could end up being multiple new Phyrexias. But we also learned that on Irokia creatures there evolved to be immune to the oil, and the crystals on their bodies can absorb the oil, removing the threat. So all the heroes need to do it take some crystals from Ikorian beasts to every effected plane and play clean up of the oil. But then there is the New Phyrexia in the pocket of space time.
There is also a card, i forgot its name, whose flavour text states that wish Elesh Norns Death and the sealing of New Phyrexia, te oil became inactive and less potent.
@@nategraham6946 It did react to Yawgmoth's death with some lethargy, though, and he was the one meant to lead everything. With a lesser commander like Norn, maybe the oil just goes dormant. How much time will it take for someone in some plane to manage to reactivate it, though? Their solution buys them time, but it doesn't solve the ultimate problem, even if New Phyrexia remains in exile forever.
@@juliahenriques210 I would think it would go back to the same lethargic state as after Yawgmoth. Until a new leader can take control of it. But even in that lethargic state it is a huge threat, possibly more so.
My theory is: Forgottens myrs and Levelers beggin the once a century purge of life programmed by Memnarch in the old times. Phyrexians without the suns mana and cleansed of fleshy bits became a New Kind of phyrexian, all artefacts, and live as New Mirrodin's population. Wizards take 10 or more years to revisit the history and use them a cannon fodder to the 4th Eldrazzi Boogaloo. 😔
I really want to see Wrenn return as a Phyrexian and with a compleated army then start invading other planes. But for sure, it will be quite a while before they get the spotlight again.
You know the reason why the glistening oil stoped working doesn’t make sense right?! When the oil started infecting Mirridon after Karn infected the plane there was no other plane to influence the oil…sigh
I'm still not entirely sure how the swap happened. The tree branches root so deeply they can move planes around? The phyrexians could have used it to make planes collide, creating new Confluxes and such?
On Kaldheim, the realms moved across the branches of the world tree and occasionally collided resulting in doomskars. From the sounds of things Wren caused a pretty big doomskar (or whatever Realmbreaker's equivalent of one would be called) in the process of directing the paths of the 2 planes to more permanent positions.
I hope that with time the whole plane gains conciousness, and using Realmbreaker's branches as tentacles launches itself again into the multiverse as a plane-consuming plane.
Well, this is a massive problem. Glistening oil should still work even if Elesh norn doesn't exist, so Ajani and Nissa should still be fighting for Phyrexia instead of going into a coma that allows them to be cured.
There's some implication that Norn altered the oil to depend on her orders/something on New Phyrexia distributing her orders because she conflated herself with Phyrexia as a whole (and thus would be too important to ever let fall). On one hand, it's plausible since we know Gitaxias already altered the oil once to facilitate the compleation of Planeswalkers without all the hands on surgery. On the other hand, we've got no idea who would've done it (Gitaxias abandoned her during the climax so he clearly wasn't aware that she was needed to keep their forces going, Norn has had to depend on Jin to alter the oil so she's unlikely to be able to do it, and clearly none of the other Phyrexians realized how Norn had made herself so integral to their invasion effort).
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After listening to whole story, I am convinced the writers either don't care or actively hates mtg lore, they did not do research into mtg lore before writing this.
Its like this they had endless time. For example they could training learn live, but dont age.
The new OIL that can complete planeswalker its different than the original oil of yawgmoth.
I think we will see then breaking somewhere in the middle of another story. Maybe elsewhere in time.
Inistrad... the oter plane where the monster evolved to counter the oil.
The next enemy its Lady Emrakul
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Typical superior hive mind oversight
That made me chuckle well done
Underrated
+1
One theory I’ve seen is that Urabrask is still alive. Looking at the cards, the flavor text of Merciless Repurposing has Urabrask’s limbs chopped off, Elesh Norn didn’t kill him in order prolong his pain; “let the traitor be”.
It’d be cool if he did survive. All of the other praetors died because of their own evil ideologies, so it’d make sense thematically for his to still be alive.
“Now that we’re done with the fascist takeover, it’s time for arts and crafts!”
The other praetors because... Reasons
@@mrknarf4438 died so anti-climatically, i am still angry
I'd kinda like to see Slobad work his way up the corporate ladder for superior crafts :)
It'd also make some sense that because he didn’t submit to Elesh Norn his faction wasn't crippled by Norns death. (Although, it was odd how many Furnace Dwellers are in MoM cards on the side of Phyrexia, so...)
It would be neat to have the Phyrexians go from a “Gotta compleat ‘em all” mentality, which we’ve already seen in Urza Block, Invasion Block and the current story arc, to a “Join Urabrask’s Awesome Club for Attractive People and get free sick knife arms” mission statement. It’d be fresh and different.
Man, all the big villains died so fast. I was really interested to see Atraxa and Ixhel fight with themselves on what it means to be themselves vs The One.
Which also brings up an interesting point on that ‘theory’ that all the Phyrexians are rendered inert. There were clearly some that had their own motives, and were able to interpret their ‘orders’ in creative ways. Wouldn’t having none now release those particular phyrexians?
You also didn't take into consideration that Jace and Vraska are missing. Jace seemed to have somehow kept his mind and later restored Vraska's. It's not a stretch to think that between the two they might have been able to find a way to keep themselves active after the signal was lost. This means we have 2 Phyrexian planeswalkers out there right now. While both have their minds and wouldn't want to spread the oil and risk a third Phyrexia, as we saw with Karn; ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. Also, the Jace's mental immunity might not be permanent. The oil might eventually corrode them to the point that they DO want a third Phyrexia with them as the new Mother and Father of Machines. Until it's revealed what happened to the pair, I think THEY are the biggest chance at Phyrexia 3.
Jace, Vraska, and all their little kids.
The Father and Mother of Machines. Now there's a chilling thought.
But didn't vraska get disentergrated in her invasion on vraska
@@travisthomas5434 the last thing noted was that they couldn't find her body, so she may still be out there
@@travisthomas5434 Nope. She was fatally injured and Ral ran off to stop other Phyrexians while she slowly died where she fell. But Jace came in and apparently healed her cause she wasn't dieing anymore. Also at the end of the chapter Ral is told specifically that "We couldn't find her body." Meaning that either Jace healed her just enough so that she wouldn't die and then carried her away or he healed her enough that she could leave with him under her own power. We still don't know which yet, just that she's alive and with Jace.
What you mean? We still have the Great Urabrask. I believe Urabrask is still alive. My examples include:
1. In the card, Merciless Repurposing, the flavor text reads that "after" they stripped away Urabrask's limbs, Urabrask "heard" elesh norn say "let the traitor be". (This to me reads like, even after Urabrask got his limbs stripped away, he was still alive, because he "heard").
2. In the story his parts were sent off. We don't know where they took Urabrask. I believe that Ixhel will be able to find Urabrask (still alive, but kinda still missing some parts) and she will be able to rebuild him.
3. Phyrexians are masters at raising what was once thought dead brought back. Examples: Vensor and Slobad.
4. How I know Urabrask will be alive still? Easy, New Phyrexia is trapped where time is "slowed". Phyrexians are masters at repurposing parts to make more Phyrexians. Ixhel showed us that when she made Vishgraz out of Geth. With a lot of time on their hands, Ixhel can still save Urabrask.
Sincerely, From a Red and Black Phyrexian, Disciple of Urabrask.
P.S: Plus I know that my first reason is kinda mute, because wizards kinda lies to us when they say that both the story and the cards line up. Big example is Sheoldred. How is she fused with Drivnod and has her head back? (Probs maybe elesh norn brainwashed?)
I think the part about the story and the cards contradicting each other can be seen with Merciless repurposing.
This is because Urabrask is chopped up in the story, or at least it is unclear, but it is heavily implied he is the one being chopped up and not his limbs.
In fact, Norn never states that they shall leave him be and Elspeth instead remarks that what remains of him is a hot pile of screaming sinew.
The merciless repurposing flavour text could be a callback to Urabrask's original card.
This seems to be a trope now in MTG when it comes to the larger evil forces: Putting the baddies into stasis. Emrakul in the Silver Moon, Bolas inside Ugin (I forget the details), and now New Phyrexia outside of the timeline.
I mean technically youre not wrong, Ugin is the Plane and Bolas its only inhabitant
Until Jace's body is found technically no one knows about Emmy now too
Put them back in the fridge for later
"Break out in case hasbro stock goes down"
I wonder who`s up next to be send into stasis
Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?
Another nugget they forgot: the planar bridge is still on New Phyrexia
Also if they only evolved independently of Yawgmoth, it can evolve independently of Norn and all those planes are dripping in oil. Even without New Phyrexia that oil can eventually evolve to be active and corrupt any of those planes on their own and it only takes one to be lucky enough to make another Phyrexia. Elspeth was a dummy and prioritized the lives of the people and places she knew over the multiverse at large and now the infection will probably spread more death than the Sylex ever could, Jace was right.
No, The Planar Bridge is build in Tezzeret's body, which he left to his home plane
@@PokeKid1ge1co1 Tezzeret got a new body without the bridge in it. His old body is still on New Phyrexia
You're right, but also they don't care. They'll bring up your point if they want to revisit the storyline, otherwise it is on to the next multiverse-ending event.
Elspeth also evolved into a multiversal security system whose mere presence weakens Phyrexians, so I wouldn't say that was the bad move. Especially when Phyrexia proved that they were barely a threat anyway.
Blowing up hundreds of unknown planes to stop bad guys who fold to ORDINARY RHINOS would've been overkill. MOM showed Phyrexians basically getting stomped on nearly every single plane, even without Planeswalkers to help.
They made a lore snipped that says the oil became inert after they phased New Phyrexia out. Its on the card something Inert
Urabrask got so screwed.. he didn't even get to have a cool showdown
They did Urabrask dirty.
They did all 5 dirty
As far as the cards go though, he didn't die. Elesh norn told them to leave him as he was before he was extinguished.
Meaning that she wanted him to see the end of all others, to prove that she was right.
There was also a line I remember reading where Karn was lamenting what became of Mirrodin something along the lines of how many other planes could he have unknowingly tracked oil to. So perhaps a different strain of Phyrexians, much like how the Praetors functioned totally different from Yawgmoth’s Phyrexia…
Pretty sure he traveled to those other planes to see if he did leave oil there after the Scars set, that’s the reason he didn’t stick around to fight New Phyrexia
I have two very separate theories as far as a new "strain" is considered, the first sort of lies with the "identity" of the "ruler of phyrexia", for the first generation of Phyrexians it was very much Black led. Yes, at that point Black wasn't as well thought out about it's more selfish amorality, rather than just evil like back then, but even then you can still see the twinges of modern black. While even if we have the other Preators, the second generation was very much led by Elesh Norn, and thus was more white led. What I could see using that line of thought, it either being Blue through Jin Gitaxias and maybe some back up plan of his, and the phyrexians on other planes, which could also make his death seem less cheap. Another possibility is Red through Urabrask, and this way it wouldn't be objectively evil like phyrexia has been in the past, but just as twisted. Or, simular to what someone else said in a different comment, Green led through Vraska helped by Jace, due to them being compleated still but very much missing. All three of those options for that first theory could work, and just rotate around with what color is in the lead.
The second theory is probably more piggy backing off of what Aetherhub made me think of, the next generation of Phyrexia could be colorless artifact creatures, as we did get one color at first, then all five, and the next step could be none of them. With this second theory, to diversify the cards somewhat, there could be active abilities which require different colors to use, maybe as a nod to the previous generation of phyrexians there could even be leaders of sorts which act as the "brain", but maybe as they would be more "one" it would just be different "organs" or "functions".
My theory on Elesh Norn and the oil is that her control was a product of the new 'oil 2.0' that can compleat planeswalkers.
It's important to note that 'oil 1.0' caused a victim's soul to leave the body during compleation, which is why planeswalkers were immune. Their spark was in their soul and too powerful for the oil to displace. 'Oil 2.0' compleates victims without displacing the soul, arguably skipping the last step of the process. My guess is that 'oil 2.0' required an additional control mechanism to keep the soul in check, and that's what Norn used.
I think it's a miss: new phyrexia is in a similar situation that k'rrik was but inverted, instead of having more time in comparison to the outside, they have less...so actually is a disavantage, for every effort they do towards reconstruction a lot more time had passed outside. The thing with zhalfir is that they worked 10 local years preparing for invasion, but know that the worlds know about phyrexia it's plausible that they will make contingency plans. So it's ironic that new phyrexia can be rendered obsolete in this situation; the way I see they coming is with all the oil and carcasses in the myriad of worlds...remembering that just a few drops of oil started the mirrodin situation (I personally think that the whole "disconnection" thing was rushed and asspulled, very lore inconsistent)...or they prove themselves reaching the time gap with sheer force (wich I doubt since they didn't overwhelm the planes, they striked by surprise and numbers and still got matched in various places).
Zhalfir was taken out of time, which means they weren't slowed, stopped, or given infinite time. Imagine each plane as a book, and each day that passes a page turns. Essentially, while every other book continued to turn, Zhalfir stopped. If the metaphysical "reader" were to go back to the Zhalfir "book" they would continue reading that page as it was when they put it down. Any planeswalker who managed to get there wouldnt find it frozen, they would merely be interacting with it the day it was taken out of time. They complicated this idea by stating that SOME time passed anyway, just a little in comparison to the rest of the multiverse. It shouldn't have, so the best explanation I can give about that is: that limited time happened as it traveled out of the time stream, but idk, it's magic.
I hope we get small hints here and there: like whenever we visit a plane that's been invaded, a single flavor text mentions a hint to the oil, or a single art reminds us a bit too much of a certain symbol, or something like that. Subtle, very subtle, and very long term.
I'm hoping for at least 1-2 Phyrexian-referencing cards in each of the sets impacted by the invasion. It's waaaay too recent an event to be subtle.
I think the fate of Phyrexia is a callback to the temporal disaster of Tolarian academy. So I guess you are on the right track, phyrexians are evolving in their plane lost in time like the phyrexians from back then (they actually were in accelerated time bubble, though). Either themselves or someone from the exterior will make them free. But in the meantime, it's time for other baddies to rise up.
I definitely see us getting a repeated cycle of events like those. Including an overly curious artificer finding a way to contact an unknown mechanical plane.
There IS also a phyrexian-ized Jace and Vraska around. That + the theory presented, reviving realmbreaker and using it to restart the invasion, I think it's fairly plausible. But as typical with WOTC, phyrexians are being swept up to be used as a BBEG for another distant arc.
Most fan theories I have seen make for reasonably good stories. Therefore, they are all unlikely to happen.
I suspect that Jace is a no-show because he'll end up being the jailer of Phyrexia much like the Lich King was to the Scourge in WOW lore.
Sad that we’ve reached the point where we think “dang, that would be a story I’d like to see. That means it’ll never happen.” Or if it officially does, they’ll somehow fumble it, get rushed even though they had years to work on it, and ultimately not make sense.
@@orangegalen sadly how it is when you have a thousand writers trying to make a cohesive story.
Like these sets were cool but the story is pretty mediocre and the resolution was as lazy as war of the spark.
Needed more sets in-between and less of a lazy deus ex machina.
I had sometimes that wierd thought that New Phyrexia by some timedistortion shinanigans would end up being old Phyrexia, which is... still somewhat farfetched but with being temporally out of bounds at the moments... certainly a step closer....
a few more things to note;
the spheres were compressed as part of the swap, and everything was caving in on itself as the swap took place. I have to imagine as the lakes of molten slag and necrogen caved in upon the seedcore that that had to have wrought a ton of destruction where the rubble might have failed to kill some.
that being said, there are more tools than one might think.
somewhere amongst the crumbling rubble of the surgical bays, The Reality Chip still exists, infused with the oil. should this living device have survived the wreckage, it has proven that it can edit the laws of the multiverse and tinker with the spark in a way that up to that point had confounded the phyrexians. such a tool alone eliminates the deed for realmbreaker or wrenn.
And Jace, who's still compleated and went off to Kruphix knows where. Jace + Planar Bridge + Chip + Ex-Realmbreaker + the absense of those praetors to get in the way = OP Phyrexia again.
I remeber that in the Tefferi side-story it was stated that only 10 years had passed in Zhalfir, and if we look how long it took for Mirrodin to become New Phyrexia, we can assume it will be at least 1000 years for the rest of the multiverse for Phyrexia to start making any moves to restore Realmbreaker.
Yes, what was centuries for the rest of the multiverse was a mere decade for Zhalfir.
To be honest I love phyrexia, I run decks that are only phyrexian and putting color pie to game the only way they could've ever worked as one is if they threw away their own self interests and saw past themselves and used their mana and knowledge to work together as a true unity. I agree with someone in these comments who simply stated "a colorless praetor" if they had that, a truly compleat phyrexian to lead as no mother or father of machines but as deity of oil they would've won. If only they'd've kept karn the first time.
Phyrexia forever brother
Phyrexians are the good guys, change my mind
@@qaztim11 can’t, they end more wars and cure more diseases than the gods on planes. Bless the oil
describes resistance to phyrexian oil as a problem. Aether Hub's a sleeper agent!!
I've seen a lot of people upset about Wrenn doing the New Phyrexia//Zalphir swap, but I think it mostly comes from the misunderstanding of thinking it was some out of nowhere new ability when it most likely was the logical expansion of realmbreaker's abilities when enhanced with the power of a planeswalker spark, Wrenn most likely used that immense power to open a portal between the two planes large enough to encompass the entirety or at least enough of New Phyrexia to completely swap the landmasses of the two planes without literally moving the planes through the multiverse(which is my the 5 suns of mirrodin stayed, they weren't actually physically connected to New Phyrexia. At least, that's how I interpreted it.
… so her new tree had an ability… that means she has a new ability or access to a new, broken ability. Congratulations, you played yourself.
What about the compleated Planeswalkers that are still out there? Jace, Vraska, and Nahiri are currently MIA. I’m thinking there are two possibilities:
1. when Phyrexia was sealed away, they shut down and are comatose somewhere in the multiverse, OR
2. They are still active and, instead of trying to compleat different planes, are working on finding a way to bring New Phyrexia back.
Varaska died
the revealed art for Aftermath boxes shows a cured Nahiri. it makes no sense at all but she's somehow totally fine.
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Her body disapear so maybe she is dead maybe the planswalk and is already not MIA anymore.
@DarthRevan on the MTG wiki page, both Jace and Vraska are considered compleated and not deceased.
@@petinonclement7872 Or Jayce did something to it either way the story made it sound like she is flat out dead even if the body is gone
Personally, I think the ending was a cop out that allows WOTC to deal with the New Phyrexian threat for the sake of the story without actually getting rid of it. So that they can bring it back in the future since the plane is so popular.
What if the currently phased out New Phyrexia end up creating/evolving into the Eldrazi, and the Eldrazi titans we saw were actually “fingers” of New Phyrexia leaking out across time?
i have a question; Why does everything have to be about the goddamn eldrazi with y'all tinfoil-hatters?
thats gas
Phyrexians also have access to The Planar Bridge and the Mirari, which the heroes forgot to take stock of.
Here's my crackpot theory:
Years down the line, we have a new threat, some new big bad that threatens all. The heroes of this time are almost beaten, and then in horror, they see the lands stir. Long buried war machines whir to life, mechanical terrors claw out of the storage from universities, or curio shops. The fear of New Phyrexia is a story that many are told, and as these new heroes struggle with the current threat, and the reactivation of Phyrexians across the multiverse, they are shocked as old nightmares, rush forward, towards a common foe, and those that see this confusing sight all hear the same message repeating among the horde 'All Will Be Free'
"You are being freed. Please do not resist."
I was under the impression that the acorn that Teferi planted on Zhalfir was Wrenn. So would their be two Wrenns, her old body on New Phyrexia and her new one on Zhalfir?
She'd just be Wrenn 2. The original wouldn't mind.
Wrenn died, along with Realmbreaker.
Since the 5 suns of Mirrodin are now on Zhalfir, it'd be interesting to see how things would go from there. Perhaps the 5 praetors were imperfect due to the influence of the suns giving them each an aspect that makes them different than what the oil was originally intended for (maybe with the exception of Sheoldred, but I'm now wondering how old Phyrexia would have developed without Yawgmoth). In this new new phyrexia, there's neither a black mana aligned god nor the 5 suns that would influence them.
Colorless Phyrexians ? That slot is already taken by the Eldrazis though I guess.
@@iomar90 what color are artifacts typically?
@@iomar90 Another colorless enemy would be pretty sick, though... I'm sure we wouldn't get just that though.
You have to remember, the Oil WASN'T alive originally, Yawgmoth is the one who originally made it "alive", by filling it with his will.
Since Elesh Norn tied all the phyrexian to her outside some factions and praetors. Urabrask being how he is and just wants to be left alone probably will be fixing stuff and minding his own business. Plus with how Slobad or whatever the goblins name was acted, the red phyrexians seems to be more along the line of "offer compleation" instead of forcing it like everyone else.
Not only in Innistrad are zombies resisting compleation, in Amonketh the battle card implies that a Phyrexian covered in lazotep will get disconnected from Elesh Norn's control
We might not see new phyrexians as we know it they could evolve into new species the old praetors included if they're brought back and maybe just maybe they'll evolve mentally. Not becoming Products of what mana theyre aligned with but more using it as a base line like for example urabrask yearned for creativity and individualism that would be his seed for his new personality like he'd still want to be creative and independent but it''d be aspects not his core personality.
"As long as a single drop of the oil exists, the joyous work continues."
It’s worth mentioning that the Dominus are still chilling on new phyrexia. I imagine they will play a larger role whenever we still them again!
Ten years from now we get a new set called "PHYREXIA REFORGED"
So..... wizards made a big mistake. zhalfir was not the size of a full plane. And it traded places with new phyrexia. A full sized plane with an atmosphere and everything protecting it from the blind eternity. Zhalfir should just fall apart since it's landmass is not sufficient to hold itself together and produce atmosphere now that it's out of the phasing magic.
Zhalfir was just one small part of Dominaria. They objectively should all just die now.
Just cause Realmbreaker could get in (reminder, it was guided there by Wrenn and only opened with Wrenn's help), doesn't mean it can get out. Teferi also got in and couldn't get back out without help. This is another meditation plane situation. I don't think Phyrexia will be back any time soon and by the time that they do, most of the places the oil spread will be free of it and/or the cure will finally be discovered. And last I recall, Realmbreaker died along with Wrenn. Unless I'm wrong, they have no world tree to even use.
Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I was really hoping for the original crew of the Weatherlight to show up and just wreck shop with the troops Urza had left over from the last invasion. They swoop in with a NOT completed version of the skyship, scoop Karn up and be like, "It's time to go home buddy. We've missed you." Take him back to the past and give him a second chance.
There's plenty of "time magic" mcguffins that could of been used and retcon a few things.
We got what we got though which is mostly better than nothing.
Time magic retcons never go down well. What we got was bad, but retconning would have been worse.
Considering that Innistrad undead were also essential for resisting the Eldrazi as well as this invasion, it would be interesting to see if as a result of this necromancy becomes socially acceptable and maybe even revered on Innistrad.
I think that Wrenn was specifically needed to access Zhalfir's time bubble. However I think they intended to use the fire within Wrenn to destroy her beyond Phyrexia's means to work with. Now that's not saying that Phyrexia won't be able to find some way out of the situation.
I do wonder if individual phyrexians may regain their sense of self becoming active once again but free of Phyrexia. If so they still might try to reconnect to Phyrexia, augment people without the overlining unity, or establish new goals and threats. This may even be the fate of Jace.
One thing I personally can't understand... doesn't the oil flow through the veins of ALL phyrexians... even those outside of Phyrexia and no matter where, the oil is sentient, and since OG Phyrexia was destroyed, the oil survived inside Karn. HOW can the Phyrexians go into stasis when the oil itself is sentient in each individual when New Phyrexia is just phased out of existence, not destroyed? We saw that it didn't work that way between OG phyrexia and Argentum(Mirrodin).
Or could it be that the oil is just in stasis in time as it's still connected to New Phyrexia as a whole and moves extremely slowly and it looks like it's dormant?
I'm quite honestly confused.
What about Jace & Vraska? Did they die? Jace is mtg's poster boy, I don't see them permanently killing him off.
Write this down: he'll be the new Father of Machines.
@@juliahenriques210 I believe it. Kind of a scary thought considering he's the only one besides Ugin that knows Nicol Bolas is still alive & where he's at.
I saw a meme that I like to believe is what happened on New Phyrexia after it phased out. Basically Ixchel cobbles together the remains of Urabrask because he's the only Praetor still around (because Merciless Repurposing implies Norn left him alive to die from his wounds so he can suffer) and she doesn't know how to deal with the new leader of the Machine Orthodoxy: Skrelv
It's like that time in Doctor who Clara died however she had 1 heartbeat left it was just extended a long long beat with the way he ripped her out of the past. So the multiverse has 1 long heartbeat left if they don't do anything about the bodies of the left over Phyrexians, and remember the oil inside the inert Phyrexians can still probably infect and start a new chain of completion.
But what about Karn? does he still have Xancha's heart? the sole reason New Phyrexia was able to rise to begin with was because he had a heartstone from old Phyrexia thanks Urza
There has been some new information that we couldn't have had into consideration if not for this war: Innistrad zombies aren't affected by the oil, ikoria's Beasts can evolve to nulify it, and Lazotep plating can completely undo phyrexian compleatation, but it makes You a zombie.
This is exactly what we saw initially at the tolarian Academy when Urza and Karn blew up the time machine. There were pockets of accelerated time and pockets of slowed time. A group of phyrexians got trapped in the fast time and advanced themselves beyond what Uzra predicted
In regards to the oil having no effect on the Innistrad zombies, it seems the oil has to be incontact with living tissue to take effect.
I kinda believe that they made Zolfir experience almost a Groundhog Day situation. But there was no way to break from the loop until they were pulled out of the pocket instead of someone just figuring out hwat needed to change
the story was pretty good, untill the ending, everything was tied into a neat little package, this story really needed a bit more build up and more time in the actual conflict, them making MoM aftermath is a good decision, but there were so many interesting plot points that got overlooked due to the time constraint of telling the phyrexian story in 2 sets. (Urabrask did almost nothing except yeet Chandra and Wrenn to realmbreaker, Ajani and Nissa got cured way too easily, Nicol Bolas and Emrakul not showing up in some form is a huge missed opportunity )
It just feels very anticlimactic, as if we only got 60% of the story, the praetors went down way too easily and Elspeths Power up really needed more foreshadowing beyond Elesh Norns Nightmare with Ashiok, because as it currently stands, its barely not a deus ex machina.
At least Phyrexia still exists in one form or another, i just hope the other Compleat planeswalkers wont get cured like Nissa and Ajani, letting them regain bits of their personality while still being warped by the oil, they could be some great villains
Team villain Jace here. He'd be the best Father of Machines.
I wonder if Jace will be magically fine or if he's leading the Phyrexians
Honestly since it was stated Norn essentially controlled them telepathically(radiowaves whatever)
Jace is the only one who makes plausible sense to keep sentience and control others infected with the oil like Norn
All praise Jace, Father of the Machines
2 things:
As far as we know, the phyrexians off-plane are essentially turned off, and with nobody to turn them back on, they'll likely rust and rot away simultaneously. Urabrask wasn't killed outright, vut hasn't been confirmed to not be shut down like the rest of the invading armies.
They had the perfect opportunity with Mirrodin and still blew it. That plane worked for them as they are machines. The closest things to that we have are either Esper, or Kaladesh.
Unless they start back over from square one, I think we can finally move on. I get the feeling that WOTC is trying to go out with the old and finally bring something new into the fold.
I think that Jin-Gitaxias altered the Oil to preserve souls in general, not just planeswalkers. It would be too hard to distinguish otherwise. To counter this, Elesh Norn altered the oil so all newly compleated creatures would follow her will.
Now that she's gone, this leads to the possibility of a Phyrexia with souls and free will.
What happened to Jace? He disappeared and nobody knows what he did during the invasion. and when I saw the artwork of "Gift of compleation", maybe he saved Vraska and both are the new "preators" of New New Phyrexia?
It may sound improbable that Narn had control of the original Oil signal, but don't forget that they managed to modify the potency and properties of oil and necrogen to turn someone with just a touch, plus they completely rearranged the plane into layers, so making Norn control the base commands doesn't sound too farfetched
well in the story it is say that at least 2 years had passed after the phasing so maybe the ratio is 1 year in the bubble equal to 200 years in the main multiverse so yeah there is time also no all the phyrexian are inactive there are 2 that are still active and those are jace and vraska(if she is still alive) since the vraska story is say that jace saved theri memories in a place in their mind so since the corrupted part is now inactive the OG part can control the body the only thing is that jace will no have a spark so he is stuck in the plane that he was invading so it will be cool if he can contac chandra and the other trying of looking for a way to restore his body and maybe find vraska
They will be back. Phyrexia adopts tropes from where ever it coalesces into sentience. On Old Phyrexia, that was a civilisation built around the deification of Yawgmoth. On New Phyrexia it consumed a petridish of all colours of Mana and so was diverse, but with an echo of the old ways in their need to be unified (even Red and Green had an authority, however much they railed against it).
Where next? It may be a decade until we find out, but Phyrexia will never truly be gone. They are the Daleks of MTG.
Considering Wrenn and Realmbreaker used Wrenn's connection to Teferi to find the lost plane, could just a reanimated corpse be able not follow that same Roma similar connection?
i dont think they could personally, sure eventually they would somehow bust out with the power of phyrexian shiznit or just meddling from another party, but do keep in mind that wren piloted realmbreaker BECAUSE of the fire contained within her, after she burned that fire to her limits and incinerated herself that power no longer having a container would simply leave as it's been trying to do throughout her whole story line.
So the three biggest threats Mtg has created since the original Time Spiral event were Eldrazi Titans, Nicol Bolas, and the Phyrexians. Is it a coincidence that NONE of these threats are dead, just "imprisoned?" As a meta answer, of course not. If you've got good characters, never kill them. You can always use them later. It's classic Comic Book logic. I will say this, we've probably seen the last of the Phyrexians as a major story for at least a decade....unless Wizards gets desperate. (the Borg as a protagonist concept is pretty fun)
I remember in time streams novel when kerrick and a group pf phyrexians were traped in the fast time bubble and they continued to develop negators there right?
Yeah, in that case, the Phyrexians were the ones moving at a faster Pace Inside the bubble, while in Dominaria, people were Just hands tied before the fact that soon the Phyrexians would break free and slay them even faster than they normally would. The interesting thing is that this time, It looks like the reverse is happening. Years are going to come and Go for the multiverse, but for Phyrexians exiled by Wrenn It Will be only weeks. They are the ones moving slowly now 😯
So... Wrenn and Realmbreaker can act as a bridge for planes walking, like Tessaret (no clue how to spell it) or the Rainbow bridge in Disney's Thor... But ... Every tree Wrenn inhabits, can't withstand her flames and the tree eventually has to die...
There is still the whole stuff of Urabrask's strains of Phyresis... I really doubt he would have used a Norn's custom-made oil (By the way, I HATED this twist, I understand it was the only way for the war to be lost from the Phyrexians but I hate it regardless) to spread and therefore that type of Phyrexians should be able to spread indipendently from the rest.
In a very convenient way, Ayara on Eldrain become compleated by that strain with her whole court and others native... and they were casually sealed underground instead of be killed of. This mean there is a relativelly decent reserve of Phyrexian stuff and oil hidden under Eldrain's surface... maybe Eldraine is not as compatible as Mirrodin was, but the menace is not over.
We know Jace and Vraska are MIA, Urabrask could return if he’s rebuilt, but what happened to Glissa? I don’t remember her appearing in the stories we got, so could she become another Praetor? Or is she also inert on another plane somewhere?
I got the impression she was invading a plane from her card art, but I suppose there's a chance she's chilling on deepfreeze Phyrexia. She's no praetor though, there's no context or implication of that at all.
That being said... enemy and ally coloured praetors would be bad ass.
@@ahealthkit2745 I’m asking if she could become/proclaim herself to be one if Phyrexia comes back. She was Vornclex’s second in command basically, so a shoe-in for a praetor. And I tried looking to see what happens, but didn’t find anything about her except her MoM card.
We had mono colored preators so next time we get shard ones. I thought wrenn was an acorn now ready to sprout into a baby dryad. I wish they explained why time magic didn't reverse the phyrexian invasion or fix completion. Why did the sparks need a spark to clean them, why did 1 crumble a little, why do they give out.
It seems to me that the planeswalkers must retain their soul to traverse the multiverse as a compleated walker.
We've also seen that trees seem to have souls, and realmbreaker did too. I would assume in order for realmbreaker to pierce the multiverse, it must have its soul too. So it can't be just reanimated to work as normal.
The "Endless Time" of Zhalfir and New Phyrexia time bubble is like the "Endless Now"of Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
so here me out, with the story stating "the worse is yet to come" and Nicol Bolas returning as a Phyrexian I feel that Nicol Bolas is that great threat that the story talked about and Nicol Bolas is gonna be able to travel through time and space and warp things to how HE desires thus bringing back some of the Phyrexians and corrupting some Slivers and Eldrazi's
The time bubble issue will become a reverse K'rrik issue. Instead of evolving and compleating the interior of time bubble at neck breaking speed for the ones outside of it, it would be at slow motion. On the survivial of New Phyrexia, it will have the similar issue that Old Phyrexia had when it was cut off the multiverse by the Thrawn, everyone would be recycled, reprocesed and refined endlessly. Difference is that with the access of the rest of the mana they kinda dodged the decending spiral that was the Old Phyrexia ecosystem.
If we considert that the New Phyrexians compleated mostly every corner of Mirrodin in a couple of years and managed to pull this, short yet extremely destructive invasion, just imagining what they could do in a couple of unsupervised decades could be wild. Yawgmoth managed to keep everything rolling for around 4 thousand years with basically fumes, New Phyrexians could potencially reach even higher altitudes in a fraction of the time.
On the Phyrexian hierarchy... that is a hard one to tell. Odds are that knowing my Phyrexians, they would start the pecking order on each sphere once again and maybe the Dominus would be the ones on top. If Urabrask is still alive and manages to becomes the one in charge... well i dont see him doing too much there because i dont doubt he would rather leave everyone do their business and basically every sphere would become its own city state and and again maybe the Dominus could become something of a figure head answering only to him. Ixhel also comes to mind and she could be also become the new voice of this less centraliced Phyrexia.
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I wonder if mtg necromancy and the glistening oil affects the soul more than just the corpse, ence why oil can't bring back zombies and necromancer can't bring back compleated dead creatures.
But phyrexians can and regularly use necromancy.
Just look at what they did to Venser.
There’s also the fact that they can complete inanimate objects, like the Weatherlight.
To me it’s more a case of the writing being inconsistent.
Honestly, I wouldn't want another story about the phyrexians. I'm so over it now. It's time to move on and create new bigger and badder villains and threats to the multiverse or bring back old villains from the past that we haven't seen or heard from in years like Geyadrone Dihada for an example.
Same here
I in spirit agree. And I don’t think we will see them again for YEARS. Maybe the 50th anniversary lol
Agreed
Honestly, I'd like a down to earth villain who maybe threatens a plane or two.
I'd like a more personal story... Like a serial killer that preys on planeswalkers? Not an army, not a big bad dragon/cthuloid monster, but one dude that is hard to track down and just hunts PWs. I'm think that would be more intriguing. Maybe a take on Gorr from marvel? Gorr the Planeswalker butcher? Lol
12:00 Possible fated duo of a reborn Wrenn and _compleated_ Wrenn at some point?
It’s gotta be. Plus knew Wrenn grown from an acorn to fight them
I hope this isn't the end of the Phyrexian story because so far March of the Machine just feels like a very dismissive story of them.
We've had this build-up between New Capenna, Kaldheim, Kamigawa and Dominaria with the Praetors travelling to different planes, turning inhabitants into Phyrexians and even compleating Planeswalkers!
Now it's just "Oh, now they're all dead." within a few minutes of each other. At least with Bolas and Emrakul they feel like they COULD return at any moment too!
I just realized this is a reverse of what happens to emi on innastrad instead of the threat dippin out and getting sealed cause the planet isn’t done marinating, phyrexia is being seal and starts marinating
They’d need to give it a lot of time to heal after bottling the ending so badly. If it can even be salvaged.
I suppose the one good thing of killing the Praetors (most in a bad way) is, for better or worse, they are gone now? And not going to be pulled out of a moon or saved from Police Ugin
I just wish they’d actually stop one of these multiplanar threats for good rather than sticking them on the shelf. Emrakuel is in a moon, Bolas in the meditation realm, and now the Phyrexians in a pocket dimension.
I believed they mentioned the oil is now useless, having reverted back to its original form before Yawgmoth even found it and corrupted it. It's now no more than oil now, Phyrexia and Yawgmoth madness might finally be over
I dont think its that phyrexia has unlimited time. When teferi went back to zhalfir wasnt it mentioned that while thousands of years passed very little time passed in zhalfir?
Seing how the time worked for Zalphir, a thousand year would have passed for the whole multiverse before a full year would have passed for phyrexia. Before they could launch a new invasion, Ixalan or Innistrad will have mechas like Kamigawa ^^
But where was Jace Beleren and did Tilbalt really died ?
For what we know, Jace could have tried to complete Bolas and maybe Tibalt body may have been recycled to create a fully phyrexian planeswalker.
Seing how the black Thanes of contract was used to create a new creature maybe Tilbalt's body could have been used in some way.
Also, one double sided card revealed seems to hint that some Izzet experimented with the oil and managed to bring a phyrexian back to life/create a new phyrexian.
Maybe a few mad scientist will manage to create something strange, probably not on the scale of phyrexian but hey why not using the oil to give life to warmachine just like the ones during the brother's war ?
It is important to note that there are still powerful Phyrexians on New Phyrexia. Phyrexians that took no part in the conflict.
Vishgraz for example, made from parts of Geth.
Vishgraz was disassembled as soon as he was created.
@@kindalllowder3595 not true, i remember they were going to, but Ix hel let him escape
rona glissa malcator slobad ezuri vraan the corpse of tibalt
@@kindalllowder3595 Incorrect. He was released.
Isn’t the planar bridge still on New Phyrexia after Jin removed it from Tezzeret?
Wait your right the Planar Bridge is still in tezzeret's old body
I don't think Jin removed it - He gave Tezzeret a new body one that wouldn't decay with the use of the planar bridge. Jin's plan was to compleat Tezzert using the reality chip.
@@Ariaoff.Limits the planar bridge is in tezzeret’s old body it wouldn’t decay given that tezzeret was practically machine only human part of him was his head which jin removed and put on a new Darksteel body.
While New Phyrexia is now stuck somewhere, people might forget two important details, one, only Tefferi could access it and only that was done due to Wrenn using Realmbreaker to nearly break reality, making it very difficult to find the plane. Secondly, most likely the remaining Phyrexians on New Phyrexia either shut down or went insane and slaughtered each other, and if someone did find the plane it would probably be like Old Phyrexia, broken and dead, filled with death and decay but unable to cause anymore harm. The only way for Phyrexia to come back to me is not rediscovering Phyrexians or being infected by the glistening oil but someone like Rona, an individual similar in scope and madness to that of Yawgmoth. Them being inspired or intrigued by the concept of phyrexia and now might seek to replicate it. Now with the invasion but there remains across the universe, upon worlds with the greatest minds, I think some psychopath will try to do another Phyrexia because madness never dies.
Rona was compleated, so she's likely "turned off" as well.
@@stratavosstuff7575 I know that, but I was giving an example of crazy nut jobs who are obsessed with Phyrexia. She most likely dead.
Based on the story phyrexians became inactive once Norn died so why would that not affect the phyrexians phased out in New phyrexia? By that logic they should stay inactive/in coma as well if Norn managed somehow to modify the oil.
I also don't believe that they would bring phyrexians back at least for many many years. They really wanted all the big baddies of the multiverse to be defeated so i doubt they'd just bring any of them back any time soon.
Also anyone else sad we didn’t get a Eldrazi coming out of retirement to throw down against phyrexia or bolas coming back to lay down some law?
@5:15 yeah is this pocket dimension a closed off plane or the blind eternity would be neat if the story becomes this is the eldrazi origin story
Can you imagine if they just called it Newer Phyrexia
I wonder where Tezzeret is currently, and if his new body still works.
2:45 Woah; where'd you get the Dominaria globe from??
I have a theory for how they might continue magic's theory. they mentioned planes that realmbreaker could not reach and one specific dangerous creature type that has unknown origins to a degree. What if the eldrazi are not fully gone and when we left ulamog and kozilek on zendikar they left not liking burning and they returned to their own home plane unknown to anyone and the eldrazi return
oh I wish so much the story would be worth all your love, thought and labor
I wonder if they cann use this as an excuse to bring Old Phyrexia back into the picture. Some to do with Realmbreak pulling every realm closer yanking that back too.
I have been wondering about this very thing. All it takes for Phyrexia to spread is the presence of the glistening oil, which is now scattered throughout the multiverse. Which would seem to mean there could end up being multiple new Phyrexias. But we also learned that on Irokia creatures there evolved to be immune to the oil, and the crystals on their bodies can absorb the oil, removing the threat. So all the heroes need to do it take some crystals from Ikorian beasts to every effected plane and play clean up of the oil. But then there is the New Phyrexia in the pocket of space time.
There is also a card, i forgot its name, whose flavour text states that wish Elesh Norns Death and the sealing of New Phyrexia, te oil became inactive and less potent.
@@qaztim11 I don't necessarily disagree, but I would think with her gone it would revert back to it's original way.
@@nategraham6946 It did react to Yawgmoth's death with some lethargy, though, and he was the one meant to lead everything. With a lesser commander like Norn, maybe the oil just goes dormant. How much time will it take for someone in some plane to manage to reactivate it, though? Their solution buys them time, but it doesn't solve the ultimate problem, even if New Phyrexia remains in exile forever.
@@juliahenriques210 I would think it would go back to the same lethargic state as after Yawgmoth. Until a new leader can take control of it. But even in that lethargic state it is a huge threat, possibly more so.
My theory is:
Forgottens myrs and Levelers beggin the once a century purge of life programmed by Memnarch in the old times.
Phyrexians without the suns mana and cleansed of fleshy bits became a New Kind of phyrexian, all artefacts, and live as New Mirrodin's population.
Wizards take 10 or more years to revisit the history and use them a cannon fodder to the 4th Eldrazzi Boogaloo. 😔
I really want to see Wrenn return as a Phyrexian and with a compleated army then start invading other planes. But for sure, it will be quite a while before they get the spotlight again.
You know the reason why the glistening oil stoped working doesn’t make sense right?! When the oil started infecting Mirridon after Karn infected the plane there was no other plane to influence the oil…sigh
But are there new capennaian Ángels everywhere or did they go back?
I'm still not entirely sure how the swap happened. The tree branches root so deeply they can move planes around? The phyrexians could have used it to make planes collide, creating new Confluxes and such?
On Kaldheim, the realms moved across the branches of the world tree and occasionally collided resulting in doomskars. From the sounds of things Wren caused a pretty big doomskar (or whatever Realmbreaker's equivalent of one would be called) in the process of directing the paths of the 2 planes to more permanent positions.
I hope that with time the whole plane gains conciousness, and using Realmbreaker's branches as tentacles launches itself again into the multiverse as a plane-consuming plane.
Well, this is a massive problem. Glistening oil should still work even if Elesh norn doesn't exist, so Ajani and Nissa should still be fighting for Phyrexia instead of going into a coma that allows them to be cured.
There's some implication that Norn altered the oil to depend on her orders/something on New Phyrexia distributing her orders because she conflated herself with Phyrexia as a whole (and thus would be too important to ever let fall).
On one hand, it's plausible since we know Gitaxias already altered the oil once to facilitate the compleation of Planeswalkers without all the hands on surgery. On the other hand, we've got no idea who would've done it (Gitaxias abandoned her during the climax so he clearly wasn't aware that she was needed to keep their forces going, Norn has had to depend on Jin to alter the oil so she's unlikely to be able to do it, and clearly none of the other Phyrexians realized how Norn had made herself so integral to their invasion effort).