Marshall ORIGINAL Bluesbreaker Vs REISSUE
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- 1967 Marshall model 1962 JTM45 Bluesbreaker Vs 2017 Bluesbreaker Reissue. 2013 Gibson SG Standard Custom Shop. Close mic Unidyne IV 548, room mic AKG C414 Omni at 10 feet. Apogee Duet min, IPad, Cubasis, recorded dry, no post-processing.
Lesson learned.
Never change the tubes, never change the speakers, wait a couple of decades to start seeing the improvements.
Unfortunately, that's not a viable solution. Vintage speakers and tubes were made differently in the '50s and '60s era than they're made today, so unless companies start upping their game and producing accurate vintage Celestion copies, and particularly military spec tubes that both sound better and will last for years without burning out the way modern ones do, then we're always going to fall short with modern stuff.
The reissue sounds pretty good though, it just needs to be broken in.
+Erik Adams yeah it will get warmer. Check out Mats Frånlunds video on speaker burn in
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1967: warmer, fatter, better IMHO. 2017: too bright to me.
Renner Gutierre thé original sounded brighter but in a warm way
That 67' cabinet has some serious mojo going on!
+StealthParrot Yeah, both speakers and cab are amazing
'67 sounds better, but the '17 sounds great - particularly through the vintage speakers. Thanks again for proving what a huge difference the speakers make.
+djdurkadurka Thanks! :-)
Right. Ive recently discovered hpw important speakers are. I always went from high end amp to the next etc. Guitara too. Never getting the sound j liked. I ran them all thry a custom made for me 2x12 cab. Its a greay cab but had cheap jenson kod 70 speakers. I finallt put a vintage 55hz greenback. And a newer england made 30 watt greenbacl 75hz and damnnn
@@JohanSegeborn is this the handwired reissue?
it's a good thing they designed that amp with a slot to keep you beer from spilling on the floor.
2017 too fizzy - original = real deal !
I think that using the old speakers with the reissue made evident that the speakers are a big variable, then old tubes vs, new tubes, then the output transformer (materials and winding technique), then the aging of the components. Great demo. Thanks!
+red shark Thanks!
*and the cabinet (type of wood, age, construction)
red shark I was thinking the same thing about that
well the amp itself is different
Yeah, according to marshall law, all reissues are not to be made the same as the original amps cause if they did make the amps exactly the same, then you'd loose your investment in both products. They've got to reward their old customers with keeping the new amps seperate from the originals but paying tribute to the originals.
But the people who still own the originals can buy a new product and get all new era sounds too! If you buy you're a winner! Every customer, old or new, are all winners!
The loozerz are the people who want the same thing as the historical item, or people who expect the new thing to be the old thing and therefore have no evolution in design. Which would be defined as a dead product.
The 1967 is pure sex! The 2017 sounds worse to me through the 1967 cab; sounds better through its own. Great demo. Classic!
+mdub048 Glad to hear that, Thanks!
same
Use the right speakers and Marshall has a hit on their hands. Oh, it needs a couple burns and a beer spill before it will sound just right...
🇬🇧1967 For The Win ...
AC/DC.4.LIFE ! +1 dude '67 better)
Great demo Johan, well played, but you need to get that top end tone at volume dressed off so it doesn't sound too bright and edgy. It will makes the notes you're playing sound bigger and musically more appealing. Doesn't have to sound like Clapton in '66, but a bit closer would be a plus imo.
When you go from the 1967 to the 2017, the 2017 sounds harsh for few seconds but then sounds very good too. So yes they do sound different but both are good on their own and I think is not a bad choice to go for the new one... thanks for the video, you rock!
+Jone Gomez Thanks Jones, Yeah considering the huge price difference the Reissue is not bad at all.
+Jone Gomez sorry I meant Jone! That auto spell is getting on my nerves :-)
Johan Segeborn no worries, and yes is all about the price and availability of the vintage one, plus not many people would like to carry a jewel of an amp around... so yup the 2017 for me is the one, unfortunately not going to sound like you even with that amp :)
I bought a new one and absolutely love the thing
I can imagine that sound coming out of an original back in the day.
I think amps mellow with time and with component drift amps have their own personality
The tremolo is awesome too
I wonder how the 2017 Reissue will sound in 2067?
Of all great amps Johan has played on this channel, this original Bluesbreaker is the one I really would like to have.
Really great comparison. The original definitely has my vote. Sounds warmer and more open. Very interesting how the speakers warmed the sound of the reissue though! Thanks for posting all these Johan. Love your videos!
+Stew Roberts Thanks, great to hear that!
I think the 2017 needs to be sent to me so I can break it in..I may have to keep it awhile then let's do this test all over again.
+Sam Fosdick Hahaha, that's a very generous offer ;-)
Address is as follows....LOL
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Sam Fosdick Along with those 2 slant back cabs too!
Ha was thinking the same thing. The 2017 sounds lovely to me.
The speakers make all the difference! Good playing, man.
+Simon Anand Thanks Simon!
The 1967 sounds warmer and rounder. I think it's the speakers that makes the difference!?
They both sound good in their own unique way
Though the reissue sounds like it needs to be broken in
2017 sounds tighter and more compressed
1967 sounds Loose and open and ballzy
which is better..?
I WANT BOTH!
+Cawfee Dawg Cheers! ;-)
1967 is another world, other voice... smooth and warm, middle oriented with sweet treble and bass... very vintage tone... 2017 is dry, hard... more modern. In my opinion.
cool video Johan!
makes one wonder if the original sounded like the reissue back when it was new :)
+Mattias Augustsson Thanks man! :-) I think the recordings from 66 and 67 sounds very much like this 1967 amp
That's the first thing I noticed. The '67 sounds like records from '67
yeah you are right guys :)
Is it me or is the '67 seem quieter with a lot less hum? You'd think the 2017 would have fewer noise related issues. Either way - I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the cab makes such a huge difference. Admittedly, I love vintage, particularly for this amp model/era but even from a more objective point of view the '67 is way more refined and a lot less noisy to my ears.
+Thomas DiSanto I agree the 67 is surprisingly noise free
you are the pinnacle of comparison vids bro. thx so much and i luv you groove time on the guitar and attitude. u make me wanna lesGo play the guitar. ur accent is bomb to.
+Tone Fingerz Thanks my friend, so good to hear that! :-)
I seriously doubt the reissue will ever age to match the original. The old transformers can't be copied, the magnet wire and iron in old vs. new, can never match, plus those old speakers can't really be matched either. My opinion....
The 1967 one sounded more balanced and more fenderish to me, while the reissue in some settings sounded quite fizzy in the highs, i don't know if are the speakers of the amp EQ itself, but in others sounded closer to the original.
It always amazes me, how much a good cab and speakers can do for you're sound!
My fav is the 2017 through the cab of the 1967. Thanks for the great demo Johan, keep going as you do :)
Wow...great video as usual :p
Both are sounding awsome...but that 1967...You just need a Range Master and you're ready to play the Beano album
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Thanks for that!
+A_L Thanks!
A fantastic idea to run the new amp through the old cab!
I wonder if, in 1967, the speakers in the old cab sounded as bright as the new ones do? The old speakers sound a little bit muddy for me and the new ones a little bit too harsh. Drawing a straight line between them would mean that something from 1975-80 would be perfect for me. :-)
As usual, a very entertaining and thought-provoking educational video, Johan!
+Blues Bengan Thanks Bengan, Players I know that had these cabs on the early seventies claims they sounded very much like this out of the box.
So the G12Ms are brighter now. What can I use if I want the darker G12M tone and not ruin myself?
that SG screams man. i think the 67 sounds better, i cant really say why though. imore spongy maybe? the 67 cab help the 17 a bit but the 67 was just oozing awesomeness more than the 17 in every capacity..... good video my man
+STEVE LEITNER Thanks man :-)
STEVE LEITNER it's mostly the cab
The 67 is so much warmer. Definitely prefer it, though the 2017 does still sound good, just a little too harsh in the treble. The longer I watched the video though, the more I liked the 2017
+xMasterxRazorx Thanks!
I was surprised at how close in tone they both sounded, which I attributed mostly to the speakers. Even with the '67 speakers though I noticed slightly more treble in the reissue. Another great video, Johan. What video camera do you use? My GoPro is good, but your video quality is excellent.
+Rudy Mikula Thanks Rudy! This was filmed with an IPad and an IPhone actually. I used the Chromic and Snapseed apps to post process the video and pics. Cheers Johan
Wow never would have guessed anything that simple. I'll try downloading the apps. Thank you.
Well the original got kt66 , the RI got 5881.
I'v upgraded my '08 Ri with KT66 and it sounds overall a tad better. A bit warmer and organic.
Sweet comparison. They did a really nice job on the reissue. Sounds so damn close.
+anthony turco Thanks Anthony!
Thanks @johansegeborn it's definitely the old speakers that give you that great tone, although the reissue with new speakers is no slouch, it's just different. I consider in this comparison that it's a question of how the equipment has aged (how old the equipment is, how many times it was used in that time, how it was used most of the time "distorted" or "clean") since that defines how much the speaker has softened and how much wear and tear the internal circuits have and their performance, so many factors that intervene in the final tone that it's not worth going crazy over this. The Marshall team has done a great job with this reissue, let's take advantage before something changes.
Hey Johan, you know what I thing would be cool? Stock telecaster Vs Tele with bridge humbucker, like Keith Richard's, or Flying V with stock stopbar Vs Flying V with that "v" bridge that the Korinas have. Ideas similar to the LP stock Vs LP with floyd rose you did recently. Thanks for the content, as always!
First of all, by 1967 didn't all Bluesbreaker amps cosmetically look like the reissue style, which look like the one on the Beano album? Secondly, it would be great if Mr. Segeborn would have actual professional guitarists come in a do real A/B comparisons...with all apologies, Mr. Segeborn's playing does not do these amps real justice.
It’s tough...a lot can be said for EQ. You know, I’ve played w people who literally can’t play if they don’t have their babies...either one of these amps would sing in the right hands. There ARE differences, but who’s to say what’s better or worse or just DIFFERENT. Dig for a time at apartment volume levels then wonder why everything goes out the window when volume is at noon now at the space. 40 dollar patch cables. You either got it, or you DONT. The rest can become utter nonsense in the wrong brain until they’re paralyzed w fear because their balls weren’t ever there in the first place. Rock on. Love your videos! Sorry...I’ve been bulldozed by vintage audio gear to where I’d just rather somebody plug in a gorilla and rock without fiddling w gear more than playing. YOU keep doing what you’re doing. I love it.
I have listened quite a few times now and I can get all the information I need in the first 40 seconds. The 1967 is the one. The 2017 is a bit too bright. The 2017 through the 1967 speakers has too much sizzle. The speakers on the 67 did not really seem to like the 2017 amp. I would imagine that it's possible to tweak the tone controls to get the 2017 to sound more like the 1967, bit I wouldn't know for sure unless you send me both amps immediately. This video has now become my reference to set up my Yamaha THR10C.
Funny how the 2017 is so much brighter. Doesn't sound good thru the '67 cab.The original sounds better. Funny but I think it's a question of maturity!In 50 years the RI may sound just as good as the '67 no?In any event both amps are spectacular.Thank you Johan.
😆1967 HEARD IT RIGHT OFF, MUCH BETTER😆
David Buzzin definitely, but people who are selling them are asking crazy numbers for them. They know the value . I seen the process for making the reissue, the team spent years on the details, even the cloth on the front was a pain in the ass to find. Tempting to buy one
Johan, the speakers didn't make as big a difference as I expected. The re-issue just doesn't have the balsy growl or character of the vintage. I'd love to hear you compare a vintage AC30 with an AC30HW2X and run the new Vox through the vintage cab. Cheers!
Hey Johan glad to see your latest comparison. Man those amps barely sound even similar. I would suspect if you ran the 67 through the 17 it wouldn't even sound like the 2017 amp or close. Wow cool to see what was and and what is and what will never be :) funny Marshall trying to clone them selves lol. I think the 67 has all that classic and spades but the 17 is nicer more refined which lends to a more modern sound. I dig it. I have a 1974x which sounds similar to your 1917 with less gain. I had a Mercury Magnets O/T installed and it sounded so much better took that mud out of the tone.
I agree with comments, great video as always except I started to enjoy your proper song so all felt a bit short 😜😀😄.
Now, a question to you Johan. Did you feel a difference in bite or muscle in the room? I am asking because I discovered the notion with a proper late 58 bassman. Leo himself was after that and succeeded obviously.
Cool comparison... However, when the Bluesbreakers of the '60s gained their fame, they were quite new in comparison to the one seen in this video. So, does anyone out there have a relatively unused '60s Bluesbreaker hangin' around their bedroom that they'd be willing to loan Johan for a few days so that he can do a remake of this video? C'mon boys & girls... step forward... don't be shy!
Original has more girth and warmth
The 1967 sounded more open right off the bat. Great demo, as usual! Thanks, Johan!
+Marvin Dimal Thanks Marvin!
They both sound good. However, the reissue amp doesn't sound close enough to the original though. Probably due to the different speakers. Apparently, the reissue Greenbacks don't sound like the actual Greenbacks. I don't mean that the new Greenbacks sound bad, but just not like real Greenbacks.
Write a great song and it doesn't matter what your playing through. An audience doesnt care whether you got the 3rd les paul ever made or the mesa boogie prototype.Give em a hot song and they'll tell all their friends about you, Stop getting distracted w vintage or expensive equipment. Concentrate on song writting, Thats where the success will come from.Own those copyrights, and keep focused on what counts!
I preferred the 2017! Both were fantastic but I just liked the sharper attack. Johan, did you jumper the channels? What volume were you driving them at?
Almost like two different amps. I hate that this happens, but was on another tab just listening and whenever I liked one sound better, it was the 1967. Well actually, towards the end there were riffs that were well suited for 2017 as well. But I still think 1967 takes it home any day of the week.
I have the re-issue which I have modified to include valves , caps, filters and transformer of the originals (just need to do the speakers) ... it sounds right between the two here... not as bright as your 2017 but not quite as fat as the original. Thanks for this demo, it's really interesting!
So I own this exact amp, different year, but nonetheless nearly identical. Bought it from a dear friend of mine who gave me a great deal because he knew I would play it because that's what instruments want to do. They are happier being played. When I got the old one I sold my reissue. I think a big part of the old sound comes down to wear and tear. Guitars open up over time, speakers loosen up a bit, the wood molecules in the cab rattle into place, part values drift slightly. The reissue I had did get better every hundred hours or so. That being said every individual Marshall from back then sounds different too.
They both have pros and cons. The speakers and amp are broken in on the older. That is going to affect the sound. I would buy a used one over the new. But...that also means you have no clue what kind of abuse it has gone through. I have to decide...is 3200.00 worth it vs. 1500.00.
for lack of a better way to describe it the reissue sounds brighter has more presents for lack of a better word maybe a little harsher and when you run them reissue head through the old speaker cabinet it changes things a bit so it must be a combination of the old electronics getting a little softer and the speakers of the 67 the combinations what makes it sound different to my ears better. but that's all very subjective and in a band setting it's entirely possible to reissue would cut through and sound better. Johan have you ever heard of "the Doug and Pat show"? if not you should
+dan peabody Yeah, they're great. They actually did this cab/amp swap with an 18 watter in one of their clips.
Johan Segeborn yeah I saw that one they switched all the components both sound good really very good but the old one has just a little something. wish I had one either of them but yeah the Doug and Pat show is great I love chasing Oscar that's one of the best sounding guitars I've ever heard in my life. so y'all hun I'm going to buy a neck and a body and build myself in the Esquire you know the classic butterscotch blackguard with the v-shaped neck but which pickup should I use I don't want anything high-gain I have other telecasters and other les pauls. so I just want this Esquire to be 20 and kind of get that Keith Richards Rock country thing
Juha Helin huh?
The first part of the video playing on overdrive, there is a big difference in sound. The original is thick and warmer. It sounds much better than the reissue. Once you got to the clean sound- they both sound pretty similar. Great video!
An interesting side note on comparing originals to reissues - I recently bought an Ibanez Tubescreamer TS808 reissue and compared it to an original TS808 from the early 1980's. The sound is almost identical. I don't think I would have been able to tell them apart in a blind test.
+Ron Shoud Thanks, did you make a clip of the 808?
I don't have recording equipment to make a clip. As inexpensive as some of it is, I should probably look in to getting something.
Ron Shoud I have made the same comparison and if anything preferred the reissue being that the low range of the gain knob was cleaner but the eq was indistinguishable. I also compared to an 80s ts10 like that srv supposedly used and sold the ts10. They have to try very hard these days to get it wrong with gear like that.
I recently did THE SAME THING with the TS9. They sound EXACTLY the same.
John Rose the only thing I'd say about the 808 reissue is that the switch is very poor in its mechanical action and the led is very dim. I have modded several for friends with a sturdy footswitch and clipped the top of the led to make it more viewable on stage. I have no problem with the buffer personally, you can a/b with a basic bypass box and it's really not intrusive, unlike some of the more unusual screamer variants ibanez did in the eighties. All hats off to ibanez for their electronics then!
I like the 2017 in the old cab, sounder awesome, so buy a vintage one, take out the guts and store it and put in new amp, it will look cool, sound cool, and probably be more reliable :-) and keep the original for rainy days.
Wonder what the 1967-model sounded like in '67? Both speakers and components change over time so the difference may have been much smaller if both had been recorded within the year of production.
Johan I had a Marshall bluesbreaker reissue it never sounded right. Just not warm enough. What causes that? Would you need to put lower filter caps and a better turret board? Also the reissues come with the wrong tubes. They should be Kt66s.
I was really surprised by the difference. On any given day most of us would kill to have the 2017, but not today. Today belongs to 1967.
do you think they will ever make a re issue of any amp or speaker that's sounds as warm or warmer that the original ? in 50 years of hard playing how do think the 2017 version will sound ? time will tell. Thank you for these demonstrations. It's a real treat, keep up the good work.
gotta say the new one sounds better, probably a heretical statement, but there it is... people have a tendency to fetishize/romanticize these things, most are going to default say the '67 is better just because they know its a '67, but if you did a blindfold preference test the results would be mixed, listen with your ears not your eyes
I'm sorry, but the reissue or the reissue plugged into the original didn't even come close to the original.
Johan, I have 2 of the reissues, and they sound like the '67, sorta. The new amp sounds buzzy, but it does sound good. What did you think?🙂
How about running the 1967 through the new speakers also? This would eliminate and shed light on another variable. What new speakers do to a vintage chasis/head's tone.
awesome Johan. i play my 1974x reissue paired with a original pulsonic greenback. sounds killer. would love to see you create the same video with the 1974x cheers. lets go
+jaydenjames104 Thanks! The 1974x is indeed a great amp too. Check out the Doug and Pat show, I think they did that Comparison. Cheers!
I know that in many of these demo video's you are using the Marshall's owned by others. I was just curious how many do you personally own and what are they ? Like you have enough time to answer this question, lol.
I didn't really like the 2017 combo on its own, sounded quite harsh to me. Using the 60s cab improved it a great deal. But still I thought the 67 is really in a class of its own.
+preromanbritain I agree
Had Marshall abandoned using alnicos in the Bluesbreaker by '67?
Spoiler: both sound GREAT! although the original sounds quite a bit more "vintage", for lack of a better word
1967 has more grit, low end and harmonic content. 1967 cab is deeper in dimension.
the 67 cab makes the two amps sound similar
Hello and happy new year. If you decrease the treeble on 2017, you can maybe obtain the sound of the 67.
The reissue seems just a hair chimier on the cleans, but overall I think Marshall got this one damn close.
+pyroman6000 Cheers
Hejsan Johan. I know I am 8 months shy of release, but I still like to comment, because I just finished building a 1963 JTM45 clone with Dagnell power and output transformers built similar to the original but with KT66 Golden Lion tubes and JJEZ34 rectifier tube and EI ECC83 preamp tubes through a vintage 412A cabinet with post Rola British G12 H25 and if I am just close to the 1967 blues breaker in it's rich harmonics and tone, I will jump up and down. The difference I hear is in the harmonics. The reissue sound like solid state in the comparison. Changing speakers gives a difference in tone, but still shy on harmonics. Rock on!
Thanks Steffen, that’s a cool amp to build!
love the 1967, but they are about 15000 €... :o/ would be nice to hear, how the new 1962 handwired sounds like, compared to the old one. but these are around 3500 € too... lol
and again, a great video! :o)
+spacebeach23 Thanks! :-)
another great video Johan! ...quick q - whats your desert island guitar!? if you could only play 1 of your own for the rest of your life
yes there is a diff in the sound, a great part belongs to speakers i think, both amps have a great sound but to me the old one have a little more mellow in its sound, the old one works best to me. thanks for another good a/b test. very nice
👋 johan
much prefer the 1967.
the 2017 is tight and sounds compressed. remember i once tried a strat through an old bluesbreaker many years ago. the shop assistant thought I was an amazing guitarists. wish i could turn back time. she was blonde and good looking but i like all guitarists when in a guitar store like a child in a sweet shop.
DAM. Missed that one
thanks for the vid.
+STEVE SHAW Thanks Steve! I was like a child in a sweet shop myself, that amp is really kind to the player!
I would prefer the original, and yes the speakers make a big difference for the sound. Great video Johan!
+rushyeskansas Thanks!
i like the sounds from the 1967 amp more : )
To me there is no comparison but I wonder why the 2017 sounds so much better through the old cabinet? What wood did they use to build those old cabinets?
You know I think that they both sound great. They're different for sure but I'm not even so sure I'd say one is "better." Just different.
you are awsome! i cant help but watch. i love the comparisons! it has got me into changing up my gear and it is fun.
+Chris Van Middelkoop Thanks Chris, it's really good to hear that!
What do u do for a living lol? I mean literally accesses every vintage amp known to man…. Jealous lol
Playing the reissue through the old speakers makes it get closer to the original's sound. But, maybe the reissue is just brand new and needs some years of (ab)use, because if you didn't have the original for reference it has a very good Marshall tone! Just sounds too "polished" compared to the old one. Cheers!
+George Kollaros Cheers!
I really want one. But its the price. I had to settle for a Fender 68 Custom Delux Reverb.
67' sounds punchier...if thats a word? Also the 67' sounds a bit more detailed in the uper-mids. The 17' sounded about the same through the 67' speakers as it did through its own speakers, kinda dull. The 67' sounds better to me but what do I know, I've never even seen one of these in person much less played one.
+Raymond Ward Thanks man, I hope it's a word, I use it all the time ;-)
I am usually one of those persons that never hear a difference on these comparison videos - and I don't want to ever believe that the older vintage equipment can sound better than the newer stuff, especially with all the technology at our disposal - but god dammit!!!! The difference was so obvious, the vintage amp is clearly better. I thought the newer amp sounded better while plugged into the older speaker/cab - but I don't think it was quite 100% all the way there. Wish I could go back and time and grab one of these units while it was still brand spanking new and bring it back to see if it had the mojo - or does age really do something to these units?
+VoxPathfinder15R Thanks man, that would be the ultimate Comparison :-)
Love the looks of the 2017, love the sound of it through the 1967 and the sound of the 1967
The 1967 IMO breathes better, has a spongier sound. The 2017 was stiff (maybe the speaker needs to be broken in) but overall I hear the 67 having more of that complex rich tone...
+skunkproductionsMLA Thanks, yeah the 67 is hard to beat
Wow... I definitely did not expect such a major difference. To my ears, the original sounds much, much better! I'm not usually to play the "vintage mojo" card, but in this case the tone is so different I can't help but wonder if there were significant revisions made to the circuit.
+Burns I wonder that too. Gonna take a look at them!
Hi Johan :) exellent playing as always man .. What a big difference in sound,i would take the original it sounds so much better than the reissue.
+keke roos Thanks Keke, glad you liked it!
I may be wrong here, but to me, the old Bluesbreaker sounded darker than the reissue, dare I say almost like a Fender Bassbreaker.
Anyone else confused how it can be called a reissue? I don't hear any similarities whatsoever.
Best demo ever shown to mankind!!!! I love the Bluesbreaker Combo sound - my personal favorite when it comes to Marshall. Using the old cab for the new amp was a great move. When driven the new one narrows a bit and pronounces a lot more upper mids it seems - that is the sound i perceived on two different headphones i used to listen to the clip. I wish i would have been in the room, listening to it in persona. Awesome demo - what a joy to listen to!
+SchreihalsFX Thanks! That's a good characterization, it does indeed narrow down quite a bit when pushed.
As always, my mouth is left hanging open.
+Mike Barry Cheers Mike! :-)
Is the reissue hand wired or is printed circuit board?
johan have you or will you play the marshal astoria's ? i like them but dont see them around , was wondering what you think of them
edit ; i know you played the green version , i was talkin about that red one they recently done over , made it black and dropped the price
+wasn't me haven't played the red one or the new one yet I'm afraid
hmmmm..they both sound awesome johan...blindfolded..i couldn't tell..very tricky..i like it i like it😁
+Robbie Russell Thanks man