I always clamp a 1-2-3 block in the vise and just model the jaws as such in CAM. Easy and precise way to keep load on the movable so it doesnt move and hold a known distance between the jaws.
I love it, some of the most sophisticated cutting machines in the world and everything boils down to a guy with a sharpy to make a template. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it, it shows ingenuity and nothing can beat a good sharpy to make a template. A thumbs up from me.
Love to have seen the programming in Sketch and CAM. We don't see enough of that with you guys. That's where most of the difficulties are. But again awesome job though.
That's going to be a master piece and should be in a museum one day for everyone to admire,,,Awesome method of fixturing,,thinking out side the box is what Stuart does well,,Bear
I would think exactly to size. From the look of the remaining stock they'll have to use the jaws as the location for the next operation. If the jaws are not exactly the same (where it counts) the next opp will not blend with the first.
I like running no offset on straights to allow them to locate and relieve all radii and corners so there is no interference with the jaws. Allows for some wiggle room in jaw machining and for part variation.
Do you ever have an issues with lift? For example, I will often put a dial on the top of the part as I tighten the jaws. As I tighten I will normally see between .001 and .005 of lift. Based on that amount, I shift my work offset up. This assumes I am using the bottom of the part (the floor of the soft jaw pocket) as the reference Z position. Is this just a me thing? Or have you experienced this?
What kind of vise are you using? A kurt or kurt style should actually pull the movable jaw down with clamp pressure. Might be over tightening and bowing the part and or vise body.
Hello, I have a question regarding the work coordinate after we flip the part. Being that there is stock in the way, how do we accurately reference geometry on the part if we cannot probe it? I'm using Fusion 360 and often use a model box point or reference a particular geometry to set up my G54. Thanks as always!
Take your reference for op2 from the soft jaws as you've already referenced these when making them, unless there's a hole through the part from op1 to go from.
He wouldn't have needed it to be exact so he could have just set the jaws in master cam to cut the profile. He could have even SWAG'd it and dry ran above it and adjusted.
I like running no offset on straights to allow them to locate and relieve all radii and corners so there is no interference with the jaws. Allows for some wiggle room in jaw machining and for part variation.
Same here. Always cut them to the size of your part but add clearance at sharper corners/bends to avoid any risk of jaws contacting parts on individual points instead of faces.
i would love to see a video on how to use rotation and scaling to set work offsets on a part using 2 known features like 2 bores to get g54 and angle using haas nex gen and confusion 360. Basically to locate the part in the program without a fixture.. for one offs ..organically shaped or a casting . l appreciate the meat and potatoes..knowledge is not propitiatory..KEEP SHARING!
Although I cannot see it being different ....BUT.. the cooling oil appears to be different when through tool than when it is being used as flood cooling? Can you verify. Thanks.. Great work and being able to alter a method is a sign of always thinking and not mindlessly following a plan.. Keep it up. This ability is part personal “be and do the best you can ” and company ethic, confidence in the staff and the companies direction. Love the openness it is so refreshing. Amacf
There is much more pressure when you use coolant through the spindle. Lots of it turns into vapor right away when pushing through. Thats why it might look diffrent. Through spindle coolant doesnt only just cool tho, it helps a lot with getting chips of the cutting area where they might cause troubble.
Ok so let’s just say I need to make parts at home that have holes, threads on all 6 sides, about 1-1/4” width & 10” long & 8 less than 5” tall what machine would you recommend for such applications
You can see him pull a parallel out of the vise. A 1-2-3 block works just the same. Anything to space the jaws apart and keep load on the movable jaw so it doesn't move on you.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed but the parallel is at the bottom. This will make the moveable jaw deflect inward and the top. The jaws should be supported where the cut is happening to reduce deflection inward or outward
@@Eggsr2bcrushed the reason I also keep a huge bottle of lotion in the shop! Not scared of the China flu, just don't like super dry and bleeding hands.
Dermatitis is no joke. It can get itchy, burning and cracked skin. At that point it's gloves for sure because the coolant gets into the skin cracks and it gets really bad really fast. I've had skin infections from rancid coolant getting in open cracks in my skin.
The machines have chip augers that push the chips out usually into a bin. There is like a trough almost where the auger is and you can blow or wipe the chips towards the trough. You can look up a picture of just about any CNC mill or lathe to see more of how if works. Pretty simple though
Intresting but seems like a very inefficient and costly way of doing it. Why not just put tapped holes and tags to bolt it down to a plate? Would save time and material
In reality soft jaws is cheaper. They are incredibly versatile, require no additional ops to remove tags or drill out threads etc. The jaws themselves are basic and made in batches during quiet spells, run by operators or apprentices etc. Jaws can often be remachined to hold different profiles at a later date too. Often the same vices can be left in place from op and simple swap the jaws over to a set of soft jaws for op2. Etc etc.
I think is important to mention the use and size of spacers clamped between the soft jaws, especially for us first timers .
Great job!
I always clamp a 1-2-3 block in the vise and just model the jaws as such in CAM. Easy and precise way to keep load on the movable so it doesnt move and hold a known distance between the jaws.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed same here!
The template idea is great!
I love it, some of the most sophisticated cutting machines in the world and everything boils down to a guy with a sharpy to make a template. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it, it shows ingenuity and nothing can beat a good sharpy to make a template. A thumbs up from me.
If he used cardboard, it'd be CAD - Cardboard Aided Drawing :D
Love to have seen the programming in Sketch and CAM. We don't see enough of that with you guys. That's where most of the difficulties are. But again awesome job though.
Finding out the points that can possibly mess up the meterial is a very nice thing. Nice job guys.
That's going to be a master piece and should be in a museum one day for everyone to admire,,,Awesome method of fixturing,,thinking out side the box is what Stuart does well,,Bear
Titan & stuart as always awesome video for learning even on old machines .. nice done ! Thx for that and greetings from germany :D
Loved the template idea and the 0.020"test pass. I'll definitely incorporate those ideas. Thanks. Ciao, Marco.
Very valuable expert advice on how to do OP2 the right way. I learned a lot from this video. Thank you for sharing this video,
Very cool to see this process! Thank you for posting this!
Looks great are you guys going to leave it as raw aluminum or are you going to get it coated or anodized
do you machine soft jaws exactly to size? or do you go slightly over/under size, if so by how much?
I would think exactly to size. From the look of the remaining stock they'll have to use the jaws as the location for the next operation. If the jaws are not exactly the same (where it counts) the next opp will not blend with the first.
I like running no offset on straights to allow them to locate and relieve all radii and corners so there is no interference with the jaws. Allows for some wiggle room in jaw machining and for part variation.
Nice work, would love to see the second op on this piece!
instablaster.
Do you ever have an issues with lift? For example, I will often put a dial on the top of the part as I tighten the jaws. As I tighten I will normally see between .001 and .005 of lift. Based on that amount, I shift my work offset up. This assumes I am using the bottom of the part (the floor of the soft jaw pocket) as the reference Z position. Is this just a me thing? Or have you experienced this?
What kind of vise are you using? A kurt or kurt style should actually pull the movable jaw down with clamp pressure. Might be over tightening and bowing the part and or vise body.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed I probably am overtightening. I am using Tormach vises. I never upgraded them when I got my Haas.
I like to clamp on a 1-2-3 block at the same torque that I will hold the part with. This 'bakes in' the rise per say and comes out great.
Great job 👍
Really nice ... for me it would be nice to see how you make the soft jaws in mastercam .... love from germany :-)
Hello, I have a question regarding the work coordinate after we flip the part. Being that there is stock in the way, how do we accurately reference geometry on the part if we cannot probe it? I'm using Fusion 360 and often use a model box point or reference a particular geometry to set up my G54. Thanks as always!
Take your reference for op2 from the soft jaws as you've already referenced these when making them, unless there's a hole through the part from op1 to go from.
I often throw in a hole in my design next to the part, and use that for reference
@Stuart McConnachie Roger that! Thank you for the reply I appreciate the help!
@@104kenneth
Thank you for the tip, Appreciate your help!
@@71brp84 Thank you very much, Going to have to make sure to start incorporating a through feature. Appreciate your help!
i would love to make this in our shop. Is Titan will to share his model of the table? :)
Did you probe the left side of the left jaw and the right side of your right jaw to get your g54 or did you know the difference between the jaws?
He wouldn't have needed it to be exact so he could have just set the jaws in master cam to cut the profile. He could have even SWAG'd it and dry ran above it and adjusted.
Thanks for this video!👍👍👍
Great video!
I’m curious how you then indicated and lined up on the part once in the vice
About how much offset clearance is everyone running between their work and soft jaws?
I like running no offset on straights to allow them to locate and relieve all radii and corners so there is no interference with the jaws. Allows for some wiggle room in jaw machining and for part variation.
Same here. Always cut them to the size of your part but add clearance at sharper corners/bends to avoid any risk of jaws contacting parts on individual points instead of faces.
Thanks guys!
i would love to see a video on how to use rotation and scaling to set work offsets on a part using 2 known features like 2 bores to get g54 and angle using haas nex gen and confusion 360. Basically to locate the part in the program without a fixture.. for one offs ..organically shaped or a casting . l appreciate the meat and potatoes..knowledge is not propitiatory..KEEP SHARING!
Although I cannot see it being different ....BUT.. the cooling oil appears to be different when through tool than when it is being used as flood cooling? Can you verify. Thanks..
Great work and being able to alter a method is a sign of always thinking and not mindlessly following a plan.. Keep it up. This ability is part personal “be and do the best you can ” and company ethic, confidence in the staff and the companies direction. Love the openness it is so refreshing. Amacf
There is much more pressure when you use coolant through the spindle. Lots of it turns into vapor right away when pushing through. Thats why it might look diffrent. Through spindle coolant doesnt only just cool tho, it helps a lot with getting chips of the cutting area where they might cause troubble.
Thought it couldn’t have two types of oil.. just shows the Look can be deceptive. Thanks Vellocet
Nicely done
boooom > we waiting the next video
Ok so let’s just say I need to make parts at home that have holes, threads on all 6 sides, about 1-1/4” width & 10” long & 8 less than 5” tall what machine would you recommend for such applications
Wouldn't a home machine like this be a manual mill or bridge port?
Awesome!!!!!!
Why did you not preload the jaws with a piece of material in-between them at the same torque load you will be putting the legs in?
You can see him pull a parallel out of the vise. A 1-2-3 block works just the same. Anything to space the jaws apart and keep load on the movable jaw so it doesn't move on you.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed but the parallel is at the bottom. This will make the moveable jaw deflect inward and the top. The jaws should be supported where the cut is happening to reduce deflection inward or outward
This is good
And I've been a CNC programmer for 30+ years. I don't get the template as you can lay it out in Mastercam. I've never had to do that ever.
Nice
Are the gloves because of COVID?
Probably just to keep from the coolant getting on his hands. Some people get dry cracked skin from coolant.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed the reason I also keep a huge bottle of lotion in the shop! Not scared of the China flu, just don't like super dry and bleeding hands.
Dermatitis is no joke. It can get itchy, burning and cracked skin. At that point it's gloves for sure because the coolant gets into the skin cracks and it gets really bad really fast. I've had skin infections from rancid coolant getting in open cracks in my skin.
Aluminium?
I dont want to know what that table would cost or weigh if it was made from something stronger
I would like to work there to lots learn about that machine! 💣💣
I'm from India wanna talk about how to build industry
Dumb question from someone who only does manual machines: How do you collect and recycle the chips?
The machines have chip augers that push the chips out usually into a bin. There is like a trough almost where the auger is and you can blow or wipe the chips towards the trough. You can look up a picture of just about any CNC mill or lathe to see more of how if works. Pretty simple though
tell me why TITANS used to love Haas and now Doosan?
Intresting but seems like a very inefficient and costly way of doing it. Why not just put tapped holes and tags to bolt it down to a plate? Would save time and material
In reality soft jaws is cheaper. They are incredibly versatile, require no additional ops to remove tags or drill out threads etc. The jaws themselves are basic and made in batches during quiet spells, run by operators or apprentices etc. Jaws can often be remachined to hold different profiles at a later date too. Often the same vices can be left in place from op and simple swap the jaws over to a set of soft jaws for op2. Etc etc.
Does everyone in the world misspell vise? It's with an S, not a C. Please, it's like nails on a chalkboard to me!
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miodzio.!
не понял... тиски снял и губки можно выкинуть?