Why don't more people use Debian Linux?
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Debian is one of the best and most stable Linux distros out there. The question being, why don't more people use Debian Linux as their desktop daily driver?
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Debian's download pages are an IQ test in order to see if you deserve using the distro.
I used the ctrl + F strategy but I think they nerf it by making key words hard to find.
The first time I tried installing Debian, I couldn't find the download button at all. That was the last time I tried installing Debian. Im using Arch now, and still perplexed by debian's unintiative download page
@@zonictrout how did you manage to install arch if you cant download something unless there's a massive green button that says "DOWNLOAD" lmao
@@dsa43fsdfto be fair arch isn’t hard to download, but neither is Debian
I can confirm 1000%. It’s a little bit tedious to find it, but eventually you will. It just takes a little bit longer than other distributions.
Debian is one of the only actively maintained distros that still supports 32-bit procs (that I'm aware of anyway). That alone is reason for some to use it.
I see no reason to run a 32 bit processor today. My cut off with PCs is 64 bit multicore and the ability to boot off USB. That's bare minimum requirements today. Any less than that and I'm not even wasting my time.
@@1pcfred throwing away old systems isn't fun
@@tanujrana8490 I have no problem abandoning obsolete hardware when it is time.
@@tanujrana8490 64 bit processor had been available for about 15+ years. I used my first 64 bit machine in 2010.
@@1pcfred imo if it runs a browser and gets updates, it isnt really obsolete yet. Then again, i might be overestimating the capabilities of such systems because ive never personally used a 32 bit only processor, my first pc build was with an amd fx processor.
My point is that if the system is getting updated, someone somewhere will find a use for it.
I was against using Debian in the past just because of the outdated everything on it, including the kernel, GNOME, all the apps in its repository, etc. Now that Debian 12 is out, I am running it, and it is working great.
also using Debian 12 as my main system, same experience
Wait a while and it will be severely outdated again
@@alexstone691 that's the point of Debian. It literally only updates every 2 years with security updates from time to time. Great thing about it is that it would stay the same for those 2 years as the day you first used it.
@@ominoussage i know, but i often hear people praise debian release as not outdated when they literally just released
Flatpak will make it pretty easy to keep everything you care about up to date in the future. Debian 12 is maybe the first version of Debian that isn't "out of date" the moment it's released.
90% of said above, does not apply for the newly released Debian 12. If you need safe and bleeding edge applications, you can get it from the perfectly supported Flatpak. The non-free drivers are automatically enabled if your hardware requires it. Otherwise, you will end up with 100% open source system. The old and ancient Debian 11 is still newer than the new and not quite mainstream Windows 11. And guess what OS is used on Mars and in space? ;-)
I've said basically the same thing, I get the impression he wrote the script for this video a few months ago and waited a little too long to upload since almost all of his points are incorrect at the time of upload.
It's not fair at all to call Windows 11 "older" than Debian 11. Sure, it released first, but Windows 11 is constantly evolving and adding new features. But when Debian releases, you'll have the same experience for the full time you use it, just getting security and backported bug fixes.
TempleOS?
But not everybody likes Flatpaks
Non-free areny used by default!! Only firmware use loaded
Debian is not for everyone. Generally speaking, that is the beauty of Linux. It gives everyone the option to select what best fits your needs. As an old-timer, I've been using Debian on my laptop for practically most of the years. I've also experimented with Mint & Ubuntu but at the end of the day, Debian is what makes things comfortable and operational for me. It gets my job done and that is what counts to anyone's choice!
yep, same here. I've been using it so long that all its weirdness doesn't bother me. The debian installer gets a lot of guff, but i like that it's still the same as 2004 or whatever. I know how it works and when a new release of my preferred and beloved OS comes out I don't have to learn anything. This is the same reason I still use xfce.
I definitely want to get pure debian experience on a computer and my laptop. But I been using q4os linux for a few years, I am a fan of debian and elementary os linux. Both will always be my favorite, one of these days I'll figure it out haha
Old dude here. I prefer Arch but enjoy kicking the tires of other Linux distributions.
I switched to debian 12 yesterday. Its not bad, a major improvement since the last time I tried it several years ago. I haven't had any issues yet, running my apps like boxes, telegram, brave browser, kdenlive ect. So far so good.
I have tried it and by knowing that a lot of things changed and not good yet, i switched back debian 11
I'm running Debian 12 on two machines. It's rock solid and very polished.
Have you tried installing Steam? I had a bit of a Linux Tech Tips moment so I went back to Mint.
@@wayland7150 well steam runs very fine on debian 11 on my machine which is fairly weak (celeron + hd500). I am currently using the non-free version and i never got any issues on steam.
I thought Debian 11 was better.
I switched from Ubuntu to Debian on my old Macbook Pro. I prefer Debian because it's a less bloated distribution but it was definitely more work getting up and running. Ubuntu was pretty easy, I don't remember having to do too much and I think that's why it's popular. It pretty much runs on anything.
Less bloated? Hard disagree until they add a minimal install option like Ubuntu.
@@that_leaflet I installed the server ISO and then added a desktop.
I always heard that a mac was so much better....
@kevinburke1183 I found it inadequate in all possible ways tbh, for me. Forced at work to use it. I was just joking BTW.
@@that_leaflet What you call bloat dosn't come from the Debian team themself but from the core programs of the DE. For example GNOME has many of its games standardly installed if you install the GNOME Desktop with tasksel.
Sorry for the delay in uploads. Finals have been rough... Almost done.
I've recently gone back to using Linux and decided to give Debian 12 a try. The out of box experience was amazing, very little setup (compared to Windows anyway). Everything is working flawlessly.
No spyware to boot!
I justy switched from ubuntu 22.04 to Debian 12, while I would not recommend it for new Linux users I do highly recommend it for experienced Ubuntu users fed up with Chronicals BS at this time this is an amazing release
What BS? Snaps that you don`t have to use? Making gnome usable in their distro? How evil...
@@Doctor_Glados I don't have a problem with snaps I use snaps & flatpacks on my debian install, I have a problem with being tricked to install a snap when intending to install the apt version, and Ubuntus gnome is no more usable than any other distros gnome, in fact I usually uninstalled the Ubuntu gnome extentions when I used ubuntu.
@@Doctor_Gladosman i hate ubuntu gnome. Much prefered the vanilla one on debian/fedora.
I use Debian after installing with the net installer. I installed all the desktop environments as well as everything else. It's all I use on all my computers including a 2008 HP mini computer. I love it!! It's very fast with all kinds of options to keep me happy!!!
when you set up for a desktop env. (DE), you can remove the others, that are not needed, since they add a lot to the disk space usage.
I think I can use tasksel to remove DE's.
Jesus the Debian site looks terrible - it's night and day compared to the Linux Mint site. It's almost like they don't want people to use it
I don't want my mirror to slow down. Debian's website looks fine to me.
Who is Jesus?
For me, debian's slow and steady release cycle isn't conducive to what I want out of my desktop...
But If I ever run my own server, it's totally using debian.
It’s nice if you have other machines that you don’t use enough to maintain a rolling release on.
I did use that net-installer, because it was so easy to find and use for me. I installed Debian 12 without major problems and it worked. At the moment I attempted to install Virtualbox Guest Additions from the 7.08 ISO, like I always do. I did run into a major show stopper. The installation failed and afterwards it was impossible to boot Debian 12, it just hung. Even in rescue mode it only hung. So my decision has been between giving up or reinstalling, despite being late I chose reinstall.
I had to dig deep in my experience with installing Virtualbox with at least 30 other distros, so to be sure I installed make; gcc; perl and the Linux headers and went back to the the 7.08 ISO. Now it worked, hurray! I never had these type of hanging problems with the other distros nor with Debian 11.6. Other distros did always detect the missing dependencies and cancelled the VBox Guest installation. Debian warned for the missing Linux headers in one line, but left me with an unworkable system.
I had to solve the desktop sizing issue, since I always use an non standard screen size, say 1550x1010, caused by my setup of the Host screen. After a reboot it did not return to that size, so I did select in the display settings say 1440x900 and afterwards re-select 1550x1010, now it rebooted on the right size. Another minor issue was to find my preferred keyboard during the install; the US keyboard with Euro sign. I only solved it after the installation.
Afterwards I was looking for a handy program, that would allow me to start my standard Conky script during login. I keep and run that script in a VBox shared folder so I have to maintain only 1 version instead of 30 versions of that script. I could not find such a "settings" program, so I had to add a desktop file to Home .config/autostart. The remaining issue is, that it does not display the used VBox release in the Conky display, because of the root privileges of the VBoxService command in /sbin :) I have to copy that file to another more useful location or change the group privileges of the file to say "vboxsf". Maybe I also want to add the support for snaps.
This explains why Debian is not used very frequently, for slightly different situations you could need the added experience of a system software developer (1969-2010) and a retired Linux hobbyist (2008-2023) :) :)
As someone who adores the late 90s and early 2000s era of computers, runs a PC with a Pentium D and 2 GB of RAM, AND has an internet connection with the speed of a living room couch competing in a marathon, Debian is BY FAR the best distro for me to use, it fits every checkbox I have.
So of course I've never tried it and use Arch instead
I can relate to using arch on ass internet. Using iPhone tethering with 1 bar of service lol. Why are there so many kernel updates?! They always take forever on my assternet
@@tylerdean980 kernel updates Every. Single. Day. and it's even worse when you have two kernels installed
Maybe you should take the plunge now debian 12 is out. I used to use arch on my college laptop but then quickly realised how terrible that is with ass internet. So I've switched to debian now and don't feel like I'm updating every single package every day
@@marck0060 I do, Zen, and LTS.
Thank you. I am a new user. I use Debian Xfce. I am very happy with it. There are many great videos on RUclips that taught me how to install it. Good day 😊
I switched to Linux full time about a year and a half ago after having not used it full time in over a decade. I had run Ubuntu 2007-2009ish. Honestly, I just did a little resesrch on Debian and figured out the ins-and-outs of installing it and then just dove in. Basically I have had no issues with it. I can't say the same for my time with Ubuntu which had me reinstalling the OS every few months as something would eventually crap out (usually audio). My wife uses PopOS, and while it is a massive improvement over the Ubuntu of yesteryear, it is stull significantly buggier than Debian. Can't recommend Debian enough for those that prioritize long term reliability over a glitzy interface.
Dude your channel rules, really enjoy your outlook on things.
been using Linux since 2007. finally ended up at Debian and haven't looked back. it's the OS the Universe uses. Debian Testing is sweet too. very stable in spite of the name.
While the Debian installer sucks, yeah, the live images include Calamares instead.
I use the text based expert mode in the net install ISO. I've never even seen the GUI. I run net install and select nothing. Then once the OS boots I'll install what I want. I don't even use a Display Manager. I console boot. If I exit my X session I want X to shut down. Without changing run levels or killing it.
Mfs be like: Debian installer sucks
Like, did you already tried downloading arch manually?
Been runnin' Debian Testing on a Zenbook for the last year or so, and have been pretty happy with 12 so far!
I've been using Debian 11 and recently 12, with xfce4 for the past 2 years. I used to use other distros like Centos 7, Fedora or Ubuntu, but Debian really fills my needs. I use it for working and playing games. So far it's fast, light and stable. Really love it!
I use debian unstable on raspberry pi 4 which is my server that's running nextcloud + jellyfin + sonarr + radarr + jackett all in docker, and its performing very well. I am happy that I can access my content from anywhere in the world, it's about experience and comfortability.
I switched to debian 12 with kde today, so far its going nicely.
I'm really surprised to see people find the debian installer confusing or difficult. I was always of the opinion the debian installer was lacking, because you are still limited during installation. But I can see how for non-technical users these additional steps (compared to something like a linux mint installer) can be confusing.
Their partition tool is ass I’d rather use cfdisk
It is shit.
The problem is finding the right ISO. Then once you've installed it still can't find the packages. It's not that difficult to solve these problems but why bother when you can install Linux Mint and have none of this crap.
@@tylerdean980 That's one of the elements I believe to be lacking.
@@wayland7150 There is a use case for everything. But it's also a matter of experience. Installing different distros also allows you to see the advantages and disadvantages of your favorite distro.
The best way to install an operating system in my opinion is with the "arch way". But the biggest downside is it requires a bit more knowledge and experience.
I failed 4 times when trying to install Debian after I had decided to switch from Ubuntu. After the 4th time, I just went with Pop!_OS, which was the smoothest installation ever. Eventually, I managed to install Debian, but damn.
Excellent video. Greetings from Argentina. subscribed
I moved from Ubuntu to Debian 3 years ago because of the constant bugs. After try Debian, I never wanted go back again.
I just switched from Mint to Debian 12, goddamn it's amazing!
I'm actually using Debian on the same Dell in your thumbnail. I use it for writing floppy disks. It also makes it safe to connect to the internet. It also has a Radeon HD4850 and is pretty good at WineD3D, and can play steam games from the mid 2000's without a crack. (Since steam no longer supports windows 7).
TL;DR Compared to Debian, Ubuntu is miles ahead in terms of user friendliness. Debian is not even an option for a new user.
They've actually come a long way recently, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Ubuntu may still be ahead but it is now a pretty narrow gap.
Debian is where old Linux users come to retire. When you're done with all the drama and just want to mellow out.
well debian have up to date wiki unlike ubuntu and it doesn't use snap so it save a lot of frustration from the slowliness of their apps (I hppe it's fixed now)
Most 3rd party repos have copy-paste instructions to install on debian it's the same than cppy-pasting your add-apt-repository command
@@CristobalWatsonHernandez Debian for servers is excellent but as a way of getting an old laptop back in use it's too difficult and not suitable.
Debian 12 is breakpoint on Debian history. I always wonder why they didn’t this move before. Im using it with KDE plasma desktop and run awesome.
Honestly personal preference.
Good luck with finals
I love that when you move your cursor to top-left corner you can move to another window with a mouse click.
After having display issues in Fedora due to having an nvidia card / audio issues, an arch install where updating one day, broke my kernel to where I had to boot from a usb to retrieve my files (broken kernel didn't recognize my hardware), and snaps on Ubuntu nuking my audio configuration each time after installing/removing a snap (seems to be a problem only I have experienced as there is nothing online about this), the stability and predictive nature of Debian is appreciated.
Maybe this is just my experience but Linux distributions a few years ago before the introduction of all of these different "universal package managers", and overall strange decisions of various distributions, I had less issues running Linux on proprietary components, than I do now with much more friendly Linux hardware.
Same experience. I have trouble with driver on fedora/ubuntu. After i switch to debian after i make it work its rock solid after that.
The thing about debian is its so well documented and guide doesnt change often just cos its update cycle.
I’m running Debian 12 right now. There was no problem!
i just run everything. i boot win7, win10, win11, mint with mate, manjaro with something, the new fedora with kde plasma (that default gnome was too childish), and mx with xfce, which towers above all as my favorite. i love the mx tools it comes with.
I just recently installed Debian 12 in order to move away from Windows 10. I thought the installation was fairly easy; especially compared to my attempt to install Redhat roughly 20 years ago. :)
I love how the thumbnail is my computer exactly and is also running debian
On 1:41 - you could have just clicked bottom right - Try Debian live before installing - and get a Live USB image.
Of course the Debian website is notorious for its obfuscation to what should be most obvious (but is not), so the critics is well deserved.
I'll be honest, I forget Debian even exists 15 seconds after I stop thinking about it 👉👈
What is debian again
And that's exactly how an operating system should work!
Yeah, that's the mark of a good OS, I tend to remember a little longer since I get excited about new updates, but in a few days I'll only be reminded by the stock desktop (on the rare occasion that I see it) and the Debian swirl on my menu button.
And this is why I use arch, I can’t imagine living in a world where I am not able to tell everyone I use arch every hour.
Devuan Daedalus (testing) + Plasma 5.27.5 + Steam on my desktop pc and Xfce on my laptop. Devuan Chimaera (stable) in the old hardware (file server). I am overjoyed.
I got started with Debian after seeing Lenny’s Debian installation guide, I was a noob back then
Non-free images are not issues anymore as this is fixed with Bookworm
No offense intended but Debian desktop users are NOT typically gamers, therefore low numbers via Steam. I have been running Debian for years now on both servers and desktops. As to ease of use of install, prior to bookworm, if you installed with the 'non-free' ISO, the graphical install was pretty easy regardless of the video card or NIC. Using the 'official' ISO did cause a problem with some video cards, so sure that was a thing. In truth, however, most Linux users (regardless of the distro) are not newbees to IT and so this was not that much of a hurdle.
Have been using it for years. Playing csgo. Ofc with nonfree software. But superhappy with debian
Linux Torvalds itself gave up on Debian cause he didn't knew how to install, but fortunately Debian 12 fixed many of the issues you talked about. It's far easier to install and use it now.
I never had full blown debian, however I am using q4os linux which is debian based on a yoga Lenovo laptop. But I am a debian based fan and elementary os desktop at heart. I like using set it and forget no issue install
Debian 12 is actually a better choice than Ubuntu in many desktop cases now.
While going down the linux iceberg, one may learn that Ubuntu's shiny things are tiny bloatware-devils and debian's scary UI is a bliss.
just migrated my nextcloud server over to debian from ubuntu, got tired to having to update every few days for features that I would never use.
My primary desktop distro is Debian Unstable KDE (bare metal) or XFCE (VM) installed kinda the Arch way by not selecting a DE at the installation page and only selecting base packages and then changing the sources to Debian Unstable and installing minimal DE and other packages using apt.
I’m a complete normie and know little about Linux, but I chose Debian for my home server because I gained familiarity with raspberry pi - which used a derivative of Debian. When I eventually upgraded to an Intel NUC, I decided on a headless install of Debian again, and find i have much less issues than the ARM version. It runs very lightweight but powerful for Plex hardware transcoding. Been playing around with Docker also. Every time I have any issue with Debian, it’s usually something related to file permissions only.
hate to break it to you, but complete normies don't generally set up home servers!
As a longtime Slackware user, when I first bought this computer I decided I would give a "new" distro a try and I decided on Debian. I found it to be easy to install and it having built-in support for the garbage fire that is UEFI was most handy. After a couple of days of playing with it I decided to go back to Slackware and install the latest version on here, which at the time was 14.2, and I set it up with the dual 32/64 bit libraries so I could run new and old software without pain, installed every package available from the installer and said "ah, I'm home". Getting Slackware to work with UEFI was more troublesome, but once I got it working there was no stopping me. Would I recommend Debian to a newbie? No, but maybe someone who's had a few more years of experience. This was my first install on a UEFI based computer and even though I've had a decent number of years experience with Linux, I struggled with it. On an old 32-bit regular BIOS computer I find installation of any Linux to be a zero effort endeavor, and hate MicroShaft all the more for their participation in this travesty of stealing our ownership over our own devices.
I used Slackware before Ubuntu existed, back in the day the entire community was ok with trying any distro, no one was looking for a distro for newbies if you got involved into Linux it was obvious that you had to learn stuff, and when Ubuntu came out, we all made fun of it, the running joke was Ubuntu means "I can't install debian"
@@laughingvampire7555 we call ubuntu kindergarten-linux (to mock people)
Slack is for Linux users who hate gui's and love the command line. ((: secure as a mofo too. i haven't yet found the guts to attempt slackware. genntoo either
Thank you. I was doing this last week and although I did find the correct version I wanted... it was really really painful.
It only scares lazy people. Take a minute to read and you’ll get there!
I just installed deb12 and my wireless wifi usb won’t work, desktop is laggy as hell. Not sure how to fix it other than go and buy an Ethernet cable, move my whole pc and attempt to fix it
I run mx linux as my daily driver. Its based on debian 12 so its super stable and easy to install.
Debian 12 is much improved. Plus with flatpak you can load the latest apps. Debian 12 is the Best Release of Debian
I'm 42 & I've been using Linux since 1999, there is no such thing as a Linux that is bad/good for newbies, the first time I installed Linux it was RedHat 6, I was 100% new to Linux and all I needed to install it was standard toleration to frustration of the time, I knew nothing, I didn't even knew about "ls" or any other unix command, what I did was spent 30 minutes reading the manual, yes back in the day the whole Linux community, not just arch users was rtfm, and no one was offended because of that, in fact that is pretty much what every nerd did back then, search for the manual to avoid social interaction, read it and try it ourselves.
Today, zoomers and younger millennials are just intolerant to frustration, you guys want everything under your tiktok's attention span.
and to install redhat back then, there was no calamares installer, no isos, all you needed was to download all the rpms from ftp server then make a bootable floppy disk and when the bootable floppy took like 2 minutes to boot and then you have to prepare the partitions by hand using fdisk, then run some ncurses installer and type the path in the windows FAT32 partition to the rpm packages and then answer a lot of other questions.
Installing Linux has always been "hard" that is why people organized installfests but all you ever have needed is patient and rtfm, the manual tells you the happy path and some troubleshooting basic stuff of what you have to expect and how to solve it. So arch users aren't toxic, they are just your best friends and I don't use arch I just find this "arch users are toxic" toxic in itself.
Yes, I'm impatient. That's because I have shit to do. If I wanted to hinder myself, I would be using Windows. Thus Debian, and occasionally Fedora. I have to actively try to break it.
ok boomer
I'm writing this commend on Debian 12. Hoping this distro is more stable than the others. Giving linux another try. My Pop became so unstable I had to ditch. Even MX Linux locked up within 2 hours of installing it. This is only my first few hours. Keeping my fingers crossed.
using deb12 on my lenovo ideapad3 (amd ryzen radeon), but do not use steam, might it be serious users are not counted ?
I use Linux Mint Debian as Developer, in my OPI5 I use Armbian for demo server, and for my Raspberry PIos... Or Android depending on the occasion
Funny I find this now. I've been running Debian in a server environment since 2009, used Ubuntu off and on since they still shipped installation CDs and stickers and just started daily driving Debian about a week ago. I think I read somewhere once that Ubuntu was based on Debian and I think that's when I made the switch to it for servers. Debian 12 + Cinnamon = bliss. As a side effect of Ubuntu being based on Debian, most of the threads that inevitably point towards Ubuntu setups work on Debian. Nice middle ground.
I used to use KDE Neon but now I use Debian with KDE Plasma
Also I like the netinstall because my external HDD has bad sectors which affect live installs
I'd love to try Debian 12 KDE, *BUT* they use the wrong version of SDDM. Only the latest git version of SDDM works for people like me: Wayland + KDE + 2Monitors_w/different_refresh_rates + 12Gen i5 w/APU. If the machine sleeps and screen locks, it won't wake back up. KaOS and Kubuntu 23.04 work out of the box. If I use Arch and use Garuda's Chaotic AUR, I can use a later version of sddm which also works.
Debian 12 still isn't for everyone (no Linux distribution is) but I think it will appeal to more users than Debian 11, especially those who are looking for alternatives to Windows 11 and Ubuntu (and its derivatives). I switched from Linux Mint to Linux Mint (Debian Edition) about 12 months ago and now I'll likely switch to Debian 12 with the Cinnamon desktop and flatpacks for the major apps (and backports for the bitty stuff)
Debian's been pretty good since Sarge for a desktop install.
Anyone to teach me how to set proxy network. I use vpn and when I hotspot i can't access internet unless i set proxy on windows it's simple but
On any Linux i can't figure it out tried searching web no luck any help
Personally I have Debian 12 dual booted with a Arch Linux they are both great at their respective tasks. (Stability vs Bleeding edge.)
I think debian is the best distro for desktops and servers, but on my laptops I'm running mint and ubuntu.
I love it and have been using it for years. But I have to admit, it does give me more issues than Fedora, for example. For some reason it sometimes doesn’t boot, Flatpak Chromium simply didn’t work, … nothing I can’t fix, but it takes a while to get it to the state I want. But I still love it.
let us agree to disagree:
1- debian in the default version is probably not to the newcomers to the Linux - let them start with the forks i.e. Ubuntu
2- it is almost not possible to make everybody happy at once:
- people who want server will go for debian installation choosing what is needed only
- people who want desktop and they are not new to this business, will ... go for debian installation choosing what is needed only
3- majority of "polished" forks of Debian don't give you much of choice and then you end up with ... Libre Office again - why? just why?
4- I have few installations of Debian that I set them around 8-10 years ago - don't touch - let it work ;-)
Please help. Mate distribution. When I turn it off, it restarts
The #1 thing I always remembered about Debian was that you have to babysit its installer. It doesn't just ask you everything up front. I still have no idea how I managed to install this distro on my old pc when I was a kid
Back to the day I used over 100 floppy disks to install Linux, needless to say I had to babysit it by swapping floppy disk over 100 times.
@@chenyansong and I thought I had it bad with a CD 😅
Yeah Debian ain't the distro for a first time Linux user but that's okay. I love Debian but I do wish they would improve the installer for things like btrfs sub volume creation without having to switch to another tty and do it manually. I also wish they would copy a few of the quality of life things from other distros like enabling Wayland for Firefox by default when running on Wayland 🤦🏻
Tbh Debians installer isn't beginner friendly. But in almost all cases except country and language the defaults are fine. So it's just an enter spam.
Also there are good videos about installing Debian using the text mode expert installer. Which is not to hard to use if you follow the tutorial explaining the options presented.
Personally I quite like it. It gives me access to every setting I like to change during the installation. Instead of other installers that require me to do a lot of work post install or making some configurations outright impossible.
Linux Mint based on Debian is easy to install. I also like its speed.
been on Debian 12 for six months or so, kinda getting itchy feet, but it's a great distro and I'm not sure yet if I will move on or not. I'm heavily considering endeavourOS so I can get access to the aur, and hyprland, but I really like how very stable debian is...
Every time I used middle mouse click in Firefox it would freeze on my fresh Debian installation. Having tried many Distros its the small stuff that I feel should just work that prevent me from using Linux as a daily driver.
I love debian but my only beef with it are issues with Broadcom cards support. All other distros (arch and debian based, which is quite humorous) seem to have it but it's a pain in the ass to get it working on Debian and just not worth it in the end because if you pick any other distro it will work right out of the box. Other than that - it's a great distro and I love it for its simplicity, stability and not bothering me with updates at all, unfortunately it's not the best for gaming which is a shame.
Since Lenny I install and use Debian every new release for at least a few weeks, the part where I have to login as root to add myself to sudoers gets me every time. I just use the net install, keeps bloat down.
Iam oldschool. I mostly use windows, but when i need a linux machine i allways go with debian. Works great, no bloat.
this is the reason why Ubuntu was my first distro even though i don't use it anymore
The "Debian is difficult to install" meme makes me laugh. But that's because I once had a job installing Windows NT (pre Win 2000) . Debian was a breeze by comparison. "What? You mean I am able to go back and fix a mistake during an install?"
I do agree the official Debian web pages were designed by some sort of sadist.
When will you review it?
My first distribution when switching to linux was Debian 12. I don't regret anything because I taught myself linux in a bit harder way allthewhile not breaking my system very often due to its stability. I messed a lot of things up and spent a lot of time fixing them and it gave me the confidence to switch to a distro better suiting my needs knowing I'll do just fine.
I remember trying to start a Debian server since I was always using an Ubuntu server. Man, it was confusing! I even had to install the sudo command! I'm still confused! What's up with having to install something as basic as "sudo"?
As I saw a guy saying once:
Debian is like preparing your own food.
Ubuntu is like going out to dinner.
I wonder what would be the Analogy for Distros such as Arch or Gentoo
@@ViroRads Simple, growing your own grains and raising your own animals.
Gentoo is like carving the spear end to go hunting
Yeah you never know what they're doing to your food in the kitchen either. Dipping the boys in the special sauce.
@@TechHut it's like carving a spear with stone knife, because compilation times are very long.
I'm always in dependency hell on debian while trying to do bleeding edge things.
I have installed Debian Testing in one SSD and it has so far worked perfectly.
I am only using it in order to see if it is working so maybe if a used it more often I would discover some disadvantages.
Debian Testing works as a rolling release.
I am using Manjaro as my daily working distribution and will continue with that as long as it is working good.
One large advantage with multi boot is that you can test another OS/distribution before you decide if you will change to it.
No problem with Debian 12. I'm actually quite fond of it. Relatively new to Linux but first installation success, and it's running the Windows programs I'm interested in. Wondering if there's any reason to try LMDE, but also wondering why I should leave what's working.
LMDE is basically Debian with the direct sources of the Linux Mint packages and the Cinnamon DE. Also you can use the Linux kernel as a VM Hypervisor (with QEMU/KVM).
@@gelbphoenix , thank you.
Linux Mint's Debian is great and easy to use, LMDE 5. Since Flatpak, Debian has been made more useful for desktop, I had to stay away because there were PPA's I needed, but PPA's are not allowed with Debian, in rolls Flatpak, problem solved.
Debian is a Linux distro as pure as it can be, which means it worth as much to the average user as Arch Linux, except Arch is much more up-to-date than Debian.
That's why less and less people are using Debian, because the only reason to use Debian or something based on it is because it won't break that easily, which means it's the best for people who don't know anything about their computer and certainly wouldn't know how to solve a potential problem or wouldn't want to (aside from the other special cases like servers), those same people who need all kinds of pre-installed things on their computer, which Debian doesn't provide.
So if you're not bothered by the fact your OS will always be at least 2 years outdated, then it's better to use a debian-based distro rather than debian itself.
I use LMDE 5 in my 10 year old laptop thinkpad 32 bit for 4 months
Debian is superior distro, because it doesn't make you costless beta-tester, like rolling releases do. Take a note, Arch "I use Arch btw" users.
7:45 I disagree with that statement. You listed desktop environments and said there are distributions for any of them. Which is true. But Debian gives you the option to install any or all of them in 1 distribution in the installer. Which is in my opinion way better then having to switch distributions to use a different environment. (I know you can install different DEs afterwards but especially beginners will not know that and the process is way more difficult than to simply tick a checkmark in an installer.
if u think its rough now, man try using debian in 2000 lol it was way worst and the first time using in 2000 and using linux in general was a rough way for me learning it. Thank god we had knoppix a distro based on Debian actually was a bit more user friendly well um sort of ... um for year 2000 it was better.... until ubuntu came about i took a lot of interest in linux actually u will have hardcore linux user calling ubuntu a noob OS which i always say its a great OS to learn linux and it is also great for long time / advanced linux users fast forward today i still use ubuntu after 20 years and I love it still .... i have played around with every single distro out there was a big fan of arch linux still em, but yes i'm a ubuntu guy.
If you think that installation is freighting you want to look at the mind boggling options in Fedora 38
Debian was the first operating system which could be installed per USB storage device.
The download page with the net-install is new. Last time i still had to click through those pre 2000 pure html pages.