The future is Polyrhythmic | Edward Chilvers | TEDxReading
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This talk presents a case for why structural polyrhythm is the inevitable future direction of music. Starting with a model of the
nature of musical perception, and moving through a historical account of how musical appreciation has developed and evolved, Edward explains and demonstrates his musical techniques that advance music forward into the next stage of evolution.
Edward is a Young Steinway Artist for whom music has been the center of his existence from the age of 4. Whilst his musical
journey has taken him through nearly every genre and many instruments, the last half decade has seen him immersed in a new way of playing the piano, which evolved from his insights into musical theory and the nature of music. He has relentlessly drilled new techniques that were necessary to make playing these works possible, and he has now produced Etudes which demonstrate the beginnings of this work.
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When I learned a polyrhythmic song on the piano for the first time I felt like I was stretching some unknown mental muscle. I guess my attention was expanding to encompass multiple time worlds simultaneously... COOL.
Hearing him play these polyrhythmic tunes tickles my brain. A really nice feeling.
phwoarrrrr Eddie, such magical nymphs-in-forests/creatures-playing-in-the-deep-sea thing going on as the polyrhythms pass through your fingers...
Polyrhythms are difficult to play, he turned them into a beautiful and easy to understand musical example. I love this and can't wait to apply this lesson in my own productions.
That is 100 times harder than it looks. I look forward to the future.
Polyrhythms are outrageously underused
The future is Polyrhythmic. Thank you.
This is without doubt the craziest (best) polyrhythmic piano music I've ever heard. Bravo.
What an amazing video! An amazing man trying to give his audience a peep into another world, another dimension if you will. It has always amazed me that once the ear opens up to the world of polyrhythms,How different everything is perceived. AWSOME VIDEO!!!
You are a genius Eddie, the depth of technical understanding and ability you display is an inspiration. Thank you for making some beauty for us all to enjoy.
As a drummer watching this, that polyphasing stuff is no damn joke! Just playing septuplets (speed of seven) and accenting every fifth note is twisting my melon at the moment! Exceptional stuff!
"polyphasing" - so that's the word for it.
Meshuggah writes with a lot of polyphasing and I've never known the word for it.
Thanks!
The indians have been doing this for hundreds of years - part of their rhythmic concept
@@StringsOfAndersen and Africans of course.
Eddie is big time into Meshuggah
hopefully we will get it some day, in other parts of the world they have been doing this already for a few thousand years......
Most of the musicians I ever talk to have given me funny looks when I bring up polyrhythms. First time I've heard the label 'polyphasing' I thought they were called geo rhythms. I very much doubt the audience would have caught on to that part. You should have explained it in the same way paradiddles are explained. I'll try to explain here:
What he is doing is this, though it won't make sense unless you already play music:
Imagine playing triplets over eighths. With your right hand do triplets, and with your left play eighth notes. If you don't know how to do that look it up.
Now when you're playing triplets with your right hand bounce it across two notes. So, if it were on the piano, it would be like this CGC, GCG, CGC, GCG. That's what he means by phasing. On its own it would just look like this: CGCGCGCGC. But you're dividing it in to chunks of three.
Now your left hand is playing eighth notes. So pick three notes. Say, E, G, B.
So you just play them over and over. EGBEGBEGBEGB.
But you're playing eighth notes, so it gets divided up like this EG BE GB EG BE GB.
Okay. Now put them together and you get a fancy pattern. Explaining it makes it sound complicated. When in reality both hands are doing the same thing over and over again.
C G C G C G C G C G C G C G C G C G
E G B E G B E G B E G B
But really all is happening is this:
CGCGCGCGCGCGCGCGCGCGCGCGC
EGBEGBEGBEGBEGBEGBEGBEGBEGB
Its just a consequence of playing the patterns at different speeds!
Now he's also using, quintuplets and things, as well as moving across various chords, with arpeggios to boot. Pretty impressive technical ability.
I'm very interested in the comparison between waveform ratios and polyrhythms! Well done!
TheGreenMage amazing👍😐
This is a big misrepresentation of polyrhythm. He is not just playing triplets in one hand and eighths in the other. He is playing 3 notes in the left hand while fitting 8 notes in his right hand at the same duration. In other words, the 3 notes (left) and the 8 notes (right) take the same amount of time. (That is what he showed by the wave charts at the end, which showed that the 3 notes and the 5 notes take the same amount of time, etc.)
the most insightful ted talk ive seen about music
This guy used to be my piano teacher. It's been a while.
Did he wear the hat?
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Thank you Edward Chilvers. This is an illuminating presentation. With many comments coming one year ago, I presume that a close circle of friends were lucky to see this truly worthy analysis in regards to perception of multiple time worlds . . . multiple dimensions if you like. Cheers
Exactly my perception of music. Nice to see the idea is growing in sync amungst us :-)
Edward Chilvers you are a magical mystery Fugue. Delightful
The furthest I have taken polyrhythm is up to 13, figuring that was far enough. With sufficient practice, polyrhythms can be played with ease. I have been working on this for over thirty years now.
so beautiful! captivating music
Just the first 2 lines coming together after he explained it was enough to convince me. I was in band and chorus through High School so I know enough about music to notice the complexity.
If you want to hear FUNK meets Steve Reich polyrhythms, check out Nik Bartsch’s Ronin. Danceable polyrhythms, now THAT is the future. Search Modul 45.
30 seconds in and he’s already friggin amazing
Mind-blowingly beautiful and staggeringly impressive.
pass the god damn butter
Nick Olli
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Big Bang theory ? 😊
Rick and morty ?
what he plays is only close to the feeling of polyrhythm, but in fact just a hodgepodge. real 3 over 2 and 7 over 5 have a very characteristic pulsation that is only noticeable at high fidelity.
What an awesome concept! Tho I'd say that the evolution is rather cultural, than biological. Is not that we don't have the capacity of understanding such complexity, we just hadn't been taught to.
@Seba Leonetti even Mozart said people 100 years from now will be able to hear sounds that we are not capable of yet.
Wow Eddy, very well done. Thanks.
I agree. The simple ones sound awesome, but the more complex ones sound awesome in the biblical sense. Like is a cherubim about to show up in front of me like a video game boss and fight me to the beat of music I cannot comprehend?
Brilliant and beautiful.
A must watch for any prog rocker
Hm. I wonder how expensive it was for him to have his brain removed and replaced with a FRIGGIN SUPERCOMPUTER.
Amazing knowledge!
How about various polyrhythms combined with polyspacing ? Giving the brain snippets of time to sync with timelessness..... nice talk. Might take BBC radio 1+2 some time to catch up though.....
love it!!
genius.
Hey Ed this sounds vaguely similar to "binaural beats", whether it is or it isn't it's much harder to play dual rhythms that are syncopated differently, so I take my hat off to you. . .. I'm currently doing a lot of research into wave theory and the ripple effect and I believe that portal that is created as you play allowing you to quantum leap, or burst through into higher dimensions occurs at nodal points when one rhythmic pattern crosses another...... this theory is at the heart of free energy theory, and infact pre ancient technology, which seems to baffle the scientists so..... Thus far I have only considered different frequency oscillations in terms of pitch but to include the actually time keeping rhythm as well!!......Very much look forward to running into you again.
Delroy Murray Free energy theory is not a thing. Just enjoy the beutiful music without involving conspiracy myths
thank you Eddy love you
Beautiful music
Reading's cool readings' ghoul says,
"Polyrhythmia... 'Sum Music' in the Ed".
'*Know*-Well' played,
"Icy, what Ew did there, Chill-verse".
I would just like to say, that although I'm happy with most of what I've said here, the examples were badly selected and badly played, and don't do the concepts justice. There will be plenty of better examples available on youtube very soon.
Polyrhythm is very common in African and Indian music.
This is almost certainly 2 guys inside one shirt, each sticking an arm out. Kind of like when kids stand on top of each other in a trenchcoat to buy cigarettes but horizontally.
speechless
Anyone transcribe those awesome piano?
This bent my brain skew. Wow...
Actually the future of music that 95% of people buy or listens to is 4/4 just as it always has been :)
But the future, where progress is made is largely.
But it sounds like he's not applying it enough to actual composition. I appreciate the new idea, and the technicality behind it, but his playing seems more like sound effects rather than applied thorough-composition. It's like Phillip Glass; leaves me wanting much more. I remember excitedly getting a CD of Debussy's preludes, thinking they would be gems like Chopin's or Bach's. But when i played it, it was just bizzarre, freakish sound-effects. But at least with those there is a some semblance of structure. I don't see the structure here with this guy (yet).
He’s giving a talk, buy the album. 12 etudes. It’s brilliant
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All very well. But it won't get you a gig. (Not that that's a reason not to do it!) IMHO better to use it in a musical tradition more 'geared up' for this kind of thing, for example Indian classical music. Wanna go nuts on polyrhythms that are past, present AND future? Study tabla!
The dark circles under this coked up magicians eyes concerns me 😟
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First off. This guy is sniffing a lot. :)
Sounds like pretty practice. Not music, just a guy who was brainwashed to play classical. Dare him to improvise. Jazz people have been doing this for years.
Jazz is pretty much pretty practice
@@tj3482 Is it? I don't think it is.
I would say that if you wanted to hear someone who could actually improvise stuff that might be comparable to a planned piece that used these techniques, listen to Brad Mehldau. Who is himself something of a spiritual successor to Bill Evans.
@@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet I like Brad. Bill Evans is a fave
This was so sloppy
I could do this in an hour's training... ok a day... i'll get the right hand grounded in a week
When you do, please post a video for comparison.
..have you released by far some albums as he did (like '31 pieces', to mention only one))???
Lol no
That's just a noise.