It's okay to lose Dota games
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Many of us put a lot of pressure on ourselves about our MMR, but I want everyone to remember that losing is part of the process. It's normal to stagnate a bit. It's normal to have losing streaks. It's normal to drop some MMR for awhile.
Everyone goes through losses, but if you can keep up a positive spirit, it'll make the climb back up much easier and more enjoyable!
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the thing is when you lose you feel devastated but when you win you aren't happy you just feel relieved
kinda like narcissist abuse or stockholm syndrome
I haven't won a Dota game in over a year. I may try again now. Great video!
One of my teammates told me he wishes that "I die in real life" because I wasn't the support he wished for... Wow. Such a toxic and depressing game!
Matchmaking is another discussion about unfairness.
I just want algorithm to put these helpful videos in people's feeds
It's nice of you to make videos to help our mentality. It's definitely something that holds a lot of us back :D
“There are no accidents.”
-Master OoGway
thanks master oogway -yoshi
Hey when you're 10 MMR, you got nowhere to go but up lmao
Instablaster...
uh brother ur sucks in new only about 150 - 200 games and my win rate is 37% and im 10 mmr im this close to quitting
I agree with the nowhere to go part
Blessed RUclips recommendations though I already stopped playing Dota almost a year ago.
I come back to this video often for a mood booster and a reminder that it's okay to lose :')
Totally agree bro.. went from just calibrated as arch3 late December then 20 straight losses.. 20.. fell to C2.. fortunately now back up to C5 after your vids.. great content as usual...
I totally agree man, I personally went from Crusader II to Archon I in about 2 months and it felt great after watching certain videos I was like "Yeah, I have understood the game and it's just a matter of consistency and doing the right thing" and here I am in a losing streak close to getting to Crusader V. The saddest part is that you feel you have learned a lot but there is still a huge of amount of mistakes, but this video teaches you that everybody has a lot to learn and it is just one step at a time, but most importantly, enjoy the ride, otherwise, it's not worth it.
Hmmmm, its kinda weird base on your post. This lose you have is after update right? I climb 3 weeks from archon 1 to 4 and now im back at archon 1 and might drop to crusader 5.
And lately i've noticed same other players having the same problem like really dropping hard.
i went from 4200 to 3400 in a week and then straight back up the next week
You're not the only one. Just after winning some games with Rampage... I get raped and I feed. I t fucking sucks. Don't get me to tell you about matchmaking.
Yea, very normal. I was 4200, now I am 2600. I learned that I suck at this game. Thanks.
I agree with everything you say, but I honestly believe that Dota has some hidden matchmaking mechanic that causes these losing streaks.
After years without playing, I came back recently. I watched a lot of your videos, some of BSJ's, played some Unranked games, and got ready for Ranked. In the first 3 months, I initially lost 100 MMR but then started winning and quickly gained 300 MMR. My win rate was around 58%. I was feeling challenged, improving, communication was great, teams were balanced in terms of skills. Matches were mostly awesome, even lost ones (or should I say specially?).
Just to illustrate, I had a 66% win rate with CM in that period. With Ogre, I had 55%. With Jakiro 44%. My behavior score was above 10k.
Then, in the period of two weeks, I simply lost 80% of the games I've played, going down 800 MMR. Really, I won 2 out of 20 games in the last of the two weeks. It didn't matter how well I played, how much focus I had, how calm and encouraging I tried to be, not even how badly the other teams made mistakes. My teams were always speaking other languages, flaming, rage quitting. I had games where my carry was out leveling the off-lane by 3 levels and he still ended 1/12. I even lost games with more than 15k gold lead simply because my cores didn't save for buyback and dove fountain with tier 3s still up.
In that losing streak, I had an 18% win rate with CM. With Ogre, it was now 22%. With Jakiro 31%. My behavior score was still 10k, but with way less commends and a lot of reports by me. I felt like Dota was the most toxic game ever created and uninstalled it twice.
Until suddenly I started winning again. Nothing changed, heroes are the same, playstyle the same, heck I'm even playing my lanes worst than before. But my teams speak my language again, players don't blame each other but rather help, people don't spend 30 min in the jungle with Lycan anymore, my mid doesn't feed after dying on a gank.
Now I'm sitting at 11 wins in a row, 13 of the last 14 games won. How?
Maybe! I really don't have any proof one way or the other. I personally think there's just a lot of random chance, but in my mind, it doesn't fully matter anyways.
Even if they officially told us there's a system like that in place, that would just mean that in order to climb MMR, you have to be good enough to win average games as well as games set against you. And that just means you need to improve a lot to climb. So in the end, it's all the same to me, I just have to keep improving in order to climb.
For a game to be set against you though, that means the other team has a game meant for them to easily win. So in theory, if there's a system to prevent you from climbing, the same system should prevent people from falling. I've definitely never felt like a system existed to prevent me from falling though hahaha
@@ZQuixotix I wouldn’t put it as the game being set against us. Not deliberately anyways. What I believe is happening is that Valve has some sort of algorithm for balancing matchmaking by putting over performing players in teams with low performing ones.
For computational reasons, they may be calculating player “performance” on a weekly basis, which is causing these huge swings in match making quality.
For us supports out there, team quality makes a huge difference on our ability to win, since we can’t usually carry the games on our own.
@@grandchampion7275 that’s interesting. I didn’t know about this +90 MMR thing.
@@viniciusfragosopinheiro4850 Since using dota plus, I observed that I am matched with low winrate teammates when my winrate is low as well (and vise versa). In theory that would mean my team is stronger then the enemie's ... BUT! low winrate means a ton lot more tilting, afk-ing and feeding (the later happens to me too), which makes winning those games even harder and thus, loosing streakes manifest themselves. Often only a mid smurf-like player in my team can save me from this cycle ;-). But tbh here, I hate those mid stomp games, winning or loosing alike. They are boring as hell and a waste of free time.
In the end I think it's my fault for playing round after round until I actually win a game XD.
The thing about Dota matchmaking is more winstreaks you get the more bad teammates you get and enemy playing good but there is always a noob on both teams. So you have to dplay your best and improve to not waste your lose streak that fast. You will get matched against dendi after a long win streak SO always take breaks whenever you play 3 games
I watch you for your positive attitude :) keep it up!
I went from 5070 MMR to 4830. But this helped :')
Spirit Breaker spammer here I have a good way to get around the underlord pit of malice in team fights. I charge towards the fight right before the pit I stop my charging and use Nether strike to jump on someone behind the pit. It worked really well. Also rush a bkb because its such a horrible match up to deal with. Thanks for the great videos.
Thanks man, i needed this
Ngl, this is a giga chad video king. May your trades be profitable. (I’m currently 5-6 on Lina, but whether its + or - 50% my goal now is to get a sample size of 100 games. This carried me through being 3-6). Great vid!
More great videos from Z! Best Dota content creator!
i dont play dota but i need this as a pep talk for my pageant. thank u
Is it weird that if i am on a losing streak, I just think that i will keep playing until i win 1 game. I do lose a lot but still win one. I always used to think of it as a challenge for myself. Maybe time to change strategy.
I'm at 30W -20L in my last 50 games now and I dread the day when Gaben decides I've had enough fun and kicks me into the ground.
Not if you kick him first
@@ZQuixotix Yeah, nah he got the upper hand. Lossstreak it is.
Thank you for this.
but can you say it if youve grinded legend then went down all the way to herald?
Being in losing streak
it's my normal :)
My condolences
let see how many mmr has been lost on that lose streak
and how mental stable has been lost
and i has learn i was play better
but my team is trash they feed non stop
your my favorite dota channel . not this if u wanna be absolutely broken one haahhaha
Thank you
I needed this.
Thx for these videos, haven’t played since 2015 so back to learning. I was wondering, can Windranger still be a viable support? In role assist I don’t see her in the supports but when I played back in 2015 she was one of my fav supports.
As a pos 4 I'd say she's still viable. Personally I don't like pos 5 Windranger, but you could make it work if you really wanted to. She got some nerfs recently which is probably why you aren't seeing her as much, but I think she's still viable enough
@@ZQuixotix oh ok, I was thinking pos 4 would be fine, what would be a build a good build for her to start with if you don’t mind me asking. Thx for the video on Jakiro, definitely fixed some mistakes I was making.
I'd check out dota2protracker for some builds based on pros! Until this recent patch, there were two styles of WR support. One that rushed MKB into BKB, and then one that went Meteor Hammer into Blink Dagger
@@ZQuixotix ok thx a lot I’ll go check that out
Why have i dropped from crusader to herald? Im 10k behaviour score but i just keep losing regardless if im owning or playing average. It cant be im that trash at the game otherwise i wod stay herald. But im going up and down over n over. Am i missing something???
Watching while i have 10+ lose game
Me from 6k to 4,8k feels bad man I decided to play every role and my main is carry to grind I lost by my stupid decision making of my team mates always
Im just gonna recalibrate cause im done.
it worth nothing, cos next time 99% u gonna make same mistake. Or it will be slightly different mistake.
But advice about: "regain mmr mentality is not working" is true.
Yeah this day i lose every game huhu
Thanks for mental damages
im sure 20 lose streak isnt normal, but thats just me tho
I went from 5610 to 5200.. haha but its fine, you win some, lose some
I played 7 years cant reach 4k 1 time ( max 3970 )
Went from 930 mmr to 600 mmr
But you go from immortal 900 to 1300. I go from divine 5 to ancient 3
it does'nt matter if you have a good mentality or not, if you get queued with shitty teammates you will definitely loss even if you are a good player
I have a 7 Loss streek rn with PA, and I have a very hard time spotting anything I could personally have rly improved on. Maybe backpushing instead of trying to win certain teamfights?
Might add that every single game I have pretty damn good performance, decent farm, 10+ k, 0-4 deaths, couple assists.
Pretty much the best I could do in the situation, I can't rly help when I get people that DC or troll unfortunately... I wish I could win despite that, like I was able to in League
You're awesome
down from 5500 to 3700. as a support i really do win EVERY single lane. my carry have 4,2k+ nw min 10. still cant do a shit. i dk.
Bro lost measely 9 games lol. How about 40?
You speak so easy at 6000+ mmr.... you don't have any clue how hard to win at 1000k mmr if 10/5 game my safelaner and pos 5 is start to shittalk and 1 of them exit the game.... I have a 15 lose streak.... 15/5 someone exit, 15/8 typing afk teammates who sitting at base and and be toxic, and 15/2 enemy team was simply better. I love when every "cool" 5000-6000-7000 mmr players saying "ooh lose its okay, shit happens" its bullshit mate. Game experience totally different with a cooperate team. Even if you lose, you won't get angry, because everyone did his best, and played the game, not type toxic shit at chat. So yeah, this is bullshit... The perspective is totally different on high levels, you can not imagine how pathetic a low mmr match is...
I was at 1200, now I am at 780.... last month I was on 1180 than 830, its always the same. Everything is fine, I win, I lose, I win, I lose, I win twice, I lose, and I slowly get back my mmr, but if I reach the 1200, something is happening, and I constantly get toxic teammates. 10-15 lose streak or even more 21 was my record, its always the same shit. "hidden pool" "secret matchmaking mechanic" You can call it whatever what you want but its exist. Its not fucking random. Maybe I am not pro, but it does not matter what the fuck am I do in the game, toxic shittalk starts in lobby and destroy the game, there is no hope in this stupid game. I can't even report the fuckers because "I out of ther reports"... Dota 2 is dead, slowly but surely but its dead.
I wish I can show my records, its always the same, every fucking time when I reach that fucking 1200 mmr, my game is destroyed by toxic idiots... and after a huge lose streak everything gets normal, I got normal teammates, helpful teammates, cooperative teammates, its kind a new game... than agan the cycle continous... And I must see 40 min of toxic cry everyday for a fucking week in every cycle, in a month.
I know you call this text a cry, but its fucking reality, that is the reason why this game is dying...
Damn. 10 out of every 5 games? You play two games every game!!!
Hey future me, I hope we reached master when you see this ^^
We have reached grandmaster :)
Not normal. Content creators lie that losing is normal. Nobody is to blame but yourself. Thats a can of bull.
My goal at this point is to not suck at an unranked game. The fact that you, not-so-recently before publishing this video, lost an unranked game is not encouraging :)
my boyfriend was very sad before watching this video, thank u so much
/o/ 🌻 for u
Thank you, it's awesome hearing I was able to make someone feel a little bit better! Best wishes to your boyfriend!
i disaagree matchmaking cant work right no matter skill or some else just thay cant make some good dota 2 is shit
"It's normal to stagnate a bit"
"It's normal to have losing streaks. It's normal to drop some MMR for awhile."
Yeah, it's normal to choose carry role, search a game for 20 minutes and then break ur items on minute 10, buy shadow amulet and flame your offlane/mid player...
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You can't learn anything from the game where your one or two teammates just break their items in early game and stay afk.
Randos throwing games is an average +10% winrate advantage for you, because you don't throw games. If you're still losing MMR, you have bigger problems than Randos throwing.
How is matchmaking in this game so imbalanced
You might be ok cause you know the game was fair. But when your team is obviously heralds and the other team is good. Then the matchmaking is rigged with hidden loss queues and corruption and racism.