No one wrote you back, but a standard PAP of 5" over 1/2" up will be a safe PAP to base layouts on that will keep the bow-ties from reverse flaring and risk clipping the finger and thumb holes. Being new and not having a consistent release or PAP will require a starting point and this is where most PSO's start.
Help me understand something. The whole point of finding the positive axis point, is to figure out where to drill the finger holes in the ball. But in order to find the positive axis point, you need to roll the ball. In order to roll the ball, it has to have finger holes in it. I'm guessing the solution is that you throw another ball. But that other ball has been drilled for another person, and the way they roll the ball. So that ball is not going to roll the same for you as it does for them which will result in the flare lines being different than they would be for you using a ball that was drilled specifically for you. How do you find a positive axis point if you can't get accurate flare lines unless you use a ball that is already right for the way you hold and release the ball? Also, the flare lines are going to be different depending on the ball that you throw, each ball is going to hook differently, so the flare lines you get on one ball are going to be different than they would be on another ball. The flare lines that you're using as a reference are completely dependent on the layout, pin position, and cover stock of the individual ball that you are throwing as a test. Am I wrong here? I'm under the impression that if you threw 10 distinctly different balls, you would come up with 10 distinctly different sets of flare lines which would inevitably result in 10 different suggestions about where your finger holes should be drilled.
The amount of flare will differ from ball to ball and layout to layout but where those flare lines are will be consistent because they are determined by your release. You could throw a house ball down the lane and as long as there is enough oil on the lane for your flare lines to show you could take your PAP from that. In addition a "safe" generic PAP that can be used for someone who has never had a ball drilled for them or doesn't know their PAP is "Over 5 inches and Up 3/8 of an inch." You can use that PAP location to then find your PAP for another ball or even to plug and re-drill if you really wanted
This also confuses me. I have seen guys who throw the same ball yet have slightly different flare lines from throw to throw, and I am talking about experienced bowlers. I specifically saw a pro bowler do a video on showing how to find your PAP and, in the example, on two different throws, he had differences in the flare lines. He even acknowledged the differences. I have experienced this myself, and I am not new to bowling by any means.
Your roll is your roll.... Regardless of how it's drilled, your roll will create the track at the same relative place as it always will for YOU. You can use an existing ball of your own or use a test ball.
@@lonestarpatriot876well you can manipulate your hand at the release point for more or less axis tilt. On sport patterns, it can definitely come in handy to trick the ball.
How to find PAP if I don't already have a ball to measure the oil lines? Getting my first ball drilled next week. What should I do?
No one wrote you back, but a standard PAP of 5" over 1/2" up will be a safe PAP to base layouts on that will keep the bow-ties from reverse flaring and risk clipping the finger and thumb holes. Being new and not having a consistent release or PAP will require a starting point and this is where most PSO's start.
Help me understand something. The whole point of finding the positive axis point, is to figure out where to drill the finger holes in the ball. But in order to find the positive axis point, you need to roll the ball. In order to roll the ball, it has to have finger holes in it. I'm guessing the solution is that you throw another ball. But that other ball has been drilled for another person, and the way they roll the ball. So that ball is not going to roll the same for you as it does for them which will result in the flare lines being different than they would be for you using a ball that was drilled specifically for you. How do you find a positive axis point if you can't get accurate flare lines unless you use a ball that is already right for the way you hold and release the ball? Also, the flare lines are going to be different depending on the ball that you throw, each ball is going to hook differently, so the flare lines you get on one ball are going to be different than they would be on another ball. The flare lines that you're using as a reference are completely dependent on the layout, pin position, and cover stock of the individual ball that you are throwing as a test. Am I wrong here? I'm under the impression that if you threw 10 distinctly different balls, you would come up with 10 distinctly different sets of flare lines which would inevitably result in 10 different suggestions about where your finger holes should be drilled.
Each ball will hook different, but will track the same. The way you release and roll the ball determines the track (flare lines).
The amount of flare will differ from ball to ball and layout to layout but where those flare lines are will be consistent because they are determined by your release. You could throw a house ball down the lane and as long as there is enough oil on the lane for your flare lines to show you could take your PAP from that. In addition a "safe" generic PAP that can be used for someone who has never had a ball drilled for them or doesn't know their PAP is "Over 5 inches and Up 3/8 of an inch." You can use that PAP location to then find your PAP for another ball or even to plug and re-drill if you really wanted
This also confuses me. I have seen guys who throw the same ball yet have slightly different flare lines from throw to throw, and I am talking about experienced bowlers.
I specifically saw a pro bowler do a video on showing how to find your PAP and, in the example, on two different throws, he had differences in the flare lines. He even acknowledged the differences.
I have experienced this myself, and I am not new to bowling by any means.
Your roll is your roll.... Regardless of how it's drilled, your roll will create the track at the same relative place as it always will for YOU. You can use an existing ball of your own or use a test ball.
@@lonestarpatriot876well you can manipulate your hand at the release point for more or less axis tilt. On sport patterns, it can definitely come in handy to trick the ball.
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Pap is over rated