Hi from Green Bay. I was the official employee and tour guide at the National Railroad Museum from 1984 to 1989 where there is Big Boy #4017 that was donated on July 5 1961, so we will celebrate the double Anniversaries in 2021 of the donation in 1961, and the construction in December 1941, so the 4017 is the War Baby that was born during the Pearl Harbor attack. When I was the Museum employee in 1986 we got a new Director from Chicago. But he was Not a Railroad Man. So I had to teach him some rr history. But 4017 had been sitting outside for nearly 5 years in front of the McCormick Train Pavilion. So it was very faded and peeling. They started by sandblasting it and got as far as the tender. But a severe early winter blizzard stopped the work with freezing cold. So 4017 sat with the tender in bright yellow primer paint. And the boiler half rusty and the cowcatcher with old paint. But it was not able to.finish work until March 1987 when 4017 was totally in Bright Yellow Primer, and I got my 35mm slides. Then the Board of Directors decided to shove it backwards onto its new outside display track. But major trouble happened when the middle 2 drivers by the center cylinders on the fireman's. Left side derailed. The C&NW RR was using 1 GP7 to switch. But they had to leave. Then came back in a few days with 2-GP7s, and a 50 foot gondola as an idler car. After nearly 3 hours of hard work, the 4017 was back on track and finally shoved backwards to the East end of track. The painting contractors could finally finish with the new shiny gloss black coat, with silver stripes, and white letters. But the wonderful sight was not to last. Because by leaving it outside, the harsh sun, and winter snow ruined the paint in only 2 years. Worse, since it was outside next to the train shed, the North side of the roof poured rain water on it. So it was literally under a waterfall. The 4017 was repainted once again. But the new Director was made the Scapegoat and sadly fired. But many people praised him for his hard work. But the next guy was a mean manager, who was very short tempered, who sold off rolling stock, then had other historic pieces scrapped and destroyed. But he only lasted for 6 years. Then other managers came and went, on averages of 2 to 5 years. In 2001, they built the newer, but smaller Exhibition Hall, and shoved 4017 onto Track 2, right next to the British Ry. 60008 Streamlined class A4 named for WW2 General Dwight D. EISENHOWER. And also next to Pennsylvania RR #4690 GG1. But the track into the exhibit hall was ripped out. So, Big Boy 4017 is now trapped inside, unless you want to rip down the Southern Wall and set it free!! Thank you!! GOD Bless all of You in the Holy Name of JESUS with the Blessing of the Holy SPIRIT!!!+++ AMEN!!!+++.
Proud to be the supervisor for this magnificent steam engine. The Big Boy 4012. Nobody but the crew that worked on it know how honored was to be on top, bottom, inside dismantling and putting it back...
Awesome tour. I was there on Steam Cebration Day a few years ago. I saw this engine up close, but the drive rods were missing, among other parts. I got to get in the cab, and was just awestruck. It's nice to see the great job they did.
11:41 You are absolutely correct in saying that the tenders would be swapped out; in fact, none of the surviving big boys have their original tenders. This tender is the actual original tender from 4014 (notice the number 14, and the c-1 as opposed to c-4, denoting from the 1st series). Obviously now the 4014 has 3895's tender, however the tender that it had while it was on display at the Railgiants Museum was actually from the 4016 which was scrapped. As far as my knowledge goes, 4004 has 4003's tender, 4006 has 4004's tender, 4012 has 4014's, 4014 had 4016's and now has 3985's, 4017 has 4024's, 4018 has 4001's, and 4023's has 4005's. 4005 has the tender from one of the locomotives from the second series of 5, we know that it has a 25,000 gallon tank and the coal bunker design/bolt pattern is correct, however, the plates on the tender were removed at some point for some reason, possibly along with the builder's plates. As a Forney Museum volunteer I'd love to have a look through UP's records in order to figure out which locomotive the 4005's tender came from, it's possible it didn't come from a big boy at all. It is equally possible that it has 4023's original tender, since both were in storage at the same time together. They may have swapped them at some point either by mistake or for other reasons but who knows.
@Fan Railer bit of a correction to my comment- I believe the tender numbers actually started with 1, meaning 4000 would have had C-101 and so on. So this locomotive would have had 4013’s tender which actually checks out- I know for some of the other surviving big boys they had to steal some parts off of the next locomotive in the scrap line to be able to deliver fully functional locomotives. It’s entirely possible they got parts off of 4013 before they delivered it, (take 4014 having 4015’s drivers, etc).
You’re wrong, 4004 has 4002’s tender, 4005 has a tender from an unknown locomotive, 4006 has 4003’s tender, 4012 has 4013’s tender, 4014 has 4015’s tender, 4017 has 4023’s tender, 4018 has 4000’s tender and 4023 has 4004’s tender.
Thanks for the wonderful walkaround that explained all the parts and pieces visible outside. Always wondered what they were as there aren't any easily available articles or pictures explaining this stuff.
I got to see this very locomotive in action. I believe it was in 1962 when it came through my hometown on its way to Vermont from out west upon its retirement. If it was 1962 that would have made me about 9 years old. ( Almost makes it worthwhile being an Old GEEZER just to have seen her running the open rails.... almost :c). I could not resist... I just bought an HO scale version today with 4012 painted on it.
I'm curious where you obtained your information regarding the Big boy i am impressed on your base of knowledge. That's crazy about the length of the locomotive just being able to fit on the turntable
Various sources say that Steamtown's mechanic crews have said yes, it's internally in very good condition. The problem is the cost of the restoration and where it would run (some bridges are weight limited). One never knows though, remember before 2012 many said no Big Boy would ever return to operation. Then 4014 returned to life. Lesson is "never say never".
They did an excellent job with this. I can’t wait to see it! I know people were complaining of the fact that they can’t put it inside to keep it from the elements but I really don’t care too much. I wonder if they did anything to the cab. About the manufacturers plate, I couldn’t find anything about when it was built. So I’m going to have to go with either October (like you said) or November (stated on Wikipedia).
@@FanRailer Ok. In response to that here's what the NPS based the replica plaque off of (which supposedly came from 4012): museum.nps.gov/ParkObjdet.aspx?rID=STEA%20%20%20%203210%26db%3Dobjects%26dir%3DCR%20STEA%26page%3D1&fbclid=IwAR1o4IXXzYpEKTBlqsVJ7bhD1wQOnK5owjd8OxywTudaHBI271KocSzGB9Q
It'll return to excursion service once the country is opened up enough you can have outdoor crowds again. If it wasn't for Covid-19 4014 would've been doing excursion runs last year.
Thinking about buying that locomotive from the museum they want $12.5 million for the locomotive Quick question would you all be mad if my company proceeded to transaction completed and I took it from the museum
Beautiful machine. Shame on Union Pacific. They put all that work in repairing and restoring the 4014 when they can do it for the F-E-F locomotives. 833, 838, and 814.
Hi from Green Bay. I was the official employee and tour guide at the National Railroad Museum from 1984 to 1989 where there is Big Boy #4017 that was donated on July 5 1961, so we will celebrate the double Anniversaries in 2021 of the donation in 1961, and the construction in December 1941, so the 4017 is the War Baby that was born during the Pearl Harbor attack. When I was the Museum employee in 1986 we got a new Director from Chicago. But he was Not a Railroad Man. So I had to teach him some rr history. But 4017 had been sitting outside for nearly 5 years in front of the McCormick Train Pavilion. So it was very faded and peeling. They started by sandblasting it and got as far as the tender. But a severe early winter blizzard stopped the work with freezing cold. So 4017 sat with the tender in bright yellow primer paint. And the boiler half rusty and the cowcatcher with old paint. But it was not able to.finish work until March 1987 when 4017 was totally in Bright Yellow Primer, and I got my 35mm slides. Then the Board of Directors decided to shove it backwards onto its new outside display track. But major trouble happened when the middle 2 drivers by the center cylinders on the fireman's. Left side derailed. The C&NW RR was using 1 GP7 to switch. But they had to leave. Then came back in a few days with 2-GP7s, and a 50 foot gondola as an idler car. After nearly 3 hours of hard work, the 4017 was back on track and finally shoved backwards to the East end of track. The painting contractors could finally finish with the new shiny gloss black coat, with silver stripes, and white letters. But the wonderful sight was not to last. Because by leaving it outside, the harsh sun, and winter snow ruined the paint in only 2 years. Worse, since it was outside next to the train shed, the North side of the roof poured rain water on it. So it was literally under a waterfall. The 4017 was repainted once again. But the new Director was made the Scapegoat and sadly fired. But many people praised him for his hard work. But the next guy was a mean manager, who was very short tempered, who sold off rolling stock, then had other historic pieces scrapped and destroyed. But he only lasted for 6 years. Then other managers came and went, on averages of 2 to 5 years. In 2001, they built the newer, but smaller Exhibition Hall, and shoved 4017 onto Track 2, right next to the British Ry. 60008 Streamlined class A4 named for WW2 General Dwight D. EISENHOWER. And also next to Pennsylvania RR #4690 GG1. But the track into the exhibit hall was ripped out. So, Big Boy 4017 is now trapped inside, unless you want to rip down the Southern Wall and set it free!! Thank you!! GOD Bless all of You in the Holy Name of JESUS with the Blessing of the Holy SPIRIT!!!+++ AMEN!!!+++.
Proud to be the supervisor for this magnificent steam engine. The Big Boy 4012. Nobody but the crew that worked on it know how honored was to be on top, bottom, inside dismantling and putting it back...
Awesome tour. I was there on Steam Cebration Day a few years ago. I saw this engine up close, but the drive rods were missing, among other parts. I got to get in the cab, and was just awestruck. It's nice to see the great job they did.
Awesome! The thumbnail fooled me and made me think that was 4014!
Same
11:41 You are absolutely correct in saying that the tenders would be swapped out; in fact, none of the surviving big boys have their original tenders. This tender is the actual original tender from 4014 (notice the number 14, and the c-1 as opposed to c-4, denoting from the 1st series). Obviously now the 4014 has 3895's tender, however the tender that it had while it was on display at the Railgiants Museum was actually from the 4016 which was scrapped.
As far as my knowledge goes, 4004 has 4003's tender, 4006 has 4004's tender, 4012 has 4014's, 4014 had 4016's and now has 3985's, 4017 has 4024's, 4018 has 4001's, and 4023's has 4005's. 4005 has the tender from one of the locomotives from the second series of 5, we know that it has a 25,000 gallon tank and the coal bunker design/bolt pattern is correct, however, the plates on the tender were removed at some point for some reason, possibly along with the builder's plates.
As a Forney Museum volunteer I'd love to have a look through UP's records in order to figure out which locomotive the 4005's tender came from, it's possible it didn't come from a big boy at all. It is equally possible that it has 4023's original tender, since both were in storage at the same time together. They may have swapped them at some point either by mistake or for other reasons but who knows.
@Fan Railer bit of a correction to my comment- I believe the tender numbers actually started with 1, meaning 4000 would have had C-101 and so on. So this locomotive would have had 4013’s tender which actually checks out- I know for some of the other surviving big boys they had to steal some parts off of the next locomotive in the scrap line to be able to deliver fully functional locomotives. It’s entirely possible they got parts off of 4013 before they delivered it, (take 4014 having 4015’s drivers, etc).
You’re wrong, 4004 has 4002’s tender, 4005 has a tender from an unknown locomotive, 4006 has 4003’s tender, 4012 has 4013’s tender, 4014 has 4015’s tender, 4017 has 4023’s tender, 4018 has 4000’s tender and 4023 has 4004’s tender.
Thanks for the wonderful walkaround that explained all the parts and pieces visible outside. Always wondered what they were as there aren't any easily available articles or pictures explaining this stuff.
Very beautiful and well done restoration job, I am glad to see that "Big Boy" 4012 is back to looking in a respectable condition.
Wow! I didn’t know they were restoring 4012! Awesome video!
I got to see this very locomotive in action. I believe it was in 1962 when it came through my hometown on its way to Vermont from out west upon its retirement. If it was 1962 that would have made me about 9 years old. ( Almost makes it worthwhile being an Old GEEZER just to have seen her running the open rails.... almost :c). I could not resist... I just bought an HO scale version today with 4012 painted on it.
Very nice steam locomotive!
Oh I was there a few weeks ago. I was wondering where it was. I'll have to drive up there again soon.
Great video! Big fan of the Big Boy! Thanks for sharing! Have a great and awesome day à
Restoration was worth it, I rlly wanna see it again :)
4014 now:
Yes my brother
Great tour! Beautiful engine!
i checked the serial number 25-C-114 on the big boy tender and apparently that specific tender belongs to big boy 4013
I'm curious where you obtained your information regarding the Big boy i am impressed on your base of knowledge. That's crazy about the length of the locomotive just being able to fit on the turntable
There are plenty of publications available containing vast information regarding this class of locomotive.
So beautiful!! Is very long and big!!! waaao
The engine looks almost brand new. I wish the a Great Northern R2 was preserved.
4:12 Well, as of 2022, 4014 got its guards replaced!
Only thing missing is 4014 pulling up beside it. They did a great job on 4012, it badly needed some cosmetic work done
Josh big boy is a beautiful steam engine, pure American pride 🇺🇲🦅
Great steam action
did 4012 look as big as 4014 in the aspect of 4012 sitting still and 4014 being active.
both are big boy class so yes both have same height and leinght
I saw it about twenty years ago.
I'm curious to know if #4012 could run again under it's own steam again?
The short answer is no because there's no places to run 4012 and the railroads won't allowed it to run on their mainline
Various sources say that Steamtown's mechanic crews have said yes, it's internally in very good condition. The problem is the cost of the restoration and where it would run (some bridges are weight limited). One never knows though, remember before 2012 many said no Big Boy would ever return to operation. Then 4014 returned to life. Lesson is "never say never".
Nice walk-around
Excellent! Another big boy!
Built by American Locomotive Company, Schenectady, NY
They did an excellent job with this. I can’t wait to see it! I know people were complaining of the fact that they can’t put it inside to keep it from the elements but I really don’t care too much. I wonder if they did anything to the cab.
About the manufacturers plate, I couldn’t find anything about when it was built. So I’m going to have to go with either October (like you said) or November (stated on Wikipedia).
utahrails.net/up-steam-roster/up05-1915-1962-16.php#up-4000_4-8-8-4
@@FanRailer Ok. In response to that here's what the NPS based the replica plaque off of (which supposedly came from 4012): museum.nps.gov/ParkObjdet.aspx?rID=STEA%20%20%20%203210%26db%3Dobjects%26dir%3DCR%20STEA%26page%3D1&fbclid=IwAR1o4IXXzYpEKTBlqsVJ7bhD1wQOnK5owjd8OxywTudaHBI271KocSzGB9Q
The publication I have from the Union Pacific Historical Society dates the 4012 to October.
@@FanRailer Then I’m trusting that.
Enjoyed your content 👍🏾
4:47 What do you mean the builder's plate is incorrect? It should have been original to the locomotive, no?
Nice to see her or should I say him have a repaint and restoration
whats gonna happen to 4014
It'll return to excursion service once the country is opened up enough you can have outdoor crowds again. If it wasn't for Covid-19 4014 would've been doing excursion runs last year.
They're planning an excursion this year starting some time in August.
Why a rusty coupler?
couplers are always rusty wdymn?
It'd be amazing if they restored 4012 to operating condition. The funny thing is if you put water and oil in it you could probably fire it up
Only took them20 years to get the star of Steamtown this far.....
That's what I like to see!
Get it under cover for winter months.
Are you allowed to go in the cab
I was in the cab once!
Will it come into service bruhh?
Lol, unfortunately as of right now no. It's strictly a static museum piece.
I don’t think UP can run 2 Big Boys at once.
@@AirchimeLTDproductions174 Too big to run on the museum grounds, and it also can't fit on the turntable.
Wow Beautiful
Notice that it has a completely enclosed cab.
All the 4000s are equipped this way.
You look like me when I was just rebuilt big brother
The only negative is that you can't go inside the cab.
Iron larger than life!
Thinking about buying that locomotive from the museum they want $12.5 million for the locomotive
Quick question would you all be mad if my company proceeded to transaction completed and I took it from the museum
Big boi
You mean he
Beautiful machine. Shame on Union Pacific. They put all that work in repairing and restoring the 4014 when they can do it for the F-E-F locomotives. 833, 838, and 814.