Last time the hello sport boys said “clip this” to make someone feel stupid about someone making an outraged bet, David Nofoaluma went over for 2 and tigers beat parra. I’m putting the house on the titans to wins this week
I think it’s a really poor move to have a universal jersey in a women in league round. It’s like having an Australian flag jersey in indigenous round. It invalidates the true purpose of the round by making it something broader
I disagree with the hello sport boys when they talk about nrl being hypocritical embracing the religious beliefs. When the religious guys embrace, pray, and sing hymns at the end of games they aren't negatively impacting anyone. When they choose to reject supporting lgbtq communities because of that religion (which is bullshit if they don't feel the same way with gambling/alcohol sponsor's on the jersey) then that has negative implications on lgbtq people. The NRL/manly have allowed the 7 players to stand down from playing, just as they are allowed to pray and sing hymns after the game.
Just wanna thank the boys for suggesting "the rescue" to watch. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh and the podcast too. Also is bloke zero going to be a thing of the future? For us that don't drink alcohol?
Great words from the boys about the manly situation. Talking about inclusivity in amongst the bloke brand does show how far you kempy as a leader of a community has grown as a person over the years. Much respect.
Should the club also confer with players every time they put a betting app on the jersey or how about every time they play at the park named after an alcoholic beverage. I’m sorry but I will not accept that as a fair reason for not playing for the badge and think they’re all just cats.
The Australian cricket team (with the VB sponsorship) did with Usman K due to his Muslims beliefs. I know the gambling and alcohol argument has been making the rounds, but you'll find that those aren't considered sins in mainstream Christianity.
@@deodrasshelios7957 mainstream christians don’t consider being gay a sin, some guy called the pope and a book called the bible doesn’t either. No matter how hard these guys want to use religion as their cover claiming that being a bigot is a religious requirement is just not true.
@@carlredfern8067 Hence why it has more to do with culture than religion. Just like how Indonesian Muslims are different to Afghan Muslims despite having the same faith.
Just finished watching the Rescue doco about the Thai caves -- hoooooly shit, good recommendation. Even though I knew how it ended, that was still so damn intense and nerve wracking...
I agree with the point about "private beliefs" but I think these players need to understand that intentionally or not they are effectively communicating to an already highly oppressed community that "we are so disgusted by you and your sexuality that we aren't going to play, risking our standing in the team and the eye's of the public just because the jersey has a pride flag and thereby associated with lgbtq".
Yeah what do you mean 'highly oppressed?' I don't see how they are opressed. It's like we've gone from acceptance and tolerance to celebrating. I accept gay individuals and treat them with dignity and respect but I feel no desire to celebrate the fact they have sex with someone of the same gender. Other than that fact there is no difference between us.
Sexual preferences of a minority should not be a focus for NRL. We don’t celebrate any particular religion in our code with a special jersey. All this PC inclusiveness is so pretentious. I’ve noticed the fear that commentators have to even discus the matter because they might say something that offends one party or another. Even Roberts seemed confused that he should be wheeled out of the closet after all these years as poster boy to satisfy NRL’s ambition to be woke and inclusive. Instead of inclusiveness, this issue has created more division than intended, and should have been left alone.
so we should be less inclusive to be more inclusive? Bud inclusiveness is the reason my daughter can aspire to play Rugby League, inclusiveness is the reason our friends who are gay don't feel out of place in the rugby league community. Its "PC" its just being a good and reasonable person to let people know that everyone is welcome in this community. The way you're complaining now is the same crap other people would have said when race was the issue and not sexuality.
@@nathanwaterman5335 No one suggests your daughter or gay friends be excluded from anything. You’re looking for an argument. The woke activists feeding this hysteria don’t want inclusiveness. Their words and actions inspire division. Your opinion is all that matters and you look for any reason to belittle others to raise yourself up. If you read my comment thoughtfully instead of reacting, you may have got the message, but your personal opinions and prejudices prevent that. Sport is not a platform for every fringe movement to seek legitimacy. Most Aussies are “live and let live”, but they know when they’re being abused for someone else’s agenda. Your final comment bringing “race” into the discussion is typical and predictable, and justifies my judgement of you! Slandering others to make your point is weak and immature!
So back in Round 5, 2006 in a Fremantle vs St Kilda AFL game dubbed Sirengate, St Kilda kicked a behind to tie the game 10seconds after the final siren. The final behind was reversed and St Kilda were stripped of the points for tying the game.
The Tigers board are really pushing this for everything it's worth because by talking big, everybody is jumping on their side and forgetting how terrible they've been for their own club and fans
Kevin walters said (on the broncos teamlist podcast) that cobbo failed the hia test. It's a computer test for reaction times. Sam thaiday talks about it more indepth on the normal broncos podcast. Worth a listen. A lot seems to go in to the tests.
I don’t understand how with biblical exegesis and modern interpretations that we can see that clearly women aren’t inferior as the bible may indicate, but we can’t see the same for the LGBQIA+ community. In saying that the Manly boys shouldn’t have to have even made this choice to begin with. Such poor execution 🤦♂️
Do i strongly disagree with the manly boys views?? Fuckn oath I do, but the conversation needs to be had in society that not everyone is going too agree with who you are and the lifestyle you lead and that’s the product of living in an open and free society and that’s the only society worth living in. Fact of life is people don’t have to agree on everything as long as we treat each other with respect then all good.
For sure man, but the point can be made that the whole point of the jersey is about inclusiveness and yet these players are being excluded due to their religious beliefs. Also I think being Women in League round, it's the wrong time for Manly to bring this Jersey in, probably should have done it earlier or just do it in a few weeks time. And lastly Manly definitely should have spoken to the playing group about this Jersey and sorted out any issues way before actually announcing it and having players find out about through other media sources. If the whole purpose of the Jersey is about inclusiveness then these boys shouldn't be getting shit on for standing up for there religious beliefs, but then again I guess you could argue about the fact of all the gambling and alcohol sponsors all over Jerseys and stadiums. I don't know man. Poorly managed on Manly's behalf and it's just turned into an absolute shitstorm.
I love that apparently Teddy can’t win a Dally M with his team in 8th but RTS can win one from 8th and Ben Hunt can be the favourite with his team in 11th
It's been like this for years and I don't support either of those teams. Exact same thing happened with Turbo last year. He was the best player in the manly team by a country mile. Cleary was the best halfback in a team full of players like Turbo and struggled to get points. Same with Cody Walker at Souths
Just a few points on the tigers v cowboys debacle. Agree entirely that it was a terrible call and should have just been full time, game over. I don’t have a problem with the challenge being made, at the end of the day if there was a blatant foul by the tigers (like with the Ben Hunt situation a few weeks back), I’m all for being able to challenge and get the decision right. The problem we had here is he just made the wrong call. That then means this isn’t an issue with the bunker or the system, it’s simply human error, Ashley Klein made the wrong call, nothing more. We shouldn’t be getting rid of the bunker, there’d be hundreds more incorrect calls made and imagine the complaining if we went back to that. Re: taking more than 10 seconds to challenge, Chad was screaming challenge from the second Feldt hit the deck, it was the ref walking away and telling everyone to shut up as to why it took so long. And spare me anyone who thinks Holmes should have been penalised for being offside off his own kick. Can anyone imagine if that was called, offside when you’re kicking the ball? Clearly that rule is dumb and needs to go, we’re only looking for things to try to support the tigers were robbed narrative. You cannot be offside when you’re the kicker, ridiculous rule
On the kevin proctor thing, its illegal to smoke or vape in the stadium (so he broke the law) and yeah you're not allowed to have your phones on you (they are extremely strict about that because of online gambling) so yeah, while it seems dumb on the surface its def a big deal
Just coz I don’t wear woman’s clothes don’t mean I don’t support or imply that I hate woman .come on getting blindsided with this agenda during woman in league round when we should be celebrating woman in league. This has just made the round seem like a pride round it’s not .You can still be respectful and understanding even though you may not support one’s views .
Manly call it inclusivity but naturally it's being taken for pride with a specific meaning. Those defending saying it includes women when most of the dialogue isn't around women.
The way I see the stoppage thing is that a stoppage is stopping the clock, full time is the end of game. So it's either no stoppage (cuz it's a tackle and no full-time whistle blown) or it's full-time, which isn't then a stoppage cuz the clock isn't gonna start again. So there's nothing to challenge. Challenge a stoppage (penalty, which wasn't called) or call full-time, which is not a stoppage, it's end of. Period.
I don't agree with both religion and or being gay but I have good friends from both sides.If I go to a wedding in a church I don't not go into the church because I disagree with everything they preach.Just wear the jersey, at least that shows you don't despise gay people but you still don't have to agree.The club pays your wages and it's a hugely important game but now the fans will suffer.
I’m very religious and I don’t accept pride but it was up to manly to have these consequences and now they have to live with theses consequences and might ruin their finals chances just like my dragons done the bbq
hey bro, I respect your right to have your views but as a gay man myself I hope you can find it in yourself to be a bit more accepting of everyone in society.
@@jenconvertibles im not religious and i accept gay people in society. but im never in my life gonna don a rainbow nothing and parade around in it . you can exist and thrive in society without forcing people to adopt your mindset.
Bro I’m betting that every single one of the poly boys has a gay or lesbian first cousin or sibling. Defs a cousin though and when they see them they won’t act like they think less of them.
This ain't a dig at anyone, but it's typical of the LGBT movement to intrude on Women's spaces... It's all they seem to be doing now. And no I'm not anti anything. I just think, if I were a women, I'd be pissed off about a few things. And it's not cuz they're transitioned, it's cuz they're literally dominated women's space. Like these guys said, it supposed to be women's round yet the LGBT movement have taken over the entire round
Why are the players being vilified when the manly board should be crucified for thinking it was a good idea to not tell the team what they were planning. They should have known alot of these players have religious beliefs. Yet choose not to. Then they made Des and Cherry Evans try and clean up there fuck up. As a manly fan I stand with both the players that are choosing to sit out because of there beliefs they were brought up with and the LGBTQ community.
I respect the right to have an opinion…. Doesn’t mean you have to respect the opinion itself. It’s fair to say their views are homophobic as fuck, why should we pretend they’re anything else.
Do you realise alot of people hate what the lgbt political movement is pushing right? Just cause they align with your political orientation doesn't mean everyone does. The lgbt movement is political so why the f is nrl trying to always involve politics. What do you expect with alot of religious people in nrl? Now your hating on them and judging them. How inclusive and tolerant of you
Sorry J B, completely disagree. What you see the rainbow flag symbolise would be completely different to to how they see it. Just like some may see the Aussie flag symbolise British colonialisation, genocide and destruction of nature, completely different to how I see it. Does that mean everyone who sees something differently to me is a bad person or worthy to be vilified?
You say Ian Roberts if given the chance might of been able to educate these 7 players, on the flip side maybe these 7 players might of been able to educate Ian Roberts. Mixing sport and political agendas will always cause division.
End of the day at this moment in time the rainbow is a political/religious standard and all politics and religion should be barred from the NRL If you don’t think so imagine if players were asked to wear crosses and religious symbols there would be utter outrage from all sides and rightly so
Manly's feeder team the Black Town workers was smashed by Penrith's reggies team 48-6 by a Penrith team that was missing 6 or maybe 7 players depending on how the team lines up at full strength. That included both halves, two of their starting middle forwards, one bench prop, R.Jennings and Mav Guyer is the maybe. What I'm saying is it isn't going to be pretty for Manly against the Chooks. Could get pumped by 60.
Manly backs against wall is a dangerous team even without those players. All the pressure will be on the roosters to win by 13+ and if they don't pump manly by 30 or more and only win by 1-12 well.. but if manly win it'll be the upset of the season.
@@camerontheodore9801 We'll see I guess but I think there's a pretty big wall between some guys who were getting smashed by reggies/Sydney Shield players and freaking Roosters who have started to look really dangerous lately.
In regards to the Manly story, I think a lot of people are missing the cultural influence at play. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage. They have strong loyalty to their culture and they see this issue through that lense. Not saying it's good or bad, but considering that there's plenty with religious convictions that would be more than happy to wear the jersey, it's not as simple to say it's religious beliefs only.
Grown up around polynesian people, they are the most respectful race that I have ever come across. Some of the Polynesians I grew up around are gay, they are accepted by the church they attend and treated no differently by their families. This here sets a dangerous precedent for young Polynesians who identify as LGBT+ that idolise these Polynesian athletes, if they aren’t accepted by their favourite stars, they won’t feel like they are accepted by anybody.
@@alexanderiworth5629 great point. I’m bothered by people excusing these players homophobia by suggesting it’s somehow natural because they’re religious and Polynesian. It’s a pretty big insult to both Polynesian and religious people
@@alexanderiworth5629 you just said that they're accepted by their families and the church, then proceeded to say if they're not accepted by NRL stars then they feel they're not accepted by anyone. So you contradicted yourself then assumed to know how an entire culture thinks. But you've just taken your perspective into the issue. YOU think that refusing to put on the jersey means they hate gays or are homophobic. Could it be possible that's not how these 7 players see it? We see the rainbow symbol as something different to them, just as we have people in society that see the Australian flag as symbolising something different.
@@carlredfern8067 Only YOU are saying it's homophobia because you can't understand that the rainbow flag might mean something different to someone else.
@@alexanderiworth5629 don’t speak for young Polynesians - their community links and support are strong. They are commonly related or connected to nrl players and people understand the stance these players are taking even if some may not agree - we’re more socially skilled than you think
How the club handled this is beside the point these players have said a big up yours to their club, team-mates and fans and why? Because they're so disgusted by gay people that they won't wear a jersey with a few colours meant to represent the idea that rainbow people are welcome. These guys have handled this badly not the club. The religion point is pretty bad guys because it's BS. I know you didn't mean this but you basically just implied here that being christian means you're a bigot and that all those guys praying at the end of games (which I think is a great part of the game) share this bigotry. At the end of the day these guys have inarguably branded themselves as bigots and I hope they learn from this experience, which I'm sure hasn't been great for them. Honestly if they're that revolted by the idea of LGBTQ being included by the club they should 100% resign and find a club that shares those fucked up values. If anything this has proved how needed things like pride week is. One a more positive note I'll be cheering hard for Manly this week and am really proud of the players who are wearing the jersey.
Nah you're putting words in their mouths here. How have the players handled this badly? This is nothing like the Falou saga where he spouted hateful stuff at people. These boys (6 Polynesians and 1 Aboriginal) have not said one negative thing. I think a lot of people are missing the cultural aspect to this. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage. They have strong loyalty to their culture and they see this issue through that lense.
@@deodrasshelios7957 I know plenty of Polynesian people that would be pretty offended by the suggestion that their culture is inherently homophobic. I don’t believe I’m putting words into the players mouths I’m just drawing the obvious conclusion from their actions. The whole saga is really disappointing and it’s on these players not the club. They’re the ones who made a big political gesture about their right to not wear a few extra colours on their stripe.
@@carlredfern8067 You are the one calling them homophobic, not me. That's the label self-appointed defenders of LGBT put on people that have different values - like you. How's what you did any different to some white nationalist calling anyone with different values unAustralian? I'm sure they'd say they're drawing obvious conclusions about people with different skin colours too. I mean, you did say "I know Polynesian poeple" - typical racist's defence.
@@deodrasshelios7957 Thats pretty incoherent I don't really know if you are deliberately arguing in bad faith or you just simply don't understand the basic concept of bigotry be it racism or homophobia. To be clear, I am 100% saying these players are being homophobic. It is unarguable, that's what they're doing. To say otherwise is to deny the very existence of homophobia. In some weird garbled way you've tried to accuse me of being racist, which I don't even know how to respond to because you're barely making any sense. Of interest though the only person here bringing race into this is you. YOU said "I think a lot of people are missing the cultural aspect to this. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage." The players DIDN'T say anything about being Polynesian, you brought that up. All we know is that they are refusing to wear a rainbow coloured jersey (how petty) for unspecified "religious reasons" not "Polynesian reasons". So it is actually you putting words in their mouth at the moment. What you've suggested here is that being homophobic is somehow a cultural aspect of being Polynesian. Which frankly, is bullshit and also something you have ZERO evidence for and is in fact a pretty offensive piece of racist stereo typing. As I said I know Polynesian people, who right now will not be happy to see people going about making generalised statements about how homophobia is some kind of cultural aspect to being Polynesian. Humorously and rather stupidly you refer to me as "self-appointed defenders of LGBT". If you believe that, then you are acknowledging that rainbow people are under some kind of attack. If so. What are you in this scenario, the 'Self appointed attacker of LGBT' ? Or maybe you are the "Self appointed defender of homophobes" or perhaps the 'Self appointed expert in the cultural values of Polynesians'.
Make a rainbow 🌈 Bloke hoodie. Seems enough 'heroes' in the comments section would love to carry that flag. Also when will you bring on someone lgbtq to be a co-host? Diversity guys, got to get it in everywhere.
@@KredNigD I couldn't even point to a RUclips content maker. Almost like their collective expressed interest verges on nil. Maybe they are a suppressed voice? I hope all msm sport can talk their way out of 50 plus years of zero representation. They sure have plenty to say about this incident from their toilet paper towers. Love the content the guys here put out and really wouldn't want to see them suprised like Manly was. Just thought there were enough knights of the rainbow in the audience to really get ahead of the message for maximum virtue and make some bank off a great initiative. Just a great time where people are conveniently finding their voice. A miracle it seems.
@@benlane5906 yeah how convenient that they find their voice when there’s an initiative that actively includes them. I’m sure they wouldn’t boycott the show if a panellist came out as gay unlike the manly boys.
Last time the hello sport boys said “clip this” to make someone feel stupid about someone making an outraged bet, David Nofoaluma went over for 2 and tigers beat parra. I’m putting the house on the titans to wins this week
I think it’s a really poor move to have a universal jersey in a women in league round. It’s like having an Australian flag jersey in indigenous round. It invalidates the true purpose of the round by making it something broader
Agree mate
Some woke clown I ruined it
I've just had a baby girl and am very excited to see where woman's league will be at in 10years!!
Don’t be 😂
I disagree with the hello sport boys when they talk about nrl being hypocritical embracing the religious beliefs. When the religious guys embrace, pray, and sing hymns at the end of games they aren't negatively impacting anyone. When they choose to reject supporting lgbtq communities because of that religion (which is bullshit if they don't feel the same way with gambling/alcohol sponsor's on the jersey) then that has negative implications on lgbtq people. The NRL/manly have allowed the 7 players to stand down from playing, just as they are allowed to pray and sing hymns after the game.
Just wanna thank the boys for suggesting "the rescue" to watch. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh and the podcast too. Also is bloke zero going to be a thing of the future? For us that don't drink alcohol?
47:36 is the funniest moment in this pod's history
I lost it when Eddie said that
Great words from the boys about the manly situation. Talking about inclusivity in amongst the bloke brand does show how far you kempy as a leader of a community has grown as a person over the years. Much respect.
Should the club also confer with players every time they put a betting app on the jersey or how about every time they play at the park named after an alcoholic beverage. I’m sorry but I will not accept that as a fair reason for not playing for the badge and think they’re all just cats.
We get it, you only accept white views
The Australian cricket team (with the VB sponsorship) did with Usman K due to his Muslims beliefs. I know the gambling and alcohol argument has been making the rounds, but you'll find that those aren't considered sins in mainstream Christianity.
@@deodrasshelios7957 mainstream christians don’t consider being gay a sin, some guy called the pope and a book called the bible doesn’t either. No matter how hard these guys want to use religion as their cover claiming that being a bigot is a religious requirement is just not true.
@@carlredfern8067 Hence why it has more to do with culture than religion. Just like how Indonesian Muslims are different to Afghan Muslims despite having the same faith.
@@deodrasshelios7957 Can't pick and choose when you use this logic
Just finished watching the Rescue doco about the Thai caves -- hoooooly shit, good recommendation. Even though I knew how it ended, that was still so damn intense and nerve wracking...
My favourite nrlw player is Hannah Southwell, such a gun
I agree with the point about "private beliefs" but I think these players need to understand that intentionally or not they are effectively communicating to an already highly oppressed community that "we are so disgusted by you and your sexuality that we aren't going to play, risking our standing in the team and the eye's of the public just because the jersey has a pride flag and thereby associated with lgbtq".
How are they oppressed? Which law in Australia is discriminatory against them?
Yeah what do you mean 'highly oppressed?' I don't see how they are opressed. It's like we've gone from acceptance and tolerance to celebrating. I accept gay individuals and treat them with dignity and respect but I feel no desire to celebrate the fact they have sex with someone of the same gender. Other than that fact there is no difference between us.
Burto gives massive young Freddy vibes can see him having that kind of career when it’s all said and done
Sexual preferences of a minority should not be a focus for NRL. We don’t celebrate any particular religion in our code with a special jersey. All this PC inclusiveness is so pretentious. I’ve noticed the fear that commentators have to even discus the matter because they might say something that offends one party or another. Even Roberts seemed confused that he should be wheeled out of the closet after all these years as poster boy to satisfy NRL’s ambition to be woke and inclusive. Instead of inclusiveness, this issue has created more division than intended, and should have been left alone.
so we should be less inclusive to be more inclusive? Bud inclusiveness is the reason my daughter can aspire to play Rugby League, inclusiveness is the reason our friends who are gay don't feel out of place in the rugby league community. Its "PC" its just being a good and reasonable person to let people know that everyone is welcome in this community.
The way you're complaining now is the same crap other people would have said when race was the issue and not sexuality.
@@nathanwaterman5335 No one suggests your daughter or gay friends be excluded from anything. You’re looking for an argument. The woke activists feeding this hysteria don’t want inclusiveness. Their words and actions inspire division. Your opinion is all that matters and you look for any reason to belittle others to raise yourself up. If you read my comment thoughtfully instead of reacting, you may have got the message, but your personal opinions and prejudices prevent that. Sport is not a platform for every fringe movement to seek legitimacy. Most Aussies are “live and let live”, but they know when they’re being abused for someone else’s agenda. Your final comment bringing “race” into the discussion is typical and predictable, and justifies my judgement of you! Slandering others to make your point is weak and immature!
So back in Round 5, 2006 in a Fremantle vs St Kilda AFL game dubbed Sirengate, St Kilda kicked a behind to tie the game 10seconds after the final siren. The final behind was reversed and St Kilda were stripped of the points for tying the game.
J. Tedesco is having another stellar year.
The Tigers board are really pushing this for everything it's worth because by talking big, everybody is jumping on their side and forgetting how terrible they've been for their own club and fans
100%
42:37 the Madge segment absolutely Fucken killed me ‘Fucken who wants it’
Eddie backing the rabbits just shows that he gets footy
Kevin walters said (on the broncos teamlist podcast) that cobbo failed the hia test. It's a computer test for reaction times. Sam thaiday talks about it more indepth on the normal broncos podcast. Worth a listen. A lot seems to go in to the tests.
Completely agree with the Rescue documentary, categorically the best documentary I have ever seen and will ever see. Highly recommend.
What’s the doco called
Called The Rescue. Can stream on Disney +
I don’t understand how with biblical exegesis and modern interpretations that we can see that clearly women aren’t inferior as the bible may indicate, but we can’t see the same for the LGBQIA+ community. In saying that the Manly boys shouldn’t have to have even made this choice to begin with. Such poor execution 🤦♂️
Do i strongly disagree with the manly boys views?? Fuckn oath I do, but the conversation needs to be had in society that not everyone is going too agree with who you are and the lifestyle you lead and that’s the product of living in an open and free society and that’s the only society worth living in. Fact of life is people don’t have to agree on everything as long as we treat each other with respect then all good.
For sure man, but the point can be made that the whole point of the jersey is about inclusiveness and yet these players are being excluded due to their religious beliefs. Also I think being Women in League round, it's the wrong time for Manly to bring this Jersey in, probably should have done it earlier or just do it in a few weeks time. And lastly Manly definitely should have spoken to the playing group about this Jersey and sorted out any issues way before actually announcing it and having players find out about through other media sources.
If the whole purpose of the Jersey is about inclusiveness then these boys shouldn't be getting shit on for standing up for there religious beliefs, but then again I guess you could argue about the fact of all the gambling and alcohol sponsors all over Jerseys and stadiums. I don't know man. Poorly managed on Manly's behalf and it's just turned into an absolute shitstorm.
@UCsip1AWaS5_XQbmoXBR_tNQ Yep. Manly just should have consulted the players before hand and all this would have been avoided
@@sk_dede8635 they are excluding themselves, the club hasn’t excluded them at all
“Not everyone is going to agree with who you are” so racism and sexism would be fine because people hold those beliefs?
@@jenconvertibles still doesn't change the fact they are being excluded
These 7 blokes better refuse to play the next time on of their teammates punches their misses.
Respectfully, doesn't the club have the right to tell the boys this is a job, you're an employee and this is the uniform, wear it.
The way laws are for employers wouldn't be surprised if it's considered as discrimination
Gotta get a mother's day special jumper with 'MUMMY' on the front
I love that apparently Teddy can’t win a Dally M with his team in 8th but RTS can win one from 8th and Ben Hunt can be the favourite with his team in 11th
RTS won because even tho he was eight the difference between the 8th and 1st place was 2 points and he was the best player in all those wins
It's been like this for years and I don't support either of those teams. Exact same thing happened with Turbo last year. He was the best player in the manly team by a country mile. Cleary was the best halfback in a team full of players like Turbo and struggled to get points. Same with Cody Walker at Souths
Same as Latrell??? Wow. I don't even know how you can compare an accidental head knock with a shoulder charge to the face.
At the end of the day the jerseys have no doubt brought us a step closer to a day when homophobia is no longer in rugby league
Well said mate
you are delusional.
Nice thought though it feels more like we just charged 30 years backwards
Just a few points on the tigers v cowboys debacle. Agree entirely that it was a terrible call and should have just been full time, game over. I don’t have a problem with the challenge being made, at the end of the day if there was a blatant foul by the tigers (like with the Ben Hunt situation a few weeks back), I’m all for being able to challenge and get the decision right. The problem we had here is he just made the wrong call. That then means this isn’t an issue with the bunker or the system, it’s simply human error, Ashley Klein made the wrong call, nothing more. We shouldn’t be getting rid of the bunker, there’d be hundreds more incorrect calls made and imagine the complaining if we went back to that. Re: taking more than 10 seconds to challenge, Chad was screaming challenge from the second Feldt hit the deck, it was the ref walking away and telling everyone to shut up as to why it took so long. And spare me anyone who thinks Holmes should have been penalised for being offside off his own kick. Can anyone imagine if that was called, offside when you’re kicking the ball? Clearly that rule is dumb and needs to go, we’re only looking for things to try to support the tigers were robbed narrative. You cannot be offside when you’re the kicker, ridiculous rule
On the kevin proctor thing, its illegal to smoke or vape in the stadium (so he broke the law) and yeah you're not allowed to have your phones on you (they are extremely strict about that because of online gambling) so yeah, while it seems dumb on the surface its def a big deal
Just coz I don’t wear woman’s clothes don’t mean I don’t support or imply that I hate woman .come on getting blindsided with this agenda during woman in league round when we should be celebrating woman in league. This has just made the round seem like a pride round it’s not .You can still be respectful and understanding even though you may not support one’s views .
Killer Python gotta be the biggest bribe in the history of Australian grass roots sport. What a memory. Bring them back Allen's Lollies!
All the talk about the Bulldogs boys planning to get Tino back for Origin probably went against Waddell too
Teddy has led the stat for broken tackles like every year bar 2 since his debut, DYOR!
how have you got manly at 13+? 😂
Peña v nunes and Moreno v Kara France is this weekend kempy !
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Manly call it inclusivity but naturally it's being taken for pride with a specific meaning. Those defending saying it includes women when most of the dialogue isn't around women.
The way I see the stoppage thing is that a stoppage is stopping the clock, full time is the end of game.
So it's either no stoppage (cuz it's a tackle and no full-time whistle blown) or it's full-time, which isn't then a stoppage cuz the clock isn't gonna start again. So there's nothing to challenge. Challenge a stoppage (penalty, which wasn't called) or call full-time, which is not a stoppage, it's end of. Period.
I don't agree with both religion and or being gay but I have good friends from both sides.If I go to a wedding in a church I don't not go into the church because I disagree with everything they preach.Just wear the jersey, at least that shows you don't despise gay people but you still don't have to agree.The club pays your wages and it's a hugely important game but now the fans will suffer.
I’m very religious and I don’t accept pride but it was up to manly to have these consequences and now they have to live with theses consequences and might ruin their finals chances just like my dragons done the bbq
TFW you you “don’t accept pride” and you’re also a DMC dragons supporter. Check your life choices bruh fuck me
hey bro, I respect your right to have your views but as a gay man myself I hope you can find it in yourself to be a bit more accepting of everyone in society.
@@jenconvertibles im not religious and i accept gay people in society. but im never in my life gonna don a rainbow nothing and parade around in it . you can exist and thrive in society without forcing people to adopt your mindset.
@@paulywalnutz5855 all power to you bro, I don’t wear rainbow stuff myself
Wonder if the issue is that the manly players got put on the spot by the club or whether they just are just against the gay community. Interesting.
You bois took a great stance on the manly situation
Bro I’m betting that every single one of the poly boys has a gay or lesbian first cousin or sibling. Defs a cousin though and when they see them they won’t act like they think less of them.
Call them homophobic, don’t let them sit behind the veil of religious beliefs. They will not play because they view the LGBT community as lesser-than.
That's not true at all mate
@@JustASoul738 how is it not true?
@@JustASoul738 it’s pretty much text book homophobia
You can’t force people to support your beliefs and views and then dismiss their views etc
@@sironen24 you absolutely can dismiss homophobia - just like you can dismiss racism and sexism.
What's the difference between a straight Man n a gay Man?
Other than what they do in the bedroom.
Nothing.
This ain't a dig at anyone, but it's typical of the LGBT movement to intrude on Women's spaces... It's all they seem to be doing now.
And no I'm not anti anything. I just think, if I were a women, I'd be pissed off about a few things. And it's not cuz they're transitioned, it's cuz they're literally dominated women's space. Like these guys said, it supposed to be women's round yet the LGBT movement have taken over the entire round
Why are the players being vilified when the manly board should be crucified for thinking it was a good idea to not tell the team what they were planning. They should have known alot of these players have religious beliefs. Yet choose not to. Then they made Des and Cherry Evans try and clean up there fuck up. As a manly fan I stand with both the players that are choosing to sit out because of there beliefs they were brought up with and the LGBTQ community.
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I respect the right to have an opinion…. Doesn’t mean you have to respect the opinion itself. It’s fair to say their views are homophobic as fuck, why should we pretend they’re anything else.
Yeah it’s just homophobia hidden behind religion. I doubt they follow everything in the bible and just pick and choose when it’s convenient.
Do you realise alot of people hate what the lgbt political movement is pushing right? Just cause they align with your political orientation doesn't mean everyone does. The lgbt movement is political so why the f is nrl trying to always involve politics. What do you expect with alot of religious people in nrl? Now your hating on them and judging them. How inclusive and tolerant of you
Sorry J B, completely disagree. What you see the rainbow flag symbolise would be completely different to to how they see it. Just like some may see the Aussie flag symbolise British colonialisation, genocide and destruction of nature, completely different to how I see it. Does that mean everyone who sees something differently to me is a bad person or worthy to be vilified?
Would you expect lgbt players to wear Christian/Muslim symbolism on uniforms?
@@sironen24 This is not a good or productive point.
Do you realise that LGBTQ people can be and are religious too?
Manly could have just said the 7 players had covid lol
You say Ian Roberts if given the chance might of been able to educate these 7 players, on the flip side maybe these 7 players might of been able to educate Ian Roberts. Mixing sport and political agendas will always cause division.
Up the doggies
End of the day at this moment in time the rainbow is a political/religious standard and all politics and religion should be barred from the NRL
If you don’t think so imagine if players were asked to wear crosses and religious symbols there would be utter outrage from all sides and rightly so
We should be celebrating women in league round instead because of some woke virtue signalling from someone at manly we find ourselves here
Manly's feeder team the Black Town workers was smashed by Penrith's reggies team 48-6 by a Penrith team that was missing 6 or maybe 7 players depending on how the team lines up at full strength.
That included both halves, two of their starting middle forwards, one bench prop, R.Jennings and Mav Guyer is the maybe. What I'm saying is it isn't going to be pretty for Manly against the Chooks. Could get pumped by 60.
Manly backs against wall is a dangerous team even without those players. All the pressure will be on the roosters to win by 13+ and if they don't pump manly by 30 or more and only win by 1-12 well.. but if manly win it'll be the upset of the season.
If the roosters can put 54 points on a st George team that beat an almost full strength manly, a 90 point flogging is real possibility
@@cattyshackdecorcatfurnitur140 90 point flogging 😂
@@camerontheodore9801 We'll see I guess but I think there's a pretty big wall between some guys who were getting smashed by reggies/Sydney Shield players and freaking Roosters who have started to look really dangerous lately.
In regards to the Manly story, I think a lot of people are missing the cultural influence at play. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage. They have strong loyalty to their culture and they see this issue through that lense. Not saying it's good or bad, but considering that there's plenty with religious convictions that would be more than happy to wear the jersey, it's not as simple to say it's religious beliefs only.
Grown up around polynesian people, they are the most respectful race that I have ever come across. Some of the Polynesians I grew up around are gay, they are accepted by the church they attend and treated no differently by their families. This here sets a dangerous precedent for young Polynesians who identify as LGBT+ that idolise these Polynesian athletes, if they aren’t accepted by their favourite stars, they won’t feel like they are accepted by anybody.
@@alexanderiworth5629 great point. I’m bothered by people excusing these players homophobia by suggesting it’s somehow natural because they’re religious and Polynesian. It’s a pretty big insult to both Polynesian and religious people
@@alexanderiworth5629 you just said that they're accepted by their families and the church, then proceeded to say if they're not accepted by NRL stars then they feel they're not accepted by anyone. So you contradicted yourself then assumed to know how an entire culture thinks.
But you've just taken your perspective into the issue. YOU think that refusing to put on the jersey means they hate gays or are homophobic. Could it be possible that's not how these 7 players see it? We see the rainbow symbol as something different to them, just as we have people in society that see the Australian flag as symbolising something different.
@@carlredfern8067 Only YOU are saying it's homophobia because you can't understand that the rainbow flag might mean something different to someone else.
@@alexanderiworth5629 don’t speak for young Polynesians - their community links and support are strong. They are commonly related or connected to nrl players and people understand the stance these players are taking even if some may not agree - we’re more socially skilled than you think
How the club handled this is beside the point these players have said a big up yours to their club, team-mates and fans and why? Because they're so disgusted by gay people that they won't wear a jersey with a few colours meant to represent the idea that rainbow people are welcome. These guys have handled this badly not the club.
The religion point is pretty bad guys because it's BS. I know you didn't mean this but you basically just implied here that being christian means you're a bigot and that all those guys praying at the end of games (which I think is a great part of the game) share this bigotry.
At the end of the day these guys have inarguably branded themselves as bigots and I hope they learn from this experience, which I'm sure hasn't been great for them.
Honestly if they're that revolted by the idea of LGBTQ being included by the club they should 100% resign and find a club that shares those fucked up values.
If anything this has proved how needed things like pride week is.
One a more positive note I'll be cheering hard for Manly this week and am really proud of the players who are wearing the jersey.
Nah you're putting words in their mouths here. How have the players handled this badly? This is nothing like the Falou saga where he spouted hateful stuff at people. These boys (6 Polynesians and 1 Aboriginal) have not said one negative thing.
I think a lot of people are missing the cultural aspect to this. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage. They have strong loyalty to their culture and they see this issue through that lense.
@@deodrasshelios7957 I know plenty of Polynesian people that would be pretty offended by the suggestion that their culture is inherently homophobic.
I don’t believe I’m putting words into the players mouths I’m just drawing the obvious conclusion from their actions. The whole saga is really disappointing and it’s on these players not the club. They’re the ones who made a big political gesture about their right to not wear a few extra colours on their stripe.
@@carlredfern8067 You are the one calling them homophobic, not me. That's the label self-appointed defenders of LGBT put on people that have different values - like you. How's what you did any different to some white nationalist calling anyone with different values unAustralian? I'm sure they'd say they're drawing obvious conclusions about people with different skin colours too. I mean, you did say "I know Polynesian poeple" - typical racist's defence.
@@deodrasshelios7957 Thats pretty incoherent I don't really know if you are deliberately arguing in bad faith or you just simply don't understand the basic concept of bigotry be it racism or homophobia.
To be clear, I am 100% saying these players are being homophobic. It is unarguable, that's what they're doing. To say otherwise is to deny the very existence of homophobia.
In some weird garbled way you've tried to accuse me of being racist, which I don't even know how to respond to because you're barely making any sense. Of interest though the only person here bringing race into this is you.
YOU said
"I think a lot of people are missing the cultural aspect to this. It's no coincidence that 6 out of the 7 players have Polynesian heritage."
The players DIDN'T say anything about being Polynesian, you brought that up.
All we know is that they are refusing to wear a rainbow coloured jersey (how petty) for unspecified "religious reasons" not "Polynesian reasons". So it is actually you putting words in their mouth at the moment.
What you've suggested here is that being homophobic is somehow a cultural aspect of being Polynesian.
Which frankly, is bullshit and also something you have ZERO evidence for and is in fact a pretty offensive piece of racist stereo typing.
As I said I know Polynesian people, who right now will not be happy to see people going about making generalised statements about how homophobia is some kind of cultural aspect to being Polynesian.
Humorously and rather stupidly you refer to me as "self-appointed defenders of LGBT". If you believe that, then you are acknowledging that rainbow people are under some kind of attack.
If so.
What are you in this scenario, the 'Self appointed attacker of LGBT' ?
Or maybe you are the "Self appointed defender of homophobes" or perhaps the 'Self appointed expert in the cultural values of Polynesians'.
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Make a rainbow 🌈 Bloke hoodie. Seems enough 'heroes' in the comments section would love to carry that flag. Also when will you bring on someone lgbtq to be a co-host?
Diversity guys, got to get it in everywhere.
Name a single NRL-related piece of media that is fronted by a gay person, champion. Should be easy considering it’s in everywhere.
@@KredNigD I couldn't even point to a RUclips content maker. Almost like their collective expressed interest verges on nil. Maybe they are a suppressed voice? I hope all msm sport can talk their way out of 50 plus years of zero representation. They sure have plenty to say about this incident from their toilet paper towers.
Love the content the guys here put out and really wouldn't want to see them suprised like Manly was.
Just thought there were enough knights of the rainbow in the audience to really get ahead of the message for maximum virtue and make some bank off a great initiative.
Just a great time where people are conveniently finding their voice.
A miracle it seems.
@@benlane5906 yeah how convenient that they find their voice when there’s an initiative that actively includes them.
I’m sure they wouldn’t boycott the show if a panellist came out as gay unlike the manly boys.
Haha.. Golden comment mate. It's getting old this shit
Keep politics out of sports!
Simple.
We all Bleed the same colour.
Respect all. Keep this out of sport