We are at Performance Motor Coach taking delivery today of our new 2025 Renegade Explorer ERB today. Trading in our 2021 Verona VRB with 37,000 miles. The Verona has been flawless. Renegaders for life!
Renegade 45XL DBM. Freightliner Cascadia. Just went south Florida to the mountains in colorado 2300 miles. No tornados, but 50+MPH crosswinds for 100 miles in Oklahoma. Just steer into the wind and great tracking. Not glitzy like Newmar (traded 2024 London Aire for Renegade). But, the fit and finishes on the inside are extraordinary. Padded vinyl walls…no cheap wallpaper. Great heat, AC, floor heat-fast response. 7 1/2’ ceilings throughout. Firefly displays are way ahead of competition. Totally intuitive. It’s like driving a half ton SUV. Renegade XL is a beauty and a beast.
@@robertroney1690I’m looking at a used 2022 Newmar Superstar 4059. 6K miles on it, and this would be my first RV. Would appreciate your feedback, and thoughts on this style of RV ?
I have to agree about Showhauler is at the top of the list. Not really a Super “C” fan, so would I can not really judge. Now as for quality, NEWMAR by far, but there is a price difference. Keep up the good work, love your videos.
I love the Renegade Verona and the New Mar I love the best but I love the Show Hauler too! It’s a tough decision. But I do think the New Mar is the best. I’m a New Mar fan! Thank you Izzy and MJ!
I just found your Channel and have been binge watching! Very nicely done. I like that you stay true to your mission and haven't gone the way of becoming a "advocates" for many causes that the other two largest RV channels have become. It's mostly advertisements on their merchandise they sell now. Very disappointed they went that way. I get enough junk mail in my mailbox for that. I want to know what kind of RV's are out there and your thoughts on them. You do a good job and both have fun personalities!
I'd add 1492 Coachworks, sister company to Outback Conversions. Custom/custom, choose your chassis, and quality components throughout. They are the only Super C using the same slides as Newell Coach, for instance.
If I had to rank it would be 3) Newmar Supreme Aire, 2) Renegade Ikon, and 1) is a tie between Showhauler and 1492 Coachworks. I like a Super C with tandems and a commercial chassis.
Now that Renegade has discontinued the Ikon, it may be a good idea to check with Show hauler to see if they would build to the previous Ikon specs. It's a personal thing but the Ikon has it all, including a hefty price tag. Good isn't cheap and cheap isn't good.
I would likely go with a Showhauler if looking for a Super C. I really considered one a few years back, but the one I like aren't made anymore. They were made by HaulMark RV but discontinued them a year or two ago.
Hi there, we love your channel and insights into the RV world. We have a comment on your comments about the RVs built on the S2 RV chassis not being a "true" Super C because it isn't on a "True" Truck Chassis. We owned a 2015 Jayco Seneca, it was built around the Freightliner M2 Business Chassis, would this be considered a "True" Super C? We put 50k miles on it so we think we got to know the rig pretty well. We now own a Renegade Valencia which as you know is built around the Freightliner S2 RV Chassis. (according to you guys, not a true Super C) This chassis has a higher towing capacity, more horse power and a lot more torque than our old Seneca. Plus we get 100 gal of fuel versus the 75 gal on the M2 chassis, one side fuel fill which that in and of itself is worth the change, rear air breaks, and air ride. We probably could have bought a Verona but for the extra 70k, we didn't think we were getting much more other than towing capacity and if you do not need the added 20k towing why would you spend the 70k. And one of our biggest "turn offs" on the Verona was the M2 Chassis which the Verona was build on. Going back to dual fuel tanks was not an option . Anyway, we see quite a few other posts ragging on you guys about "True" Super Cs, we figured we would chime in. We love our Valencia and building these on the S2 chassis to us was a HUGE plus.
Verona VBR 2 baths!!… did like the bedroom mirrors in the Newmar 😅 since we pull race trailers the 40K pulling would be nice… for passing 18 wheelers in cruise control going up hill.
I like your ranking: 1) Mufasa - the Showhauler 2) Newmar Superstar 3) Renegade Verona When you made this video 2+ years ago, if you had compared the Renegade Ikon, the Newmar Supreme Aire, and Mufasa, I think the rankings by brand would have been the same.
My favourite super c hasn’t been designed yet and, isn’t available (c’mon Newell 🤭), if I had to pick it would be Showhauler though. However, I would want to challenge them by asking for improvements that I don’t see in the market yet. So here’s a question for you two guys (maybe a subject for one of your future videos), what improvements would your viewers like to see that aren’t yet available in the market? For instance, a set of vertically stacked solar panels that cantilever out over the awnings. How many solar panels could you fit on a roof if you designed it this way rather than laying them down like a carpet whilst restricting access etc… And don’t even get me started on why all the equipment fitted on the roof penetrates it to fix it, actively encouraging water damage. 😖😳🧐. There are definitely better manufacturing designs and processes! 🤭😉👍🏻
Have been enjoying your videos for a while now. I have a deposit on a 2023 MY Renegade Verona 36 VSB, so for our budget, preferences, and priorities it's our #1 choice. Can't argue with the Showhauler as your #1 but doubt you could buy one for under $600,000 once options added. After years of research, even in these times of inflated prices, for the best value I believe the Verona line is hands down a great choice for Super C buyers without an unlimited budget. IMO Newmar's newest entries don't merit #2 ahead of Renegade. Thinking it is a very niche market perhaps for Class A owners who have soured on their rig's drive quality? Lots of glitz and more up to date interior for sure, but lots of extra weight on the same Freightliner chassis and Cummins engine as the Veronas. Not a fan of that over the cab window which will let in lots of heat. Biggest concern is the full wall slide that could compromise the structural integrity of the rig with a hole that large. Maybe you can address this in a future video? Also don't think it is a good idea having plumbing on the slide side. A lot more $$$ mainly for fancy. BTW, am a bit confused about which way YOU are going. First it seemed Super C (the Explorer or Classic?), then back to the Class A for the space, and now maybe the Showhauler (because this RUclips business is doing so great :) ?
Nice video, but I don’t think you are comparing like with like in your ranking. The Verona is Renegade’s “production model”, but they also do custom units like the Showhauler (although slightly less custom than they used to) so those would make a better comparison.
I agree with Wes Alexander, Show Hauler for sure. I will also say that there is a new company that you all need to look into, which is 1492 Coachworks. They make all of their Super C's custom. So you have the ability to build it the way YOU want. No floor plans at all since it is all custom from the ground up.
@@EndlessRVing Maybe try contacting them about a tour f their show coach and factory tour. They have a youtube channel that you can look at as well. Keep up the great content. Love your videos.
As you already probably know from my millions of comments, Showhauler wins by a landslide!!! I agree with your top three, 100%!! If I ever hit the lottery the first thing I’m buying is a Showhauler!
Favorite Renegade is the Verona LE 40LRB, love it. Like the Super Star too but way out of the budget. Show Hauler, no doubt the best, but way way out of the budget.
1492 Coachworks is a step above Show Hauler. Much of the same mindset for construction, function and accessibility of systems for maintenance. Quite a few areas where they use higher end components and more heavy duty construction that pump the price up though.
I’m looking at 1492 also now, and now they have the same slides as Newell!! They are also all aluminum like Newell. 1492 CoachWorks is a Newell in a “true” Super C!
Renegade classic for us and ikon. Build quality and customization. We have a 2017 classic upgrading to a new 2023 classic dual axle which is in build to receive later this year. Show haulers are great as well . The pinnacle is the 1492 coach however out of our price range.
Nice review, Your top 3 falls inline with mine, I will say Newmar Supreme Aire and the Super Star still retain the OEM air ride cab, all the other super C builders will remove the cab air bags and put rubber blocks in place of the bags. That's very innovative and hard to accomplish and still keep the interior aesthetics.
You missed the Renegade Classic CMR 45. It is way better than all of them. Hands down. We are with 10 years experience with Airstream and 5th wheels, and we have 6000 miles with this rig. There is no comparison with even a Prevot.
@@EndlessRVing Thank you very much ! I’m going to contact the seller today, and try to set up a time to look at the RV. If it looks like I can make a deal with the sellers, I will email you guys, and have the agreement subject to inspection.
None of those would be my favorite due to their prices! No way would we spend half a million or more in something that travels the roads with so many crazy drivers. Insane!!
Nope nope nope lol, have ta disagree..... Newmar Supreme Air all the way!!!. Not even sure how you picked Super Star over it, or Show Hauler. But respect for your opinion 😊
I like the entire Renegade line. We currently have the Renegade Valencia on the S2 RV chassis. The S2RV chassis is a class 7 chassis with more than a 26000 lb GVW, so not sure why you keep saying it isn’t a true super c. I’ve had this discussion with you before on a previous video.
You are comparing apples to oranges. The Renegade and Newmar models you showed are on the lighter M2-106 chassis. The Showhauler is on the heavier Cascadia chassis. So no wonder it came out on top! Renegade makes at least three Super C models on the Cascadia chassis, the Explorer, the XL, and the Icon. Newmar probably does as well.
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We are at Performance Motor Coach taking delivery today of our new 2025 Renegade Explorer ERB today. Trading in our 2021 Verona VRB with 37,000 miles. The Verona has been flawless.
Renegaders for life!
Renegade 45XL DBM. Freightliner Cascadia. Just went south Florida to the mountains in colorado 2300 miles. No tornados, but 50+MPH crosswinds for 100 miles in Oklahoma. Just steer into the wind and great tracking. Not glitzy like Newmar (traded 2024 London Aire for Renegade). But, the fit and finishes on the inside are extraordinary. Padded vinyl walls…no cheap wallpaper. Great heat, AC, floor heat-fast response. 7 1/2’ ceilings throughout. Firefly displays are way ahead of competition. Totally intuitive. It’s like driving a half ton SUV. Renegade XL is a beauty and a beast.
There’s just one and only one, RENEGADE hands 🙌🏽 down
The Verona !!! Definitely !! Thanks guys.
Show Hauler Show Hauler Show Hauler all the way. Not anyone else can compare their Quality and workmanship PERIOD
#1 is 1492 coach works
my dream motorhome is Renegade Ikon.
Newmar for us, we pick up our 4059 next week!!!
Showhauler by far is the best build quality!
I have a Newmar Super Star 4061and love it. Verona is you no comparison to my coach !
One very important item you didn’t mention. The Super Star has a air suspension cab as well as air ride seats.
@@robertroney1690I’m looking at a used 2022 Newmar Superstar 4059. 6K miles on it, and this would be my first RV. Would appreciate your feedback, and thoughts on this style of RV ?
Great review guys. Those other 2 rigs are super nice. However, our Newmar Superstar 3746 is soooo beautiful! We wouldn't trade it for the world.
I agree with you, the Showhauler all the way....
Show Hauler #1 in my book. Maybe in a couple of years, I can find and trade-in. LOL. That's the order in which I would list them too.
🙌 Thanks Aaron!
I like the Verona with out the slide. It's still over my budget. The set up looks great.. It's the first one you had viewed.
I'd love having a Renegade Explorer, bath and a half, fireplace and just at 40ft....sweet
My favorites are Ikon & Supreme aire
I have to agree about Showhauler is at the top of the list. Not really a Super “C” fan, so would I can not really judge. Now as for quality, NEWMAR by far, but there is a price difference. Keep up the good work, love your videos.
I love the Renegade Verona and the New Mar I love the best but I love the Show Hauler too! It’s a tough decision. But I do
think the New Mar is the best. I’m a New Mar fan! Thank you Izzy and MJ!
Even though it’s not in my budget the Showhauler is #1. 👍👍👍👍to y’all
Again, you nailed it I would love any of the three. $$$ dictating what I get. But the show hauler is beautiful....
I like the Renegade
I just found your Channel and have been binge watching! Very nicely done. I like that you stay true to your mission and haven't gone the way of becoming a "advocates" for many causes that the other two largest RV channels have become. It's mostly advertisements on their merchandise they sell now. Very disappointed they went that way. I get enough junk mail in my mailbox for that. I want to know what kind of RV's are out there and your thoughts on them. You do a good job and both have fun personalities!
Thanks! Happy you’re here. 😁
I'd add 1492 Coachworks, sister company to Outback Conversions. Custom/custom, choose your chassis, and quality components throughout. They are the only Super C using the same slides as Newell Coach, for instance.
Have heard of them but never seen one in person.
1492 Coachworks hands down.
I need a bed 80 inches long. Explorer and verona are 75 inches. Leaning towards a Renegade Classic.
2 year wait on the showhauler is worth it. I'd take showhauler because that tank could survive just about any accident on the highway.
Renegade Ikon of course !
If I had to rank it would be 3) Newmar Supreme Aire, 2) Renegade Ikon, and 1) is a tie between Showhauler and 1492 Coachworks. I like a Super C with tandems and a commercial chassis.
Favorite Renegade Explorer 40ERB
Now that Renegade has discontinued the Ikon, it may be a good idea to check with Show hauler to see if they would build to the previous Ikon specs. It's a personal thing but the Ikon has it all, including a hefty price tag. Good isn't cheap and cheap isn't good.
Showhauler is the #1 in my book , but if I had a choice of chassis I’d pick the Volvo with a 16 valve ISX engine and transmission !
We have a Renegade Verona 34 VQB, discontinued model, but we wanted a short one. Don't need a washer or dryer or king bed.
I would likely go with a Showhauler if looking for a Super C. I really considered one a few years back, but the one I like aren't made anymore. They were made by HaulMark RV but discontinued them a year or two ago.
Totally agree, with those prices compared, it really is a no brainer. Your money is buying much more in a Show Hauler.
When build quality matters (when doesn't it), Show Hauler, all the way. 40,000# towing capacity - Holy Smokes!
Definitely!!
Hi there, we love your channel and insights into the RV world. We have a comment on your comments about the RVs built on the S2 RV chassis not being a "true" Super C because it isn't on a "True" Truck Chassis.
We owned a 2015 Jayco Seneca, it was built around the Freightliner M2 Business Chassis, would this be considered a "True" Super C? We put 50k miles on it so we think we got to know the rig pretty well. We now own a Renegade Valencia which as you know is built around the Freightliner S2 RV Chassis. (according to you guys, not a true Super C) This chassis has a higher towing capacity, more horse power and a lot more torque than our old Seneca. Plus we get 100 gal of fuel versus the 75 gal on the M2 chassis, one side fuel fill which that in and of itself is worth the change, rear air breaks, and air ride. We probably could have bought a Verona but for the extra 70k, we didn't think we were getting much more other than towing capacity and if you do not need the added 20k towing why would you spend the 70k. And one of our biggest "turn offs" on the Verona was the M2 Chassis which the Verona was build on. Going back to dual fuel tanks was not an option . Anyway, we see quite a few other posts ragging on you guys about "True" Super Cs, we figured we would chime in. We love our Valencia and building these on the S2 chassis to us was a HUGE plus.
Showhauler is a no brainer.
I'm interested in the Renegade 34VQB.
The 2022 Tampa RV show was in January if I'm not mistaken.
SAME order you had em in hands down. if your in it for the long term showhauler for the win lol
The Newmar and Verona LE are on the M2 chassis they’re under powered. I show hauler is the best but the Renegade icon is the best. My opinion only.
ShowHauler, 4WD, no slides. Find me in semi-remote places in Canada and wonder how in the hell did he get there?
Verona VBR 2 baths!!… did like the bedroom mirrors in the Newmar 😅 since we pull race trailers the 40K pulling would be nice… for passing 18 wheelers in cruise control going up hill.
ShowHauler!
Renegade IKON
Newmar supreme aire because of the rear door in the bathroom.
They all nice and yes to the black out wheels. Thanks for sharing👍👍
I like your ranking:
1) Mufasa - the Showhauler
2) Newmar Superstar
3) Renegade Verona
When you made this video 2+ years ago, if you had compared the Renegade Ikon, the Newmar Supreme Aire, and Mufasa, I think the rankings by brand would have been the same.
Showhauler all the way
1 and 3 😁 Safe Travels guy's 💙
Why wasn't the Ikon in the list?
Showhauler All the way
1492 Coachworks gets my vote.
SHOWHAULER ALL THE WAY
Show Hauler was my #1 UNTIL the new name in the game 1492 Coachworks. Just when you thought it couldn't get more "tank" like, wow!
Impressive talk!
My favourite super c hasn’t been designed yet and, isn’t available (c’mon Newell 🤭), if I had to pick it would be Showhauler though. However, I would want to challenge them by asking for improvements that I don’t see in the market yet.
So here’s a question for you two guys (maybe a subject for one of your future videos), what improvements would your viewers like to see that aren’t yet available in the market?
For instance, a set of vertically stacked solar panels that cantilever out over the awnings. How many solar panels could you fit on a roof if you designed it this way rather than laying them down like a carpet whilst restricting access etc…
And don’t even get me started on why all the equipment fitted on the roof penetrates it to fix it, actively encouraging water damage. 😖😳🧐. There are definitely better manufacturing designs and processes! 🤭😉👍🏻
Have been enjoying your videos for a while now. I have a deposit on a 2023 MY Renegade Verona 36 VSB, so for our budget, preferences, and priorities it's our #1 choice. Can't argue with the Showhauler as your #1 but doubt you could buy one for under $600,000 once options added. After years of research, even in these times of inflated prices, for the best value I believe the Verona line is hands down a great choice for Super C buyers without an unlimited budget. IMO Newmar's newest entries don't merit #2 ahead of Renegade. Thinking it is a very niche market perhaps for Class A owners who have soured on their rig's drive quality? Lots of glitz and more up to date interior for sure, but lots of extra weight on the same Freightliner chassis and Cummins engine as the Veronas. Not a fan of that over the cab window which will let in lots of heat. Biggest concern is the full wall slide that could compromise the structural integrity of the rig with a hole that large. Maybe you can address this in a future video? Also don't think it is a good idea having plumbing on the slide side. A lot more $$$ mainly for fancy. BTW, am a bit confused about which way YOU are going. First it seemed Super C (the Explorer or Classic?), then back to the Class A for the space, and now maybe the Showhauler (because this RUclips business is doing so great :) ?
Will the upscale Class A RV parks allow a SuperC to camp at the park?
If they are class A only no they would not
Nice video, but I don’t think you are comparing like with like in your ranking. The Verona is Renegade’s “production model”, but they also do custom units like the Showhauler (although slightly less custom than they used to) so those would make a better comparison.
Would you install Liquid Springs on a SupetC ??
On the front yes it can be done
Showhauler has stuff king aire don't have... pretty awesome
I agree with Wes Alexander, Show Hauler for sure. I will also say that there is a new company that you all need to look into, which is 1492 Coachworks. They make all of their Super C's custom. So you have the ability to build it the way YOU want. No floor plans at all since it is all custom from the ground up.
We are hoping to see 1492 at a show. We have heard they are excellent coaches
@@EndlessRVing Maybe try contacting them about a tour f their show coach and factory tour. They have a youtube channel that you can look at as well. Keep up the great content. Love your videos.
@@johnhickey8207 they are located in Oklahoma. That is a long way from NJ lol
As you already probably know from my millions of comments, Showhauler wins by a landslide!!! I agree with your top three, 100%!! If I ever hit the lottery the first thing I’m buying is a Showhauler!
Showhauler all the way then renegade ikon or classic and 1492 coachworks haven't seen the new tiffin yet watch out newmar
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Favorite Renegade is the Verona LE 40LRB, love it. Like the Super Star too but way out of the budget. Show Hauler, no doubt the best, but way way out of the budget.
Hey guys, just a quick FYI - the Freightliner S2RV is a Class 7 chassis as the GVWR tops out at 33,000 lbs. You're right, Showhaulers are no joke!
I like my Fake Super C, Renagade Valencia 38RB
Izzy or mj how would you compare your #1 showhauler 45 footer to a 1492 coachworks 45'? Maybe do a video on th top model 1492 for comparison
We have not seen 1492 coachworks in person as they do not attend shows. We have read they make a quality unit.
@@EndlessRVing Thank you.
1492 Coachworks is a step above Show Hauler. Much of the same mindset for construction, function and accessibility of systems for maintenance. Quite a few areas where they use higher end components and more heavy duty construction that pump the price up though.
I’m looking at 1492 also now, and now they have the same slides as Newell!! They are also all aluminum like Newell. 1492 CoachWorks is a Newell in a “true” Super C!
Would love to see them at a show.
I love showhauler...but you have to go check out 1492 Coachworks!
Renegade classic for us and ikon. Build quality and customization. We have a 2017 classic upgrading to a new 2023 classic dual axle which is in build to receive later this year. Show haulers are great as well . The pinnacle is the 1492 coach however out of our price range.
#1 is 1492 coach works
Show hauler is the one to have
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Nice review, Your top 3 falls inline with mine, I will say Newmar Supreme Aire and the Super Star still retain the OEM air ride cab, all the other super C builders will remove the cab air bags and put rubber blocks in place of the bags. That's very innovative and hard to accomplish and still keep the interior aesthetics.
I was super interested in the Blue Bird Wanderlodges….until I started seeing these Super Cs. Care to comment and compare the 2? Thanks.
Blue birds are great but if you need parts you can have issues.
Showhauler all day
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IKON By far!!
You missed the Renegade Classic CMR 45. It is way better than all of them. Hands down. We are with 10 years experience with Airstream and 5th wheels, and we have 6000 miles with this rig. There is no comparison with even a Prevot.
It seems like a true super c would have at least a 13 liter engine.
What size is in those M2 106 chassis?
On the Verona 8.9 liter
I’m looking at a 2022 Newmar Superstar 4059 with 6K miles on it. This would be my first RV, and would appreciate any feedback/advice.
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@@EndlessRVing Thank you very much ! I’m going to contact the seller today, and try to set up a time to look at the RV. If it looks like I can make a deal with the sellers, I will email you guys, and have the agreement subject to inspection.
1492 Coach Works. Equal to Showhauler.
Showhauler
None of those would be my favorite due to their prices! No way would we spend half a million or more in something that travels the roads with so many crazy drivers. Insane!!
Dynamax Dynaquest XL
My #1 is 1492 they use all aluminum they don’t match fiberglass with metal also backup systems #2 showhauler #3 newmar
1492 coachworks my beat like but price is out of my range.
I have to go renegade…
Love my Jersey peeps
Nope nope nope lol, have ta disagree..... Newmar Supreme Air all the way!!!. Not even sure how you picked Super Star over it, or Show Hauler. But respect for your opinion 😊
Show Hauler is the top dog. Well, along with 1492 CoachWorks. 👍
Look them up
These Super C’s aren’t really comparable. You should’ve compared a Renegade Classic/XL or Newmar Supreme Aire with the Showhauler.
1942 Coachworks
1492 ciachworks
Check out the 1492
I like the entire Renegade line. We currently have the Renegade Valencia on the S2 RV chassis. The S2RV chassis is a class 7 chassis with more than a 26000 lb GVW, so not sure why you keep saying it isn’t a true super c. I’ve had this discussion with you before on a previous video.
You are comparing apples to oranges. The Renegade and Newmar models you showed are on the lighter M2-106 chassis. The Showhauler is on the heavier Cascadia chassis. So no wonder it came out on top! Renegade makes at least three Super C models on the Cascadia chassis, the Explorer, the XL, and the Icon. Newmar probably does as well.
Newmar is only on M2 and we were comparing super C’s that were at the show :)
Out of Oklahoma City
Renegade IKON. Since they only build 12-14 per year, they must be twice as good!
Thor now has Mega C segment…lol
1942 or showhauler. It’s not even a question
Show Hauler is too bland for me . We are looking at the Verona Le. In my eyes the fit and finish is hard to beat.
Look beyond the shiny cabinets and floor at the build behind what you don’t see. Showhauler is at the top.
The drivability of the showhauler sucks. If you like to make Austin Power turns this is the rig for you.
The build quality does not 😉