MOTLEY CRUE CAUGHT IN THE ACT!!! MICK MARS FILES LAWSUIT!! BACKING TRACKS ARE CONFIRMED!!
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- UPDATE!!! A lot of comments that were in defense of MC using playback said things like... "It takes a real musician to play to a click," and "Trying to stay in sync with a click is demanding" Also, "I'd like to see YOU play along to a click track," or "I don't see you playing along" So, I thought I'd give it a try here:
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A confirmed look at the Motley Crue backing track rig. I know the person who builds the rigs and gives this private demo. The program is MOTU Digital Performer. The same program I use, programming and running backing tracks for some of the biggest artists on the planet.
UPDATE!!! A lot of comments that were in defense of MC using playback said things like... "It takes a real musician to play to a click," and "Trying to stay in sync with a click is demanding" Also, "I'd like to see YOU play along to a click track," or "I don't see you playing along" So, I thought I'd give it a try here:
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People who can't play to clicks either don't play instruments or are new. It makes life a lot easier aha
Playing to a click track is hard! But at least they'd be playing their own instruments! That's the whole point of a "live show" isn't it? Wanna hear backing tracks go listen to the album!
@@mikegonzalez9064 to be honest, I find playing to a click track is easier, but then again… I’m a human metronome 🤣🕰️🤣
@@mixhits9306 to be honest then that means I suck lol
@@mikegonzalez9064 I'm sure you're awesome!!!
i like how vince neil is just making up noises that sounds like words. 40 years and he's still can't remember the lyrics.
The devil doesn't mind what you say, as long as you keep on shouting at him.
Even worse, he has Teleprompters for the lyrics.
He sounds like a gnome gargling in Drano.
@@treeherder2201 oh shit you nailed it hahahahahaaa
I saw them on Theatre of Pain and it was the exact same. Fortunately I also saw them on SATD opening for Ozzy when they were still somewhat coherent.
This is pretty standard now days with metal bands. Most play to a click with in ears and have timecode for all the lights as well as midi changes for guitar patches. They also throw in the extra tracks that are on the record like synths, maybe backing vocals, the other guitar bits, all the stuff that makes the album sound big and huge so they can play live. Its not cheating, its for the performance and show that people are paying a decent amount of money to see. The band still needs to play in time to the click track. It's just the way things are done now days, its more efficient and the performance is better. The band is still playing the songs live.
Thanks for commenting. I think you if you watched the video, it says and shows all the aforementioned. And I feel I have a good understanding of how these work because if you read my description, I build, program, and run these rigs for tours, spot dates, and tv performances. Now, if your basing everything off a thumbnail, I guess it worked and I apologize (sort of.) Thank you and have an amazing day! 🙌🙌
@@mixhits9306 Hey mate, yeah I watched the whole video but then I read some comments about people thinking its BS or whatever ahah
METTALICA " HUH " NOT US SAD BUT TRUE
A click track is a time keeping technique . Piping in additional drums and guitar is not a click track.
@@michaelwills1926 I'm pretty sure you have zero clue what you're even saying. You should be more concerned with The Rise and Fall of Pizza Hut.
I'm 51 years old. My first three cassette albums I ever bought, Motley Crue, Shout at the Devil, specifically for the back masking warning, lol, Quiet Riot, and Rockwells, 19.. Shout at the Devil definitely shaped some part of my childhood and rippled into adulthood.. thank you Motley Crue.
KISS and Motley Crue... They are two of my favorite bands. Both use playback rigs and backing tracks.... go figure 😂😂
So what! Leave them alone! If you don’t like it don’t listen!
@@kimberlystrawbridge7168 what , if any, part of what I posted made you respond that way? I basically posted a love letter to Motley Crue..
@@lawrencelyman3372 I'm just as confused as you, Lawrence. LOL. Have a great day!
Shout at the Devil, by far their best work...raw and unforgiving- then the corporate music came out.
Stopped goin to shows in the early 00s, I saw some great shows n im good now.
I definitely believe that he is not lip-synching, why would you lip-synch the most horrible vocal performance on earth?
Definetly should put some echo on the vocals it would make them fuller and rounder
he sounds naked up there with no FX
This is literally how almost every single concert youve ever been to works
You're right! Because just about every concert I go to, I'm running the playback rig. Have a great day!
I mean, not literally every single show. Some bands still play naturally and have a lightshow person doing it in real time but I'd wager 99% of bands couldn't afford that. There's nothing wrong with doing it this way in my opinion.
@@PJBonoVox that would be why I said almost
Don't know what shows you're going to see, but I'm sure the bands I see are actually playing their instruments.
@@mr.timebombman2230 did you even watch the video?
This makes me want to never go to another big concert. you're basically watching a sound engineer play with a computer.
Not really, because you never see him 🤣🤣🤣
Ive played live with many drum machines and Samplers and I can tell you definetly that they are conducive to SCREW-UPS. They can only do basic stuff
and if you trigger the wrong thing, youre fucked. Its only a matter of time before it happens.
DEFINITELY ... you are sooooo STUPID ‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But the click- track gives it a cool Country vibe
Yup
It’s amazing how upset people get when shade gets thrown at this band. How they’ve built such a loyal fan base with the mediocre albums they’ve put out is beyond me. I think it’s more of a nostalgia thing at this point and with Mick out of the band what’s the point. He was the only one worth a shit out of all of them.
Definitely nostalgia. I can't see any other reason an adult would listen to this crap unless they're stuck in a suspended state of adolescence.
@@ExileOnMyStreet fcking so true
I saw MC with Def last year on the Stadium Tour. Don't get me wrong, Vince still sounds like s**t but he sound a little bit better when he did that Brazil trainwreck concert lol. Yet you when you videos with Crue doing their over seas tour, all you see is "Vince neil sounds better or he sounds good"..I want to know what they are smoking and for them to justify paying a high price ticket for Vince to sound like that lol. MC fans are delusional...not all of them but the ones who can't call out their BS
Yup….a motley crew of shit musicians!
It's amazing how many people are willing to pay obscene prices to see senior citizens fail on stage
I would be interested in seeing what kind of rigs other bands use. I have read and heard that this is standard operating procedure these days actually. I guess this is why seeing up and coming bands in smaller venues and even clubs is so cool, you see them really playing the music and it may sound like a garage band, but sometimes, depending on what kind of music it is, that may be the main draw. It seemed like this rig simply gave the music a fuller sound that may not be possible outside a studio setting or without several extra musicians and what not. In the end, a Crue show is a spectacle and it's kinda expected to a certain degree, ever since they began with the rotating drums and pyrotechnics and what not so they continue in that vein and the technology has really upped the game quite a bit!
To be honest, just about every touring band/artist uses playback to some degree. When it comes to pyro, it keeps the show very safe by firing everything at the exact right time. It's also what keeps the video/lyrics on screen in sync. The problem is that it gives a sterile feel to 4 piece rock bands with all live instruments. On a, let's say, Usher tour, there are a lot of programmed tracks from the studio sessions that are used in conjunction with his live band. Thanks for watching!!
We beg of you, please use a back track for Vince!!
I'm a professional musician and yes, this is 100% how things work today. I play with multiple acts and have been using "backing tracks" for years. You want your drummer to play to a click. If they do not it is impossible to use tracks (unless there is a constant time being kept by a shaker or whatever within the track itself). For my artists we do not use tracks for any vocals or any of the instruments that are actually on stage. I see no issue with any of this whatsoever. I do see an issue with using vocal tracks however. Please don't hold it against bands that use tracks as I do as the goal of this is only to enhance the show experience that you are receiving. It's the major "artists" who get up there and lip sync the whole show all the while their raw soundboard feed sounds like a grunting cat trying to keep from using up it's 9th life that pisses me off.
I pretty much echoed the same sentiment before reading your comment.
how about getting some chicks to see back up vocals? LOL
The issue is you go to see a band live and it's all prerecorded tracks a band act like their playing instruments everyone should have a problem with this I'm a musician as well I don't see how a musician can be ok with this I know alot are it's sad it's not like they can't play Mick Mars my opinion has always been an underrated guitarist never really got the respect he deserved he can play the songs along the rest of the band well Vince is questionable to say the least.
This isn't a live show or live performances when the entire band is playing with backing tracks l.
@@ozman6602 but they are all still playing their instruments. And Vince is still "singing." They're just using the backing track to fill up the sound and to control their equipment and lighting. It's not like Milli Vanilli. The audience is still hearing every note they play and sing.
It’s like milli vanilla. No push or pull against each other, just robots playing with digital performer. Live Music needs some Fudge. Vanilla Fudge.
Lol Eddie trunk said they were backtracked as well as Def Leppard last year. However they do not back track vocals. Which he couldn't understand. Glad you woke up from a nap
Show me a video where they show their actual playback rig and how it's used. That's all this video is supposed to be. Not breaking news that their using tracks (yes, they use vocal tracks as well) I hope you have an amazing night Wheeler. 💝
Oh, it's very true Vince was caught doing it when he was on his solo tour then his voice went out. Mick is right, it's not always live. Super Bowl performances do it too.
What does his voice sound like when it "goes out?"
That's me singing on the backing tracks. I want to get paid here people! And not just in Pop Tarts or KFC like for Vince Neil! Later.
It’s a huge arena show. With lights lasers and explosions. It takes magic to make something this big work. No longer a garage band.
Thanks for watching!
Any chance to hear Vince warble and jam together some strangled, mangled nonsense words as part of the song is comedy gold.
There tends to be a lot of misconceptions on what the difference between a backing track is and what playback is so let me break it down for those who are curious.
Backing tracks are used for additional instruments like pianos, synths and aux percussion that the band could not recreate live without literally having to hire additional members and buying the gear to go along with it. Playback is a prerecorded track of what the band is supposed to be playing but are not and they're miming to the track. This is exactly like lip-syncing. THIS is bullshit. No one wants to see anyone simply pretending that they are performing. Backtracks on the other hand are more than welcome in my book. They allow the bands to keep costs down while still delivering on the production side of their live performance.
TLDR: Backtracks enhance the production of a live performance. Playback is the equivalent of lip-syncing; pretending to perform while a prerecorded live show plays through the speakers.
This definition is inaccurate.
@@mixhits9306 You can't say its inaccurate and then not explain why you think that. I would love for you to elaborate.
I’m a sound engineer. This is 95% of any band or singer of any genre. They almost always use backing tracks.
It must be true then 👍
@@mixhits9306 yep. When I’m running sound for a festival or something and a band doesn’t have anything extra such as extra vocals, extra guitars etc, it’s fresh air to me! What you see and hear is what you get!
@@chris2fur401 That's awesome!! Always great to hear a band that just goes out there and plays!!! Thanks for commenting!!
This guy didn’t say that the instruments are pre-recorded tracks, he’s just showing you what kind of in ear sounds they have vs how the computers control all of the effects/mixes. This was mostly just a demo of the production software
Exactly. The thumbnail may possibly be click-baity, but the intention is to show how artists actually use these systems. They’re for much more than lip-syncing which Motley Crue is NOT doing. This is really to control all the tech and enhance the show. Thank you for watching 🙏
But didn’t he say the guitar track was fed to the audience?
@@J.T845 I believe he meant mick’s guitar is a DI signal that runs into a program that holds all of him amp tones & effects. That clean signal gets ran through that and comes out as a live distorted guitar track (mick is playing it, not Pre recorded). That track goes into micks ears and the house speakers.
Motley does run a rhythm guitar track under mick when he does solos for some songs, so there is also that.
@@Castlehillmusic gotcha, thanks for the info and your time bud
@@J.T845 It one billion percent is
I've heard that if you drag a donut through a trailer park you'll catch Vince Neil...
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This is so incredibly common. This is how productions work. This doesn’t mean they’re miming their instruments. There are two guitars in the songs, so either get Mick’s rhythm guitar from a backing track or you get another guitarist to join onstage. And I’d bet you’d think it’s worse to have another guitarist join them, because then it LOOKS like they can’t play their own songs by themselves. Also, you can’t time video, pyro, and lights to the music unless the band plays to a metronome. I’m not really sure what you think you’re exposing here
Thank you for your insight. I had no clue 🤓
Everything you said it´s just true. But this Karens just don´t understand.
Churches have been doing this for 20 years. Timing the lights etc. with the band is OK by me, that does make the click track necessary. However when bands start lip syncing and playing air guitar I'm out....
Churches definitely took a page from large productions, but certainly weren't the first.
If they can't play live, they shouldn't be touring
I believe Metallica is all live, with the exception of a couple of intros when walking on stage. James said they fuck up all the time because it's live. They just move on and sometimes start over.
Too much money at stake!
Vince should be his voice is a dying cat and the band should just play live
I am a drummer and I play in bands that play this kind of music. I currently play in a band that plays hard rock from 80s that does not use backing tracks or click. We just try to play clean and methodical and not get drunk. Of course the tempo moves a smidge up and down and it sounds live like it should. The expectations are too high. Because fans are able to watch videos of live performances on RUclips and critique every imperfection it causes these pro bands to use this tech. No one wants a bar band to play better then a seasoned 80s band with massive success. They have to try and make themselves sound perfect (except for Vince) to set themselves apart from amateurs. For example, Tommy Lee is seasoned and he has lived the life of a million kings. He probably doesn't practice every day like a teenage kid trying to get famous. He has the hits, history, money, and world level gigs under his belt to prove himself. He just won't be able to play with perfect tempo like a young up and coming dedicated discipline MIT grad drummer who plays to a click every waking hour. He isn't a technician. He isn't a drum scientist trying to play drum clinics for musicians and show off his progressive jazz chops. And he is getting old. And he has smoked and partied. Drums and vocals are the first ones to show their age. Finger movement instruments are less physical and more tedious in the hands and the hands have lots control from brain input. Minus arthritis of the hands...you can play finger instruments longer in age span. This is probably why Mick can still play all of this live despite his body hurting. What really sucks is that if you are the musical on stage performing with this technology....you aren't having fun like the audience is. The band (or mostly drummer) has to hear that monotonous click is in ear the whole show. It's god awful. And if the band gets off the rails and you are the drummer locked in to the click you can't real those other guys in. The whole band is probably hearing that click just to be safe. It's miserable. These monster level bands would be better off playing 1 big show a week and preparing for the show the day before the show. Play it live and be rested up. The audience needs to be more forgiving and allow the bands to play live. Judge it for what it is. I always liked the rock bands that played with wildness. Van Halen sounds raw live....EVH experimented in the live songs and didn't always stick to playing it like the record. The 1980s drunk and wild VH would be critiqued on RUclips today as being sloppy. But back then....it seems normal and good to the audience because they expected a raw live sound and if it's a wild band like VH or Motley....it would be drunk and raw. Oh well. We are in the age of digital perfection. Now rap, country, and pop....it's to be expected that is fake. That stuff is not viewed for the musicianship (with exception).
Dude, your comment is entirely too long.
Thank you so very much for taking the time to compose such a detailed and accurate comment. You're spot on in assessing how much work this is for the band. To me, someone who runs a rig like this, it's the most stressful 90 minutes ever, even though there's automated redundancy. These are EXTREMELY complex and complicated systems. And to your point, VH is one of my favorite bands ever to see or watch live, and they just crushed it every night. Fun fact: They actually played to a DAT track for "And The Cradle Will Rock." Thanks again, and have a fantastic day!! 🤘🤘🤘
@@SS-gn1wj Let the man live bro!
@@mixhits9306 fair enough 👌
@@SS-gn1wj You're a good person. Appreciate you!
Backing tracks are not the issue. Mick played for years dealing with his AS and kept going strong. Vince's buffet habits killed that band. Of anyone on stage, Vince should be the one faking every note. Mick has my full respect.
All hail Mick Mars the King 👑 Thanks for watching!
Mine too 👍💯....The rest of them guys? I can take or leave em (THESE days, anyways)
What is the video’s source, where you found the full video of the backing track? Btw thanks for this video!
It's from MOTU (Mark of the Unicorn). They make Digital Performer, and this was a seminar at the NAMM Show. Also, Playback Control, who ACTUALLY builds the MC playback rigs.
backing track or no backing track, motley crue sounds great!
They are great, and the backing tracks help them sound great live, without a doubt.
Sixx never really looks like he's playing, just posing.
This has been commonplace in the live music industry for a long time now. Not really surprising. Now, if they were pantomiming their entire performance, sure that would be something to complain about.
Many rock concerts since the late 70s
I was so sickened to find out John 5 agreed to play with these has beens. Mind you I saw tihe crue play backyard party way back before anyone knew who they were. I was at the US fest
There was a video from a Crüe show showing the piano playing the intro to Home Sweet Home and Tommy was nowhere to found lol
Alot of this is standard with ALOT of touring bands. Not a bad thing. There is a rhythm guitar on a track and micks live guitar to give the music more "wall of sound" and gang vocals like "shout,shout" ALL bands with the capabilities uses gang vocal tracks. People need to understand the difference between tracks and lip synching
They play WITH a track, not COMPLETELY TRACKED
Agreed. Although the thumbnail MIGHT be a little click-baity, this is more of an educational video on how bands actually use the systems. Thanks for the comment!
@@mixhits9306a little click-baity?? Please just stop posting your crap ass videos for god sakes 🤦🤦
@@mixhits9306 "...a little click-baity"? Nahhh.... 😂
@@robdam100 I'd go as far as saying that nobody has posted a video of their playback rig; they're definitely not singing any of their background vox, there are also backing guitar and drum parts, and now Mick is claiming (which has been thrown around for a long time) that Nikki isn't playing. So, maybe a hint of clickbait, depending on how you digest it. 😜P.S. I subbed your channel; I have a couple of saltwater tanks 👍
The only thing they should use a " backing track " for....................is Vince Neils vocals !!!!!!!
The truth is if this tech existed 30 years ago you know musicians would have used it.
Janet Jacksons tour used MPC 60's to fire tracks from a Roland S770 that long ago, so technically, it did 👍
It did exist and they did use it. This goes back to playing things off a reel-to-reel tape deck. Computers and digital just made it easier.
Click tracks, not opposed to them, they've been used for decades. Having the effects set up ready to go- not opposed. It's when they are piping the actual music through the P.A. and lip syncing that I get mad. Tommy is a good drummer. Nikki looks like he's playing. I'd like to hear them without the wizardry, though, warts and all. I never thought I'd live to see metal become Milli Vanilli.
The only tracks getting fed to FOH are backing vocals, some guitars, minor drum loops, and effects. Vince is obviously not lip syncing.
If they just did this for Vince’s vocals then everyone would understand. It’s hard listening to him struggle through the lyrics of his songs. Almost impossible to sing along with him when doesn’t even seem to know the lyrics.
I'd rather see a full playback concert than Neil's actual voice.
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The root rhythm of the performance is a computer-generated backing track. It may not bother some, but to high standard purest, it probably does.
It's tracks from their own record. Depending on what they and their producer agreed on, that might have started with a click, or started with them playing freely and then the click was programmed to match what they played.
@Editing SECRETS revealed! The root click track is not from one of their recordings. It mimics. Other peripheral parts may be, but the root track is a DAW creation to help keep everyone in the groove.
I've been a fan of Mötley Crüe since 1983.and always will be. But I do believe they use backing tracks.
You would be correct!! 🤘
Those are not backing tracks as the audience would be complaining about! What you’re showing are in ear monitoring for the band and the rest of the bands Crue only in ears to make a show run smoothly behind the scenes. The backing tracks that the audience would be complaining would be those instruments or vocals that are not played live and are played back recordings over the live performances!
I guess you’re not hearing the vocals, guitars, drum loops that all get fed to front of house. Thanks for watching 🙌
Ehhhhh, I don't think this means what you're thinking it means. Almost every band these days uses the type of system this gentlemen just walked through. Things like click tracks, canned orchestral parts, guitar effects, vocal harmonies etc. are all typically run through computers so that the live performance can match the quality of the album. You might consider it cheating but nothing this guy just said insinuated any of the musicians were not actually playing their parts, which is what Motley Crue is being accused of. Having "canned" Mick Mars solos etc. Or Vince lip synching. That is not at all what this guy just said.
To not use the type of setup this guy is talking about would essential mean that you couldn't have pre-programmed lighting, pyrotechnics or even pre-recorded piano/orchestra parts. Because no matter how good a drummer is, if they do not have a metronome or "click track" playing, the tempo of the song is going to slightly drift and then your pyro, lights and pre-recorded parts wouldn't line up in the song.
Sorry, Andre, this means precisely what I think it means. It's simply a look at their rig and how they use it to provide a high-tech show. It also dispels the rumors that Nikkii is not playing, and Vince is not singing, when indeed they are. As stated in the video description, I build, program, and run these rigs at an extremely high level and know what they are doing and not doing. Thank you for the comment though!
Don't want to displease you but that's how things works for live concerts at least since the 80's. There's nothing special or unusual going on here.
Man, Thank you!! I had no idea, even though I build, program, and run these playback systems professionally. I guess I should have made my video description clearer. Thanks for your comment! 🙌
@@mixhits9306 You're welcome.
Some stereo guitars in the chorus and extra vocals for the "shout" parts...is that it? This is standard amongst many bands playing live.
I'm pretty sure those are considered backing tracks. Correct me if I'm wrong. 🙏
If I wanted to see and hear a “perfect” concert I’d play the album loud at home. I’ve no problem with actual live music but damn I couldn’t subject myself to the vocals of tubby Vince.
There are a lot of bands that use backing tracks. Kiss for sure as well.
LOL - every band and artist on the planet is using this type of tech/system. I use it weekly.
Hey!!! Me too! Super cool! 🤘
Gibberish! That is pure Rick n Roll fraud. Mick is carrying his weight and sounds like the only one.
Motley wasn't caught doing anything. Nikki has admitted to using tracks and it's never been a secret. I just saw them in Atlantic City. All the choruses, and backing vocals are pre recorded tracks.
Just an educational look at how these rigs work. Thanks for watching!
God Bless MOTORHEAD. No ear monitors, NO computers. NO B.S. WE WERE MOTORHEAD, WE PLAY ROCK N ROLL. 💯🥃🥃🥃🖕
Amen Mark🙏 Simpler, raw, times
Add Milli Vanilli to the tour!
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@@pare4918 W.A.S.P. is incredibly guilty as charged. Going as far as to block the view of Blackie actually NOT singing with the skull.
Completely different lol
I watched your guitar shredding other video . That was excellent playing btw dude! Ok, so a click track being used in live concerts , means the musicians are still playing their instruments? They just have additional sound run through the amps to beef up the music ? To make it sound better/ fuller ? Plus in case they make mistakes ? No, I’m not defending any bands that do this , I’m just trying to figure out what this means musically / technically ?
Basically yes. Some abuse it and it replaces their playing or singing. And thank you very much for the compliment
@@mixhits9306 Well done video , bringing all the elements together , I love seeing the rigs and how the gear is patched etc , I guess when I feel it's personally abused is typically for all I know vocals and supporting vocal tracks , as a paying audience member part of the suspense and entertainment factor is to enjoy and or critically judge singing and harmonies etc , when I see the one male lead vocal singing live and HEARING a veritable CHOIR such as when say Canadian Rockers Tocque cover Chilliwack "Gone Gone Gone. and it sounds more like the record than any incantation they could possibly realistic do LIVE , then I personally feel ripped off and would file that under abuse , admittedly it's a fine line , very fine . Also I had a conversation with the live FOH mix engineer for Tocque and seems they also utilize MOTU DP for live tracks , what is it about DP in general that may be better than PT or any other DAW for live tracks , likely small potatoes I would assume , they are all pretty standard now adays?
@@bobco5 Hey Bob! Thank you for stopping by! I've tried every DAW for playback and I'll tell you why I chose DP. Both Pro Tools and Logic used in playback are linear. Meaning, your entire show is in one session and all the songs can share some of the same tracks/channels. For example, if you make a volume automation/fader/eq change for one song, you could inadvertently be making a change on another instrument 6 songs down the timeline. Also, both PT and Logic would be using a marker system to jump around from song to song. DP uses what's called a "chunk" system. It allows each song to be it's own "session" within a project that gives you the option to makes changes to said song without affecting anything else. It's like having 15 sessions open at once that you can easily switch between in real time, as well as having a setlist that you can change on the fly and also gives you the option to automatically pause each song upon ending, chaining some together as well other helpful options. I feel as DP and Abelton Live are the two most widely used systems for playback. I own and am comfortable with every DAW out there, but always try to choose what's best for the job and think DP is the best all around for playback, control of video, lighting, pyro/fx, but to be 100% honest, I would never use it to write, produce, or mix. Logic is my go to for writing, and Pro Tools for recording/mixing. I may have to do a PT vs DP playback video in the near future. I hope you have a great day!
The point is the band stills sounds horrible since they started... with or without the computers....what they sold very well was image....and lies...
Lol whatever you say cletus
What is the name of that backing track demonstration video? Or the link possibly? Trying to work on some backing tracks for a band and that looks very informative.
That was from a presentation at the NAMM show by "Magic" Dave Roberts of MOTU, which makes Digital Performer. Viggy Vignola from Playback Control built and programmed MC's rig. If you let me know your DAW of choice, I can point you in the right direction.
@@mixhits9306 Thank you so much for the reply i appreciate it. I'm using ableton right now.
@@ryanboyce3365 No problem! I'm an expert in Digital Performer, Pro Tools, and Logic. This could be a great resource for you: hub.electroniccreatives.com/home
It’s a glorified click track, which is used on just about any stadium show, as it’s impossible to hear each other and stay in time. It had nothing to do with being a good musician. The backing vocals are the only parts being “faked”, other than an occasional additional guitar part, due to them being a one guitar player band. The show would be virtually impossible without this, without being a disaster. Been done for decades, the tech has just gotten better, and you really don’t want it to stop. The shows would suck
While I agree, I also disagree. You absolutely do not need tracks to hear each other. That's wha in-ear monitors, and a monitor engineer is for. I promise you they hear each other perfectly. Staying in time is a whole other issue. Vince is so far off when they use vocal delay, they're completely off the grid. The Rolling Stones (not a fan)are like 250 years old, no tracks. There are countless rock acts touring that are not using tracks. Nobody can argue that rock acts playing to clicks COMPLETELY sucks the life and feel out of almost every song. Perfect example is the breakdown in Live Wire, and also Home Sweet Home. And I'm not convinced Tommy even plays the piano intro.All this aside, you do make some valid points, especially that it would be a disaster without them.
@@mixhits9306 Motley managed make it all through the 80's playing stadiums and arenas with no tracks or click. But honestly this is less backing tracks than many use.
@@CordScott I'm one of MC's biggest fans, and I had the opportunity to play shows with them on the strip in the 80s. But alas, the 80s were a very long time ago. Do you honestly think they sound good now? John 5 is an excellent guitarist, but he's too good for this tour. He's lacking the soul of MM.
Its not the show that sucks its the voice that sucks. I m pretty damn sure Mick and Tommy dont need anything. Vince and Nikki...are the ones who probably use it . they need all the help they can get
@@chriswilgus165 I will say that the show is pretty boring these days. The video and pyro, etc. are all cool, but they're literally walking around aimlessly. Tommy does work his ass off though!
So basically this is click bait and they’re not exposed! Everybody knows this is how big rock shows are produced.
Got me 🚨🚔👮 but I'd have to disagree that everybody knows how it works. There is so much that goes into programming and running a playback system. I'd dare to say it's the most stressful job on the tour. I know my stomach is in knots for 90 minutes each night.
@@mixhits9306 lol
@@TroyShaw Appreciate you!
Click Track Bait
I know that is true I was in a church group and they used the same thing so they could get les skilled or missing instruments in sync
Appreciate you 🙏
Damn, I just missed it. There were 669 comments before mine.
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Established bands have used canned backing vox going back to the mid 80s,Trouble was it was pretty obvious back then and was triggered typically by the keyboard player or the sound engineer if they didn’t use keys…
I would say a few established bands. And back then it would be because they couldn't have a choir, string section, etc. on stage with them. Thanks for watching!
@@mixhits9306 lol, you're lost then if you assume it wasn't WIDELY used back then.
@@danielfair4675 Just scrolling through your playlist of live shows, there's only one group that's using playback. Bet you can't guess who it is. And being only one group out of that playlist, I wouldn't say widely.. Thanks for watching, and commenting!!
The take away is Vince SHOULD be lip syncing … 🤣🤣🤣. It is smart to program the settings for guitar distortion automatically and take away the guess work
I still have no idea why people would pay money to see bands like motley crue or kiss in todays age.. lol ...
I think many concert-goers feel it takes them back to simpler times. MC and KISS are two of my favorite bands of all time.
I think there is a difference between using tracks to enhance a performance and having tracks replace musicianship.
Clearly, if you watch the video - this goes beyond just music - they have lights, video, and special effects all synced to the music. If you didn't have that - it would take an army of people to coordinate and ticket prices would be even higher. I actually think there's an art to a drummer being able to play to a click but make it seem like they are not.
There are some backing vocals yet I believe they have backup singers so I'm not sure what that is all about - and some extra guitar so I guess you can take some "points" of their performance but I don't think using tracks in general is so bad. They are still playing.
Nobody said they were not playing or singing. This is just a look at the rig they use to make their show happen! Have a fantastic day and Thank You!
@@mixhits9306 Got it! Great overview - I think it's amazing that they use two computers to run a show like that
@@johnpinna Thanks for being one of the good guys John! There are some really great videos out there that show the full functionality and just how complicated these rigs can be. Here's one example tinyurl.com/yn6txam8 Have a great day!
Why hasn't MC sued VN for that atrocity he calls "vocals"?
It would be interesting to know how bands like Maiden were doing the big shows with pyro without all this tech
Everything was done manually. 🤘
@@mixhits9306 That's what I was implying. 👍
Or Queen Live at Band Aid without their own engineering equipment?
Maiden doesn’t use any tracks!
Maiden is a different kind of creature, I started seeing them live around 1980 and they are just ridiculously good. No idea what tech they use now.
Too much shit going on... Hella confusing. But now its being discussed heavily because of Motley trying to take Micks share by saying he quit and couldnt keep up anymore. But they were turning his amp down and filling in with tapes i.e. the computer ....and now theyre cranking the new guys amp. Im frustrated right along with Mick on this one. I honestly dont think Nikki Sixx can really play bass all that well either. His live playing almost always doesnt match his hands.
Many classic acts use backing tracks during their Concerts. People are use to hearing songs as they are on the radio. In concert you can't multi-layer your own vocals. No, it is not cheating.
Have a sook crunt, you going to do a video under a blanket and tell people to leave motley a lone 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@firesideshats It doesn't matter if it is motley crue, Kiss, Heart, Journey, or even Lita Ford. They all play backing tracks.
@@firesideshats I like your style mate hahaha 😂🇦🇺🍻
They've been using backing tracks since 1989 and Mick knows it... But it's actually called "Sequences"... And Almont every mayor live act use this things... The Who and Pink Floyd did it first... There's no secret at all about this...
thats just how live music works and unless you are only into small punk bands every band you like is doing it.
@@orangemonkey500P2What's the point? Did you read my statement well? It's obvious that I Know how it works... Your must answer directly to the RUclipsr... Not to me
They are called backing tracks. You can use the sequences terms loosely as DAWs were referred to as sequencers. The term was changed as sequencers moved from hardware to software and started to incorporate audio. The term for the entire hardware/software solution is a "Playback Rig" and The DAW used here is Digital Performer. Digital Performer uses "chunks" to play the individual "song" or "sequence." It's not presented as a secret, it's showing how it's used so they can put on the show of this scale, but alas, they are using vocal, guitar "backing tracks." Thanks Jacob, hope you have a great day!
@@orangemonkey500P2 No, not every band I like is doing it. Sorry.
That's right and completely accurate @@mixhits9306 Great Answer. Have a good day you too
This seems legit... and also how it is done these days by the smallest club bad to the most major touring acts..... I'm in a duo doing cover songs.... this is how we do it.
We did it back in the mid-1980s. Playing covers like ZZTops Legs, T Heads burnin down the house, Rush-New world man, etc. Just a click-track to the drummer's headset to stay in time with the sequencers.
@@markjtapply We started playing with a click and a sequencer back in the early to mid 90's, and were pretty much the most hated band in our local circuit because of it - amongst other bands anyway. The clubs and people seemed to love it...
I have no issue with that the glaring issue is Vince cant sing or talk without being winded let along get through any of the songs remotely close to normal. It's embarrassing and the fans are being ripped off by that alone. Imagine what they could be if he got his sh#t together and was actually able to perform
You're absolutely right. I've said in previous comments that it's unfortunate that the vocalist has such a delicate instrument, and age is never kind. Add different forms of abuse and not work on keeping that instrument in the best shape you can, and you end up with this. Thank you for watching! 🙏
@@mixhits9306 Just saw Brett Michaels on 3/25 and wow what a difference compared to VN. At 60 he was more then impressive in on stage presence and singing. This is what you want in a show as a fan. So glad I got to go to this one.
@@erici9025 Even Stephen Pearcy is sounding pretty good as of late!. Thanks for commenting Eric!
In the first verse for Shout did Vince say hit u with a rock , chick fil a?
That would be hilarious for a parody video by someone who can match Vince's style
I can't think of a single band who doesn't use backing tracks. Who cares. They are awesome
There are a ton of bands not using backing tracks, and you can't think of one?
The click track, patch changes, and similar features are fine. Pre-recorded drums, vocals, guitars for "live" rock concerts are embarrassing and unacceptable. What a clownshow.
Very cool! Anyone who knows anything about music knows these guys are still playing to the click. There’s nothing wrong with playing to some backing. U2 and many others have done it. It keeps things tight, full and in sync and actually gives more freedom to solo and Improvise
Absolutely right! Thanks for watching!
I play to a click live and we don't even have tracks!
If I don't, I don't have the pull to keep the guitar from speeding up. He's a shredder and so am I. We get carried away and then we're up ten bpm.
@@danlc95 I had a drummer that refused to play to a click because............ he couldn't 🤦♂
@@mixhits9306 - Ha! Well, I was that guy when I was 18 (1994)!
@@danlc95 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I believe Mick about getting screwed out of money and then he tells the rest of the band has been doing a MILLI VANILLI on tour after they are charging outrageous ticket prices!!
I believe him as well #teammickmars
Almost everyone uses backing tracks. No big deal.
Thank you for the invaluable insight. 🤘
What language is Vince Neil singing??????
Their music isn't complicated enough to justify technology like this. Look at Rush, Dream Theater, Yes, Genesis, etc. That's music one would assume needs "assistance," but it's played live. Everything is done by the band, or with the help from crew triggering extra effects (only because the band members are at their live performing limits, playing 2, 3, maybe 4 different things at once). But they don't rely on things like this. To me, it's a sign that they just can't do it naturally anymore. Like KISS. Sad, but true. I like the Crüe, but not like this. It's unnatural.
Great comment, and very well said!!! Thank you for watching!! 🙏
its not about how hard the song is, it's about how "full" it is and perfect you can make it sound. 90 percent of bands use them to some degree
@@earld158- Right?
It's because they just can't pull the stuff off like they used to.
When I joined my band there were three conditions.
1. I will not ever with with Chuck Alkazian ever again.
2. I will not be part of a band that uses backing tracks in any capacity.
3. I will not allow for over-produced recordings. I don't want the music saturated with sonic pixelation like the legions of generic Octane bands do. Most of them sound just like one another unless you get a random A7X song in there..
We're a three piece and I'm sure they would help but we soldier on naturally.
Rush, Dream Theatre, Yes, Genesis - every note played entirely live? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Rush in particular became very heavy users of keys, sampling, sequencers in the 80's to the point where Alex Lifeson felt the Guitar was getting pushed too far into the back of their musical landscape. Rush may have triggered most things live but there are huge sections of songs, for example on Power Windows that are created with & can only be played by a sequencer. Yes -- their biggest hit which I guess must be Owner Of A Lonely Heart? The most recognisable part of that song is a keyboard/sampler based fill that was created with & could only be played by a sequencer... Have respect for the creativity & hard work these artists have put into writing these amazing, timeless SONGS & stop talking ignorant rubbish about how they choose to reproduce their music live. Their art, their choice.. 👍
@@drainaudio Ignorant rubbish? Try reading what I wrote. Yes, it was done live triggered by the musicians themselves. I said that. There's a HUGE difference between using synths, sequencing, and triggers, as compared to playing to an entire tape for an entire performance.
It is an expensive puppet show. If that is what YOU want.. GO GET IT. It's your money
Seriously. This isn't anything new. I've seen them live on every tour since the Shout at the Devil when they opened up for Ozzy In the early days they were so sloppy and rough live so you new they were actually playing When they got together with Bob Rock on Feel-good every about their sound changed and they took those tools on the road and it's been a part of every tour dating back the the Dr Feel-good tour. If you go back that far you'll notice that's about the time Vince started to struggle with the words and it's progressively gotten to the point it is today. I feel bad for Mick because he's been playing his ass off while dealing with an incurable disease for over 30 years and his band mates have been bailing on him the entire time. Zero support when things got bad.
Thank you for your comment. That is pretty much spot on!
@@mixhits9306thank you. And thanks for setting shit straight. I used to absolutely love the Crue in the early but man they have just become that parody that they've always made fun of and Nikki really needs to to humbled because his ego is out of control.
@@saulshine1969 Spot on, brother!! 🙏
@@saulshine1969 Agreed 💯🤘🔥🤘
As a singer with a sense of pride in a performance I know when I’m below my best,so what am I gonna do to get back there…?..stop doing the things that got me below par..I wouldn’t except to get any money for a gig..I would not get in front of a microphone in the first place..a good athlete doesn’t play if the coach says you’re not fit enough..the only thing that disappoints me as much as this is the people who pay stupid money and apologises for these posers…
I was listening to this song on YT and it was obvious that there were 2 (or more) guitars, but I gave them the benefit of a doubt because some live acts do have a second guitarist behind the stage, but the thing that 100% gave it all away were those SMALL snippets of "SHOUT! SHOUT! ". That broke the deal because it was obvious they were not singing that little part. But kudos to Mars who made it all look sooo obvious! LOL He just didn't give a fudge :D What a legend!
See, if they are THAT lazy to sing along 1 word - that one word bitchslapped them and hard!
Appreciate you !!
As a pro drummer I can say I’ve done this a thousand times! Everybody does this! I’ve done it in all types of gigs! Stadium, festivals, clubs, cruise ships, weddings you name it! It’s standard fare. Band and vocals are live but click runs, with backing vocals/ effects, horns, percussion etc is run through tracks. This is no scandal it’s standard!!
Well Tim, Breaking News! Nobody said it wasn't standard, nobody said it's not done at Stadiums, Clubs, Cruise Ships, Weddings, 6th Grade Talent Shows... As a pro music director, I can say I've done this a thousand times easily. This is SIMPLY a look at the software MC uses. Nothing more.
@@mixhits9306 I understand that and it’s very interesting but your title suggests otherwise; that it’s a shock and they got caught doing something that is wrong, and it implies nobody else is doing this. which is not the case. As you and I both know, so That’s why I posted the comment that I did. Cheers
I don’t care I’ve seen Crüe 3 times in the 80’s and once in ‘91 and it was amazing. The most unbelievable lights,pyro and strippers dancing on the stage I’ve eve seen. So what if they do or did. They are a rock icon!
Their shows are amazing. This playback rig in the video is what actually makes that all happen. Rock on brother! 🤘
I say them in O5 when Motörhead opened for them. I left about 20 minutes after Motörhead finished.
lol
Well, damn… I’m proud of myself then for playing everything live when I was in a band. We were a 3-piece and would routinely get complimented for sounding like a 5-piece!
Does Vince not know the lyrics to his own songs?
totally cheating lol. sad imo. they really should consider having Vince lip sync if they need to cheat this much anyway lmao.
At this point.... yes
@@mixhits9306 If the guys were more honest about this and stop doubling tripling etc.. down that they do not use all this, I would at least have more respect for them.
Motley, welcome to the 21st century, nobody said this is actual cheating - it was you guys who called it that!
@@judas_saves Spot on! This is exactly like KISS, where Gene Simmons berated groups for using tracks, and now they are doing the exact same, but denying it. The difference is they are actually using tracks with Paul's lead vocal.
Ya.. it looks like they’ve made a monster out of it. It’s not natural
I don't know what Vince Neil was babbling about.
There’s rumors floating around that it’s the Illuminati initiation ritual 😂
My guess is that Vince didn't know either.
Rick Wakeman: "I'm not worried that I have no idea what Jon's lyrics are about. I am a bit worried that Jon doesn't know either."
....I've been a fan since '85, it's not a big deal they use backing tracks, alot of acts do that now. But this is what I mean about the computer age, when the older generation embraces the technology, they're scrutinized to the hilt. Make up your minds computer geeks! It's still fun to go watch a concert Live, instead of hiding in your mom's basement and finding something to bitch about. I think it's Kool Motley Crue is still performing at their age. They're still fun to watch.....
Tommy, Nikki, and Mick put on an amazing show. I think it's great that Vince shows up for that 90 minutes. But to be fair, and as I've said many times here, the vocalist does indeed have a very delicate, deteriorating instrument. That's tough for anyone.
Backing tracks are tracks that have instruments being played that aren't being played live, and the audience hears these kinds 9f tracks. Having a guitar or bass go through a computer that does all the foot-pedal work instead of the musician is *_NOT_* a backing track.
Forgive me, but I'm thoroughly confused now
@@mixhits9306 that's probably because either you're making videos about things that you obviously don't understand or even know what they are, or you're intentionally misleading people just to increase the amount of views you get. Either way, you're doing the music industry a great disservice by putting out videos like this.
@@gothicbagheera I guess I should quit building, programming, and running these systems then. Thanks for being my guidance counselor 🙏
@@mixhits9306 you should probably learn what a backing track actually is, and if you already know.what one is, then you should probably stop deceiving people to click on your video by claiming a band uses backing tracks when they in fact do not. The audio that goes into a band memeber's earpiece is either a monitor mix or a cue track. The monitor mix is the live audio that's processed through the monitor, allowing the band memebers to hear what the others are playing/singing easier and clearer in the extremely noisy environments of live shows. A cue track is a vocal rendition of an individual band memeber's internal thoughts they would use to stay on time, and almost always is nothing more than counting in time with the beat of a song. Both are completely different than a backing track, whch is prerecorded audio of instruments that are fed to the audience with the audio of the live performance, giving the appearance that there are instruments being played by people off stage along with the ones on stage, when in reality there are only the ones on stage. Some bands do use prerecorded backing tracks of any given song they're playing live for the audio sent through their earpiece, but the examples you provided in this video for what Mötley Crue hears is nothing close to that.
@@gothicbagheera You need to do some research or pay more attention. Motley Crue one billion percent has guitars, drums, background vox, and additional tracks that are fed to FOH (that's Front of House, which the audience hears) I've probably forgotten more than you'll ever know about this subject. I do it for a living and do it very well. If you feel as if you've been betrayed, go back to making EPA videos. I've been nothing but nice to people here and had adult conversations, but you're the first person I'm about to delete and block. Merry Christmas 🎄
First off it's called playback. Second look up a single phone video from the latest tour and it's *very easy* to tell it's truly live
Playback... Hmmm, I'll have to look that up as well since I'm not very well-versed in it. Thank you for your comment 🤘
I'm not believing a single thing... This guy doctored this up somehow
🤣🤣🤣 Ask Nikki or Tommy who Viggy Vignola is. Side note: The world is flat, and we never landed on the moon. Thanks for watching!
@@mixhits9306 we didn't land on the moon. But this is bad.
@@ericandrews1661 🤫🤫
And vince won't cum in your mouth!🤣👌
@@derekpierkowski7641 😂😂😂
It's real Mick is going to talk about it .
Tommy Lee gave it away when his hi hats started counting on their OWN !
Wow wish I had hi hats like that.
Honestly, I don't think there's much about this that Mick can expose. Honestly, most people know, and Nikki has even said they have been using tracks for a LONG time. Now I believe he could expose the inner workings and dynamics of the personalities, how they got along the last few years, and the rumor that he was maybe kicked out as opposed to retiring.
@@mixhits9306 yeah maybe your right ,guess we'll see.
Vince is terrible and J5 looks out of place.
@@saulhudson302 I think J5 is a phenomenal guitar player; I just think he's too good and too clean for MC
@@mixhits9306 J5 kills it , he should leave them
As far as the not having to hit the pedalboard, that’s the guitar, bass, drum , and sound board techs job nowadays! They know the cues, and are paid well to do it so they sound the way they’re supposed to, while giving freedom!! Try doing it yourself!!!!stomp here, here, here, back to here!!!!
Thank you for the valuable insight! 🙏
What are you taking about?! Plenty of bands play live and stomp on their own boards. Click track keeps the timing with lights and pyro, but there’s no excuse for not playing live to it! Crüe are too rich to care!
@@KenKellySWFL Exactly
A Lot of Bands are doing that these days. it would be almost imposible to get stage lights pyrotechnics to sync otherwize. that is part of the "Show" . Guitar Techs have been changing guitar pedals during live performaces for decades.
I 100% agree that a lot of bands are doing it. I actually help them do it by building, programming, and running their playback rig. Thanks for stopping by, Ken!! Take care!
I dont know they are possibly cheating and still able to sound this bad. The Crue have been washed up for over 25 years
It can be very hard to play with backintracks or click. Tried myself and its demanding.
It is very difficult, and there are things that can go wrong for 90 minutes straight. People don't realize what it takes to put on a show like this.
So, are they still using backing tracks with John 5 in the band?
Yes. Most of the background vocals, if not all are tracks, as well as other elements.
I'd prefer backing tracks to Vince's real voice