Invincible Goes Back in Time and Stops Omni Man - Full Story
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- The comic is Invincible by Robert Kirkman
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Mark missing five years wasn't a consequence of his desire to return to his family, it was a consequence of the creature stranding him in the first place.
wrong, he went to the pass so again he could redo all of that regain his family
@@SlavicWeapons He was not given a choice to go and redo stuff, he was just there... but things did not unfolded as expected, after doing things 'right', his GF ex boyfriend never dies, they never become a couple and such... he did not spend weeks on the past, was like months.. he anticipated lots of stuff.. if I remember correctly...and due to "space continuum" shenanigans when it took him "back " it was 5 years, but in theory ...maybe was all on his head, a simulation of sorts, and he stayed in stasis all those years ..while his wife was banging that 'Dude'... This stuff never came back alter, so probably was kind of a side story that they did not know how to take advantage of off.. To be fair, At this point of the series, invincible was pretty stagnant and need it a wrap..
@@LockHeadAC103 Nope.. some forgotten plot that never came back... that was the most frustrating of them all.
yeah, but if you know the future, u know eve's bf is a cheater, you can prove the ex doesnt really love her. Then one could assume after comforting and giving eve time to think about how the future would be better with mark, since they have a daughter together, that she would try all over again with mark. @@migovas1483
he literally could fix it to be a better version of the future if he tried hard enough. he just let the pressure and emotions get to him. @@migovas1483
If Mark doesn't tell his dad "we need to talk" when the show adapts this story, I'll be really mad that they missed out on such an opportunity
yeah me too
*Nolan deleting his internet history at Mach speed*
I hope they don’t use this one tbh. I hate time travel in stories.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 But nothing really changes here. It perfectly sums up what Invincible wants to do right now. The choice is what matters. I do love time travel though so idk screw you I guess.
@@jaegerwhatifs4679I can maybe see them doing it as an in between seasons special, *IF they get that far, since I don't see them spending 5 years (in universe, multiple episodes) in the past just for it not mean anything in the long run
The scene after Nolan was captured really stuck with me on why he's such an intriguing character. Hearing him actually admit that deep down he did truly care for the Guardians of the Globe as his friends was really sad when you consider how much he constantly tried to push those feelings down. Nolan's betrayal not only lead to devastating consequences for his family, but also genuine friendships he built with the people around him despite him never fully admitting it. It shows that his murder of the Guardians did affect him and as much as he tried to deny it, it was really hard for him to do when he finally reached his breaking point of all the betrayals he committed in his final battle with Mark.
You can kind of see it in the show, how he never denies that they were his friends when Cecil confronts him. He says they were weak, but never disputes it. And when Cecil admits that he feels just as betrayed as Debbie, Nolan's face softens a little bit. As though he were genuinely surprised a man like Cecil, wary and closed off, considered him a friend. Cecil even says "I know you didn't do it for the hell of it. Want to get it off your chest?" Nolan hesitates for a bit, before continuing his attack.
Nolan's idea of mercy is to do it quickly, so that they aren't brutally accosted by Viltrumite forces and fight a doomed battle.
It makes him a very compelling antagonist, and shows the ultimate failure of the Viltrumite Empire. It's a surprisingly humanist message, that even the most devoted vultrumite such as Nolan can suscept to his love and attachments to the point where it outweighs his devotion to conquering Earth.
Men huh 😂
The eulogy he gave them wasn't fake no one believed omni man was a traitor for a reason
i genuinely believe he could have killed the guardians with much less effort if he wanted to kill them but he simply didn’t
Mark could’ve also prevented the Viltrumite war by telling Nolan that they’re descendants of Argall so the Viltrumites would’ve sided with Nolan over Thragg after they test his DNA.
it wasn't revealed yet.
@@medievalwebman2917 Yeah it was, Nolan already was emperor when Mark went back in time so he does have knowledge of his lineage. So when other Viltrumites come to Earth to check on the progress Mark can just prove he’s descends from Argall.
@@arfhat89 That would have just led to a bloodier and more destructive civil war if it was all revealed much earlier when Nolan and mark were also both much weaker than when they actually deposed Thragg in the original timeline.
@@Noobie2k7doesn’t matter they followed Argaill for wisdom not strength
@@vibingbob1846 Utterly irrelevant.
You can't blame invincible. That creature didn't send him back in time and created a new timeline. It reset the current one, because if that was a new timeline then the creature could just take him back and preserve the good one. That creature is probably the strongest character in invincible and yet why did it act like ti did? You can't trust it, and even if you did, how do you know it's not just an illusory alien?
That creature gave Mark a choice: Save the lives of millions of people at the cost of your happiness and family or be happy with your wife and kid, but millions of people will die.
well he did save the entire universe as the new Emperor of the viltrumites saving billions of lives in every galaxy.@@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo
@@nanaiahmanoj6774And he could have done so easier and with less death.
@@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo yes, and I think that episode really gave us a better understanding of mark's character. But in-lore it's so fishy. Could be that it can only go back in time once, maybe it's a parasite, maybe it's a god evaluing mark's morals, maybe this was the creature's work and it got mad because it failed, maybe it was a game for the creature and it got mad because the toy wanted to escape. Who knows
@hal9733 this reminds me of the superman episode ...for the man who has everything
Imagine leaving your wife and baby daughter alone for a quick recon mission with your half brother. Than an alien god kidnaps you and sends you back in time forcing you to choose between the existence of your daughter and (technically also his brother) and lifes of millions, and when you don't do as it's commanding you it makes you miss 5 years of your daughter's life.
I mean, if you get into super hero business, the first thing you should know is that you'll have to make big sacrifices. Otherwise you're a poor excuse for one. Mark couldn't have predicted all this, but he clealry decided that it was worth to put his own family in danger when he created one
It's like the ending of PS4 Spider-Man, but Peter decides "Screw the city. I want my Aunt May." It's just bad.
@@yasininn76familial bound saved invisible and maybe the wider universe. Even in the altered time line it was important. Invincible’s experience would never let him walk away from family.
@@HellNutcaseSo basically One More Day
More like trillions
They better take their sweet time adapting EVERYTHING from the comics to the series, this is brutal
Including how he was , ahem... give up his seed for the vultrum empire?
@@migovas1483Especially that
@@ericthered2963Yeah I think the topic and how both Mark and Eve dealt with it was a testament to how strong their love for eachother is.
@@kennethsatria6607 idk man their love felt forced in the end after he was “dead” for 5 yrs and they only got back together because of terra. Well that was my observation
So the guardians was always able to beat Omniman, they just needed to go all out from the very start
and plus hte element of suprise gone.
wait really? that's not what I heard about the comics, I heard it wasn't a close fight, and omniman took the guardians out ez unlike in the adaptation
@@Haunt888He killed them instantly without any difficulty, only Immortal saw him before he got decapitated.
They had to probably make a game plan to win. Green Ghost being the key player in causing disorientation in Nolan where the others can attack. Originally Nolan killed Green Ghost before they could react.
@@Haunt888I hears it was to make Omni man look strong when in reality it made the gurdians look weak
That was such a good plot twist, this writer has talent
I think the story ha potential, but I feel they did not know how to carry on with it, and left it behind.. other than the 5 years jump, nothing really happened.. was super weird. Could have create some 'time repercussions' with it, but didn't.. they just resumed the status .
Its like filler. Gives nothing
I didn't like it, it felt stupied tbfr
Imo while i like the idea it's easily the most random thing to happen in the story
Some alien show up, traps Mark into a new timeline, then later rambles about mark's choice on saving lifes and then send him back 5 years later. We never got to know that creature nor its motives
Felt like both an inside joke (this arc is called Reboot after all) and an excuse to time skip
@VITAS874
But sometimes, a good bag of potato chips can even fill a belly. It compliments the main dish.
Invincible is and always will be one of my most favorite if not favorite series. Shame the ending was so rushed. But the whole story and arcs like this are what made it above and beyond any other series.
i love the first sentence of this comment
Kirkman loves a rushed ending 😔
@@m8j8s77or a meandering ending, Twd went on too long.
I don’t think the ending was especially rushed. Sure, the extended epilogue at the end went very quickly, but other than that, I don’t see any pacing issues
I enjoyed the ending. Tied up most loose ends imo, enough to leave little to nothing up to the imagination of the readers. My Favourite series along side a Manhwa called - “Solo Leveling” incredibly great read but severely suffered a rushed conclusion, much like Game of Thrones but not as devastating lol.
Something I do hope the show brings up when they get here: the fact that if Mark stops Nolan, Oliver is never born.
He could have gotten back with Eve and got his family back in a better future.
but he preferred have a daughter than a son with eve that's why he wanted to get back to his time
weirdo @@nanaiahmanoj6774
thats not how having children works.
he would have to remember the day he had sex with eve.. doesnt mean the same sperm will become his current daughter.. a butterfly effect will always be there
It wouldn’t be Terra anymore
He could get with Eve again but Terra wouldn’t exist even if Eve got pregnant again
Intelligence conquers strength if used right. Good job invincible
I implore you all: do not let this be the only way you experience this story. Please read this issues. However great Tsaava is at recapping (and he is), don’t experience this story secondhand! Invincible is an incredible read
I was just commenting somewhere else that it was a lot of the artwork that turned me off. But this was one of the better ones
Honestly the story went on way longer then it needed to and the ended was meh
@hannibalrasberry4188 true. It's good so far the show is skipping alot of the dead weight the comic had.
He's not good at recaping, he asks ChatGPT to do it for him, then he makes an AI read the text out loud. Easiest job in Earth.
@@manthe3711Funny how people don't realize it's an AI voice lol
Either way Mark is destroying an entire timeline and an infinite number of people who could have existed in one timeline or the other given how wide-reaching his actions are.
Wouldnt have been an issue if the alien didnt decide to play god with a random hero's life
@@kennethsatria6607 You'd think such a being could just stop Omni-Man itself but I guess its two lazy or something idk.
in all fairness there is infinite timelines
so this will happen infinite times and infinitly not
@@kennethsatria6607
@@SuperPal-tr3go I friggin know right!? It just uneccesarily caused greif on Mark's life and family seperating him from his wife and daughter he had no hesitation of being happily married and retired with.
Much as some people for some reason thought mark was scared of being a father and ran from responsibility, which is just incorrect.
@@SuperPal-tr3go The way I often conceptualise these kinds of beings (outside of presuming it's mind fuckery) is that the reason they can have such immense power is because they have given up or are denied autonomy in it's use. The creature can offer essentially any possibility but needs significant or at the least independent third parties to realise those possibilities.
It makes no actual sense but it's a cool notion and frankly nothing in magic/super powered settings makes sense so rule of cool works for me :P
This was a plot hole in the comics. The time skip didnt really affect the overall story. Or the fact that he missed 5 years with his family. The blue alien thing was never mentioned again. It mentioned some kind of doom that never happened. It was never really looked into. What kind of loving father and husband wouldn't want to go back to his family. I mean, yeah, he could have prevented a lot of destruction amd saved tons of people. But, in that universe, theres no telling what kind of chaos that can lead to if there is any. He would still have needed to go through a lot of the fights and stuff. Not justifing it, just all those major threats will still be there. Even if he had more time to properly deal with it
Take it like this, sure he knew of some of the major threats beforehand, but considering the fact that most of them were dealt with in his original timeline then it doesn't make sense to fight them again.
For example, even if he knew about his father's motives, he still nearly died trying to fight and reason with him. What's to say he won't die trying to do the same for the rest of his enemies?
Also, he wouldn't be able to reform the relationship with Eve again, there's too much chance for a relationship to form and even if he had, other factors based on chance and or circumstances like them having their daughter might not occur again, despite his prior experience and knowledge, that wouldn't help him.
It helped with character development
That opinion right there is bs. "yes he could've saved a lot of people, like, A LOT OF PEOPLE, but they all could've died eventually yknow" what kind of dumb reasoning is that
Funnily enough that universe has been time reset and altered multiple times by other characters without Mark or most anyone else being aware of it. The universe/multiverse of Invincible is also the one of Spawn and the Darkness/Angelus/Witchblade IP's, hell we even see some of those characters fighting evil Invincibles in the Invincible War event (just single panels but still). This means that every universe/time altering event from those series is canon to Invincible.
If I remember right, this was never anything more than Kirkman's thoughts on the One More Day storyline because that story was nothing but a spit in the face of Spider-Man fans, or really, any concept of canon or character development.
I love how in invincible you can get stabbed by a hand and be good the next two days. No joke I actually really do think that’s awesome.
Same it scratches an itch left by how short the goku vs vegeta arc was before frieza became an issue
These viltrumite gene be doing miracles. It's not even the worst injury mark recieced
I like how mark know he can't take out omi man on his own
I mean it was when he first got powers
They get stronger with time so he stood no chance really
I can't picture many men. That would want to take out their own father regardless of circumstance
I can’t blame Mark for wanting to go back. My family is everything for me.
Was it ever explained why Mark couldn't have just... had his family again in this better timeline? Like this isn't a Spiderman situation, he lost his family yes, but he prevented thousands of heartbreaks that he and millions of others would've experienced, and he still has years to fall in love with Eve again, or hell, find someone else to fall in love with and have a family with.
A family, mind you, that won't be constantly put under threat from outside forces, and will be able to experience greater peace and happiness because now the Earth doesn't need Invincible on call to prevent that week's invasion/apocalypse.
I won't lie, I would've responded the exact same way the alien did. He got given a chance to fix everything, to undo so many tragedies, but then threw it away for what feels like a really petty and minor reason. "I'd rather sacrifice thousands of families, earth's future, and the happiness of my own parents and friends, because I'm afraid I won't have a wife and daughter in this reality.'
Just... wow. And on top of this, this does also technically mean that everything that happens going forwards is what Mark chose. He chose to go through all the tragedies and stuff that awaits him in the future. He won't have people like the Guardians of the Globe to help him with them. He'll have to once again face them with little support and put his life on the line again. And risk dying, again. Just because he wanted to see his daughter, again.
You could say it's 'the power of love' or whatnot, but it genuinely just feels foolish and illogical. His daughter means more to him than the Guardians, than his parents, than his friends. All of his friends. Ones who wouldn't have died or been made to suffer in this timeline. Hell, even Eve herself would've had a far better life in this version, so in that regard, he's committing the greatest sin. He'd rather she suffers and be his wife, than be happy and POSSIBLY not want to be his girlfriend.
I'm sorry but... I think if you truly loved someone, you'd want them to be happy, even if they're not with you.
@@jacobraines64 I guess its more that the author failed to show the repercussions on Marks mental side.
To tell someone to fall in love again after being a widow is harsh, not to mention giving him the choice to return also means if he has to choose to kill his actual daughter & everyone else from his past timeline.
Compare this alien's outlook to what Omniman initially said to Mark when the truth happened that left Mark bloody on the ground.
And see how easily it mixes, and such a decision would be the same as what Viltrum did with their great purge.
(snipping a few parts cuz I can't remember it all)
That's why we're here...
To keep them from falling into the worse timeline
To show them how wrong they all are.
How pointless all their actions are.
And that they can be apart of something bigger
Or Die.
What's 17 more years.
You can always start again
Make another kid.
Why did you make me do this.
You're denying this so you can watch everyone around you die.
Think Mark Think.
What will you have after 500 years.
The answer would be everything good and bad that happened to him in the bad timeline, including his friends, his daughter, his wife, his brother and so on that lived every waking second of his past life beside him shoulder to shoulder and comforting him. He'd have fellow companions as a human, not devout listeners to a god.
This honestly is too cruel of a decision and I'm not even diving into the loads of other issues that Mark would encounter of having a time shift. Aka Chaos/Butterfly Theory.
@@jacobraines64 I think its cruel that he cannot have both. Save that timeline and preserve what he treasures in his own. Getting sent back is a choice made for him only to be met with an impossible choice afterwards. I get that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few but, it sucks to be put in that crappy position IMO.
@@jacobraines64you can’t fix everything without having something break in the end. Everyone should know that going to the past and fixing everything is only going to
Open up a new situation that can end badly. And even then. Mark already has a family that he does not want to abandon. Even if he gets back with Eve, he’s still losing that kid he’s fought so hard for. And I get the whole argument about “letting thousands of people die and be killed” argument, but that was probably going to happen anyway. And mark makes up for it in the future by expanding the viltrumite empire, and bringing peace to all the galaxies. That probably wouldn’t have happened if he went back. It’s a guaranteed future that mark brings peace, while it’s not guaranteed if he went back trying to fix everything
@@jacobraines64Mark explains that there's no guarantee that his daughter would still exist in this new timeline. And that's a risk he wasn't willing to take.
How do we know he really was sent into the past or sent to another timeline? Seems to me the alien had him trapped in an illusion or simulation for 5 years.
As far as we know he was genuinely sent into the past. Evidence against him simply being trapped in an illusion/simulation for five years includes:
1) He didn't experience 5 years of time passing in the past, only a few weeks or months.
2) When he awoke on the alien planet afterwards he hadn't grown any facial hair, which would have happened if his body was just lying unconscious on the cave floor for a prolonged period of time. This happened when he spent months in a coma healing after having his guts torn out by Conquest.
3) Mark would have died of dehydration and starvation if his body had been lying in the cave unattended for 5 years while his mind was trapped in an illusion/simulation. Viltrumites still need to eat and drink to survive. When he was in a months long coma after getting his guts torn out by Conquest, his father and brother fed him the juices and blood of alien wildlife to keep him alive.
6:45 the ai said batwing but the hero's name is dark wing.
I can't wait for this to be animated one day, and I'll bet they'll make the fight better instead of a total lost for Omni Man
Can Invincible ever catch a break???? As a father of a 6 yr old... shieeet man 💔
Wait until you hear about Spiderman
I hope the series makes it far enough to adapt this storyline. It would be cool to see Mark deal with all of this.
Why even assume what the alien did was real at all?
I mean, I'd be tempted to push the boundaries of the scenario it put him in. Try to go somewhere he "isn't" supposed to be and get involved in something he "isn't" supposed to be involved in. Something it couldn't just dredge up from his memories. See if the story remains coherent or if it's a simulation that breaks down once he wanders outside of people, places and events that would already exist in his memories.
I'd start there before firmly deciding anything.
Good thinking
2:46 and that's how he became a Titan.
I wish I could go back in time and change certain things
Soo many things. Lol
Gotta focus on the future or you'll be chained to the past. Thats kind of the point of mark saying no
@@michaellabonte6390 yea unless they invent a longevity drug, I got far less years ahead than behind.
I would too, but you can't. You gotta make the most out of every circumstance that you're in right now, strive to make better decisions, and move foward.
@@maximumdeejay I am but it doesn’t mean those thoughts come across my mind
Those five years of no father is what messed Terra up in the head subconsciously and inevitably
god i hate this opinion so much
@@tonoornottonoit's funny though
@tonoornottono it's true tho. Having no father figure fucks you up in the head
@@yasininn76 so are people with two moms just fucked for life? the hidden implication is so stupid. of course the more parental figures you have in your life the more supported you will be.
the nuclear family is a broken model for child-rearing. we say “it takes a village to raise a child,” because it does. but the global economy has atomized our lives into these tiny, two-parent homes. you think ONE man and ONE woman raising a child is good enough? that all they need is a guy and a girl and they’ll be perfectly fine?
it’s a false dichotomy- drawing a line between “has a father” and “fatherless” as if “fatherhood” in its modern context is a natural state of being.
children need MORE attention than just two people can give. faith in the nuclear family is faith in a system which inherently exhausts itself. it doesn’t really mean anything to say “a kid needs a father,” because the modern context of fatherhood is completely divorced from the actual attentive needs of a child.
this is way more nuanced than “a baby needs a mommy and a daddy,” and i really think people who emphasize the importance of a dad so much are kinda just taking a roundabout path to justifying homophobia. i’ve heard people say “the biggest problem we are facing today is the fatherlessness epidemic” and it just blows my mind. fatherlessness is a symptom of a broken system, not the cause of one. whatever.
@@yasininn76yeah. No father for all infancy and teenager phase. But mark return when she was 5. I see worst cases and the kids dont result in bad for them. You should touch more grass
Well if the alien god has power to move person back and forth though time , could he not been able to put Mark back to time before he left. It like alien was petty, Mark did do what it wanted, stay in that new timeline, so it brought him back to his original five years later. Punishing him for wanting to be back with his family.
He punished him for being a selfish excuse for a hero. Heroes make sacrifices. The way mark chose to act makes him a bad hero
And whose right is it to dole out punisment? What right does one have to refuse offering a choice, no matter how important, when they have all the time in the universe to let someone decide to make a costly sacrifice? A person who forces sacrifices onto others without care for whats being sacrificed is just a tyrant by another name.
This doesn't even get into the possibility that it wasn't actually turning back time and was just using his memories to pull the wool over his eyes.
@@galaxycamerata agree, he was never asked if he wanted to make changes to the past. He did what he did because he was there. He did not know the reason he was in the past , he did what a hero would do he tried to help because he live through it before. Then you get mad at him when longs for what he left behind. He was force there it was not by choice. The alien has no moral ground to stand on because Mark did not choose to go there change the past and then change his mind. Because Mark did not do what Alien wanted , he sends him back five later in Mark's time. That's petty no matter how you slice it
@@yasininn76I hate when everyone has that narrative of being a little bit selfish makes you a bad hero. Hell I feel like that adds depth to marks character instead of being a boy scout superman arc that always does what’s right. And how the hell would he be selfish? Even if he could
Possibly fix everything, it’s bound to mess up some things in the future, and can possibly make things worse. Which normally happens in time travel scenarios. With the fact that he’ll be abandoning his wife and daughter. Even if he’ll get back with eve it’ll still be different and he wouldn’t have Tara. Mark isn’t perfect but he’s nowhere near a bad superhero just because he decided to stay in the present and not change the past. And what we’ve seen mark do in the future, it seems like he made the right decision
@@suda_liftsalittle ? He willingly let billions die
Holy fuck, if this ever gets animated this is gonna be the most heart wrenching thing to watch.
I love that you use the Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney soundtrack in the background!
You said Cecil like seh•sole, I was ready to type. Then you said Cecil like see•sole and I holstered my fingers
Bruh Eve was right there. Win her over and make the child....duh
It’s a different timeline, he’d still be abandoning Eve and Tera in the other one.
It's not another Timeline it's the future. Those versions cease to exist because he rewrote history
@@notnyce No, I mean if he had stayed in the new timeline, he would have been abandoning the Eve and Tera in original one.
Even if he knocked her , her daughter is the consequences of many things. Is impossible that the new baby will be Terra.
In the same way a man with 40 kids they are not close to be the same .
Her daughter would dissapiar. Never born.
All this is told in the comic also. But many dont read it
@@albertofrankdiaz6664isn’t Terra a rape baby?
Damn the immortal be getting folded even in the alternate timeline 😅😢
This is my favourite arc in invincible. I’ve reread it like 5 times just coming back periodically
I respectfully disagree but I understand that everyone has their own taste so good for you.
I don't understand the whole blaming Mark for selfishly choosing his wife and in the kid in the original timeline over starting over in the alternate timeline and saving millions acting like he did something bad in the original timeline so therefore the alternate timeline is to teach him a lesson and you may argue that this wasn't the case and instead the tentacle thing wanted him to correct the timeline and live in better timeline but the fact that he consciously chose to reject the alternate timeline despite the unforeseen consequences it could have on the universe just to see his wife and kid makes him selfish I dunno I'm 50/50 on that as you could also say he shouldn't be ashamed for his own satisfaction and how the hell he was supposed to know about this whole restoring universe crisis beforehand and why did the creature did not know how much he loved his wife so of course he would choose the timeline in her in it over saving millions unless he was just too rash and if had some time he would have chosen the alternate timeline.
I feel like this one whole thing is just a way for the writers to blame Mark for going after what he wants but I argue that's the beauty and what makes him human and the whole point of invincible is to take us out of the norm in what what normally predict would happen in heroic tv shows like this like Omni Man lied to lots of people about killing the guardians of the globe and being a hero and turnt the show from a generic sappy superhero show to an edy bloodfest that subverted expectations in how we think someone is good until they show otherwise and how it's okay for superhero shows to kick ass even with gore and to balance it out with some good generic superhero moments here and there and I know you may say it's been done before with the The Boys and Punisher Tv show but I feel the self awareness and the uniqueness of this show really helps sell to us to this expectation, surprise us and enjoy it even when it's been done before and feel like it's the same here subverting our expectations that Mark is a perfect superhero who will do what's right which is saving the universe but instead shows he is a flawed human being who will sometimes not always do what's right and if anything sometimes it's okay to put your needs first and the doing what's for the greater good may not be as good as it seems on the surface level.
i'm sorry but the bright creature is right. invincible is a disgrace.
True
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That’s the point. The author of invincible wanted to subvert the classic superhero trope of the hero being a selfless paragon of virtue. Every time a hero faces an alternate reality like this (Superman, Batman, Hulk, Spider-Man, and many others) they have to sacrifice their happiness for the greater good. Mark does the opposite. He chooses to be selfish. He holds on to his daughter and dooms all of those people to die. Was it was a dick move? Yeah. It was. But it’s an excellent plot twist and subversion of our expectations. And through this decision, Mark develops the nerve necessary to defeat Thragg and redeem the Viltrimite Empire. This makes him a more morally ambiguous character, but that development is what allows him to become a great leader. It’s what convinces him to spare Robot at the end of the story. It’s what ultimately makes Mark such a great character.
Throughout the story Mark struggles with the moral challenges of being a hero.
Never killing
Always doing the moral thing no matter how detrimental
Always sacrificing and never getting what he truly wants.
The point of Invincible going back in time is to show that heroes aren’t Gods. Heroes are just people. People make mistakes, are selfish, and often do the wrong thing over the right thing.
That fits Mark to a T. He isn’t a hero he’s just a guy. He had a choice between saving the Billions who died or saving his daughter and Mark chose his daughter.
@@armandvega2752 deep
that's the thing, by choosing this new life he'd be changing the future and saving the earth, but only the earth. His choice actually is what led him to saving the whole entire universe itself
You would think it would be a wake up call that a cosmic being of the universe is calling you a disgrace for your selfishness
Mark chose to be a good husband and father.
@@SuperboyLilly if thats what you call a good husband and father no thank you
@@faviusarthum5038 There's no guarantee that Eve will exist in this new timeline.
Man.. and they say Spider-Man suffers a lot, it’s a no wonder why they met lol. Poor Mark though..
I wouldn’t say mark is a disgrace he’s only human well half human in this case cause who would really sacrifice someone you love so much to save countless lives it would be a pretty difficult choice to make me personally I’d be torn in two about the choice I’d have to ultimately make cause I either get to be with the person I love the most in all of everything or save countless lives it’s a choice that’s balanced on a razors edge neither choice is the right nor the wrong choice to make it’s a matter of perspective and it’s something you need to decide for yourself
Can't really blame anyone here apart from the Alien who tried to act god.
Spider-man could do it. Well, at least Insomniac's Spider-man.
Dude!! The soundtrack choice is 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
I hope they adapt this into the show somehow. Would probably have to be in season 3
Wouldn’t season 3 be early for it bc he went back in time at issue 123 so that means probably the 7-8th season if it gets released
More like season 5 or 6 if we’re lucky
Nah, it’d be way after. We even haven’t got to the Invincible war and Viltrumite war
Lmao 😂your very optimistic
He didn't "decide" to do anything. He was investigating something he honestly shouldn't have and had no way of knowing what would happen.
You know... I guess the real question is if something bad happened again, would the creature force Mark again to go back in time?
Welp everyone died due to the invasion, time to reset your life again.
Welp the virus turned deadly for all sentient life, Reset again.
Whats that? Humans will genocide 5 other galaxies? Reset again.
Whats that Allen's marriage is ruined by Steamed Hams? Reset again.
That kind of experience would turn anyone insane, if it was involuntary.
It would force Mark to become Sisyphus to constantly pushing against the bad of the universe, only for one thing to ruin the batch and back to the cutting board. Since Mark would live for who knows how long.
That is sort of the big reveal in the series “madoka magica”.
Where it turned out that Madoka’s super capable friend was actually a time traveler on a quest to create a timeline, where she and Madoka survive the apocalypse. But no matter what she did, Madoka would always either die during the apocalypse or sacrifice herself to prevent it. This constant time resetting has made her friend mad and effectively Madoka the center of the universe, because as long as she doesn’t survive, the time power will reset the timeline, so she can try again
That alien screwed Mark over by sending him 5 years into the future 😂
your Grasp on english language and presentation has led me to subscribe. It is pleasant to the ear.
If Omniman was captured all he would have to do is take a nap for 100 years
Im not a fan of these ai voices.
Womp womp
Boohoo 😢
Idgaf
Oh boohoo ryan😢
That's how you can easily tell the decline of natural and organic talent...
Even kratos chose to sacrifice his daughter for the greater good...
He didn't care about the others. He didn't want to her disappear again, which means that Elysium need to saved. But this is ONLY for his daughter, not anyone else.
Well, I mean basically he destroyed Greece and thousands of people in gow3.
he didnt "sacrifice" her, he saved her in her afterlife at the cost of his chances on staying with her even for a short time...
Wait wait wait why does Cecil have the mindless soldiers if mark took out the creator before any trouble .
Cecil must've confiscated the data and used it
Mark gave him to Cecil, knowing what will happen.
Maybe should of used the time machine to stop himself from dating Amber 😂
Amber is different in the comics
This was one of my favorite chapters
he's selfish as hell for not staying in the changed timeline
Damn it is a hard thing to swallow imagine being able to avoid future deaths and even give redemptions to those who can't but mark in a way I see why he just wanted his family back, his timeline wasn't q bad future had some bad momenrs but still has good, so I can see why he also wanted to go back to that one
Please do more Invincible 🙏 😁
great music choice
My guess is that the creature was trying to make him not want to leave so it can slowly kill and eat him.
This is weird to say, but... Mark didn't end the cycle of violence. Nolan did, or more accurately, Debbie ended the violence. Even in the original timeline with the train scene.
It's hard to say when exactly this happened, probably offscreen and not all at once. The ideals seeded in Mark from a young age through the love of his father and his idea of him as a superhero that would eventually change Nolan's mind were instilled in a young Mark by a genuinely loving father. Nolan was only able to love Mark this way because of Debbie.
But that's weird, isn't it? Nolan would change Mark's mind about violence without even knowing it. Even though Nolan himself would take decades to catch up.
Bro knew it was a canon event. The whole story is exactly like Persona 3: The Answer. Some things are better off not trying to change, especially the past.
Well this shows how much of nolan's son he truly is. Sacrifing everything you worked for and believed In for your child.
Ahh for the man who has everything
Kinda hypocritical for the time travel creature to call mark a coward and a disgrace when literally it was the one who forced everything and guilt tripped Mark into going back in the past. Thing ruined it’s life and then gets all butthurt when Mark tells it to go back. Stay mad bozo
this whole arc is such a guarma moment
Listen, Tony Stark had to make the same decision in Avengers End Game. You can't honestly blame him, or Invincible. It's unfair. Disagree, but don't blame him for caring about his Daughter.
It’s called being selfless, understand what sacrifice is when you are willing to lay down your own for others
@@adamized210Would you kill your family to stop starvation then?
@@francescopratesi7085That's a pretty extreme, not to mention absurd, proposition. Explain how, exactly, someone killing his family would outright stop starvation, which is a global, multi-layered issue?
@@Ares99999 You missed the whole point but whatever
@tonoornottono if I was a hero, yes, I'd definitely do it. AND face the consequences. That's what's expected of anyone who takes the mantle of hero. (obviously if there was a way to achieve both, but as in idk sacrificing myself, I'd do that)
time travel will always suck for someone. sometimes everyone
I can’t wait till the show gets to the point where Mark gets his mostly black and blue suit
Average father vs son experience when son challenges father
we all are heroes until the moment we need to prove it.
i wouldn't call mark "disgraceful" as the same could be said for anyone, in such a situation, driven by emotions, without taking the time to reflect. still, this really was selfish from him.
The issue with time travel is how it sometimes make mortality and morality hard to feel for.
If you time traveler to save someone...that's somewhat noble...but in some cases...isn't it just a form of escapism for some. To make a world you want where the bad things never happened.
I always find it weird because in this story it's like Mark gets a potential better world but is brought down by the realization that it's not his.
This wasn't his real life. It was his do over. All his consequences and all the things that he faced...are removed. It's like saying he cheated in a sense.
@@rushalias8511 I mean, he still remembers them, so the experience that made him the person he was is still there.
Absolutely everything bad happens to this guy.
Adding a time-travel to a story out of thin air that does not need it just to shut "what if"ers up
I cant see the invincible amazon series going on for years before its cancelled like they usually are
This would be a great finale season for invincible
Seems like this part of the plot was excuse to have Terra to grow as a character without too much dragging on. It's the same thing with Oliver, the gimmick being he grew fast due to his race. Not that I mind really, it's awesome to see the main character's family grow.
hope we see this several years from now
Yes! He's coming *back in time* to take trains *off* the menu.
Nice to see Omniman get “humbled” in a way. He probably gonna lose his Sht and remain a villain.
Where can I read the comics?
This really is crazy imagine that timeline if it continued…for real
So...I know I'm probably in the wrong here but I had always thought the time travel aspect was just an illusion that this alien creature projected into Mark's mind to have him slowly feeding upon him and it took five years for Mark to finally break free of the alien's control. Basically, he never actually time traveled and it was all just to placate him into sustaining this alien creature for thousands of years. Just my two cents though.
That’s kinda what I was thinking. Even the inhabitants of the planet warned him about the cave which tells me they knew about the creature. And the fact that this creature can now appear to him in the new timeline felt off to me. If this was time travel, why could the alien communicate with him in his room. Gives me the vibe the if he stayed, he’d be forever connected to the creature and this “timeline” For all we know, everything is still going on as normal in the original timeline and the alien is just a strong telepath.
I bought a tpb of Invincible a long time ago I still haven't read it.
Couldn't have been weeks in the past more like months
This is identical to what happened in troll hunters on Netflix when the amulet took him back to the first episode
Just fyi since people tend to struggle with this sort of thing: don't think about the creatures time travel powers too much or what it is. If the writers know what they're doing it won't show up ever again. It's a really common time travel trope that was inevitably going to fill an episode/issue. Thing shouldn't come back and talking about the implications of it's powers shouldn't hold any weight.
The "reboot" is actually one of the comics alternate stories
I think the current universe we’re watching could be an alerted universe because in the show, one of the books Nolan left behind was about that cave
I like to think the creature sent him 5 years in the future to be a dick.
Mark getting that Spider-Man treatment
Nah, Invincible asked for that suffering but fate(particularly the writers) gives Spider-Man suffering
Honestly mark would’ve done this without a second thought had everything else after Omni man didn’t happen.
Everyone is all too excited to go back to the past until they learn what the "butterfly effect" really means, and how much they lost going backwards. But I guess that's big talk for someone who couldn't change anything if sent back anyways.
@@KiraSlith Fucking pseudo science. What's next salting your window sills to keep ghosts out?
I guess I am gonna have to re read my digital copies. 🏴☠️🏴☠️
We really need that in the TV show so badly!
Peter Parker + moral dilemma (x100) = invincible
Peter Parker would have stayed and made a better world. They are absolutely nothing alike.
@sentimentalmariner590 I don't know. Peter is flawed. The whole reason he is spiderman is because of trauma experienced from a moment of selfishness. He loves his friends and family. I'm not sure if he would choose the world over:
Seeing uncle Ben live a long happt life with aunt may
Gwen stacy survive the fall.
Have a family with Mary Jane .
Peter has quit for less in the past.
Peter is not bruce wayne. Now there is a fella with no compromising the mission
Largely disappointed in what could have been a great story in Invincible that instead ended up going nowhere as while this new timeline that this blue creature offered mark showed the better timeline he created was good and all and saved millions ultimately he wasn't selfish to choose the original timeline over this one even if the other one resulted in better results for everyone and potentially for more happiness for Mark, saving millions and correcting balance in the universe as yes he was not in the wrong to do so just to see his wife and original kid as those were in his original timeline and the one he knew best as he had close ties with these people.
Some common objections to this would be.
A. Why would he choose the original timeline when in the new timeline he could just marry Eve again and have a kid but this wouldn't be the same Eve and the kid would be different.
B. His destroying millions of lives and the whole timeline and unsettling the whole balance of things just to see his wife and kid again yes it may seem it's a bad decision but don't forget she's someone he's close with and why put the heavy responsibility of something like this on someone who wants to live a happy life as the argument could also be made he's screwing with his personal happiness just to save this alternate universe it's difficult to say but I'm on the table on this one as selfless altruism for all of existence or putting your personal happiness first even over the whole universe but depends if the stakes of destroying reality are too big maybe he should take the selfless route but if there is an option for him to find personal happiness without the stakes being too severe I would see the case for him taking it so I find validity in both arguments but this is a big debate anyways and hopefully it gets solved in the future.
C. What if did indeed this alternate timeline was actually the original and the creature sent him fives years into the future to so much he screwed the original by choosing back to the original just under different circumstances with huge consequences and I would argue there was no way he could know if the alternate was actually the original and even if he did screw it up I believe it was his choice to make as he already had a life in the original expect with different circumstances besides the original life he had wasn't so bad that the whole universe collapsed and the original one could have been made better and so what he has done can be seen as negative but I don't see as objectively wrong as the original with different circumstances offered better objective happiness him so I guess I see the case for his own well-being even over the whole universe but again I'm on the fence on this one as well as the arguments could go both ways.
Overall I believe there are way too many contradictions and plot holes with this story and I largely understand the arguments for Mark wanting to see his wife and kids and just for the original to be the way it was but I see this story being inspired by the trolley problem and would go back in time to destroy Hitler to save millions or keep keep the things the way they are with both negative and positive consequences so again saving the universe/going back time to create a better timeline or putting personal happiness first/keeping things the way they are or have half putting your happiness first and half saving the universe or finding a way to save the universe and have your personal happiness or go to a different universe altogether to avoid this mess or realize reality is self correcting so it's impossible for negative timeline to destroy it because if reality doesn't exist because of the negative timeline neither will the negative alternate timeline thus reality will always exist and no negative timeline can destroy it and maybe all of this is just something beyond our comprehension in the grand of schemes so nature knows best and let things be the way they are.
To quote the Mauler twin who poisoned King Mauler after he found out he was the original and he was just the clone and being made into a slave and felt inferior so he wanted to even the score said after poisoning King Mauler "Sometimes Things Are The Way They Are For A Good F#cking Reason"
I hope this story isn't adapted into the Invincible Tv show and removed from the Invincible comics universe and instead replaced with a better story.
Love to hear your thoughts on the whole saving the universe or putting your personal happiness first as there cases for both and maybe the debate can be settled some time along the line with answers for both or make a more valid case for personal happiness who knows.
You can’t go back in time to adjust shit happening in the present. Goober moment
You can't change the past, all of time is set in stone.
So what would have had to happen is the alien took him to an alternate timeline.
Whether he stayed in that timeline or returned to his own, the results are the same for the people in each timeline. It's just a difference of where he remains.
The one has to wonder why an alien with that kind of power is sitting on a barren planet.
thats bull time is not set in stone he should have stayed
@@JoshuaNelson-kl5zb sorry man. "Free Will" doesn't exist.
Not for fictional characters or real people.
@@kamikeserpentail3778"Free Will doesn't exist" headass
@@kamikeserpentail3778 You saying you've never made a decision? Because I have. It's a very real, very tangible, thing.
that is bull free will exists for everyone@@kamikeserpentail3778
Imagine if this would be an awesome episode in season 2
This won't be coming for a long while, probably until season 3. I don't know where you are in the comics or if you read them but several massive arcs takes place between where the show ended and this arc starts. So this will probably be in season 3 or 4 even
This is waaaaay later, near the end of the series.
Comments like these are why I love people that don't watch or read the original source material.
2:34 how much you wanna bet they're gonna make Invincible's brother a diverse character in the animated series?
I’d love for the series to do this as a Superman birthday gift kinda thing where thragg leaves that there for him to remember him by
Why do all these alternate comics always start off with interesting premises but end so poorly?
Wdym?
@@alfredgarcia6844 The story starts off interesting, but it finishes with a bland ending.
@@HaotoAnimeOnPiano I gotchu. I couldn't agree less, but I understand why you feel that way. Cheers 👍
THIS CHANNEL IS INVINCIBLE 👍 ..
He doesnt go back in time, the parasite makes him believe that while he fed off him for over 5 years
I don't have kids yet, but looking at how my friends, my parents, and my grandparents value their family I think that I would also sacrifice a more peaceful timeliness to save my kid