There is no planning. The whole point is implementing half-assed code in order for pledgers to believe there is progress, but it's a total minimum. They bankroll the rest. There is no plan to get anywhere but into your wallet.
Hey, don't be so disingenuous...this is still early days for CIG. They're only a small indie dev. studio who started the real REAL development 2 years ago. -Chat3PT (probably)
There doing stuff like this because there about to go bankrupt there not even hiding it anymore. this game is just a joke someones gotta get chris's address
@@Camural let me tell you, even in Fraunhofer, there is stuff like this happening all the time. People forget stuff, and then it slips through because in the end, stuff like this in inconsequential for an in progress code-base. Inconvenient for the player and I'm also not happy with how some things are done at CIG, but this *one* thing isn't why progress is slow. Especially because it takes extra time to validate things like that and then fix it. (it would be needed for when the system is polished, but for a first implementation step, it's good enough that buying the wrong size doesn't break your session/account)
@DJRaffa1000 1. Whataboutism is a very bad argument 2. Such things happen way too often when it comes to CIG, again and again and again. -There is no proofreading/checking -there is no supervision -QA doesn't have enough people and not enough good managers For year 12, +720 million dollars and +1200 employees, this is just sad. This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12.
@@alexpetrov8871 and what was more important in those 3 months, bugs that cause you to corrupt your account and causing Server ceashes, or this inconvenience (because it is just thatand nothing more)
1- Make a project without a clear vision and goal. 2- Design buildings before knowing in-game systems. 3- Implement objects larger than your buildings can accommodate, while have no quality assurance whatsoever 4- Make new ships for more money cause that's what really matters. 5- Profit. PS: 02:40 still is the best, never fail to make me laugh!
@vankhorne Star Citizen is a very ambitious and huge project. Obviously, this needs good planning, from the start, exactly what Chris said in 2016: ruclips.net/video/9pBUeZ2CTvk/видео.html But in reality, Chris/CIG: -never have a plan -never have a concept -never think things through -never think in advance -Chris is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic As a consequence we have this mess of a tech demo in year 12, with missing basics, missing mechanics, not even some very basic physics.
To think that apparently this was one of the longest Evocati/PTU loops ever and that cargo was "around the corner" when I started four years ago...and then basic stuff doesn't work. This patch is called Cargo Empires, btw.
And still no odd-size containers when most old ships have odd-size cargo grids. This leads to very tedious ranks of 1 SCU containers that are sometimes inaccessible when on top or behind doors. CIG answers is : buy new ships compatible with 32 SCU containers !
Imagine my surprise when the F8C won Ship Showdown ... and CIG just happened to have a golden ticket event ready. For only $300, you too can fly a digital asset that looks like a pair of fabric scissors covered in guns.
@JagHiroshi also the golden tickets drop from NPCs now too and very very often :) "tell me you are desperate for money, without telling me you are desperate for money"
If this was the only instance this kind of thing happened I could understand that a mistake was made somewhere and it would be fine. Unfortunately it's not been a particularly rare occasion that CIG misses something that should be an obvious check.
@friendlyspacedragon7250 yes this is my point: we see this over and over again when it comes to CIG: -no checks -no proof reading of XMLs -no colleagues checking data -no supervision This is very evident, especially if one tests a lot and looks into XMLs. This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12. And of course reworks of reworks of reworks of reworks ... Because having a plan, having a concept, thinking things through, thinking in advance is not the CIG way.
Unbelievable ! It's either by design or a rookie error. The state of the updates should be checked by seniors, not by juniors with no knowledge of the game.
No one plays the game at CIG. And this is not as if it was not seen by anyone during evocati and wave testing, just as the icon size. I think they were totally overwhelmed by critical blocking bugs on this version.
@@Camural yes, or an option to convert the size of the boxes according to our needs (ex 1x32SCU to 2x16SCU or 4x8SCU and vice versa) If I had found this information earlier, I would not have a 32SCU RMC box stuck in Dunboro, which I will probably never be able to recover xD
This is the first patch in over 5 years that I will not be installing. Maybe this game will be good one day in the far distant future, but I doubt it and I don't much care at this point.
Best guess: The C99 compiler restricts the total number of nested if statements to 2^32-1, so based on their earlier code shown off they hit the limit and can't afford to check if(!32SCU).
@RN1441 it is fine if freight elevator at outposts can only carry up to 24 SCU containers, well kinda. However, then CIG should put limits into their code, like outposts should not sell cargo in 32 SCU containers. Even this is too much to ask CIG for. I guess paying below industry standard and hiring mostly young inexperienced people is a good strategy.
No just that a team is doing the UI, another team the elevators that are too short and another team is managing the servers. And no management is verifying the full design of that.
@Kyle-sr6jm we will get 4.0, Pyro and server meshing before the end of this year and it will be fabulous and will work like a charm! (Yes I know, but let me dream a bit)
Yes, this is why there is so much regression on ships all the time. No one checks all ships and all locations for each version probably before delivery.
Respekt das du dir den Mist noch geben kannst 😂 ich habe seit zwei Jahren nicht mehr eingeloggt. Und es tut so gut nicht mehr über den Scam nachdenken zu müssen.
@GetBuk86 I make my videos to give feedback. I still have some hope that things will improve and that we might get a decent game one day. However, not with Chris making the decisions: "My way or the highway".
@@Camural And CIG probably didn't attribute the highest importance to it, cause it apparently wasn't gamebreaking enough. The IssueCouncil is a damn joke. It's a placebo for backers to feel important, as if they'd be contributing more to the project than just giving their money to Chris to burn it on superfluous fluff, stupid ideas and the n-th rework.
if only 😂 unfortunately jokes on us. Almost all bugs are reported pre live release, many of them being in the game for very long and obviously theres nobody there who takes care of them or is able to. But server meshing will solve everything ... not
@Camural why don’t you check the RAFT??? I guarantee you it is far, far, faaar more disappointing. You see RAFT can only fit ONE cargo box PER EACH cargo clamp. IT HAS 3x 32SCU clamps, that is 3x 32SCU boxes. BUT IN FACT IT IS 3X OF WHATEVER BOX YOU SHOVE INTO THEM. If you happen to attach a handheld box, then that huge 32SCU area is negated by this tiny tiny hand held box and nothing else can be attached although there is clearly enough room. (You may attach ONLY in the 3 far right claps. The rest do not work.) So yeah…you can now attach only sub 24 cargo boxes and you block the entire cargo grid in the raft. You should test it out.
@mcthemis62402 I know about the Raft. It is not nice but CIG will fix this. Eventually. In a few years. Maybe. Raft a ship that can carry 3 x 32 SCU containers but we cannot get 32 containers onto a freight elevator in outposts >sigh> Did I ever mention that Chris/CIG: -never have a plan -never have a concept -never think things through -never think in advance -Chris is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic
@@Camural I believe you are missing my point. It is NOT that I can’t put 3x 32SCU…It is that can put ONLY 3x 8SCU. The rest of the SCU space cannot be used. Do you get it? Once you put any box that fills the far right clamp the rest of the claps DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING ELSE.
In my experience, the simple multitool doesn't work and is inaccessible when ur trying to move commodities from the elevator to your ship at a mining outpost or station. Seems like a armistice zone bug inhibits the tool. You have to take a maxxlift tractor beam rifle with you and it works. Also, don't put boxes down on a hangar floor as many just disappear or fall into the floor in year 12. Move containers from the ship to the elevator directly for best chance of it surviving.
What can we do to change this man? I am fed up... They are paying for it.. Money last year was a whole lot more than this year for CIG.. Chris Roberts greed allows us to play on generic servers not high performance.. Greed... I love his game but absolutely despise the sight of him .. Light switches do not work on the corsair.. no rear flood light my love light.. The ghoulish green paint is STILL partial grey boxed on the vulture.. Ground stores and freight not working on moons/planets.. med gun makes ur player sound incapped when cycling it to get to tractor beam .. . Lazy they check nothing>> Then whenever I report something on the issue council they delete it... I dare you to ask for full character reset back.. They delete the thread within two seconds marketing pigs.. cant get ur gear back anymore with character repair placebo... The M2s rear ramp cant be accessed from the back unless u jump precisely/ quantam borks out and makes u reroute every friggin hop... 5 hops to get there .. 5 times to reroute.. All of this crap is because he overloads the crap out of the servers to not have to pay more money for good bandwidth and upload. he will never do it.. and why do i have to allow cookies to report a bug? cute
1200 employees, and it feels like there are only a few people on each team actually invovled with the game. A good 1100 or more of those employees are probably marketing, management, and CG artists making fake videos for Citizen Con. I mean, we know the ship team is one of the largest and it only has 16 people, which is baffling. And of those, most of them are artists. Source: the ISC where the ship guys said fully half their entire team was working on the Polaris to get it ready to sell at IAE, and there were 8 artists working on it. If the lifeblood of the game, ships, only warrants that amount of resources, then QA is probably not a robust department and it shows. Combined with poor management, and this is what you get after 12 years.
and these whiney baby devs want to be cheered on for such amateur oversights and treated like toddlers taking their first steps when you could barely count it as a crawl...
I would not blame most of the staff. But you have some "leaders/managers" and part of their job also is to say the CEO that he is not right and things need to be done differently. One of the major problems i see is that some people want to do it right, but get specifically told to not do it or do sth. else. Thats why its always a management problem.
They don't decide whether they are a software developer building a system fast and break things or if they are a game service provider hosting a live game. They try both at the same time and are bad at both. Add to this a highly complex game with gigantic test requirement and this is the result. It won't change. It's ingrained in their corporate culture. CIG: Never say no!
To quote your earlier video "it's the management -- the QA is doing a fantastic job!" No, management cannot do so-called micromanagement. Actually, that's the worst kind of management and CR is often criticized for doing micromanagement. That's why you have an army of QA people who are supposed to test every possible combination of things and catch everything during those two months of PTU. And they are most definitely NOT doing a fantastic job. We are doing their job for them. They should all be fired.
Saw this coming the minute CIG decided to dictate cargo container sizes for missions instead of offering players size choices when at the outposts.Mistakes like this are systemic in CIG and always have been. CIG seem more motivated into forcing players into suitable ship purchases to fit the missions rather than making missions fit players existing ships.
@chrissinclair8705 yes this is not a huge problem but it shows the lack of any quality control at CIG. -no proof reading of XMLs -no colleagues checking data -no supervision This is very evident, especially if one tests a lot and looks into XMLs. This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12. And of course reworks of reworks of reworks of reworks ... Because having a plan, having a concept, thinking things through, thinking in advance is not the CIG way.
@@Camural Hell I tried the simple cargo hauling missions 3 times at 3 different locations and they've all failed. Hell Bajini point didn't even give me a landing zone.
@chrissinclair8705 Cargo missions are already broken, LOL! (not to mention payout is shit) robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cargo-containers-for-hauling-missions-are-not-spaw robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/hauling-missions-not-working
@chrissinclair8705 for a few years by now, CIG doesn't even pretend to give us a halfway playable patch. The patches of the last years are utterly broken and not even a 0.1 or 0.2 patch fixes most of the issues. I guess putting new code onto terrible old spaghetti code with quick and dirty "fixes" several layers on top of each other is not a good strategy.
The game still has no detailed, written master plan. As long as there's no plan for developers to consult they will continue to make mistakes like this. In a company with 1100+ employees you cannot expect them to consult every other person when they have to make a design decision. But that's why you have a detailed, written plan - as long as everyone reads the plan and sticks to the plan, then asking hundreds of other people if your work will conflict with theirs is unnecessary. CIG is building a house with no blueprints. It's no surprise when the sewer and fresh water lines get crossed and half the house has DC power outlets.
@austinm5630 yes CIG doesn't even have a master plan yet, but documentation is a problem too. New people are frustrated, they have not enough experienced leaders and cannot find good documentation, if it exists at all. This doesn't exactly lead to a good and healthy code.
Who needs a plan when you are paving the highway to 5.0 ? Mark my words, 4.0 will not be the holy grail and before 1.0 they will need another holy tech that they will release with 5.0
They did it on purpose I think as they will probably want Hull C and large ships only to carry them and sell at TDD's. I also was annoyed and confused.
CIG needs a way out and they need it sooner than later. Everything that has been happening this year is intended to drive the playerbase away. Once gone they dont have to deliver that which they know they cannot. And the money, well thats "gone" as well.
Since all these locations are copy pasted elevators. I think it might actually be easier to simply replace the elevators with a larger one to support 32scu crates
0:33 Couldn't they highlight only the small preview icon when dragging it across without having to do this MASSIVE (green) box and have it take up that much realestate in the UI.....and when you drop it in the left window then only have it take up as much space as the preview icon itself is big, but also put some small infotext next to the icon to show stats on how much space it's taking up so you won't have to slide the cursor across to see that info. The bargraph at the top left showing how much capacity the lift has could be changed to be a bit more eye-catching...like, put it directly right of the text and make it as thick/wide as the text itself, but also with a different color for the outline (I hate this teal-color UI material) While we're at it the size could be changed on all texts to become more easily readable, because there are already 4 different textsizes on the screen...FreightManager, the button texts, the capacity texts, local names (elevator/warehouse). Reduce it to maybe only 2 different textsizes so we won't have to refocus so often.
@@Camural Now that I think about it...considering how creative the community of StarCitizen can be sometimes, I wonder if anyone has made an edit of the UI yet to showcase something more "proper" and better to use than what CIG throws at us.
@@avon_c6199 But when you offer the devs solutions they are angry because "you are not doing our (devs) job, we just want your feedback." 🙄 Maybe people feeling the urge to work things out because they don't have a single clue.
All of this just to make the game take longer and keep you out of your ship.. Claim times are the meanest thing i have ever seen besides removing character reset.. And now it takes ages to move cargo all has to be done manually to a game that takes centuries to get going to begin with... And why does no one check the individual functionality of each ship.. No one at this sorry company checks their work.. Why??? Do they just all lie to each other and say yeah i did it and they say okay??? Keeping you out of your ship saves a HUGE amount of bandwidth.. See the bigger picture??
@Kadashir I haven't checked how many 24 SCU containers fit onto the freight elevator, but I am sure you can have a few. There is lots of space in the game, lots and lots of empty boring space, so why not have 32 SCU freight elevators every where? And if CIG doesn't want this because some strange idea of balance, fine, but then make sure we cannot buy goods in 32 SCU containers at outposts. It is that easy, but obviously not for CIG.
That is pretty bad - even for CIGs low standards. I am sure they will fix it "soon" ( aka not this year). Maybe they have so many issues with this release, that this one is just too low on their list. But I think this is very embarrassing. Question: If you purchase a 32 SCU container, can you at least change it back and get the goods you purchased in smaller containers?
@dragonchild_SC Outposts do not buy back the cargo they are selling, not even at a loss for the player. This 32 SCU container is now stuck in my Arccorp mining area 061 inventory until next big patch. Of course I bought the cheapest commodity and only one 32 SCU container but other people lost a lot of money because of this.
@@Camural Now that is really bad. Imagine in real life, you buy a piece of furniture in a shop, and then they tell you the door is not big enough to get it out, so sorry it has to stay in the shop forever. How could they miss something like that? Thanks Camural for your reply and all your testing.
Yea they added it into the game and didnt boot the game once just to check if it worked this company is such a fucking scam its insane. they do this shit to spit in the faces of people that give them money because they know they can abuse those peoples because of there personality and life position's, That ending clip was fucking hilarious btw xD
Ram cig dose this purposely hopefully more ppl wake up to this cig dose as bare ass as possible so they sort spend money on sc. As a whole look at the game it's bleringly obvious
Are you F**** kidding me??? they sell the 32, but you cannot get them on the elevator!!! seriously!!! CIG and the development of this tech demo is getting more and more ridiculous, each day passing by! So they will take your cash....but sorry, we cannot deliver, cause of the size!! pathetic!!!
It's almost like there is absolutely no planning involved with this game at all, they just slap a bunch of shit together and hope that it works.
In fact, the players are doing most of the testing. The evocati builds are very messy and usually nearly unplayable.
There is no planning. The whole point is implementing half-assed code in order for pledgers to believe there is progress, but it's a total minimum. They bankroll the rest. There is no plan to get anywhere but into your wallet.
Thousand of kilometers of empty space on a moon and they only have one landing pad, one small cargo elevator at one outpost. It's a joke.
Hey, don't be so disingenuous...this is still early days for CIG.
They're only a small indie dev. studio who started the real REAL development 2 years ago.
-Chat3PT (probably)
Wouldn't you rather it be that way in the long run when you can build your own storage and warehousing and rent the space to other users?
@@ThAt0n36Uy you mean in 2034?
@@Leptospirosi sounds like a lot of replay value if I'm still playing the same game 20 years after inception.
There doing stuff like this because there about to go bankrupt there not even hiding it anymore. this game is just a joke someones gotta get chris's address
I tell you what happened: they designed the buildings first and then realized they are too small and then nobody removed the 32scu option
@dsptchr if this would be any other game studio, I would say no way.
However, this is CIG we are talking about :).
Nah, someone designed the buildings and someone designed the freight handling mechanics. Then nothing more happened.
@@Camural let me tell you, even in Fraunhofer, there is stuff like this happening all the time.
People forget stuff, and then it slips through because in the end, stuff like this in inconsequential for an in progress code-base.
Inconvenient for the player and I'm also not happy with how some things are done at CIG, but this *one* thing isn't why progress is slow. Especially because it takes extra time to validate things like that and then fix it.
(it would be needed for when the system is polished, but for a first implementation step, it's good enough that buying the wrong size doesn't break your session/account)
@DJRaffa1000
1. Whataboutism is a very bad argument
2. Such things happen way too often when it comes to CIG, again and again and again.
-There is no proofreading/checking
-there is no supervision
-QA doesn't have enough people and not enough good managers
For year 12, +720 million dollars and +1200 employees, this is just sad.
This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12.
@@alexpetrov8871 and what was more important in those 3 months, bugs that cause you to corrupt your account and causing Server ceashes, or this inconvenience (because it is just thatand nothing more)
Must be the new pirate gameplay everyone is talking about 😂
1- Make a project without a clear vision and goal.
2- Design buildings before knowing in-game systems.
3- Implement objects larger than your buildings can accommodate, while have no quality assurance whatsoever
4- Make new ships for more money cause that's what really matters.
5- Profit.
PS: 02:40 still is the best, never fail to make me laugh!
@vankhorne Star Citizen is a very ambitious and huge project. Obviously, this needs good planning, from the start, exactly what Chris said in 2016: ruclips.net/video/9pBUeZ2CTvk/видео.html
But in reality, Chris/CIG:
-never have a plan
-never have a concept
-never think things through
-never think in advance
-Chris is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic
As a consequence we have this mess of a tech demo in year 12, with missing basics, missing mechanics, not even some very basic physics.
You will never run out of content here.
To think that apparently this was one of the longest Evocati/PTU loops ever and that cargo was "around the corner" when I started four years ago...and then basic stuff doesn't work. This patch is called Cargo Empires, btw.
And still no odd-size containers when most old ships have odd-size cargo grids. This leads to very tedious ranks of 1 SCU containers that are sometimes inaccessible when on top or behind doors. CIG answers is : buy new ships compatible with 32 SCU containers !
For the low low price of 49.99 you can buy an upgraded freight elevator to move those larger 32 scu containers.
3.24 brings lot of new content in game, as well lot of new content for your channel. Double win.
I have 96 (3 containers of 32) eggs and i cannot to sell. Very nice.
How can a game studio with so much money be so bad even at basic things?
CIG are busy making fake Citizencon demo and ship commercials
The fact that ships still have zero weight is also a bit worrying after 12 years. But hey, we don't have the new game engine yet.
Because they are only into big things that make their customers salivate. Yup, not backers, customers.
@@_wmd_ you forgot the influencers that they pay to make non-stop positive videos about them.
Imagine my surprise when the F8C won Ship Showdown ... and CIG just happened to have a golden ticket event ready. For only $300, you too can fly a digital asset that looks like a pair of fabric scissors covered in guns.
@JagHiroshi also the golden tickets drop from NPCs now too and very very often :)
"tell me you are desperate for money, without telling me you are desperate for money"
Yep. Big supprise the most expensive ship won. Knew this the second I heard about the "voting" lol. Wake up folks.
If this was the only instance this kind of thing happened I could understand that a mistake was made somewhere and it would be fine. Unfortunately it's not been a particularly rare occasion that CIG misses something that should be an obvious check.
@friendlyspacedragon7250 yes this is my point: we see this over and over again when it comes to CIG:
-no checks
-no proof reading of XMLs
-no colleagues checking data
-no supervision
This is very evident, especially if one tests a lot and looks into XMLs.
This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12.
And of course reworks of reworks of reworks of reworks ...
Because having a plan, having a concept, thinking things through, thinking in advance is not the CIG way.
@@Camural No Camural, you are doing them unjustice. Their plan is to make money, and they did quite a good job. 🤣🤣 Cuz money makes everything right!
Keep putting up your videos I love you exposing the stupidity and lack of care..
Unbelievable ! It's either by design or a rookie error. The state of the updates should be checked by seniors, not by juniors with no knowledge of the game.
No one plays the game at CIG. And this is not as if it was not seen by anyone during evocati and wave testing, just as the icon size. I think they were totally overwhelmed by critical blocking bugs on this version.
in the light of the available budget its really strange how they haven't hired and least some dozens of high-end specialists who final-check things.
There are no quality seniors at cig, it's just juniors. Or at least that's how it seems.
My and my buddy had this issue, didn't make sense so we gave up. Annoying how this "feature" isn't explained at all
@DarkFruitTT at least CIG could make it so that outposts buy back the cargo, let's say at a small loss for the player.
@@Camural yes, or an option to convert the size of the boxes according to our needs (ex 1x32SCU to 2x16SCU or 4x8SCU and vice versa)
If I had found this information earlier, I would not have a 32SCU RMC box stuck in Dunboro, which I will probably never be able to recover xD
This is the first patch in over 5 years that I will not be installing. Maybe this game will be good one day in the far distant future, but I doubt it and I don't much care at this point.
How do you completely uninstall the game?
Damn, this shit is SO BROKE.
The most incompetent dev studio, ever
Its a long time( over a month ago) since first Feedback about this happened
@rubentaiartinger2640 yep
Best guess: The C99 compiler restricts the total number of nested if statements to 2^32-1, so based on their earlier code shown off they hit the limit and can't afford to check if(!32SCU).
@RN1441 it is fine if freight elevator at outposts can only carry up to 24 SCU containers, well kinda.
However, then CIG should put limits into their code, like outposts should not sell cargo in 32 SCU containers.
Even this is too much to ask CIG for.
I guess paying below industry standard and hiring mostly young inexperienced people is a good strategy.
No just that a team is doing the UI, another team the elevators that are too short and another team is managing the servers. And no management is verifying the full design of that.
adding more bloom doesn't hide anymore those graphics look dated.
Indeed the tech is ALREADY outdated, before the release 😆
That thumbnail pic was taking after asking Chris Roberts how much work they have done on fixing bugs in the game.
LOL!
CR has already checked out chasing his big movie idea.
Ngl, that a HUGE oversight, nobody in the development of the elevator taught : Wait we can sell 32 scu box...
at least the cargo elevator works for u! unlike most of us
...and they are trying to do server meshing.
@Kyle-sr6jm we will get 4.0, Pyro and server meshing before the end of this year and it will be fabulous and will work like a charm!
(Yes I know, but let me dream a bit)
QA has no automation. They have too much they have to manually check.
Yes, this is why there is so much regression on ships all the time. No one checks all ships and all locations for each version probably before delivery.
@@sebc8938 I believe the majority of the regression bugs is bad build discipline.
Respekt das du dir den Mist noch geben kannst 😂 ich habe seit zwei Jahren nicht mehr eingeloggt. Und es tut so gut nicht mehr über den Scam nachdenken zu müssen.
@GetBuk86 I make my videos to give feedback. I still have some hope that things will improve and that we might get a decent game one day.
However, not with Chris making the decisions: "My way or the highway".
If only someone had reported this
@madhax47 we had reports on the PTU.
@@Camural And CIG probably didn't attribute the highest importance to it, cause it apparently wasn't gamebreaking enough.
The IssueCouncil is a damn joke.
It's a placebo for backers to feel important, as if they'd be contributing more to the project than just giving their money to Chris to burn it on superfluous fluff, stupid ideas and the n-th rework.
if only 😂 unfortunately jokes on us.
Almost all bugs are reported pre live release, many of them being in the game for very long and obviously theres nobody there who takes care of them or is able to.
But server meshing will solve everything ... not
@@Camural and I would guess, CIG doing their best practice of archiving the issue!!!
ok i wasn't expecting the buggy to do that.
Half a Job Roberts strikes again.
@Camural why don’t you check the RAFT??? I guarantee you it is far, far, faaar more disappointing.
You see RAFT can only fit ONE cargo box PER EACH cargo clamp. IT HAS 3x 32SCU clamps, that is 3x 32SCU boxes. BUT IN FACT IT IS 3X OF WHATEVER BOX YOU SHOVE INTO THEM. If you happen to attach a handheld box, then that huge 32SCU area is negated by this tiny tiny hand held box and nothing else can be attached although there is clearly enough room. (You may attach ONLY in the 3 far right claps. The rest do not work.)
So yeah…you can now attach only sub 24 cargo boxes and you block the entire cargo grid in the raft.
You should test it out.
@mcthemis62402 I know about the Raft. It is not nice but CIG will fix this. Eventually. In a few years. Maybe.
Raft a ship that can carry 3 x 32 SCU containers but we cannot get 32 containers onto a freight elevator in outposts >sigh>
Did I ever mention that Chris/CIG:
-never have a plan
-never have a concept
-never think things through
-never think in advance
-Chris is only interested in eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic
@@Camural I believe you are missing my point.
It is NOT that I can’t put 3x 32SCU…It is that can put ONLY 3x 8SCU. The rest of the SCU space cannot be used. Do you get it? Once you put any box that fills the far right clamp the rest of the claps DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING ELSE.
How the F did that get past PTU? Did no one find this out in PTU?
@Power5 it was reported months ago on the PTU.
Also warehouses should be able to combine and separate containers.
In my experience, the simple multitool doesn't work and is inaccessible when ur trying to move commodities from the elevator to your ship at a mining outpost or station. Seems like a armistice zone bug inhibits the tool. You have to take a maxxlift tractor beam rifle with you and it works. Also, don't put boxes down on a hangar floor as many just disappear or fall into the floor in year 12. Move containers from the ship to the elevator directly for best chance of it surviving.
Now for your next “shock” try going and selling over at brios 😂
What can we do to change this man? I am fed up... They are paying for it.. Money last year was a whole lot more than this year for CIG.. Chris Roberts greed allows us to play on generic servers not high performance.. Greed... I love his game but absolutely despise the sight of him .. Light switches do not work on the corsair.. no rear flood light my love light.. The ghoulish green paint is STILL partial grey boxed on the vulture.. Ground stores and freight not working on moons/planets.. med gun makes ur player sound incapped when cycling it to get to tractor beam .. . Lazy they check nothing>> Then whenever I report something on the issue council they delete it... I dare you to ask for full character reset back.. They delete the thread within two seconds marketing pigs.. cant get ur gear back anymore with character repair placebo... The M2s rear ramp cant be accessed from the back unless u jump precisely/ quantam borks out and makes u reroute every friggin hop... 5 hops to get there .. 5 times to reroute.. All of this crap is because he overloads the crap out of the servers to not have to pay more money for good bandwidth and upload. he will never do it.. and why do i have to allow cookies to report a bug? cute
@Camural update, the raft is fixed and CAN carry more than one box per clamp.
@mcthemis62402 thank you for the update!
Another fail by CIG!!! 12 years...1200+ devs
1200 employees, and it feels like there are only a few people on each team actually invovled with the game. A good 1100 or more of those employees are probably marketing, management, and CG artists making fake videos for Citizen Con. I mean, we know the ship team is one of the largest and it only has 16 people, which is baffling. And of those, most of them are artists. Source: the ISC where the ship guys said fully half their entire team was working on the Polaris to get it ready to sell at IAE, and there were 8 artists working on it. If the lifeblood of the game, ships, only warrants that amount of resources, then QA is probably not a robust department and it shows. Combined with poor management, and this is what you get after 12 years.
and these whiney baby devs want to be cheered on for such amateur oversights and treated like toddlers taking their first steps when you could barely count it as a crawl...
I would not blame most of the staff. But you have some "leaders/managers" and part of their job also is to say the CEO that he is not right and things need to be done differently.
One of the major problems i see is that some people want to do it right, but get specifically told to not do it or do sth. else. Thats why its always a management problem.
They don't decide whether they are a software developer building a system fast and break things or if they are a game service provider hosting a live game. They try both at the same time and are bad at both. Add to this a highly complex game with gigantic test requirement and this is the result. It won't change. It's ingrained in their corporate culture. CIG: Never say no!
wish i saw this video before i bought 96 scu worth of beryl at an outpost - ie 3 x 32 scu for the raft :(
To quote your earlier video "it's the management -- the QA is doing a fantastic job!" No, management cannot do so-called micromanagement. Actually, that's the worst kind of management and CR is often criticized for doing micromanagement. That's why you have an army of QA people who are supposed to test every possible combination of things and catch everything during those two months of PTU. And they are most definitely NOT doing a fantastic job. We are doing their job for them. They should all be fired.
Saw this coming the minute CIG decided to dictate cargo container sizes for missions instead of offering players size choices when at the outposts.Mistakes like this are systemic in CIG and always have been. CIG seem more motivated into forcing players into suitable ship purchases to fit the missions rather than making missions fit players existing ships.
Or the newly advertised ship is randomly extremely strong in dogfighting, but hey every ship will do fine, for sure ;)
I think with all the crazy stuff we've seen over the years this is the least of our problems....
@chrissinclair8705 yes this is not a huge problem but it shows the lack of any quality control at CIG.
-no proof reading of XMLs
-no colleagues checking data
-no supervision
This is very evident, especially if one tests a lot and looks into XMLs.
This is exactly one of the reasons why progress is so slow and why we have so little in year 12.
And of course reworks of reworks of reworks of reworks ...
Because having a plan, having a concept, thinking things through, thinking in advance is not the CIG way.
@@Camural Hell I tried the simple cargo hauling missions 3 times at 3 different locations and they've all failed. Hell Bajini point didn't even give me a landing zone.
@chrissinclair8705 Cargo missions are already broken, LOL!
(not to mention payout is shit)
robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cargo-containers-for-hauling-missions-are-not-spaw
robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/hauling-missions-not-working
@chrissinclair8705 for a few years by now, CIG doesn't even pretend to give us a halfway playable patch.
The patches of the last years are utterly broken and not even a 0.1 or 0.2 patch fixes most of the issues.
I guess putting new code onto terrible old spaghetti code with quick and dirty "fixes" several layers on top of each other is not a good strategy.
The game still has no detailed, written master plan. As long as there's no plan for developers to consult they will continue to make mistakes like this. In a company with 1100+ employees you cannot expect them to consult every other person when they have to make a design decision. But that's why you have a detailed, written plan - as long as everyone reads the plan and sticks to the plan, then asking hundreds of other people if your work will conflict with theirs is unnecessary.
CIG is building a house with no blueprints. It's no surprise when the sewer and fresh water lines get crossed and half the house has DC power outlets.
@austinm5630 yes CIG doesn't even have a master plan yet, but documentation is a problem too.
New people are frustrated, they have not enough experienced leaders and cannot find good documentation, if it exists at all.
This doesn't exactly lead to a good and healthy code.
Who needs a plan when you are paving the highway to 5.0 ?
Mark my words, 4.0 will not be the holy grail and before 1.0 they will need another holy tech that they will release with 5.0
They did it on purpose I think as they will probably want Hull C and large ships only to carry them and sell at TDD's. I also was annoyed and confused.
CIG needs a way out and they need it sooner than later. Everything that has been happening this year is intended to drive the playerbase away.
Once gone they dont have to deliver that which they know they cannot. And the money, well thats "gone" as well.
Since all these locations are copy pasted elevators. I think it might actually be easier to simply replace the elevators with a larger one to support 32scu crates
Please start holding CIG accountable by not logging in. Camurals vids are a huge help
and yet this was reported multiple times in the PTU
If this game makes it to 1.0 that is where it will end.
No QA. Numpties giving money are the QA 😂
0:33 Couldn't they highlight only the small preview icon when dragging it across without having to do this MASSIVE (green) box and have it take up that much realestate in the UI.....and when you drop it in the left window then only have it take up as much space as the preview icon itself is big, but also put some small infotext next to the icon to show stats on how much space it's taking up so you won't have to slide the cursor across to see that info.
The bargraph at the top left showing how much capacity the lift has could be changed to be a bit more eye-catching...like, put it directly right of the text and make it as thick/wide as the text itself, but also with a different color for the outline (I hate this teal-color UI material)
While we're at it the size could be changed on all texts to become more easily readable, because there are already 4 different textsizes on the screen...FreightManager, the button texts, the capacity texts, local names (elevator/warehouse).
Reduce it to maybe only 2 different textsizes so we won't have to refocus so often.
@avon_c6199 CIG is terrible at UIs, any UIs in Star Citizen.
I refuse to believe CIG devs are so incompetent, so what is going on?
@@Camural Now that I think about it...considering how creative the community of StarCitizen can be sometimes, I wonder if anyone has made an edit of the UI yet to showcase something more "proper" and better to use than what CIG throws at us.
@@avon_c6199 But when you offer the devs solutions they are angry because "you are not doing our (devs) job, we just want your feedback." 🙄
Maybe people feeling the urge to work things out because they don't have a single clue.
Didn't even do 1 round of playtesting "We'll let the loyal simp whales do that for us, they'll still buy our warbonds anyway"
how do you move a size 24scu cont? i have the large multitool but it says the cont is too heavy?
CIG employees suck.
😲Well, if you had the chance to chill and rework everything you workout, but still get a decent wage, wouldn't you do it?
This behaviour would be bad for a small dev in year 1
What do you expect? People to *think* about the implications of their designs? NOT at CIG.
how on earth does that make it through a month of testing and into final patch
The problem is that that this sort of foulup simply makes the company olook deeplu inprofessional and would be a red flag to an investor.
It's all still tier zero. It will be turned into tier one in ~2030.
I have 96 scu of eggs and i cant sell them.
All of this just to make the game take longer and keep you out of your ship.. Claim times are the meanest thing i have ever seen besides removing character reset.. And now it takes ages to move cargo all has to be done manually to a game that takes centuries to get going to begin with... And why does no one check the individual functionality of each ship.. No one at this sorry company checks their work.. Why??? Do they just all lie to each other and say yeah i did it and they say okay??? Keeping you out of your ship saves a HUGE amount of bandwidth.. See the bigger picture??
Fix coming in Q1 2027
Can you sell the 32 SCU container back? Doesn't everything you own in outpost storage disappear when you fly away from an outpost?
No, you can't. Outposts don't buy the things they produce/sell.
Too busy modeling/texturing bolts/wires/pipes under deck plates and behind panels no one will ever see.
So, correct me but- you do able to fit 2 x 24 scu containers on elevator, right? but for some reason, 32scu is too much to fit?
@Kadashir I haven't checked how many 24 SCU containers fit onto the freight elevator, but I am sure you can have a few.
There is lots of space in the game, lots and lots of empty boring space, so why not have 32 SCU freight elevators every where?
And if CIG doesn't want this because some strange idea of balance, fine, but then make sure we cannot buy goods in 32 SCU containers at outposts. It is that easy, but obviously not for CIG.
😂😂😂
That is pretty bad - even for CIGs low standards. I am sure they will fix it "soon" ( aka not this year). Maybe they have so many issues with this release, that this one is just too low on their list. But I think this is very embarrassing. Question: If you purchase a 32 SCU container, can you at least change it back and get the goods you purchased in smaller containers?
@dragonchild_SC Outposts do not buy back the cargo they are selling, not even at a loss for the player.
This 32 SCU container is now stuck in my Arccorp mining area 061 inventory until next big patch.
Of course I bought the cheapest commodity and only one 32 SCU container but other people lost a lot of money because of this.
@@Camural Now that is really bad. Imagine in real life, you buy a piece of furniture in a shop, and then they tell you the door is not big enough to get it out, so sorry it has to stay in the shop forever. How could they miss something like that? Thanks Camural for your reply and all your testing.
Yea they added it into the game and didnt boot the game once just to check if it worked this company is such a fucking scam its insane. they do this shit to spit in the faces of people that give them money because they know they can abuse those peoples because of there personality and life position's, That ending clip was fucking hilarious btw xD
The devs R pretty clownish. They make data errors everywhere. No analysis. No thought to what they are doing. Sad.
sigh
Ram cig dose this purposely hopefully more ppl wake up to this cig dose as bare ass as possible so they sort spend money on sc. As a whole look at the game it's bleringly obvious
All this broken game play, almost makes me wanna buy more ships. When we beyond an almost working game, Ill get beyond almost buying more ships.
Cargo Empires.... lmfao so tone deaf.
Are you F**** kidding me??? they sell the 32, but you cannot get them on the elevator!!! seriously!!! CIG and the development of this tech demo is getting more and more ridiculous, each day passing by! So they will take your cash....but sorry, we cannot deliver, cause of the size!! pathetic!!!