@@mapledelight What has your reply got to do with my comments that she never stops talking? landscape photographer and tazering me, sorry, that went right over my head.
@@mat12128 Would you like a shout out on my channel ? OK to make up a small compilation of clips and link back to your channel so people can watch the conclusions ? More people need to see these abuses.
The thing is, he has got something to hide. As do we all. It's called basic privacy. Giving your details to Police is objectionable for many privacy related reasons. If you are not known to the Police, why would you want to be when you've done nothing wrong? If you are known to the Police then giving your details exposes you to an interaction with them that you would probably prefer not to have, especially as - again - you've done nothing wrong. Claiming your right to privacy is not equivalent to an admission of guilt. That is the utter stupidity we witness here in this video and on many other videos on YT as well. I personally would not be brave enough to have an interaction with the Police like this because I don't trust them and you can see here how they twist things to fit their own narrative in ways that disadvantage you. Respect to this guy for the way he conducted himself under pressure.
"If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear". 🙄 There is no way they had any grounds for suspicion, please sue these corrupt criminals for the sake of public freedoms.
The aim is to make them look like twats on camera so we can raise awareness etc, the people investigating don’t care what they look like we want them to be publicly embarrassed.
@Barry Thomson. Shutup Barry u twat the amount of times I’ve seen police abusing their powers online recently this is one of the victims who’s done some research and manages to make an income from it too and most of the time he teaches them how to do their job.
Greg - Nice one! ...I didn't know ISIS issued membership cards too. I suppose they have to carry them on active service though, just to prevent mix-ups.
"If you haven't done anything wrong..." classic! Ask them their personal details and oddly their refusal to answer isn't indicative that *they've* done something wrong! 😂
FFSake. People don't always tell the police truth. The inference is that the police always tell the people the truth. I can see their little Halo 😇 glowing above their head! 😂
_"Terrorists must be starting to get pissed off when they get mistaken for public photographers in this day and age"_ He's not a photographer. He's a knob who deliberately goes out of his way to cause conflict so you lot can circle jerk about it.
The message is clear Matt - never EVER interact with these people if you can possibly help it. Incredibly corrupt people, using S43 unlawfully for spite. Brilliant work again. Please claim, I'm sure you have, let us know how it's going.
They genuinely believe that because they became police officers that their opinion matters more than a citizen, and that they have a right to talk down to and be condescending towards members of the public who pay their wages. It makes me sick, you cant behave towards the public like that in a minimum wage retail job but you as a tax funded public servant can behave in what manner you want.
I absolutely love how you act when they push for details, nervous, not confident,,,,"do i have to give you my details then"?? Love it!!!!! Love it, love it!!!!
I love the way this guy starts off the interaction like he is completely confused and feeling threatened by the situation when in fact he is in total control.
outlaw - That's a very good idea. One I think that should be followed up on. The ABUSE of S.43 POTA and Sec. 50 of the other Act is utterly disgraceful and totally illegal.
Aye, and how many of those photographers searched turned out to be terrorists, it would be most useful in working out why they keep detaining people with cameras. Must have a pretty high hit rate for them to keep on accosting folk... .. . Otherwise why would they continue doing so?
WOW - what a brilliant audit, absolute textbook. Conversely, what an embarrassment from the Kendal Police. Lets hope training is provided. Great work mat12128 🙂
the officer searching has to give his , his name , collar number ,station ect, from the full GOWISELY in order, This link here gives more understanding some good reading of cases by Iain Gould iaingould.co.uk/2020/09/14/the-gowisely-procedure-and-unlawful-stop-and-search/
@@TheBILLANDERSON GOWISELY is used for 'normal' stop and search under the Code A Code of Practice. The Code of Practice for stop and search under section 43 and 47a is slightly different, and names do not always have to be provided. From the sec 43, 47a Code of Practice..... '5.4.4. The names of police officers are not required to be shown on the search record in the case of operations linked to the investigation of terrorism or otherwise where an officer reasonably believes that recording names might endanger the officers. In such cases (including in relation to section 47A searches) the record must show the officers’ warrant or other identification number and duty station.' Was this an 'operation linked to the investigation of terrorism', or did the officer 'reasonably believe that recording names would endanger the officers'? Probably not, but my point is that Code of Practice IS slightly different for Section 43 stops. Even if the stop is for BS reasons, such as this one.
@@Stuart_George yes like Stuart said, I don't think they are legally obliged to give a name during a terrorism search. but I think they are still supposed to identify in some other way, such as shoulder number
@@technojoe4079 No longer mandatory and in fairness most city plods are flying from one grade 1 job to another hats are just an encumbrance when jumping in and out of cars.
@@johnbratley6926 I know, I did say back in the day. However, there was a long time rule that they could only act fully under the role of constable with it.
They didn't say what they expected to find during the search. That alone made it unlawful. And how does checking your identity show what you were up to? Do a subject access request to find out exactly what their database shows on you now. Good luck trying to get to the US.
He was searched, but did they ID him? Accept a receipt for the search without providing info would be the way to go to avoid having issues at US Border Control.🥸
@@wl660 Mat knows better than to carry ID but because he has been doing this for a while now they will have a record of him. It would be fairly easy for the police to ID him. They need only have followed him home as he is always with his dog. Perhaps they have nothing but it would be good to check.
Disgraceful behaviour from those officers especially the female. Don't let them get you down. You and Oscar are going great work. Very much appreciated by all your subscribers. Excellent 👍
Sect 43 is purely and simply used to find your driving licence or some other ID. Don’t carry any. Under sect 43 you don’t have to give your details. The talk about concern and terrorism was BS. If it was genuine why would they let you continue. Pure and unadulterated intimidation.
She stated “you have not done anything” and then said “you don’t have to talk to us” How can they then escalate to Detainment under Section 43 of the the terrorism act for doing the exact thing that she just said was not illegal or wrong to do!
8:45 Police demanding that you turn off your camera is unlawful. They have their body cams running so you can have your camera running. They may request that you put it down, but they can't demand that it is turned off.
...and the moment he said the reason was “your furtive nature” not as required under the Police code “specific prior evidence of the individual relating to terrorism” ... it was an illegal search, as was switching off the camera.
On the one hand, they say "if you've done nothing wrong then there's nothing to be worried or concerned about". THEN, on the other hand, they ask for the name and address cos they are "worried and concerned". Well if THEY'VE done nothing wrong, then surely there is nothing for them to be "worried and concerned about" Their logic is completely ILLOGICAL.
The governments especially of NATO are the real terrorists. They go around bombing other countries to drive their weapons industry. Those poor pple they call terrorists are actually freedom fighters
Under Section 43, they do NOT need to provide their name. But there is a lot of other information they are OBLIGED to provide if searching you under S43, like why they are detaining you. You need to be better prepared for this, so please read up, and insist they provide all that info, and as they will likely make a mistake here, you can then follow up. Your videos are great though. 👍
@@michaelwityk3990 “Identity - The officer’s name (except in the case of enquiries linked to the investigation of terrorism, or otherwise where the officer reasonably believes that giving his or her name might put him or her in danger, in which case a warrant or other identification number shall be given).”
See Section 5.2 here:- this is the Code of Practice for The Terrorism Act. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97944/stop-search-code-of-practice.pdf
if a cop just walk up & start asking for ID for non crime & say they un-safe then they in the wrong job also if they touch someone & search them that assault, searching without a warrant & etc there for the cops sure be fired, charged, put under arrest & get a lawsuit
when cop say this day of age reply back & say will u full of shit by saying it & this day of age all cops are dumbass who need learn the law if not quit & find new jobs
These so called law enforcers makes me so sick to the stomach, they abused him for what they claim is for "his own protection", I though you only get loads of crap coming out of pigs at pig farms!! I couldn't be more wrong.
Tell you what pal, she's doing a job that you wouldn't have the courage to do eh! Remembering the two female police officers who attended a call out to another one eyed wanker. They are in their graves now as a result... How would you feel if that was your Daughter?
One must have, by now, observed the behavior and modus operandi of the blue costumed clowns and realised all blue costumed clowns follow the same modus operandi. All one has to do is to prepare reasonable responses to those same questioning tactics all the the blue costume wearing clowns use. This will close down their defenses when making a complaint and/or one grows a set of balls and decides later to challenge their behaviour in court.
The sad thing is, I can see the UK government passing a law that effectively makes street photography illegal without some kind of licence. Take for example how quickly drone registration became a legal requirement...
@Richard Dawkins Wow! 🙄 I'm not comparing what he's doing, with drone use. I'm merely using how quickly legislation around the use of drones was brought into effect, purely as an example. All the government would have to do, is make it mandatory for people register online as a photographer, then get given a license number that you would be legally required to quote if you're stopped by the Rozzers. In exactly the same way as drone registration, for example..
@@spinningwhat3315 not really. they are trained to ask questions in this way. sure, there may be some bellends but they are trained to get you to give up your details. best to say what you are doing and remain silent.
the search was unlawful, they did not state what suspicions they had under the terrorism act, refusal of details or photography are not terrorist acts, he also had no right to take camera or turn it off, you can film a search for your own protection, that became assault when he did so. A search can only be performed with a purpose of finding a specific item, a terror search can only be performed when there is specific information or terror activities in the area. when this happens court is needed its the only way they will stop doing unlawful searches and be forced to stop abusing acts
@@DaveThompsonfairlife4all unfortunately for them I don’t think there are many terrorists casing police stations with their camera in plain sight and with their terrorist membership card in their pocket.
@@DaveThompsonfairlife4all Oh it gets much worse than that. Every single successful terrorist that has perpetrated an attack within the UK in the past thirty years was already on multiple state watch lists, from the police, to Prevent, even MI6. The security forces suffer from a bizarre delusion that once they find out someone's details and put them on a watch list nothing further will happen.
More serious abuse of s43, The searching officer MUST identify himself by Name, collar number and home Station before the search starts, have permission from a senior officer, should have also complied with your request for a sergeant and he must give you a 'receipt number for a report showing the grounds for the search, what they are looking for and under which section. Photography on its own is not enough. Turning the camera off was unlawful as well, they are not allowed to do that. You also are not required to identify under s43. Completely ignorant bullying bunch of amateurs. As soon as they ask for your 'details' shut up and say nothing.
What’s your name? What’s your name? What’s your name? Boom!! Section 43 blah blah blah!! This abuse of powers needs to stop! This Act needs to be amended/scrapped.
So your white British and a citizen not shouting Ali akba, and everything is a concern.standing up for your rights is now a crime according to the Romans.
Common knowledge in Kendal is that the Police Station is NOT at Busher Walk (where this was filmed), but is located at the Masonic Lodge in Station Road!
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97944/stop-search-code-of-practice.pdf Code of Practice 4.13 is very clear about this too...
I think you (and all other auditors) should print out a copy of the search code of practise, highlight all the relevant details such as photography by itself is not reasonable suspicion for a search, the criteria they must give you before they carry out any research and how to obtain a record of the search etc and very politely ask if you can read it to them before the search takes place. Or perhaps hand over a copy so the others can read it whilst your being searched. Surely this would stump them a little to question what their doing? Then I suppose you’ll know who the good cops are and the bad eggs. Would love to see some reactions with this.
Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 can only be carried out if the officer has reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find what they are looking for. SO ask them before the search what they are looking for
I think members of the public will quite easily see who's in the wrong. Photography isn't illegal, not giving your details isn't illegal. Have they not heard of the right to remain silent. The terrorism act wasn't bought in to terrorise members of the U.K. public.
I have a lenient view towards the police.. I understand they have a very demanding role to play in society.. And for sure there are lots of great cops out there.. However, certain police officers abusing their privilege as law enforcers is not on... Those particular police officers won't care if you sue the force because the payout is from public funds. Not their money so why should they care.. They won't face charges or be disciplined by their superiors either
@@brianbarber475 You would think so.. However, they are a collective and i guess what it boils down too is you are either in or out.. If you don't support our abuses or pretend it did not happen then it is you are not one of us, and face being ostracised... I think for the good cops its a very thin tightrope they are on.. Not saying i agree with it though
"If you've done nothing wrong, then you've got nothing to hide". "Well if I have done nothing wrong, then you'll have a f*cking hard job of convicting me of anything".
6:30 Female PC: "What you are actually doing" This is after Mat has already said he's taking pictures for Flicker. They aren't satisfied with that even though it's an honest answer. They want to hear someone say "I'm taking pictures to hand to a criminal so that they can damage the van". The stupidity of the police in thinking that that is really what's happening when doing so is the least likely way that a criminal would damage the van.
Police need to stop using laws that don't apply. If everything is so secret why don't they put it all behind big high fences that no one can see anything through. Also as a number of auditors have pointed out has there ever been a police station attacked. If you don't agree you are either argumentative or suspicious. Stop the paranoia
So here is a reasonable question, so how long has it been illegal and against the law to take photographs of a police vehicle when standing in a public place with the police vehicle in full public view as was the case here ?? . Why are photographers treated as criminals all because they carry a camera and take pictures , photography is not an offence. These officers seem to have nothing better to do than pick up on minor pointless issues and use it to justify their time. We all know that in the UK we are watched on security cameras as soon as we step out side our houses or drive our cars along the road, but if we dare point a camera at a police officer or take a picture of a public building we run the high risk of being stopped and challenged, The Metropolitan Police in London in their guidelines even acknowledge that having a camera or being a photographer is not grounds to stop detain or search a person, most police officers could not give a true honest definition or explanation of the terms and conditions for the use and application of sec43 ,
The grey haired copper at the end looks like he is going to blow himself up! What do they carry all day? Looks like they have enough stuff strapped to their uniforms to last a week in the wilderness in deepest, darkest Kendal. I don't think Bear Grylls carries this much stuff, good for the crims, as the plods wouldn't last two minutes chasing anyone carrying around all that extra weight.
They make me feel sick, in my opinion they had no legal grounds for a search, just butthurt, spiteful, vile specimens. Get advice from a solicitor with experience of suing police.
When they ask you what are you doing ? "Taking photos / video for a Vlog" should be your answer. If they persist, as these are doing, go on to say "and police corruption in public office". You should get a better response from them. Name ? Answer, "am I obliged to give you my name ?" No you're not OBLIGED. You don't even have to speak with them if you don't want to. Can I have your names and collar numbers ? You should be asking for their warrant card, which they have to show you. Stop talking when you've answered their questions, your response should be, I've given you an account and ask if you're being detained. Clearly they are using section 43, if so what is the purpose for the detention?If they search you, they have to give you a copy of the search record, with all their details on the copy. I hope you follow this up Matt, with video of any calls you make to these thugs who say they are nice people, when clearly they are just like the rest, corrupt. None of them was wearing PPE either.
Jesus, imagine being married to that police woman, she never stops talking, one of those that says the same thing in a dozen different ways.
She even told what the male coppers number was cant talk for himself?
@@mapledelight What has your reply got to do with my comments that she never stops talking? landscape photographer and tazering me, sorry, that went right over my head.
You never know, her wife might be just the same!
She need's dry-bumming.
@@nicklewis1882 PC 69
She admitted earlier that you had done nothing wrong before they misused section 43. Get them done geezer.
I am 55 yrs old and NEVER called the Police for anything, watching these arrogant clowns in costumes validates that decision.
Not the old "if you've done nothing wrong then you've got nothing to hide" line !!
One of their favs, along with the climate, and day and age
@@mat12128 Would you like a shout out on my channel ? OK to make up a small compilation of clips and link back to your channel so people can watch the conclusions ? More people need to see these abuses.
The thing is, he has got something to hide. As do we all. It's called basic privacy.
Giving your details to Police is objectionable for many privacy related reasons. If you are not known to the Police, why would you want to be when you've done nothing wrong? If you are known to the Police then giving your details exposes you to an interaction with them that you would probably prefer not to have, especially as - again - you've done nothing wrong.
Claiming your right to privacy is not equivalent to an admission of guilt. That is the utter stupidity we witness here in this video and on many other videos on YT as well.
I personally would not be brave enough to have an interaction with the Police like this because I don't trust them and you can see here how they twist things to fit their own narrative in ways that disadvantage you. Respect to this guy for the way he conducted himself under pressure.
@@PINACI Hell yes mate!!! You are a star!
@@PINACI that's the audit seal of approval is it? Keep your Goggle eyed sprog of the screen.
"If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear". 🙄
There is no way they had any grounds for suspicion, please sue these corrupt criminals for the sake of public freedoms.
She had far too much to say for herself.
Don't ever think you being pleasant will stop them abusing you .
Makes them look twats when it ends up investigated tho!
The aim is to make them look like twats on camera so we can raise awareness etc, the people investigating don’t care what they look like we want them to be publicly embarrassed.
@Barry Thomson. Shutup Barry u twat the amount of times I’ve seen police abusing their powers online recently this is one of the victims who’s done some research and manages to make an income from it too and most of the time he teaches them how to do their job.
I dont understand what they expect to find during the search, an isis membership card maybe?
😆
Lol! Hoping to find his ID probably... hopefully Mat doesnt carry ID :D
Rocket launcher, semtex, booby trap.
Greg - Nice one! ...I didn't know ISIS issued membership cards too. I suppose they have to carry them on active service though, just to prevent mix-ups.
@@topcat1358 yeah literally, it's an identity card they need to have on them at all times, especially when filming a police station 😂
Disgrace. Utter utter disgrace.
No suspicion of terrorism, no grounds for search, just a bunch of butthurt bullies.
👊
I think if you wear a official police auditor id would be good
Mat s an officer
@Record Your Government
Diy
how unprofessional can the police be. The girl is painful and smug but walked away with nothing but wasted money/time, embarrassing to watch
"If you haven't done anything wrong..." classic! Ask them their personal details and oddly their refusal to answer isn't indicative that *they've* done something wrong! 😂
Tyrants. That was never a section 43
I know, fuming!
Because he would not give is details. That's why they come out with that shit section 43 tyrants abuse It all time they are laughing stock.
FFSake. People don't always tell the police truth. The inference is that the police always tell the people the truth. I can see their little Halo 😇 glowing above their head! 😂
Terrorists must be starting to get pissed off when they get mistaken for public photographers in this day and age. 😂
😂😂
😂😂
quality
Brilliant Comment Bravo.
_"Terrorists must be starting to get pissed off when they get mistaken for public photographers in this day and age"_ He's not a photographer. He's a knob who deliberately goes out of his way to cause conflict so you lot can circle jerk about it.
The message is clear Matt - never EVER interact with these people if you can possibly help it.
Incredibly corrupt people, using S43 unlawfully for spite.
Brilliant work again.
Please claim, I'm sure you have, let us know how it's going.
They genuinely believe that because they became police officers that their opinion matters more than a citizen, and that they have a right to talk down to and be condescending towards members of the public who pay their wages. It makes me sick, you cant behave towards the public like that in a minimum wage retail job but you as a tax funded public servant can behave in what manner you want.
"Being cheeky"
Is knowing your rights cheeky now? 😂
👊
I absolutely love how you act when they push for details, nervous, not confident,,,,"do i have to give you my details then"?? Love it!!!!! Love it, love it!!!!
Reel the tossers in let em hang themselves like they did here
You’ve helped pay for those vans. Every right to photographs
You have to have a job and pay taxes to pay for stuff. So doubt it somehow.
@@industrialfun sausage
I love the way this guy starts off the interaction like he is completely confused and feeling threatened by the situation when in fact he is in total control.
Glad someone gets it ;)
Hardly he gave them all his details 😂😂😂
Try the silent treatment next time - they can't do anything if they can't get a response from you - they can only respond to a response
Saying "Know English" can be amusing so long as you remain silent after and don't react to any further questions.
@PC. Yann You shouldn't have to repeat yourself though. You make the statement and then go silent. But that's just me
i wonder if a freedom of information act request should go in to see how many times they have searched photographers under this act
outlaw - That's a very good idea. One I think that should be followed up on. The ABUSE of S.43 POTA and Sec. 50 of the other Act is utterly disgraceful and totally illegal.
Aye, and how many of those photographers searched turned out to be terrorists, it would be most useful in working out why they keep detaining people with cameras. Must have a pretty high hit rate for them to keep on accosting folk... .. . Otherwise why would they continue doing so?
WOW - what a brilliant audit, absolute textbook. Conversely, what an embarrassment from the Kendal Police. Lets hope training is provided. Great work mat12128 🙂
Under section 43 cops do only need to give their collar number, but they did once again abuse section 43 to search you.
the officer searching has to give his , his name , collar number ,station ect, from the full GOWISELY in order, This link here gives more understanding some good reading of cases by Iain Gould
iaingould.co.uk/2020/09/14/the-gowisely-procedure-and-unlawful-stop-and-search/
@@TheBILLANDERSON GOWISELY is used for 'normal' stop and search under the Code A Code of Practice.
The Code of Practice for stop and search under section 43 and 47a is slightly different, and names do not always have to be provided.
From the sec 43, 47a Code of Practice.....
'5.4.4. The names of police officers are not required to be shown on the search record in the case of operations linked to the investigation of terrorism or otherwise where an officer reasonably believes that recording names might endanger the officers. In such cases
(including in relation to section 47A searches) the record must show the officers’ warrant or other identification number and duty station.'
Was this an 'operation linked to the investigation of terrorism', or did the officer 'reasonably believe that recording names would endanger the officers'?
Probably not, but my point is that Code of Practice IS slightly different for Section 43 stops.
Even if the stop is for BS reasons, such as this one.
@@Stuart_George yes like Stuart said, I don't think they are legally obliged to give a name during a terrorism search. but I think they are still supposed to identify in some other way, such as shoulder number
@@TheBILLANDERSON no he doesn’t. Not for a Terrorism Act search.
@@livestream3946 CODE 5.4 =record of search CODE 5.4.1 (e) = the officer’s warrant number or other identification number
"If you've done nothing wrong, you're nothing to worry about" - Said by tyrants everywhere
Why is cops NEVER, or very rarely, wear their hats nowadays? - in this current climate and in this day and age, they run around NOT in full uniform!
It's due to the current climate, global warming and less rain :P
The old pointy helmets make them look like what they really are.....
Pricks....!
They're actually supposed to. Well they were back in the day.
@@technojoe4079 No longer mandatory and in fairness most city plods are flying from one grade 1 job to another hats are just an encumbrance when jumping in and out of cars.
@@johnbratley6926 I know, I did say back in the day. However, there was a long time rule that they could only act fully under the role of constable with it.
They didn't say what they expected to find during the search. That alone made it unlawful. And how does checking your identity show what you were up to? Do a subject access request to find out exactly what their database shows on you now. Good luck trying to get to the US.
He was searched, but did they ID him? Accept a receipt for the search without providing info would be the way to go to avoid having issues at US Border Control.🥸
@@wl660 Mat knows better than to carry ID but because he has been doing this for a while now they will have a record of him. It would be fairly easy for the police to ID him. They need only have followed him home as he is always with his dog. Perhaps they have nothing but it would be good to check.
@@wl660 you do not have to ID when searched under sec 43.
Disgraceful behaviour from those officers especially the female. Don't let them get you down. You and Oscar are going great work. Very much appreciated by all your subscribers. Excellent 👍
🐾 👊
Sect 43 is purely and simply used to find your driving licence or some other ID. Don’t carry any. Under sect 43 you don’t have to give your details. The talk about concern and terrorism was BS. If it was genuine why would they let you continue. Pure and unadulterated intimidation.
She stated “you have not done anything” and then said “you don’t have to talk to us”
How can they then escalate to Detainment under Section 43 of the the terrorism act for doing the exact thing that she just said was not illegal or wrong to do!
8:45 Police demanding that you turn off your camera is unlawful. They have their body cams running so you can have your camera running. They may request that you put it down, but they can't demand that it is turned off.
Ah kendal police finding and making up excuses to boost there none existent arrest numbers
dogs got more common than the tree of em
A guy taking pictures in the Lake District, that's suspicious, not many people take pics in lake district.
🤣
hahahhahahah good one
i put in a google review i hope everyone else shows their displeasure
Haha, nice one!! 😆
Same here.
...and the moment he said the reason was “your furtive nature” not as required under the Police code “specific prior evidence of the individual relating to terrorism” ... it was an illegal search, as was switching off the camera.
Those police vehicles belong to the British tax payer. Keep up the good work exposing the corrupt system. God bless you
Nice one 👊
On the one hand, they say "if you've done nothing wrong then there's nothing to be worried or concerned about".
THEN, on the other hand, they ask for the name and address cos they are "worried and concerned".
Well if THEY'VE done nothing wrong, then surely there is nothing for them to be "worried and concerned about"
Their logic is completely ILLOGICAL.
That's because it's verbal diarreah they're taught to spout as mindless robots following other people's orders!
When u hear "This day and age ".u know whats coming next terroisiom always .
How can giving your details protect you
The governments especially of NATO are the real terrorists. They go around bombing other countries to drive their weapons industry. Those poor pple they call terrorists are actually freedom fighters
they need to state their name number and the station they are based at
No they don't under Section 43 of the Terrorism Act.
Your allowed to film whatever you like the coppers know this , they are probably bored
4:06 She specifically stated that, You've done nothing wrong."
They only use PACE and Section 43 To Inadvertently “find “ ID, That condescending Female officer was the worst of the 3
This birds attitude is too much
I translated her words as, ~"Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah "Blah Blah Blah Blah"
Under Section 43, they do NOT need to provide their name. But there is a lot of other information they are OBLIGED to provide if searching you under S43, like why they are detaining you. You need to be better prepared for this, so please read up, and insist they provide all that info, and as they will likely make a mistake here, you can then follow up. Your videos are great though. 👍
I will do some studying of it as i am learning a lot as i go along and much from all you guys! Respect and thanks to all! 👊
Sorry they have to provide 3 forms of information and that's in their police policy
@@michaelwityk3990 “Identity -
The officer’s name (except in the case of enquiries linked to the investigation of terrorism, or otherwise where the officer reasonably believes that giving his or her name might put him or her in danger, in which case a warrant or other identification number shall be given).”
See Section 5.2 here:- this is the Code of Practice for The Terrorism Act. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97944/stop-search-code-of-practice.pdf
@Wil Jones Yeh was me, could of used it here too
if a cop just walk up & start asking for ID for non crime & say they un-safe then they in the wrong job also if they touch someone & search them that assault, searching without a warrant & etc there for the cops sure be fired, charged, put under arrest & get a lawsuit
when cop say this day of age reply back & say will u full of shit by saying it & this day of age all cops are dumbass who need learn the law if not quit & find new jobs
These so called law enforcers makes me so sick to the stomach, they abused him for what they claim is for "his own protection", I though you only get loads of crap coming out of pigs at pig farms!! I couldn't be more wrong.
while they mess with a guy taking a photo of pig van , a teenager is being groomed by the rats these pigs should be protecting them from ..
Well that just about sums it up "init"
"We're just chatting"
If it's just a chat, you don't need my details.
They proved why you should be wary and defensive around police.
The great British police at it best , who does she think she is
Tell you what pal, she's doing a job that you wouldn't have the courage to do eh! Remembering the two female police officers who attended a call out to another one eyed wanker. They are in their graves now as a result... How would you feel if that was your Daughter?
@@michaelbates7025 ,took some mental gymnastics to get to what you wrote, from what I said you crank.
@@TheHughsharkey Mmmm does not make any sense at all, "Mental Gymnastics, What the fuck does that mean? Too big a word for you to understand?
One must have, by now, observed the behavior and modus operandi of the blue costumed clowns and realised all blue costumed clowns follow the same modus operandi. All one has to do is to prepare reasonable responses to those same questioning tactics all the the blue costume wearing clowns use. This will close down their defenses when making a complaint and/or one grows a set of balls and decides later to challenge their behaviour in court.
The sad thing is, I can see the UK government passing a law that effectively makes street photography illegal without some kind of licence. Take for example how quickly drone registration became a legal requirement...
@Richard Dawkins Cheers flower 🌼 Unfortunately, you're missing my point, dear boy.. 🙄
@Richard Dawkins Wow! 🙄 I'm not comparing what he's doing, with drone use. I'm merely using how quickly legislation around the use of drones was brought into effect, purely as an example. All the government would have to do, is make it mandatory for people register online as a photographer, then get given a license number that you would be legally required to quote if you're stopped by the Rozzers. In exactly the same way as drone registration, for example..
Terrorism Act 2000 section 47AB. 4.13.1. c) the police have no power to stop the filming or photographing of incidents or police personnel.
Ciao is good, but I think "you're dismissed!" is even better.
Watch part 2, coming soon then ;)
@@mat12128 - Deffo! Looking forward to it. You're doing a great job
When’s part 2 coming
@@tit791 Will get it uploaded on wed (21st)
@@topcat1358 👊
The female cop is talking in circles.
And annoying... could you image living with her and having an argument. ... Jesus you’d walk out
@@tit791 and she doesn't listen. She would talk over you and not hear a thing you would say.
They are so thick and lap doggy, that circular reasoning is a natural occurrence due to their poor levels of self thinking.
@@spinningwhat3315 not really. they are trained to ask questions in this way. sure, there may be some bellends but they are trained to get you to give up your details. best to say what you are doing and remain silent.
She clearly doesn't get it much
She's got a long tounge
@@markcooper1940 don't they all?? Thought that was standard?
All kit and no common sense!!!
the search was unlawful, they did not state what suspicions they had under the terrorism act, refusal of details or photography are not terrorist acts, he also had no right to take camera or turn it off, you can film a search for your own protection, that became assault when he did so. A search can only be performed with a purpose of finding a specific item, a terror search can only be performed when there is specific information or terror activities in the area.
when this happens court is needed its the only way they will stop doing unlawful searches and be forced to stop abusing acts
when was last time police station was targeted by terroist never
Maybe they think they're in Northern Ireland
Or more to the point, how often do they catch a terrorist through searching someone under the section.
@@DaveThompsonfairlife4all unfortunately for them I don’t think there are many terrorists casing police stations with their camera in plain sight and with their terrorist membership card in their pocket.
@@DaveThompsonfairlife4all Oh it gets much worse than that. Every single successful terrorist that has perpetrated an attack within the UK in the past thirty years was already on multiple state watch lists, from the police, to Prevent, even MI6. The security forces suffer from a bizarre delusion that once they find out someone's details and put them on a watch list nothing further will happen.
More serious abuse of s43, The searching officer MUST identify himself by Name, collar number and home Station before the search starts, have permission from a senior officer, should have also complied with your request for a sergeant and he must give you a 'receipt number for a report showing the grounds for the search, what they are looking for and under which section. Photography on its own is not enough. Turning the camera off was unlawful as well, they are not allowed to do that. You also are not required to identify under s43. Completely ignorant bullying bunch of amateurs. As soon as they ask for your 'details' shut up and say nothing.
Albert - I think there's an exemption for cops searching under POTA to NOT give their name, because of the special nature of the offence.
Top Cat what offense? Ha ha
@@topcat1358 I think that only applies if they genuinely have reason to believe the person is a terrorist or has ill intentions.
@@albertrichardson6160 - You're right there was NO offence. I should have said "suspicion". Sorry!
@@topcat1358 that's for TACT units
You're doing fantastic work mate. Very brave.
Nice one Raymond, Respect mate
@@mat12128 looking forward to pt 2.
she has a huge chip on her shoulder!!!
What’s your name? What’s your name? What’s your name? Boom!! Section 43 blah blah blah!! This abuse of powers needs to stop! This Act needs to be amended/scrapped.
Wait till you see part 2!
using section 43 just for a refusal of details is outrageous ,the police are out of control
Ooft... that was a close call! Thought they were going to find your RPG Launcher!
So your white British and a citizen not shouting Ali akba, and everything is a concern.standing up for your rights is now a crime according to the Romans.
I was walking my dog and she started wagging her tail I thought she could smell cannabis
They always use the "Terrorist Card"
If they used that on me ......I would laugh my head off 😂😂😂😂
"You've done nothing wrong......"
43 again...when will sausage meat learn...
Common knowledge in Kendal is that the Police Station is NOT at Busher Walk (where this was filmed), but is located at the Masonic Lodge in Station Road!
Section 47 - photography is not suspicious under the terrorism act
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97944/stop-search-code-of-practice.pdf Code of Practice 4.13 is very clear about this too...
I think you (and all other auditors) should print out a copy of the search code of practise, highlight all the relevant details such as photography by itself is not reasonable suspicion for a search, the criteria they must give you before they carry out any research and how to obtain a record of the search etc and very politely ask if you can read it to them before the search takes place. Or perhaps hand over a copy so the others can read it whilst your being searched. Surely this would stump them a little to question what their doing? Then I suppose you’ll know who the good cops are and the bad eggs. Would love to see some reactions with this.
Will be doing this next time
@@mat12128 keep it in your pocket, they will think ID
Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 can only be carried out if the officer has reasonable grounds for suspecting that they will find what they are looking for. SO ask them before the search what they are looking for
These police officers, are incompetent. Make them answer in court for their unlawful detainment and acquisition of identification.
She is a very very poor Police Officer 😑😑😑
She’s brilliant
@@goncaloamaral7846 really 🤣😆
Follow up on this one. These thugs were well out of line.
Their sows are the worse they have no idea how to de escalate a situation they try to show they have bigger balls than the bores
“Help us, to help you” classic line 😂
I think members of the public will quite easily see who's in the wrong. Photography isn't illegal, not giving your details isn't illegal. Have they not heard of the right to remain silent. The terrorism act wasn't bought in to terrorise members of the U.K. public.
I have a lenient view towards the police.. I understand they have a very demanding role to play in society.. And for sure there are lots of great cops out there.. However, certain police officers abusing their privilege as law enforcers is not on... Those particular police officers won't care if you sue the force because the payout is from public funds. Not their money so why should they care.. They won't face charges or be disciplined by their superiors either
Well said
If there were good ones they would stop the bad ones doing what they are doing. Are they?
@@brianbarber475 You would think so.. However, they are a collective and i guess what it boils down too is you are either in or out.. If you don't support our abuses or pretend it did not happen then it is you are not one of us, and face being ostracised... I think for the good cops its a very thin tightrope they are on.. Not saying i agree with it though
"If you've done nothing wrong, then you've got nothing to hide". "Well if I have done nothing wrong, then you'll have a f*cking hard job of convicting me of anything".
I was Born in Kendal and have lived there all my 59 years. Very disappointed by these clowns and will tell them if I see them around.
That female copper sounded like she was almost doing you a favour by getting your personal details.
Oh o feel disappointed, I was hoping this was a video of 3 police officers getting bats around the heads. Oh well🤔
Can you put your masks on please you are scaring me and the dog
Yeh, and that!
Mr policeman the public is 100% behind the fact that photography is not a crime.
How do they not realise they are saying he's guilty till proven innocent
6:30 Female PC: "What you are actually doing" This is after Mat has already said he's taking pictures for Flicker. They aren't satisfied with that even though it's an honest answer. They want to hear someone say "I'm taking pictures to hand to a criminal so that they can damage the van". The stupidity of the police in thinking that that is really what's happening when doing so is the least likely way that a criminal would damage the van.
Exactly, common sense would say that although it is unusual what the hell can someone do with pics of a police van........
She was desperate for him to kick off. Cocky cow
All auditors go to Kendal, everyone else bombard them with calls to the station, this needs to stop NOW
1639 needs sacking .
Police need to stop using laws that don't apply. If everything is so secret why don't they put it all behind big high fences that no one can see anything through. Also as a number of auditors have pointed out has there ever been a police station attacked. If you don't agree you are either argumentative or suspicious. Stop the paranoia
Why is a crooked letter that cannot be straightened
Tyrannosaurus tyrants
So here is a reasonable question, so how long has it been illegal and against the law to take photographs of a police vehicle when standing in a public place with the police vehicle in full public view as was the case here ?? . Why are photographers treated as criminals all because they carry a camera and take pictures , photography is not an offence. These officers seem to have nothing better to do than pick up on minor pointless issues and use it to justify their time. We all know that in the UK we are watched on security cameras as soon as we step out side our houses or drive our cars along the road, but if we dare point a camera at a police officer or take a picture of a public building we run the high risk of being stopped and challenged, The Metropolitan Police in London in their guidelines even acknowledge that having a camera or being a photographer is not grounds to stop detain or search a person, most police officers could not give a true honest definition or explanation of the terms and conditions for the use and application of sec43 ,
The grey haired copper at the end looks like he is going to blow himself up! What do they carry all day? Looks like they have enough stuff strapped to their uniforms to last a week in the wilderness in deepest, darkest Kendal. I don't think Bear Grylls carries this much stuff, good for the crims, as the plods wouldn't last two minutes chasing anyone carrying around all that extra weight.
They make me feel sick, in my opinion they had no legal grounds for a search, just butthurt, spiteful, vile specimens. Get advice from a solicitor with experience of suing police.
Complete vermin , earning the hate on a daily basis , knobcheeses .
A nice 1 star on Google will be good for them.
When they ask you what are you doing ? "Taking photos / video for a Vlog" should be your answer. If they persist, as these are doing, go on to say "and police corruption in public office". You should get a better response from them. Name ? Answer, "am I obliged to give you my name ?" No you're not OBLIGED. You don't even have to speak with them if you don't want to. Can I have your names and collar numbers ? You should be asking for their warrant card, which they have to show you. Stop talking when you've answered their questions, your response should be, I've given you an account and ask if you're being detained. Clearly they are using section 43, if so what is the purpose for the detention?If they search you, they have to give you a copy of the search record, with all their details on the copy. I hope you follow this up Matt, with video of any calls you make to these thugs who say they are nice people, when clearly they are just like the rest, corrupt. None of them was wearing PPE either.
Yeh, i am brushing up on it all now for next time!