Quiet On Set & The Politics of Accountability
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
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0:00 The Dan Schneider Conspiracy Problem
6:00 Notes On The Format
7:40 Brian Peck & Drake Bell
11:19 The Absence of Amanda Bynes
13:52 The Case Against DanWarp
15:51 Move Over Robin Roberts, It's T-Bo Time
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A Nickelodeon star who participated in explosive documentary series Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV isn't impressed with former producer Dan Schneider's video addressing the doc's claims about his time at the network, including allegations of sexism and creating a toxic work environment.
Alexa Nikolas, who played Nicole Bristow on Zoey 101 and appeared in Quiet on Set, released a lengthy reaction video to Schneider’s RUclips response, in which the Zoey 101 co-creator admitted "there's definitely things that I would do differently" and said "I definitely owe some people a pretty strong apology." In her own video, Nikolas called out Schneider for releasing the public statement instead of making private apologies to the kids who worked on his sets.
“When someone doesn’t personally come to you and apologize, it’s not an apology,” she said. “If you hear about it through other people, it’s not really an apology right? An apology is to the person that you hurt. That’s what an apology is for.” 
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By the way I just want to recommend that if you’re going to comment with some not-safe-for-TOS terms, you might want to consider censoring with stars (s*x, p*do, etc) because your comments will get auto-moderated by RUclips, I have no control over it unfortunately. Cheers!
Edit: Since this video is leaving the regular audience I just wanted to clear up two things. One, more info has come out about the Drake Bell victim case than what I was initially aware of, I was going by what they said it about it in the documentary when I recorded this, and he is absolutely not absolved just because he told his own CSA story. Like he is still very clearly in the wrong. Additionally, just based on a misunderstanding in the comments, I'm not saying that any personal testimony in the documentary is a conspiracy, but the story around Dan Schneider has become so sensationalized that it often propels people down illogical conspiracy rabbit holes about everyone in Hollywood being p*dos, which, you know, does not help anybody. Hope this clears things up, appreciate the feedback!
Seems like you are just in denial. It’s no secret that hollywood has a child s*x ring. Jeffery Epstein’s island exists for a reason, and it’s not “conspiracy”, it’s facts. you are just taking it to heart because you work in hollywood. the documentary isn’t perfect but this whole video just feels like you defending all the weirdos who work in these environments
Your speech in the beginning is spot on
Especially the Tiktok conspiracy videos on it
It's never about justice for the victims it's about grifting off of really bigoted, homophobic and antisemitic views about Hollywood's sexual abuse
And it's really sick
What breaks my heart the most about what happened to Drake is that his dad actually tried to protect him, but was outmaneuvered by both Peck and Drake's mom. The fact that he thought he did save his son, only to discover what happened after the fact just makes it all the more devestating.
Him breaking down and crying during his interview was so painful to watch :(
I can’t imagine the kind of pain and guilt he must’ve felt. Wishing him the best
His own Mother?
@@adaradavina7450 Yes. His dad literally asked her not to let Drake anywhere near Peck and she ended up letting him sleep at the man's house.
@@deanthomas2961 thats so messed up
I agree with you about the Amanda Bynes thing. I understand that it's impossible to tell that story without bringing her up, but she obviously dosen't want to talk about it, and it seems like she's still struggling with her mental health, so it just felt kind of weird and exploitative that the doc was implying that Dan victimized her when Amanda wasn't there to give her perspective. I think that it's amazing that these child actors are at a point in their lives where they feel comfortable sharing their stories, but that dosen't make it ok for them to talk about what might have happened to Amanda. I feel like people have become obsessed with trying to figure out what specific thing "broke" Amanda Bynes, instead of just accepting the fact that she's dealing with some pretty significant, long term mental health issues and will talk about things if/when she feels ready and able to. I think people feel entitled to her story because they saw her grow up on tv, and that's just not fair to her. There's already more than enough evidence that Dan Schneider is a horrible person, we don't need to interpret Amanda's healing journey just to get one more sensationalized soundbite for people to spread around on tiktok.
The docuseries felt exploitative and it felt like everyone is piling on Dan as the person who "ruined people's lives" yet no one even came forward to allege Dan did anything s3xually abusive to them. The story really should have been on Nickelodeon and Brian Peck. I do believe Dan when he says he did not hire Brian Peck, but I also know Dan was an abusive and awful person in his own right. The thing I'm questioning right now is if he deliberately hurt or abused kids or if he was just a bad person who was mean to everyone equally. I'm starting to think he was just a bad person who was mean to everyone, kids, adults, etc. and he didn't do anything specifically targeting kids. People seem so eager to say Dan did it, but no one has come forward and told their story of what Dan did to them, and that to me, that idea, that they can speak for abused people and say "Yep, Dan did it" is exploitative to me.
@@LordRaykeni mean, so much of the content of his shows was practically fetish material. always focusing on the kid's feet 🤢, having them get shot with lotion/lipgloss in VERY suggestive ways.. victorious was the worst offender. even if he didn't physically touch any of them, it was gross what he did do.
@@z.s.r.h To be totally fair here, Nick was all about sliming kids, gross out humor, putting pie in peoples faces, exploding stuff all over people, etc. I mean, Gibby had his shirt off for years in iCarly and he was a chubby boy just being stupid. I think looking back adults may be putting some of their thoughts into what was just stupid material that made kids laugh. One of the foot scenes is Tori using a bow and arrow with her feet... And I'm like... Is that really a fetish? ... Firing a bow and arrow with a foot... lol
@@LordRaykenis that seriously what you took away from the documentary… yikes
@@LordRayken I'm going to address the last part: YES. That scene is absolutely f*tish fuel. The very definition of the word "f*tish" includes the fact that it is a non-s*xual object that has no s*xual context around it that causes the person to be horny, and even be unable to get horny without the object. So, for someone into feet, no, it doesn't have suggestively framed. For someone with a f*tish, just the imagery is good enough. But to do that with a character that the show wants you to perceive as cute and sexy? Yeah, having her use her feet is a nod to the feet people going "I see you. Want some of this?"
Also, to debunk your other argument that you're slightly making. Ruining someone's life doesn't have to involve SA. You can just be emotionally ab*sive and ruin their life. Also, being mean to everyone is diminishing way to describe workplace s*xual harrassment which is one of the issues. To be very blunt, I think you need to watch the documentary again if this is what you got out of it because clearly, you need a few more go arounds for your media literacy to sink in.
Finally, I don't think the documentary was trying to say that Schnieder did do anything to Amanda Bynes. I think they were more of trying to show how toxic the environment was and just point out that this likely played a hand in her ongoing issues. Look, I don't like speculating, but I find it very difficult to believe she was in that type of environment and it had no effect. I think it's more that it very likely compounded some existing issues at best. Just like, I wouldn't say her role in She's the Man led to her mental health crisis, but seeing as she spoke about how dysphoric that role made her feel, I don't think it helped what she was already dealing with. I'll put it this way: mental breaks that require interventions do not just happen typically. They are usually a culmination of many smaller issues. Just like if you look at other people who "snapped" (both from mental health use of the word and true crime sense of the word), you rarely actually see one big cause. It is far more common to see issues brewing, stressors piling on, and similar things before the "snap" happened. So that it really wasn't one thing. It was all these other things and rather, this one thing was when the dam broke. It didn't cause it, but it was when everything that had been accumulating overflowed. Now, I do I know this is Amanda's issue? No. But again, I think it is fair for us to look at the environment she was in, the pressure she was under, the things she has spoken of, and other factors, and for us to draw a reasonable conclusion that "This didn't help. It likely was a contributing factor that exasperated things."
Also, to be clear: even as a teen, I was weirded out by the foot thing. I was aware even then that this was bordering on f*tish fuel because, yes, I knew that that was a thing. I didn't get all of them, but at the same time, even watching as a teen, it was often enough that I noticed and went "this feels like something else and not a gag..."
I’m a translator and I did (non-English) subtitles for this documentary and let me tell you, translating Drake’s retelling of what happened, and his dad’s, made me cry several times
oh god, that truly must have hurt to listen honestly
I don't blame you dude. Thank you for the work you did 💜
I hope you’ve had better days since, taking the time you need to process
Ty for your work 🫶
Thank you for your work. You helped lots of people who didn't speak English to understand the documentary. You spread this message further. I salute you. Thank you.
Soooo many adults failed these kids.
Starting with the ones who were supposed to protect them THE most!!! Smh
Shame on parents for letting greed be more necessary than protecting their own child!
I really hate the type of parents who's always pushing their kids to follow what they wanted to when they were younger and most of their kids later turning to dark path like crimes and drugs because of the pressures. Why didn't they do it when they were younger or even when before they were married?
Good thing my parents won't allow me to do that.
Taran Killam wasn’t just on SNL, he was on the Amanda Show in a segment called “Moody’s Point.” He worked under Brian Peck at the time and with Drake. Which makes it more painful
Omg wait I totally forgot he was in that skit damn
He is also in an episode or two of Drake and Josh. I specifically remember him being the dumb guy who sold the dune buggy to Drake.
Edit: can confirm via IMDB
He was also in big fat liar with Amanda
I think it's worth saying that we can hold space for the pain of Drake Bell and also acknowledge the harm he did. One does not cancel out the other. He was harmed because he was the accessible vulnerable party as a child, and he later found himself in a position to harm someone else who was vulnerable because he was not given adequate support to break that cycle. Our culture is not good at allowing nuance and it's extremely hard to address the cause of abusive patterns if we don't.
You're not lol if you didn't catch on at this point that Drake is innocent of that case then I really have no idea what else to tell you😅😅😅
he isn't dumbass
@bvphomet I know right 😆
The devil works fast but Kayla works at Kris Jenner speed
Usain Bolt speed
@@Woozy.0 or the speed of that female runner that just beat Usain! I forget her name but she's neat
Supposedly there's a blind item that Amanda bynes was approached for this doc and just the ask was very triggering for her
If that is true then she wants to stay out of the public because they're the ones doing damage they're taking stories and making it their own they are making these conspiracy theories about Amanda so of course she's not going to want to talk if she says one thing like oh I actually love my time on set it's after I left this one thing's really hit the fan then people will disagree with it and say no we know what Dan did to you and never get off that narrative it's just so annoying
I wish I could trade every laugh these actors gave me growing up for them having safe childhoods
The fact that this man who was an adult the whole time he worked there thought that he had any credibility to interview someone about allegations of being gross primarily to young girls is wild. It just makes it look like the only person Dan could get to sit down with him was some occasional guest star who is so far from the situation.
I don’t even know the guy who interviewed him so that does paint a picture. This is most likely just something to put himself out there. I don’t see what he has to gain though. If the allegations against Dan are true, why root for the guy? So many questions on that interview. How long was the interview in planning? How did Dan select who was going to interview him? If The documentary on his set antics gets this response, imagine how bad the allegations could be that nobody has disclosed yet due to living in fear or living under scrutiny if they come forward against Dan.
@@RainbowKaraokeJunk-vt9puthere is nobody afraid of coming out about anything about Dan whether they're lying or telling the truth at this point, the whole world is apparently against Dan the guy can't even walk out his house without somebody probably standing there giving him the Hawkeye all freaking day it's so annoying honestly nobody's hiding anything right now they're not saying anything because everybody's minds think of the absolute worst outcomes and worst possibilities that Dan did all these things when literally there is Brian Peck Jason handy that people should be literally talking about more however that's not the narrative everybody thinks Dan did something well until that day comes people need to stop pressing on Dan so damn much cuz they're going to get bored eventually and move on
Pedophiles were often sexually abused as children. Not everyone who was sexually abused as a child goes on to sexually abuse children but almost all child sexual abusers were also sexually abused as children. I feel like we need to do a lot more to help survivors of childhood sexual abuse recover from what happened to them. Not just for them but to protect the next generation.
Exactly
In this story, Drake Bell is a perfect example of someone who started to do onto others what was done onto him. Abuse is cyclical, and we need to invest more resources in helping people break out of/not fall into repeating those cycles
I was just thinking this, well said.
@@mason311he never sexually abused anyone Tf
I guess this is true, but on the flip side, I feel like it’s far more likely that a childhood abuse victim is to be abused again later in life than be an abuser. (Sorry for mistakes I’m sleep deprived)
so surreal to exist in an epoch where "think of the children" is hurled at educators, librarians, and LGBTQ individuals simply existing; no, "gender theory" is not harming children. the privitization of childhood through late-stage capitalism and the nuclear family structure (eg: parents annuling their children's autonomy to make them entertainers and breadwinners) does, in fact, contribute to an atmosphere of harm. Nick and Disney are embodiments of this ):
...anyways read Judith Butler's "Who's Afraid of Gender?"
OOOOOF tea. Can't agree more.
yes always judith butler
This is so true it hurts.
To be fair "think of the children" fits perfectly here. Watch the doc. Drakes father complained to the studio about Peck being too close witt his son and got hit with the "u homophobic!" card instead of taking his concern seriously. Let's not make the same mistake again. If parents sense danger for their children, may it be by a librarian or a teacher, let's hear them out!
I'm gay myself and erasing LGBT individuals isn't my goal here. But can we stop vilainizing concerned parents?
@@hassanalkhalaf1115 The point was that "think of the children" is "hurled" or, in other words- overly used, when it comes to people who are just existing- aka not harming children. And relative to the amount of discussions and scrutiny about teachers, librarians, lgbt, etc in general, not enough discussion is being had about this particular industry where children are being put in harmful circumstances at a high rate. And why? Disney and Nickelodeon making $$$ off these kids (and not wanting it to become a larger discussion) probably has something to do with it.
love your point about how sensationlized coverage of this can be. When this first broke we had people bordering on just making stuff up about it to keep making "content"
Time will tell if Nickelodeon bounces back but this is damning to the entire industry
The Darke Bell situation with all the noticable names on Brian Peck's side is awful.
That second dude she mentions in the video still acts in children media, he participated in Enchanted 2 as early as last year if I'm not mistaken. Makes me feel weird.
"Which one of you fellers is the REAL Dirty Dan?" Makes more sense now.
As much as i sympathize for Drake for the shit that happened when he was young, but he made his decisions as an adult that perpetuated child endearment and creepy shit in general. And mind you, he dropped a music video when the episodes dropped.
Not invalidating you, but I believe at the end of the documentary he has no desire to be anywhere close to the mainstream entertainment industry. All he wanted to do was play music and be on stage. Auditions were his bond with his father, and Hollywood destroyed it. Sadly, we need time. To wait and see what he does with his power dynamic or what little of it he has left. I hope it’s not for evil.
Not James Marsden we literally can’t have anything god
Should've known the day he decided to play a cop in Sonic. 😔✊
NOOO NOT BOONE FROM FALLOUT NEW VEGAS 💔💔💔💔
Omg I know! That one hurts
He and Will really hurt
Jason Marsden was Craig Boone, not James
to say drake bell got in trouble for "talking to a girl who was 16 or something" is kind of an understatement because *ALLEGEDLY* he started engaging inappropriately with the victim when she was 12 and it went on for years. he was found guilty of this in the court of law so i feel like maybe this could've been addressed a little better? good video though
okay this is a fair critique, I was just going by the way they addressed it in the documentary and my memory of the situation when it first happened. Apparently more info has come out about it since I last followed up so that's my bad. It absolutely doesn't matter how old the victim was and like I said in the video, this testimony doesn't absolve Drake of anything he did.
Yes but as you mentioned it’s alleged and was the case was dropped as the girl lied (not blaming her). He was charged for texting her and comparing that to sexual abuse is crazy.
That's what you got from that? That's not what she said. Go back and listen again
The whole documentary is just a ploy for Drake Bell to try and recover his career and paint himself as a victim and it seems like it's working.
@@gamerpaul89…he suffered very real abuse as a child, and he WAS a victim. And as an adult, he became a perpetrator. Both things can be true, neither should be obscured
This docuseries has been at the forefront of my mind over the past few days it was a really compelling but gut-wrenching watch. Would love another Quiet On Set but discussing Disney and hearing directly from stars who were in a completely different but equally toxic environment.
Even calling it “The Dark Side of Kids TV” feels like it’s actually going to talk about kids tv in general but it’s just Nickelodeon.
I assume they probably couldn’t have had the company in the title due to legal issues
That's a non issue. The title.
I'd like them to go into more detail about the other perverts employed at Nick over the years like John K. Disney has plenty as well.
Maybe they couldn't use "Nickelodeon".
I see where you’re coming from, but quite a few of these behind the scenes staff members worked with other networks such as Disney. So, by generally saying “kids tv” does make it applicable. For all we know they may continue this as a series about other networks as well.
@@Astoldbysomeginger I really hope they do because while Disney Channel may not have been as egregious, there was definitely shady shit going on there too.
I'm not saying what happened to Drake Bell isn't absolutely horrific, but he chose to perpetuate the cycle of abuse. To me, at least, it felt like the documentary was attempting to almost absolve him of his own actions by framing it as "oh well, what can you expect, he was abused." As a CSA victim myself, I just found it to be insulting. I think there's also something to be said about the fact that he's trying to restart his career now, as if this is something he can use to regain the public's trust. Drake Bell is a predator with a pattern of abuse not only towards a minor, but several of his past partners. I'm glad he was able to tell his story, but that should be the end of his time in the spotlight.
Really great video as always, I wish more people would talk about the harm around spreading these kinds of rumours without solid facts!
I don't know, I have kinda mixed feeling about it, I guess. What Drake did (and of course all the others that act the same way) IS HORRIBLE, and I'm not denouncing that in any way. But I like to maintain hope that even if you did something horrible that you can never atone for, you can still choose to get help and be better and stop hurting others. I'd like to live in a world where monsters could be redeemed, instead of never fully trusting anyone because they, too, could be a monster and have that be inherent to them instead of something that can be controlled and mitigated. I'll admit that his "I've done my time" stance isn't exactly comforting nor does it inspire confidence that he won't do it again. I just wished that having something horrible like this happen to someone wouldn't be the thing that seals their fate, you know. It's so bad to be defined by something that was done to you instead of something you actually did.
I agree with this. I feel like for me, it doesn’t excuse his actions, but explains them. While I still feel sorry for what he went through, he still did what he did. Disappointing and disturbing, but it is what it is, unfortunately. :(
There is some research that should be put into it. I feel the show couldn’t talk about it because it would be too controversial but the court case through zoom is public and there are videos of individuals who got the transcripts from the trial. The girls friends testified that she was lying in her testimony and that she told her friends she was going to do this to him because she was obsessed with him. He did plead guilty to inappropriate messages but in the case they explain that the messages stopped as soon as he found out how old she actually was. Idk I think this case is murky but the more disturbing charges against him were dropped and he did not have to register as a sex offender
@@LunaWitcherArt I 100% agree, but rehabilitation and not redeemition though.
@@Dave102693 yes, exactly. It's not about getting a clean slate, it's about not continuing the harm they've done.
WB is like "see our kids channel only abused adult animators"
Is there a way to watch the movie without WB?
nah I think it was only distributed on Max and Discovery but yeah I agree fuck WB lol
Amanda Bynes just warned in her IG that she doesn’t have a TT, apparently somebody is taking some of her IG posts and writing weird captions when publishing them on TT.
Good god, so her exploitation continues…
This poor woman just can’t catch a freaking break.
Brian peck idolizing John Wayne gacy major red flag 🚩
Dan should of stepped in and told the mfer to F off and never come back and then get the popo involved
Not just idolizing, but was PEN PALS with the guy…
@@angelaalfaro6905I would run not gonna lie. That’s really weird
@@user-rg6um2ri1x and that Nickelodeon hired him after the fact
@@thepubknight6144 yea. Really odd. Nickelodeon was probably desperate for someone with show business experience.
I appreciate you vocalizing and addressing some of the same concerns Ive had about both the documentary and the hysteria around it. Ive had trouble coming up with a way to describe my feelings and now Ill just send people this video because its spot on.
I just watched the documentary, I guess the only thing I keep going back to is how the didnt gave Alexa enough time to tell her story, like they use a few quotes here and there but we dont actually hear from her about her experience. And now thinking about your point of them talking for Amanda who is not there, like, why not cut a bit of time from speculating about other people and listen to the one who is actually there ?
Yup this!!! I’m sure Alexa gave them a lot to work with, I’ve seen her talk about this stuff a ton. And she was like barely in it
I've only kept up with Alexa's claims a few years ago so I don't know everything but I wonder if it's bc her main allegations involved bullying from Jaime Lynn and not so much Dan (even though she said he kind of enabled the bullying). Maybe the doc didn't want to throw Jaime in there when it was mostly about the adults?
Collective guilt is also growing around it too.
Like, no, Janet, 9 year old me did not know about Dan Schneider outside of his bakery thing.
I just watched the docuseries on the night it premiered and it is wild. The thing that bothered me was that after the docuseries aired, Dan did an interview with Boogie, the actor who played T-Bow on iCarly, and the lack of accountability on his part.
You hit the nail on so many things I felt while watching this doc, particularly about all the speculation on Amanda without her presence. Thank you for also speaking to something I've been feeling lately, about Qanon's focus on equating people who work in the entertainment industry with CSA. It's easy to get the idea that Hollywood has an especially high rate of these crimes because news involving famous people gets disproportionately wide circulation and attention, meaning we are all more likely hear about, pay attention to, and remember news of CSA within Hollywood than the CSA that happens within schools, churches, teams, & families. There's absolutely a lack of oversight in the entertainment industry that (as we see in the doc) allows easier committing of these crimes, but I think many people fail to understand how widespread this type of crime is and tend to be more suspicious of it in groups they already don't like, while assuming it's less prevalent in groups they identify with.
It's an old and effective tactic to create a narrative saying a certain group commits SA (especially CSA) as a way of dehumanizing that group -- you can see it written about Jewish men in 1930s propaganda; about Black men for literal centuries, about Mexican men, about queer people, etc. Qanon is currently using the tactic for essentially the same reason -- it's not a coincidence they work so hard to stoke distrust and hatred of people in Hollywood, an industry / geographical location with particularly large populations of liberal, Jewish, queer and Latinx people.
It’s not nicknamed “hollyweird” for no reason, it is extremely prevalent in that industry…
@@makayla03333 I agree it's prevalent, but I question the assumption that it's MORE prevalent there than in other organizations. Many people seem to believe so, but I wonder what that belief is based on. I honestly don't know whether it's correct or not; I certainly wouldn't be shocked if legitimate research suggested higher rates of CSA in the industry than in other organizations. But I personally had trouble finding that specific info. (My search wasn't extensive though, so lmk if there's actually a bunch of studies by reputable sources that I missed.) Again, I don't know whether the rate is higher or not, but I doubt that current attitudes and perceptions about CSA in Hollywood are primarily based on evidence. They seem based more on hatred for certain groups associated with Hollywood. Why else have conservatives become extremely vocal about CSA in Hollywood specifically, an industry where liberals and minority groups make up a large portion, while not speaking up with the same frequency or vehemence when it comes to CSA in other communities like churches, schools, etc, where it is also rampant? There are ways we can work to stop these crimes in our communities, including the entertainment community -- but I don't see that work being done in earnest by most of the people who proclaim how depraved Hollywood is. Anyway, I'm serious about wanting to find research so if you know any studies specifically about rates of CSA in the industry vs outside of it, post 'em here!
I was SA’d by a family member when I was 6 yrs old. The feelings of shame and anger kept me from telling anyone well into my 20s. I don’t think people understand how hard it is for guys to speak out about the abuse done to them. I can’t imagine coming forward and having such high profile people defend your abuser. I don’t excuse what Drake went on to do in his adulthood but I feel for him on a human level. Hopefully he can finally start to heal and move forward with his life.
Aaah yes a comment I could fully agree. I do think Drake made huge mistakes by messaging his fans. Also his ex girls claims that he was abusive but yet nothing I court was proven. He obviously has wronged people and hurt others. And yet I emphasize with him and his pain. His being addicted to drugs and self destructive behavior for years. I’m glad he plead guilty for his actions and took the consequences. He doesn’t deserve a clean slate but I hope he does rehabilitate and makes better decisions for the future of himself and his family. Also I do hope in the future we het a clear story of what Drake has done somethings seem true and other stuff are just dodgy and mieles because of click bait media cover
I totally agree that they should have backed off more when it came to stuff about Amanda... I adored her growing up and ofc I'm curious to know what happened but we're not entitled to her story. Not to mention, i can't imagine how weird it would be to see all these strangers online speculating about your trauma and what it could be.
That's what's wild to me... They're saying Dan is a predator but let the leading ladies come forward and tell that story. Stop making up what things could be. How awful is it? So far, none of them have come forward.
@@LordRayken it's also like why do we need to escalate his allegations with speculation? Like is what we know not enough? It's not crazy or entertaining enough or something? These are real people. It's almost as if folks would be disappointed if she were to tell her story and he didn't sexually abuse her, which is crazy. Considering all the wild theorizing, idk if I'd want to come out about it either.
@@kbucket Would they attack the girls for "covering " for him if they came out and said he did nothing? This has gone too far
One thing I’ve noticed is a strange trend of kids jokes getting automatically called f3tish content. I won’t deny that there are some instances that should be looked into, but people also forget how much kids like gross-out humor, and weird scenarios. I think the public convo around writing jokes for kids needs more nuance.
Great video! You hit everything a lot of people were observing. I hope the aftermath of the doc help victims in the long term
Great vid! Also I think Dan Schneider just signed that awful denouncement letter about Jonathan Glazer's Oscar speech, so add that to the list.
I enjoy watching documentaries, & this was 1 of the better 1s I've seen in a while. I won't say "it ruined my childhood," but as someone who grew up with most of the shows they talked about it was eye opening to the dark behind the scenes issues & "adult humor" I missed as a kid.
I appreciate the internet showing some genuine rare nuance with this situation. Yes Drake is a victim and has been through horrific abuse but he also put a minor in a dangerous situation and he received the punishment that he deserved for that.
And yes, I'm so hurt by the James Marsden revelation. I'd be surprised if he came out and said anything about that letter.
Some corners of the internet unfortunately aren’t showing nuance, glorifying him, but it’s absolutely important to acknowledge both things. And it seems like most people in these comments are doing that, which I appreciate 💞
It feels wild to me to see this docuseries making the rounds like it is because it’s been well known that back in the late 90s and early 2000s that Nick was a factory for horrible people with bad sexual proclivities to be hired in.
And now seeing it all come to light feels like maybe it should have been talked about way sooner
That's the thing that gets me the most and it's not just about quiet I'm sad it's a lot of documentaries about certain things in Hollywood that's coming out now and honestly I'm not taking away from what the kids went through but you mean to tell me that's especially I grew up watching make end But especially nicology and I'm about to be 36 so that should tell you I'm like the millennial generation and growing up with these shows and things like that you mean to tell me that no one knew about this and watched it all happe and you need to tell me that all of these things were happening under their watch and nothing was done I wish this documentary came out a lot sooner honestly again I'm not taking away from any of the victims or any because everybody and child start up there trauma's different from everybody else says some may be experienced things that are much worse than some of those you know but I definitely would have liked I definitely would have liked here Talk about what happened to her because I still feel like something major happened to that girl I loved her since I was a little kid myself so it's crazy to think about
I agree. The actions of Cosby coming to light in the early 2000s is something I vividly remember and he didn’t face justice until years later after Me Too. Same with Weinstein. I think we have just gotten to the point in our society where talking about these things are no longer taboo.
@@caminandoyflotando Bill Cosby actually bragged about drugging women's drinks on Larry King in 1991 when he was at his most popular
But according to everyone in the media, they had "No idea" he did that
Amanda created a secret twitter account years back exposing what was happening to her when her and dan would "Disappear on set" so if anything did happen I believe it, especially considering how she went into a spiral and is only now seemingly recovering.
That was a fake account created by someone who wanted to spread rumors.
@sp.2778 so a fake account is going to have Amanda's Drivers license to prove its her?
@@VybeX-if Amanda was trying to be anonymous why would she give her drivers license?
@traxagenda3445 to prove she's not some fake person going around spreading rumors. After she posted what was going on her account was removed
You bring up a very solid point towards the beginning of the video about the dangers of generalization/pigeon holing based off one isolated occurrence. To me, it's the same kind of idea as people refusing to recognize that some social issues are grey areas and can't possibly be framed in solidly black or white without doing irreperable damage. I feel like a lot of people have either never learned or have forfeited their critical thinking/comprehension abilities for the sake of choosing the "Right" answer. We all need to understand that things cannot be tossed into general buckets of an idea (ideas like "All of Hollywood is like this" ) especially when innocent lives are involved.
Yes, there are multiple cases of dark things in Hollywood, but there cases of the opposite too. To insist that everyone in Hollywood is a dastardly pest with evil and exploitative intentions reduces the issue to a joke or conspiracy, making people tend to take these real isolated incidents far less seriously.
How about how the internet fell out of love with Nickelodeon 😂
Cuz that's exactly what's happened 😭
After watching that documentary I am physically sick. It was almost traumatic just to watch what happened to those kids.
Make NO MISTAKE... the responsibility lies at the feet of all the adults in this situation.
This story is very real and this IS an ongoing and very real issue in Hollywood.
I wish more people would take it seriously and stop using the excuse of "conspiracy theories" to ignore it.
agreed, i was so excited for the new avatar verse content being made but i don't want to give nickelodeon the views damn it
I finished the doc last night and came back to this video today Kayla. I always love and appreciate your perspective!
It was honestly so important for Drake to be in this. It's a very educational moment of abusers are usually repeating a cycle of violence. It doesn't absolve him from any of his wrong doings but I'm glad they gave him this opportunity.
Survivor here. Difficult watch, for sure, but thank you for discussing this as carefully and thoughtfully as you did.
Kayla, I love how I have to stop whatever I'm doing just so I can watch your videos!
Sincerely appreciate your work, and thanks for focusing on this subject! Also, really loving the haircut!
Thank you for making this video. This is the very articulate and very informal and it's you're just cutting to the point where everybody wants to know the basic information and what we missed. I appreciate you
I believe that Amanda had a twitter account where she made some allegations against him. I don't know if they didn't want to use it because it was under a pseudonym.
You're honestly one of my favorite channels!
It was crazy to hear experiences from other people who were on All That. I think I would rather rewatch Alyson Stoner's series on childhood stardom, though, honestly.
I wept for the innocent child Drake was. He didn’t deserve what happened to him.
But I shed no tears for the man he became and how he perpetuated the same abuse.
I have not seen it myself yet, but I appreciate your breakdown of it. I also really love your shirt. 💙
I thought they used those clips of Ariana Grande way too much
You have such good vibes I'm happy I found this video /gen
Watching this documentary ultimately gave me a lot of flashbacks and reminded me a lot of my childhood and made me realize that I was being abused that whole time. It’s a shocking thing to realize and I didn’t go into it thinking it would hit me so hard. I feel so bad for Drake, Amanda, Jennette, everyone else this man either facilitated or enabled the abuse of. It’s just so horrific how bad it was. And the scariest part is that it was all right there for us to see in the content. I haven’t been able to sleep right. Take care of yourselves everyone. It’s a rough watch.
My heart ached for Drake, I thought they handled that interview very well. I agree though, episode 4 felt like filler. Overall, it was interesting to hear some of the cast members and writers first hand accounts.
I don’t watch tv anymore but are there currently live kid shows being filmed? Curious what changes have been made, if any.
By live to do you mean live action or in front of a studio audience? The answer is yes to both of these.
Love your content! Any plans to improve audio quality of the shots when you're on camera? PS new haircut is a serve
I’ve also been following Alexa Nikolas and Eat Predators for a while and also knew some things about Dan, Peck and Drake before. Thanks for giving us a breakdown bc we can’t get the doco in the U.K. yet. I really feel for all the kids whose lives were effected in a negative way by something that was meant to be kid friendly and safe. There should be big compensation, huge, ginormous! I think Nickelodeon should sack everyone and give the place to the people it traumatised to do with as they wish.
I’ve never been this early, I’m ready
Jesus, Kayla - I barely finish the documentary 🤯 the work rate
HAHAHA I never stop 💀💀
I think you summarized my opinion about quiet on set pretty good. I was excited for this documentary because it seemed like it was going to drop a bombshell on Dan Schneider, and while it show that he is definitely a creepy and piece of shit, there is no concrete evidence that he is a p*do or that he S/A-ed someone. I don't know if Amanda will ever be comfortable to tell her story or if we the public will ever know if something bad happened with her, because we don't have concrete evidence. It's weird to say I wanted more out of this but with how it was marketed, I thought I would learn something new that I didn't before (and I did learn a couple new things but like I said it wasn't the tell all about dan schneider that people wanted).
Side note, when I first saw boogie's video on IG, I thought dan was just an actor playing dan and I thought it was some big elaborate joke but when I realized it was dan, it was kinda yikes.
Okay, but to clear up some things about what Drake did. These are the facts. This part all has evidence to back it up, with the court records. :
1. Drake was ONLY charged for communicating with a minor through text.
2. NO EVIDENCE OF PHOTOS EXCHANGED WAS EVER FOUND.
(And texts that were deleted can very easily be pulled back up, so if photos were exchanged the FBI would have found it. But NO PHOTOS WERE FOUND. Meaning the minor absolutely. 100% lied on her end, because she says in her testimony that photos were exchanged. Doesn’t look good for her.)
3. Drake says that the account he was talking to was fake and lied about their age, and he was unaware of the person’s REAL age, and once he found out that the person was a minor, all communication stopped on his end.
4. The only reason Drake pleaded guilty, was because he was given a plea deal, where pleading guilty was what gave him just probation and some community service hours.
Now, here is some hearsay that I have heard. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS PART IS FACTUAL OR NOT.
1. Friends of the minor who pressed charges against Drake, have literally said she lied. They were with her at the concerts and have said she never spoke with him privately in person, and they were the whole time.
2. The minors aunt has also came forward to say that it was lie.
Now with all that being said, I think that this case SHOULD NOT speak for all cases. I believe that with each allegation brought up, all evidence should be considered.
Unfortunately some people do lie in court for money and attention, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE DOES.
Statistically speaking, most allegations of sexual abuse towards young children and women are 100% real, and victims of these crimes need a safe space to come forward and speak about it and get justice for those crimes.
But why did he plead guilty and not say “I didn’t know her real age” right from the start? Also, the texts were from age 12 to 15 at least. In all that time, he never asked her age?
@@violetlavi2207apparently, the site was supposed to be for adults, so one would go in assuming that everyone on the platform would be of the appropriate age, which was not the case in this instance. The girl lied about her age by keeping it to herself, which is why Drake didn’t ask further since, again, one would assume everyone would be over 18+, and it wasn’t until he found out that he did cut contact.
@@angelaalfaro6905 still very weird to me that this didn’t come up BEFORE he pled guilty. Kinda seems like that should’ve been one of the first things he (or his lawyer) said in his defense
I listened to the whole thing at work but didn’t get to watch it and a lot of it is so creepy. I feel so bad for Drake and his dad. Hearing all of the actors that wrote about Peck and his character made me want to throw up. Victim blaming is so gross and icky. The first pedo they talked about was so gross. How he had plastic baggies with girls names on them and “ souvenirs” in them was disgusting 🤮
Protect kids all over the world
Love the background music!! Great video 😊
A fifth episode is premiering on April 7th called "Breaking My Silence"
Love this video (and all your videos)! But is that a Mac Tonight t shirt!? 😂
It is! My boyfriend just got it and I stole it from him lol
Loving the Mac Tonight shirt
Dan Schneider was on the 80s sitcom Head Of The Class from 1986 to 1991 as Dennis Blunden. Who knew that in real life Dan was his Head Of The Class character Dennis. 🏫🤔📺📚
And "Better Off Dead".
I hadn't seen or heard of this documentary but now I might go watch it!
Didn't Amanda Bynes old tweets from the early 2010's imply Schneider knocked her up? I do think it was a mistake not to bring her on to talk, but I'm sure she was invited, but rejected. I felt like 4 episodes was too short.
As someone who has been abused both as a minor and an adult, I found this documentary eye opening not exclusively because of the whole Drake Bell thing, but rather because I got to see how similarly abusers work. Abuse happens because the tactics behind a lot of it are wildly successful. It’s not your fault as a victim and you’re not alone.😊
I haven’t watched it yet (I have recorded it tho) but what I’ve found pretty interesting from a decent amount of people is that they’re surprised the documentary is done decently well. Like I guess if you mainly watch documentaries on streaming platforms they are generally hit or miss because there are different crews for each one. And while it was immediately streamed on max this is an ID channel documentary and that is their bread and butter. They only do true crime docs. So I’m not surprised it was a generally decent documentary but I am surprised so many people are surprised by that fact lol.
Everything serious aside, THE HAIR?!? YESS MAMA!!!
Great video.
The way I came from the rigged recap to find new kayla says content
For other notes, Brian Peck was in the first X-Men movie in a cameo with Stan Lee on the beach. The scene with Robert Kelly
And he did commentary eith the director Bryan Singer. And producer Tom DeSanto defended Peck.
The people behind that film definitely have some skeletons.
Frs
@@Dave102693it's awful. Love Singer's X-Men minus Apocalypse and....no defending him as a personal
Completely agree. Unrelated but where did you get your shirt?
You said it!
Kayla learnt the word harrowing and hasn’t slept since
LMAO I didn’t realize how much I said it!!
3:35 i couldn’t agree more ! it’s like “boys where be boys”
I feel so awful for drake bell and other child stars
Touching on the Amanda Bynes situation: I’d say I’ve seen majority 2 kinda of commenters, though I will say different platforms have different engagement sometimes and I’m comparing my experience on IG to Tiktok. But on IG there’ll be commenters who are totally in support of Amanda with “you look so good” or overall super encouraging with what she’s doing. Then you’ll have the whole “poor thing, look how soulless she looks” types of comments but I’ll shut down that kind of negative focus here and there when I have the time.
Your haircut looks nice, the shoulder length is really pretty!! :-)
thanks friend!
So I have watched all four episodes twice now. Because with documentaries like this I always try to watch twice. Once to just listen to the story the documentary is trying to tell, and the second time to be more objective.
I did not feel like you did about how they handled the Amanda situation. To me, I never felt like there was going to be a bombshell dropped. Both times I watched I felt like it was just more set up for “this was the culture of Nick, this is how Brian Peck and Jason what’s his name we’re allowed to happen.”
I understand your concern about people fully sliding into Q-anon stuff with this kind of story too, but I think at this point it can be acknowledged that CSA is wildly prevalent in Hollywood and other elite circles.
The amount of people who didn’t know about these things is mind blowing
omg i really want to watch this but there is seemingly no way in the UK i wanna watch all these vids about it but i dont want spoilers ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i cant sign up for a free account even with a VPN and cant find any watch online free links ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would they do this i wanna watch itttttttttttttttttt
Here’s something that people need to know about Hollywood. You create a character for yourself and you convince 30 people that you are this person all the damn time. And the other side of Hollywood of people who know that you are a worthless piece of garbage. The moment you go to court you have the people that you lied to, by creating a persona character for yourself knowing if something ever did go wrong, you have those 30 people that can back you up because they were under your illusion the entire time..
It’s called playing the game right and how to have the power for survival. Even Family members can have a second half of themselves of when they show their face to their family, or to their coworkers or other friends. Everyone in this world can sometimes have completely different personalities, depending what group they’re hanging around with..
Remember, it’s part of care and love that you want to stand up for your best friend because you have memories with this person and you grew up with them. But you have to consider the fact that what goes on between your relationship with your best friend has nothing to do with how they treat other people around the world when you are not around them..
there’s a huge chance. Your best friend can be the biggest piece of garbage out there in the world, and you would have never known because they don’t allow themselves to show their true selves to you. Always be on guard with every human being that lives and walks on this earth, titles are just titles.
I want to add that Rider Strong & Will Friedle (who the doc mentions being on Peck’s side during the trial) came out before the doc and said they had no idea the extent of Peck’s crimes until they were already in the courtroom sitting on his side. Both Will and Rider seem tortured by what they did; Will describes sitting there and “wanting to d*e.” Peck manipulated everyone in his life into protecting him, knowingly or unknowingly.
I agree that we should leave Amanda alone. She has been through enough.
I'm glad you made this video, because I've had a hard time articulating how I feel about this whole thing. I feel like making a bunch of assumptions about the people who were potentially exploited, especially Amanda Bynes, who didn't participate, is deeply weird. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those assumptions are true, but that is her story to tell if and when she wants to. Nobody should have their tiktok comments flooded with invasive questions about their assumed abuser.
I also feel like posting pictures of Amanda Bynes 20 years ago and now and being like 'wow look what they did to her' is, uh, rude as hell? Why are you taking jabs at her appearance? Do you look the same as you did when you were a teenager? Nobody asked for your opinion on her hair or tattoos.
Based on the stories we've heard, I think /surviving/ is an accomplishment for former child stars. Leave them alone if they don't ask for the attention.
I’m on episode 2 of the documentary and when I tell you that I’m fuming, I am angry. I also want to say that the Ned’s declassified cast has such a nerve to go on Tik tok live to joke about the documentary because it is disrespectful in many ways and they should be ashamed of themselves. I was also shocked to see that Will Freidle sign the letter because Batman beyond is one of my favorite shows and I need a moment or two to process everything that I heard.
I think i’m in the same boat. I met Will at a convention a few weeks prior to the documentary dropping, and it hurts because not only is Thundercats 2011 one of my special interests, but I paid 100 dollars for him to sign an OOAK Lion-O doll and the complete series Blu-Ray. What I’m trying to say is that I’m trying to come to terms with it all, at the moment all I can feel is horror mixed with shock and disbelief
Quiet on set I wanted to see it but for some reason it’s not available in the uk so I’m watching RUclips videos about it instead
Yesterday, Dan just posted a video with T-Bone defending himself and going on an apology tour. I can't even 😒😡🤬🙄😒😡🤬🙄😒😡🤬🙄😒😡🤬🙄😒😡🤬🙄😒😡🤬🙄
Harrowing. Loved the video, I’m a busy person don’t always have the time to watch a full-ass docuseries to stay current. Insightful reflections. U used the word “harrowing” two too many times.
that Mac tonight shirt...
Where can I watch it?
What film industry did you work in where someone wasn’t finally creepy?
I always knew something with Taran Killiam was off. Now we know
Wildly off topic but, it's weird to see Mac Tonight in any context outside of Seth Meyers' Corrections but also I want that shirt
as a society, we all need to just collectively CANCEL hollyweird.