@@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily No, there is no clutch, so it's not a manual. Think more of what modern car marketers call automanual except it works a little differently.
I had lightning rods shifter in 1981 on a 70 Chevelle mated with a TH400 manual valve body 3000 RPM stall convertor . Mine wasn't so stiff and much easier to shift, nicer looking too.
Damm driving this thing seems hell of fun!! I remember my aunt having an oldsmobile cutlass supreme and loved it; but my best friend's dad had a hurst and as a young boy I thought the shifter looked like something out of a space movie lOl
I can see these being useful if other people tend to drive the same car. Like an ol lady who tends to burn clutches, but i wouldn't trade my Hurst V-matic inline for nothing!
But the original Hurst lightning rod shifter had "Hurst" stamped into them. As he said: "We are not putting the name Hurst into them, because it has with license to do." So they are re-built ones from the original Lightning Rod. And this car was a Cutlass Supreme, so no lightning rod shifter was avaiable for this model.
In my Firebird TA . It’s more of a grab and jam. More torque curve with the 454 Spins up and 2nd right there .3rd I’m glad I’m not driving a manual reverse body with a trans brake.
Victor Villasana that's exactly what they made for to help your car perform better when you are racing. that's why the Cutlass Hurst was the baddest of them all because of these shifters. if you no how to work them an you have good power in your motor nothing is gonna touch you
i am considering the long version for my truck. I would like to be able to shift my auto off road more easily. Don't like doing it with the column. not going crazy, not bouncing it off the rev limiter, just want to shift more easily when doing rocky, hilly terrain
I would like to see a little more motor and a shift kit of whatever kind theres something about that bark into 2nd it's got the torque lol put a quadrajet on her that would open those secondaries all the way and moan like a tortured cat .love that sound
I don't understand the advantage of this over a normal console shifter on a traditional automatic where you can put it in position 1 to stay in first gear, position 2 to stay in second gear, etc. Seems like how quickly the transmission shifts would have more to do with line pressure than whatever type of lever is controlling the valves.
@@ttpawla123 The Engineers must have either laughed or cried whan Marketing proposed the idea. May as well have also had three steering wheels to go left, straight, and right.
If this is 1982 ,theLightning Rods made their debut in the 1983 Hurst / Olds there is no way on God's gray earth that engine is stock . Stock was a 307 with 180 hp.
I don't like to push it in next gear - its like shift in a Smart to pull it like a pro would be much better I guess think about a "Lightning rod column Shifter" I guess it could be funny.
Its almost like a manual, but for someone who can't operate a third pedal lol. Listen to that auto trans shift lag it still has, basically the same as powershifting on the column. They're cool for what they were tho.
Is it necessary to use the buttons when upshifting? I only ask because my brother has an '83 Hurst/Olds with lightning rods and with his you can just slide each lever forward to upshift, only using the buttons to downshift. So, I guess I'm trying to figure out whether his are broken or just designed that way.
Is that a Cutlass Supreme or Salon? I have an 86 Cutlass Salon 442 and have the exact Midnight Blue interior. Like the concept of the remake of the lightning rod shifters but I will stick with the factory ones in my 83 Hurst Olds. Are these available yet? and also how would I get them if the originals happen to go bad in my Hurst Olds
Meh, the kilduff is a dorky knock off lightning rod shifter that looks like a kindergarten project gone bad. I've seen a few installs and they look out of place. The goofy rods are too big, they protrude too high and on awkward angles. The factory lightning rod or Toby's rods as shown in the video are true to the originals. I would go dual gate before putting a poser, clone kilduff junk in my car.
L92 Oldsmobile is right. This is a knockoff of the stupidest shifter Hurst ever came out with. Go ahead and show us how smart you are with a response here. I can't wait.
The Kilduff shifter is cheaply made and looks stupid. The guys promoting the Kilduff stuff are working out of a greasy garage and think that laser cutting and stamped steel components are state of the art manufacturing LOL. Hurst should take legal action against Kilduff for using the "lightning rod shifter" trademark while promoting their product. It's a goofy ass knock off. Comon folks, people want the real thing....not an imitation with inferior materials.
its a good consept,,,,,but i think that it would be alot easer to pull back to shift when ya have alot of power that going to throw you back into your seat rather than trying to push them forward,,,,,especialy when ya have to push a knob just to get them to move,,,,,,,,but they do look prety slick
That was cool and sounds great love the G's I just got this recommend so I know this is 4 yrs ago, u still have her? Btw like I said I love the car and thanks for the tutorial but I gotta say GO RAVENS!!! Balti. & Cinci. 2morrow!! Lol✌take care brother
Advantage, you can get higher RPM's before you shift. Automatic transmissions often shifts on certain RPM's. If you want to surpass these RPM's this is the way to do it.
@@treefiddyzz3381 Faster acceleration with automatic transmission, looses some topspeed momentum. Manual transmission, slower acceleration gain faster topspeed momentum. Todays modern automatic transmissions however got a mix between elderly automatic transmissions and manual. That means best of the both worlds. Good acceleration and having it's topspeed momentum left in them. But if you meant faster acceleration. Yes, automatic transmission got that.
I am not sure if the reproduction top plate will fit the GP console. I am installing a set of rods into a monte with a gp console soon, so we will know more later.
Technically yes. Because these shifters only work with the TH200 4R, and the 442s all have that same transmission, then if you take the time to hook them up, the will work.
Not trying to be rude but that shifter makes no sense. You want to “pull” your gears not push. The detent buttons would be cumbersome. Nothing a racer would want.
I'd like to install the setup in a 1981 Corvette that has a ZZ-383 latest model GM 450 horsepower GM Performance Crate engine, 750 Barry Grant Double Pumper, Pro-Shot 75 125 Nitrous Fogger ,with a 700-R-4 behind it by TCI with a 3000 RPM electric lock up Stall Converter, and 3.73-1 Dana 44 3rd member. Car is scary fast at 3010 pounds with 5 gallons of low lead 110 octane AV Gas, liquids + me at 185 pounds included,but the single shifter is "stodgy" looking and feeling. The Lightening Rods always excited me since their introduction in the Genuine Hurst Oldsmobile's and their over the counter limited availability for other G body's and a select few other cars. I would like to use a manual trans C-3 Corvette center shift plate, modified if necessary. In your opinion wound this work and is it a viable install even if fabrication is necessary? Thanks, Phil
judo4 bagels they really did an still hot to this day. you can't even buy this body for under 10k in GA. basically if you have a Oldsmobile an it doesn't have lightning rods. you really don't have shit unless it's one of the 7s model
i have a set in my 1980 cutlass but its a 3 speed set i am going to be changing to a 4l80e so need a 4 speed set any way to change mine to 4 speed?? thanks
I don't get it, this system just seems so unnecessarily complex. Honestly curious here, what are the advantages, other than the lack of a clutch (which, personally, I would consider a detriment), of this kind of shifter system? Seems to me that a manual transmission, by comparison, would not only be a cheaper and simpler solution, but would allow more precise control over what the car is doing and therefore be faster. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, however.
DerMetzger . it was a cool way to shift faster without as you say using a clutch. they are also very cool in my opinion. does it increase performance in a normal v8 car, no. but many use them at a race track in turbo buicks for drag racing and easibility 1-2, 2-3 shifts
Toby Pawlaczyk alright, fair point, I can see that being an advantage on the strip. Still kinda impractical for daily driving (says a guy who got rid of his a/c and most of his interior to save weight), but truth be told, so is damn near everything that we do to make our cars a little faster. Also, clean install dude.
the normal 5speed is easier to drive, but damn, cant we just appreciate the lightning rod shifter, it looks so badass
Pretty sure using the lightning rods is completley optional. You can just drive it like any other automatic.
Edit: Agree that it looks cool though.
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh So it's basically automatic with manual shifting if wanted?
@@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily No, there is no clutch, so it's not a manual. Think more of what modern car marketers call automanual except it works a little differently.
instablaster...
@@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily No, not even that. It's just a regular automatic with PRND321 and the rods are for moving the shifter between 1 2 3 D
I’ve watched this a million times. Looks great and she sounds healthy. ❤
Thanks, I cannot believe it's been 7 years, I sound much healthier then lol.
This Olds sounds REALLY HEALTHY... What is going on under the hood?
Man! Love the sound! Always loved the 1984 oldsmobile hurst lightning rods! Beautiful car.😎👍
Your car sounds great
I had lightning rods shifter in 1981 on a 70 Chevelle mated with a TH400 manual valve body 3000 RPM stall convertor . Mine wasn't so stiff and much easier to shift, nicer looking too.
Damm driving this thing seems hell of fun!! I remember my aunt having an oldsmobile cutlass supreme and loved it; but my best friend's dad had a hurst and as a young boy I thought the shifter looked like something out of a space movie lOl
I never understood how these works until now GREAT VIDEO 👍
I can see these being useful if other people tend to drive the same car. Like an ol lady who tends to burn clutches, but i wouldn't trade my Hurst V-matic inline for nothing!
your interior is flawless, the gauges look very sharp...props
Car sounds tough and I appreciate the lightning rods but in my opinion no clutch = waste of time. Those upshifts had a long delay.
nice to see some innovation with the lightning rods i love it!!!!!!!!!!
Good God! For 9:31 I was transported back to 1984! Such great memories! Mine was green. Bought it from my dad's best friend, had 32k miles on it.
Man, these Hurst Olds are badass!!!!! Sounds badass too!!!
you boys obviously don't know nothing about a Cutlass. two words Cutlass Hurst
But the original Hurst lightning rod shifter had "Hurst" stamped into them. As he said: "We are not putting the name Hurst into them, because it has with license to do." So they are re-built ones from the original Lightning Rod. And this car was a Cutlass Supreme, so no lightning rod shifter was avaiable for this model.
I'm a professional driver and that's the hardest combination of rules to propel anything down road I've ever seen. Lol.
Semis are easier to understand than this 😂
Most educational video about lighting rods
Man, that's dope!
In my Firebird TA . It’s more of a grab and jam. More torque curve with the 454
Spins up and 2nd right there .3rd
I’m glad I’m not driving a manual reverse body with a trans brake.
it would be much more educational without the music i can barely hear what you were saying
It's Rob Zombie , it is culture like moonshiners are
It's got cool factor. Guys , it not meant to be better or for performance. It's just different.
Victor Villasana that's exactly what they made for to help your car perform better when you are racing. that's why the Cutlass Hurst was the baddest of them all because of these shifters. if you no how to work them an you have good power in your motor nothing is gonna touch you
i am considering the long version for my truck. I would like to be able to shift my auto off road more easily. Don't like doing it with the column. not going crazy, not bouncing it off the rev limiter, just want to shift more easily when doing rocky, hilly terrain
Victor Villasana dude that's exactly what there for performance. you use that lightning rod shifters for racing.
Something tells me that a dual gate shifter does exactly the same thing with the added benefit of not having to reach for a bunch of handles
Love the Zob Rombie in the back playing lol
I would like to see a little more motor and a shift kit of whatever kind theres something about that bark into 2nd it's got the torque lol put a quadrajet on her that would open those secondaries all the way and moan like a tortured cat .love that sound
Toretto approves this
I don't understand the advantage of this over a normal console shifter on a traditional automatic where you can put it in position 1 to stay in first gear, position 2 to stay in second gear, etc. Seems like how quickly the transmission shifts would have more to do with line pressure than whatever type of lever is controlling the valves.
to be unique and different
@@ttpawla123 The Engineers must have either laughed or cried whan Marketing proposed the idea. May as well have also had three steering wheels to go left, straight, and right.
Nice pull at 1:56 👍👍👍👍😎
What happened to the beautiful American automobile companies , shame !!!
Cool
listen to that baby purr
AxelTheArcanine it does sound good.
Are these available? And can you slap shift them without pushing the buttons like the originals?
Contact Gbody parts, hopefully he has them available by now :), and no cannot slap shift
Unless you're power shifting a Lenco this would be a pain in the ass lol.
Lightning Rods are soo cool! A bit wierd thoug, that may be the reason they never took off.
I like the Kilduff shifter,less bull shit, line lock, and nos button, and it looks a lot better too...
Are the lighting rod shifter available? If so, what are they running for?
Contact Gbody parts, hopefully he has them available by now :)
Great video but ditch the music
If this is 1982 ,theLightning Rods made their debut in the 1983 Hurst / Olds there is no way on God's gray earth that engine is stock . Stock was a 307 with 180 hp.
was a buick 350 with 268 cam. Was a reliable and fun engine, oddball but tons of torque and fun
those shifters do kick ass
My parents had a racetrack, I was the little flower girl, .... Well, the rest is history.........
That is nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sound mean !!!!!!!!!!!!1
Anyone else notice Dragula by Rob Zombie playin in the background?
Yes, it was extremely annoying/distracting.
Tyler Barnett I’m dedicated to the sound of the V - 8
I don't like to push it in next gear - its like shift in a Smart
to pull it like a pro would be much better I guess
think about a "Lightning rod column Shifter"
I guess it could be funny.
Its almost like a manual, but for someone who can't operate a third pedal lol. Listen to that auto trans shift lag it still has, basically the same as powershifting on the column. They're cool for what they were tho.
Why not put a shift kit in and be done with it?
Straight up 4 speed would give you the same effect except having to push in the clutch.
hey all, I am the person in the video. We are trying to work out some issues with mass production of the shifters to get them into production.
That is AWESOME! I've been looking for a set of those for my gen 2 Z/28.
Great. what's your contact info? website?
do you know if i can get the pivot rod for a four speed to convert my 3 speed thanks!! i really need a 4 speed set or any one who will trade??
no just floor it
Is it necessary to use the buttons when upshifting? I only ask because my brother has an '83 Hurst/Olds with lightning rods and with his you can just slide each lever forward to upshift, only using the buttons to downshift. So, I guess I'm trying to figure out whether his are broken or just designed that way.
Is that a Cutlass Supreme or Salon? I have an 86 Cutlass Salon 442 and have the exact Midnight Blue interior. Like the concept of the remake of the lightning rod shifters but I will stick with the factory ones in my 83 Hurst Olds. Are these available yet? and also how would I get them if the originals happen to go bad in my Hurst Olds
It would have been bad ass if the 442 of the same line up would come with the lighting rods like the hurst olds
@Toby Pawlaczyk after pulling the shifter out of park you shouldn't have to push the shifter buttons to up shift thru the gears.
Love it, I so what them for my turbo Buick wagon with GP interior!
kilduff lightening rod shifter is way better
yeah they look a lot less complicated and less steps
Meh, the kilduff is a dorky knock off lightning rod shifter that looks like a kindergarten project gone bad. I've seen a few installs and they look out of place. The goofy rods are too big, they protrude too high and on awkward angles. The factory lightning rod or Toby's rods as shown in the video are true to the originals. I would go dual gate before putting a poser, clone kilduff junk in my car.
L92 Oldsmobile is right. This is a knockoff of the stupidest shifter Hurst ever came out with. Go ahead and show us how smart you are with a response here. I can't wait.
The Kilduff shifter is cheaply made and looks stupid. The guys promoting the Kilduff stuff are working out of a greasy garage and think that laser cutting and stamped steel components are state of the art manufacturing LOL. Hurst should take legal action against Kilduff for using the "lightning rod shifter" trademark while promoting their product. It's a goofy ass knock off. Comon folks, people want the real thing....not an imitation with inferior materials.
Reminds me of the ole Rambler E stick of the '60s ?
Any updates on the shifters(price, reliability, etc....)
For the final shift from drive to over drive, is neutral locked out?
Hey peeps...they came out in 1983/1984...
I had Lightning rods shifter on my Chevelle in 81
its a good consept,,,,,but i think that it would be alot easer to pull back to shift when ya have alot of power that going to throw you back into your seat rather than trying to push them forward,,,,,especialy when ya have to push a knob just to get them to move,,,,,,,,but they do look prety slick
Would like to see what the car looked like!
We have lift off..... nice!
I have the 83 Hurst/Olds with original lightning rod shifters for sale..
Parting out vehicle
How much for the dual snorkel air cleaner assembly, and rear spoiler?
Nice... but I've had 5 sets.... fun with a reverse valve body but besides that a pain in the ass....
I played the Christmas mud bowl with him before!!
Even though I cant put these in my car I luv'd the video Toby! I'm jealous.. now let me wipe up the drool from my mouth! LOL ~ Michele
I thought these came out back in the day.???
i am very interesting in buying a setup for my g body cutlass how do i go about doing it?
I have original 83 Hurst Olds with lightning rod shifters for sale
Parting out vehicle
Music way too loud I can't hear you
im sure you have to push the button on every stick to downshift but do you have to push the button every time to upshift also?
Have the shifter came out yet
I cant wait to order my shifter
How is this different from any transmission with individually selectable gears (manual shift automatics)?
That was cool and sounds great love the G's I just got this recommend so I know this is 4 yrs ago, u still have her? Btw like I said I love the car and thanks for the tutorial but I gotta say GO RAVENS!!! Balti. & Cinci. 2morrow!! Lol✌take care brother
I need these for my 1984 cutlass. Im willing to pay. my cutlass has a 350 small block and a 200 4r 4 speed transmission. so I want this in my cutlass
I need a 4 speed shifter. my shift gauge says 12DNRP even though I have a 123DNRP
I have original 83 Hurst Olds with lightning rod shifters for sale...
Parting out vehicle
Sorry. I don't see any advantage with this setup.
mrferris dude it's basically a automatic that you can switch to a manual. manual transmission cars run faster than automatic
Manual cars dont run faster autos do
Advantage, you can get higher RPM's before you shift. Automatic transmissions often shifts on certain RPM's. If you want to surpass these RPM's this is the way to do it.
@@treefiddyzz3381 Faster acceleration with automatic transmission, looses some topspeed momentum. Manual transmission, slower acceleration gain faster topspeed momentum.
Todays modern automatic transmissions however got a mix between elderly automatic transmissions and manual. That means best of the both worlds. Good acceleration and having it's topspeed momentum left in them.
But if you meant faster acceleration. Yes, automatic transmission got that.
Can you upload this with no background music so it can be heard a little easier? Had to turn it off
I am not sure if the reproduction top plate will fit the GP console. I am installing a set of rods into a monte with a gp console soon, so we will know more later.
I thought about it with a mid 80's T/A.
Can lightning rod shifters work in a 1986, 1987 442?
Technically yes. Because these shifters only work with the TH200 4R, and the 442s all have that same transmission, then if you take the time to hook them up, the will work.
Covey Shooter that's what they come in the Hurst model. they basically are 442s.
@@robertwood6239, now, does Hurst make a lightening rod set up for other trannys?
Well actually they are cable operated I’m sure there’s a way to hook them up to other transmissions
Hellz yeah! I like!
Not trying to be rude but that shifter makes no sense. You want to “pull” your gears not push. The detent buttons would be cumbersome. Nothing a racer would want.
cool how long will it be until i can buy these. also will the top plate and shifter fit a pontiac console?
HOW do we contact you to get these?
I wonder how many were lost to cash for clunkers?
I'd like to install the setup in a 1981 Corvette that has a ZZ-383 latest model GM 450 horsepower GM Performance Crate engine, 750 Barry Grant Double Pumper, Pro-Shot 75 125 Nitrous Fogger ,with a 700-R-4 behind it by TCI with a 3000 RPM electric lock up Stall Converter, and 3.73-1 Dana 44 3rd member. Car is scary fast at 3010 pounds with 5 gallons of low lead 110 octane AV Gas, liquids + me at 185 pounds included,but the single shifter is "stodgy" looking and feeling. The Lightening Rods always excited me since their introduction in the Genuine Hurst Oldsmobile's and their over the counter limited availability for other G body's and a select few other cars. I would like to use a manual trans C-3 Corvette center shift plate, modified if necessary. In your opinion wound this work and is it a viable install even if fabrication is necessary?
Thanks,
Phil
5:33 cool that's what ther for
My kid is rebuilding a car. I wanna buy a set of these for him. How much
Any updates? I want to purchase a set. mines are jammed.
Hi is there one for any ford gearboxes ? fmx,c4 c6 >?
Hey I have all the parts I need shifter ect do you know where can I get it installed properly
I couldn't hear the music with you mumbling
There's a reason they never took off...........
judo4 bagels they really did an still hot to this day. you can't even buy this body for under 10k in GA. basically if you have a Oldsmobile an it doesn't have lightning rods. you really don't have shit unless it's one of the 7s model
mike west that makes them super expensive if you are lucky enough to own one.
Have original 83 Hurst/Olds with lightning rod shifters for sale..
Parting out vehicle
any word on your production yet i really need a set of 4 speed
i have a set in my 1980 cutlass but its a 3 speed set i am going to be changing to a 4l80e so need a 4 speed set any way to change mine to 4 speed?? thanks
Are these available now?
What's "prototype" about this? This shifter operates exactly like the lightning rods shifter in the 1983-1984 Hurst Olds.
Prototype meaning, the first version of an aftermarket copy of the original.
Rob Zombie !!
contact goody parts. he is finishing the project
Toby Pawlaczyk how much did the lightning rod shifters cost
I don't get it, this system just seems so unnecessarily complex. Honestly curious here, what are the advantages, other than the lack of a clutch (which, personally, I would consider a detriment), of this kind of shifter system? Seems to me that a manual transmission, by comparison, would not only be a cheaper and simpler solution, but would allow more precise control over what the car is doing and therefore be faster. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, however.
DerMetzger . it was a cool way to shift faster without as you say using a clutch. they are also very cool in my opinion. does it increase performance in a normal v8 car, no. but many use them at a race track in turbo buicks for drag racing and easibility 1-2, 2-3 shifts
Toby Pawlaczyk alright, fair point, I can see that being an advantage on the strip. Still kinda impractical for daily driving (says a guy who got rid of his a/c and most of his interior to save weight), but truth be told, so is damn near everything that we do to make our cars a little faster. Also, clean install dude.
What’s kind of exhaust you have
Most girls were playing dress up, I was turning wrenches.....
when and where can I buy them ???????
Im looking for a pair of these shifters for my hurstolds.
I have original 83 Hurst Olds with lightning rod shifters for sale.
Parting out vehicle
Looks to me like a whole lot of shifting for no reason. Il stick to my standard. ;)
Special option to blow your torbo 400
How can I get a set like that
whats the purpose of having shifters like that?
@ajmccg No. Hurst shifters like the lightning rod seen here give quicker shifts because of their design.