Three reasons why the Detroit Red Wings may have regressed
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- On Wednesday we did the three reasons the Red Wings may have improved, so today we discussed why they may regress. Youth is a key reason why they could improve, but on the flip side could be why they don't. Also this coaching staff is in year three and has a roster more catered to their system. Will that be able to overcome their bad defensive depth? #LGRW
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I love this channel and the depth to which you drill down on DRWs discussions.
Thanks! Offseason gives ample time to deep dive
Great points.
This season is definitely a question mark in terms of how the team’s progress will be viewed.
But ultimately Stevie has a vision of team culture and regardless how long it takes I believe that vision will be a reality.
Luck is involved as well, I watched the ‘97 playoffs recently and saw tons of luck.
So, as fans we should relax and enjoy the process.
As with life itself!
Thanks fella’s!
How dare you use logic. How dare you be relaxed and chilled out. I demand you get frothy mouthed and start demanding insta-success right this minute!! And if you dont, I demand everyone get fired. Yhea and that includes your golden statue boy Yzerman. Five years. FIVE YEARS. He should have won 10 Cups by now. Your relaxed, logic based approach disgusts me, your obviously not a TRUE FAN (tm) (I'm just kidding ofc)
@@stevebell4853
Nicely done 👍😂
Realism about the Red Wings.
Refreshing.
LALONDE should have been number 1. You guys did a nice job of balancing but the theme is supposed to be the negative. 1. He is a rookie head coach, very rarely do they succeed in their first job. 2. We have watched him for 2 years and he is the opposite of inspiring or positive...basically devoid of personality 3. There has been zero evidence of any system on ice, past performance is the best predictor of future performance. 4. He really has trouble making in game adjustments and sticks to losing lines and lineups way too long. Who knows, maybe he will improve, but i am not holding my breath and there is probably a reason players love him; he has no control and does not push them.
Good points
1. Very few coaches succeed in general, it's a fallacy to say very few succeed as rookies. Bednar and Cooper both rookie head coaches. 2. You have no idea what he's like in the locker room or at practice, you're basing it off how he talks to the media and he would gain very little from being inspiring and emotional when talking to them. I agree with points 3 and 4 for the most part though
Dude he’s going a good job he almost got us to playoff with rental players if we didn’t score the goals we did we were in Trouble and they did there best to keep the ppl they could but it’s now time to let a few younger player and I expect wings will make a move this year trade deadline or before - fact is they don’t play well with Larkin they need to fix that - but think of the good side of things if cat scores 10 more points he huge Raymond finally kinda broke though I expect him to possibly be a point per game - we tried to get stamko didn’t work but they are bringing up players so I think they can make playoffs and think that this is the year we need to see these players make steps - we need to fix the amount of goals let up - something Steve and Malone been preaching - not to mention we beat the crap outta allot the best teams and think we could have upset Fl to be honest maybe 25 percent chance but surely better the caps - and I do agree Malone will be in hot seat if we take huge steps back but long as he keeps moving it forward he’s not going anywhere this league is not easy we need more depth they are banking on some of the rookies to make a slash - Raymond and cat Kane are going to be huge factors - and if Larkin plays full season he’s getting 90 points or so don’t worry trust me Stevie will bring in players needes when time is right we are lucky we got what we did this year having to sign mo and Raymond
And the team did buy In just took the season to really get there and let’s be honest how we are lucky we did what we did when our goalies let up 3-5 goals per game making defense having to block shots like crazy / which is huge part of a good defense but MO what did last year saved our asses allot - if we can get that 3rd line rolling as well or 4th line and one shut down line we could have some really good results - the amount. Of goals let up by bottom six a good defense makes up for that and those players can do what they do within having to worry about goalie letting up goals last mins of periods I do agree it took a while for them to buy in I don’t think he expected us to score like we did sure he was happy about it but he kept saying we are lucky to be wining some
Or these games - I do think this next year is a huge test not only coaching but players as well he needs the players that can do it and sounds like they have allot confidence in the players being brought up and fighting for spots
5. This could also go with point 4. He sticks with a burned out goalie way too long as well
I am hopeful the team plays more smooth defense in the system. Like growing into it a bit better.
Stevie has cap issues to clean up of his own doing. So, getting youth in the line up, while waiting, is a great strategy. And, if injuries are avoided and our youthful additions get better as the season progresses, there is opportunity to make the playoffs.
My belief is that Edvinnson is good enough to be impactful in a positive way. However, the concern is Edvinnson or Seider getting injured. No depth to overcome that scenario.
Edvinnson and Seider are both mutants I wouldnt even worry about it. Edvinnson has got un-earthly reach and Seider is Ironman Supreme. I have the utmost confidence in both those guys come what may.
Everybody rags on Lalonde, but he almost brought a D-corp of Chariot, Maata, Petry, and sometimes Holl (with questionable goaltending) to the playoffs.
We rag on him because he lacks in game adjustments, not inspiring at all and calls out his players in the media . He simply isn’t it .
@Unscheduledsandwich that may be all true, but I bet an inferior coach would have that roster miss the playoffs by 15 points. That defense is atrocious and on Yzerman not Lalonde. He may not be inspiring to the fanbase, but he could be for the players, we don't know what's going on inside the locker room.
@@jacobdavis9424 Kane re-signing tells you everything you need to know about the coach. I rag on him when we're doing badly but in the cold light of day, I think he's a good coach. Is he THE coach? I dont know, I think Larionov might be the guy 2 years down the line when his contract is up, but Lalonde is the man for right now no question. I'm fully gonna rag on the guy on bad nights though, thats a fans perogative.
@@jacobdavis9424 true statement and as you say the D group is on SY, but to be a bit fair it is also a consequence of Ken Holland's... I think people needs to remember this is work in progress not a final product, far from, and it takes time to get it fixed.
I'm still not sold on Lalonde. I think we make the playoffs last year had he been fired after that lifeless March 12th loss to Buffalo. I think that would've been the shot in the arm the Wings needed to make the playoffs. Maybe it might not have been the best decision long term, but I still think it would've been a short-term benefit. That Buffalo game offended me. They embarrassed the Winged Wheel that night with their complete lack of effort. If they were a bad team that put in the effort, that's much more acceptable to me than being a decent team who looks like they have no interest in being on the ice. I've never been as disgusted about the team as I was that night after that game.
"bad newsy" is well, Just "bad newsy". The guy couldn't inspire a snail.
They are bringing up younger prospects now the next couple of years. He is supposed to be good as a developmental coach and works well with young players. That is needed now so I will give some more leash. I do wish he was more animated sometimes though. Think it shows the players that he is in it with them. The part of Tortarella I like is it looks like he is letting the refs know about ridiculousness. Personally, I would feel like my coach was feeling the game just as much as I was. Now, lots of other things about him too so I am not advocating a switch. Hoping we can see good progress from Edvinsson and Berggren. Hope Johansson gets some good looks too.
A lot up in the air, but i do think they will make slight forward progress. The failed Trouba trade really put a wrench in our progression. He would have been a much better partner for Edvinsson than Petry. Our youth could make or break the season.
In 19 we trust. Nuff said
You guys are singing my song with this episode and you are not negative. I agree that this is a make or break season for Lalonde. We know the offense will take a big step backwards with the loss of 70+ goals walking out the door. We have no reason to think the defense will be better with basically the same defense and same top two goaltenders. It was a summer of missed opportunities for Yzerman, he lost out on improving the defense when Trouba blocked the trade to Detroit and lost adding a top rated goaltender when Ullmark chose rival Ottawa. You cannot consider 37 year old Talbot anything more than a consolation prize. Reimer has been falsely victimized by you guys. He did not play enough to be the reason they missed the playoff and in fact when he did finally get in late in the season he outplayed Lyon. .
I honestly think not getting Trouba is a blessing. Not a hater, he would have improved the defense, but his contract would have been horrible. Same reason we didn't make a big splash in free agency. I don't think most of the long term deals given out will age well. Can you imagine a world with Copp, Compher, Husso, and yet another long term deal for an aging UFA that turns into a pylon like Perron?
@@swiftpanda9384 Agree we are are better off without an veteran overpriced great player like Stamkos. At least Kane and Tarasenko contracts are short term.
Enjoy the podcast boys, but need to correct a fairly egregious error you made. The Wings were indeed in the top 10 for goals scored with 275. However, they were not top 10 in goals against, they were actually 24 in the league in goals against with 273. If you use the hockey reference site and aren't careful how you sort the teams (top down, or , bottom up) you can make that error.
"Impointant"
Biggest problems were lack of defensive grit and injuries. Coaching isn't our issue
The coach's role is about his own theory of profession and competence on paper. From the paper we can deduce that there are four versions of coaches' speeches about their professional role.
1. Is about a coach coaching clients (players) to their goals.
2. That it is a complex professional role under development.
3. The third version is about a coach having and developing several competencies. *Often stated about past experiences and how that knowledge is relevant today.
4. The fourth is experience-based and practical competence is important for the coach's professional role, but that the competence is disparate and that the requirements must be raised. *See item 3 in conclusion.
@billjohansson88 brother were chatting sports puck. Why you making this read like my corpo emails lmao
Bad News is why they'll regress. He's a B coach that's in over his head.
#TrashThePatch
Every team in the atlantic is trying to make the playoffs....lol should be interesting
Wow I can’t believe how negative you guys are!
How much longer does SY get a pass if they don't make the playoffs again? Half the league makes the playoffs and this would be 6 years under his watch
Who do you want as GM?
Nobody but I'm sure there are people that would@@WayneGibbous
I don’t even see a problem with yzerman. Mistakes were made for sure. But I think he has done well. I mean look at Edmonton. Took them forever to be competitive outside of one year. And they had like 5 top 3 picks including the best player in hockey. It takes a while to make a good team. I do think Detroit either is the same or maybe a little worse in 2024/25. 25/26 outlook actually seems much better.
As long as there's butts in the seats and Chris Illich keeps raking in the dough, Steve's not going anywhere.
@@dukeford Bottom line. Yzerman is an Illitch family friend. No way is he getting fired on the strength of some disgruntled emotionally unblalanced onliners. Thats just living in la la land. He aint perfect, but nobody's going to work harder for this organization than him and thats another bottom line.