The trouble with modern trains is that the guard isn't always on the ball unlocking the doors, which leads to delays. The train guards need to get their fingers out.
One five car train is the new Rail Adhesion Train, works mainly on the Metropolitan line and is looked after at Neasden depot. It has taken over the 5 car A60 stock which was doing it previously. The D Stock did most of the main District line services except Wimbledon to Edgware Road as the platforms north of High Street Kensington were too short for D Stock and so C Stock did that route instead.
As far as I’m aware there are two D stock trains, I believe one was meant to serve the District as an Adhesion but the defects are that bad they’ve decided to keep the train for parts to keep the RAT going. Such a shame. I miss the D stock.
Thanks for the comparison - above all, we get to hear that the high pitched whine from the power electronics only happens at low speed - clips from Bo'ness were all low speed and filmed from outside, so that whine was incessant
Back then when I traveled to London in 2014, I've ridden on one of these on the District Line. My initial reactions when I first boarded it, I was complete disbelief. Their cabin rooms are taller than what I'm used to travelling around in the Singapore MRTs back home. I was even more surprised when the D stock unlike the fates of the older 2 Sub-Surface (The A and C Stocks) Rolling Stock survived a "full-fleet demolition." as they're given a new identity and a new lease of life serving the countryside to live another day.
Why did they scrap the d78 stock? That stock was a true highlight of what would be the london district line? They didn't have to scrap them. The way to save them would have been another referbishment to them. I want the d78 stock back on the underground district line, this is so unfair. Is there anywhere where you can still ride a d78 stock train?
No, there is not really anywhere to ride the original d78 stock anywhere, Best thing you can do is either watch the d stock rat trains roaming about on the district line or ride on the class 484 or 230 which are d stock trains that have been refurbished and made to ran on standard national rail. i believe only a few units have been scrapped, while id kill to ride an original d stock again as i used to ride it a bit when i was younger and i have a thing of preferring on what i am used to, and its life being cut a little earlier than other tube trains at only 37 years. it being replaced is for the better, as other subsurface stock were also getting old and the d stock was also showing its age so it would make sense to replace it too, but yeah the s stock doesn't give the same underground train vibe like its predecessors.
I agree that the S Stock doesn't sound anything like the previous batches, ie the long continuous humming sound of older batches is non existent on the S Stock; it is hard to describe what the S Stock sounds like when travelling on board. I much preferred the D Stock in it's original form.@@crawler-trainspotting
you probably dont know, but is the overall station to station and dwell time quicker with the Class 230 compared to the previous stock on this line. I was never a big fan of either D78 or the C Stock (CO/CP stock for me !! - or A Stock), but I think on BR (oops NR) tracks the Class 230 seems fairly good on lines where 100mph+ stock are not chasing it !
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Thank you. I am not sure if I will be able to be on them on that day, but I hope to travel on them soon. A lot does still depends on the covid situation as I am a carer for extremely vulnerable people who have been told by the government that they should still continue to be careful and shield.
Hello, I've looked in one of Brian Hardy's books about the London Underground fleet and Modern Railways March 1980 which has a feature on these and the Class 508's which were also new for London at that time. I am sorry to say that neither of these included this information. My guesstimate is camshaft - because a thyristor system would make distinctive sounds which are not associated with these trains.
Although DC motors have a nice hum to them I don't think either can beat the distinctive sound of GTO inverters (323, T68A, etc). If I ever bought an electric car I would want to see if I could have the equipment swapped out to make it sound like a T68A.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Definitely had RPA. They were only tarted up on the top and with passenger info system by LT. Traction and control remained as delivered. Lovely lazy train to drive, enjoyed every moment of it. They were like a different train when they went over the boundary to Richmond or Wimbledon. Even the crappy old C stock could almost keep a cup of coffee from spilling in the cab there, the D rode beautifully on properly maintained rail and they were more lively at Richmond as well.
The railway used police helicopter patrols to watch for vandalism - and apprehend the vandals. It is extremely difficult to flee a helicopter looking down from above.
Not sure what you mean about "beyond your adjacent car" but the D-Train has only taken the two driving ends of a D-Stock train and stuck them together. The other 4 cars have gone. I know they had another driving unit in the middle of a D-Stock train. I don't know if they have pulled all of them out, so that they could potentially make 3 new D-Trains out of every 2 old D-Stock trains, but they might be scrapping 3 D-Stock carriages out of every train they convert.
D Stock trains were usually 6 cars long but in reality these were 3 car trainsets coupled together. Most of these trainsets comprised a driving motor (DM), a trailer and an uncoupling non-driving motor car (UNDM) The UNDM cars did not have drivers cabs, as they were in the middle of the trains. ie: DM - T - UNDM - UNDM - T - DM. A small number of trains had a DM at each end, so could work as 3 car trains - or in multiple with another trainset to form a 6 car train. ie: DM - T - DM - UNDM - T - DM. As far as I am aware Vivarail only bought DM and T cars and the UNDM's were all scrapped.
The tfw class 230’s sound similar well the first and last carriages however they now delayed entering service now till the autumn. Think they need bigger engines from cat rather than these flimsy ford transit engines
A plus point is we might actually see a tube train on a preserved railway some day, since they are diesel they could run on one. (Of course dependant on if anyone picks them up but if there are those want Pacers then there'll be people who want these).
@@hi-viz The class 230 (D Train) is being introduced to service at the moment on the Marston Vale line (Bedford to Bletchley) as shown in this video, so they should run in passenger service for some time to come.
Imaginative and sensible reuse of stock, with so much going for it in new technology terms.....BUT......the interior is a bit depressing. The inclusion of the high backed seats is a mistake......the interior is far too claustrophobic with this type of seating......all the natural light is broken up. Why did nobody spot the mismatch between the side longitudinal seating and the high backed seats when they were fitting these trains out.....? I am unsure where the fascination and fixation with this type of seating comes from.......is it the train companies falling for the same nonsensical seating that we see elsewhere...........or is it the Department of Transport, (or whatever it's called these days), or any number of the myriad other organisations involved in managing our railways........? Or is it the dead hand of the EU .....and / or the Health & Safety lunatics....? These high backed (plastic shell), seats are not a patch on those we had on the original Mark 3 stock.........which carried over into the HST's. Even the original seating on the Pacers was better than some of what we see today.. We don't need this on the mainline.......Infact we don't need this anywhere. After all these years, (since who remembers when), we have seating on trains getting worse and worse...... As far as the remodeled D-Stock is concerned it would have shown more imagination to include some of the open bays of transverse seating like we used to get on the Underground....... as low as the side seating and letting in more light. James Hennighan Yorkshire, England PS Why the hidious two-tone nonsense for the door opening.....? It's like a half-barrier level crossing.......so unnecessary. Which fool thought this a good idea....?
The trouble with modern trains is that the guard isn't always on the ball unlocking the doors, which leads to delays. The train guards need to get their fingers out.
they may be part-way through selling tickets. Yes the delay can be a nuisance.
One five car train is the new Rail Adhesion Train, works mainly on the Metropolitan line and is looked after at Neasden depot.
It has taken over the 5 car A60 stock which was doing it previously.
The D Stock did most of the main District line services except Wimbledon to Edgware Road as the platforms north of High Street Kensington were too short for D Stock and so C Stock did that route instead.
As far as I’m aware there are two D stock trains, I believe one was meant to serve the District as an Adhesion but the defects are that bad they’ve decided to keep the train for parts to keep the RAT going. Such a shame. I miss the D stock.
The technical name of the London Underground version is "D78" stock.
Thanks for the comparison - above all, we get to hear that the high pitched whine from the power electronics only happens at low speed - clips from Bo'ness were all low speed and filmed from outside, so that whine was incessant
D78 stock featured the voices of Emma Clarke and Sarah Parnell (Sarah only featured on newer recordings).
now it has ruth announcements
Back then when I traveled to London in 2014, I've ridden on one of these on the District Line. My initial reactions when I first boarded it, I was complete disbelief. Their cabin rooms are taller than what I'm used to travelling around in the Singapore MRTs back home. I was even more surprised when the D stock unlike the fates of the older 2 Sub-Surface (The A and C Stocks) Rolling Stock survived a "full-fleet demolition." as they're given a new identity and a new lease of life serving the countryside to live another day.
Still these SMRT trains are way taller than all of the Tube trains.
Why did they scrap the d78 stock? That stock was a true highlight of what would be the london district line? They didn't have to scrap them. The way to save them would have been another referbishment to them. I want the d78 stock back on the underground district line, this is so unfair.
Is there anywhere where you can still ride a d78 stock train?
No, there is not really anywhere to ride the original d78 stock anywhere, Best thing you can do is either watch the d stock rat trains roaming about on the district line or ride on the class 484 or 230 which are d stock trains that have been refurbished and made to ran on standard national rail. i believe only a few units have been scrapped, while id kill to ride an original d stock again as i used to ride it a bit when i was younger and i have a thing of preferring on what i am used to, and its life being cut a little earlier than other tube trains at only 37 years. it being replaced is for the better, as other subsurface stock were also getting old and the d stock was also showing its age so it would make sense to replace it too, but yeah the s stock doesn't give the same underground train vibe like its predecessors.
I agree that the S Stock doesn't sound anything like the previous batches, ie the long continuous humming sound of older batches is non existent on the S Stock; it is hard to describe what the S Stock sounds like when travelling on board. I much preferred the D Stock in it's original form.@@crawler-trainspotting
They became the class 484 and 230
The D Stock Wasn’t Scrapped
you probably dont know, but is the overall station to station and dwell time quicker with the Class 230 compared to the previous stock on this line. I was never a big fan of either D78 or the C Stock (CO/CP stock for me !! - or A Stock), but I think on BR (oops NR) tracks the Class 230 seems fairly good on lines where 100mph+ stock are not chasing it !
as you surmised, I do not know this. We may find out however, if the timetables are changed to take into account faster journeys.
CO / CP / R ... ah, happy memories for me too
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Noticed that the Bedford trains had annoying door buzzers fitted, the speed of the doors was the same, yet didn’t open and close the same.
3:21 12 seconds !
I miss them
I do as well.
Me too. Not the same having S stock’s rattling through.
The D Train sounds like it is trying to be an Electrostar, announcements and all lol
announcements are required by law, for the benefit of blind people.
@@CitytransportInfoplus eh? where did I say I don't know what announcements are for. It was an observation that it sounds like an Electrostar.
@@CitytransportInfoplus For some reason i recently took a ride on the hammersmith and city line and there were absolutely no announcements
@@ElectroRail sometimes they don't work or the driver hasn't got them enabled. They should be on ./
@@CitytransportInfoplus did that only become law in the 2000s?
How was this recorded after the end of district d service
Some of the D stock trains which were on the District line are now used (or will be used 'very soon') on other services in other parts of the UK
VivaRail class 484 trains will enter service for Island Line with the first train leaving St John’s Road Ryde at 05:35 AM on Monday 01st November 2021
Thank you. I am not sure if I will be able to be on them on that day, but I hope to travel on them soon. A lot does still depends on the covid situation as I am a carer for extremely vulnerable people who have been told by the government that they should still continue to be careful and shield.
So it’s basically a new routemaster style train now.
LOL!
Have the DC motors been replaced? The coil whine at the start-up makes me think the camshaft was replaced with a PWM setup
I think the trains were converted to AC drive, whether the motors were also replaced I do not know
Tu as encore des trajets dans le D stock ?
No. Filmed 2012 - 2016
@@CitytransportInfoplus ah ok
The D train sounds like the D stock with a defect 😂
it will be interesting to compare this with other Vivarail D stock trains
citytransportinfo certainly will, there’s a few different types already.
XD it just says this is a district line train
Wow. NY did not refurbish the R-32 stock for more than a decade
If you want to compare with a NYC subway train, a R46 or a R62 would be more adapted as these D-Stock trains came in 1979
The 2nd d stock is an electric
Note: Title spelt wrong (with both parts/videos)
Did they originally have camshaft or thyristor control equipment?
Hello, I've looked in one of Brian Hardy's books about the London Underground fleet and Modern Railways March 1980 which has a feature on these and the Class 508's which were also new for London at that time. I am sorry to say that neither of these included this information. My guesstimate is camshaft - because a thyristor system would make distinctive sounds which are not associated with these trains.
@@CitytransportInfoplus I always thought the 508's had thyristor equipment as the 314's and 315's did, although the 313's were camshaft.
Although DC motors have a nice hum to them I don't think either can beat the distinctive sound of GTO inverters (323, T68A, etc). If I ever bought an electric car I would want to see if I could have the equipment swapped out to make it sound like a T68A.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Definitely had RPA. They were only tarted up on the top and with passenger info system by LT. Traction and control remained as delivered. Lovely lazy train to drive, enjoyed every moment of it. They were like a different train when they went over the boundary to Richmond or Wimbledon. Even the crappy old C stock could almost keep a cup of coffee from spilling in the cab there, the D rode beautifully on properly maintained rail and they were more lively at Richmond as well.
One thing I’ll never understand about these trains is what made them add a helicopter on a sticker to do with vandalism
The railway used police helicopter patrols to watch for vandalism - and apprehend the vandals. It is extremely difficult to flee a helicopter looking down from above.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Oh right, that makes sense
Interesting how all those panes of glass on the modified electric version still obscured viewing beyond your adjacent car.
Not sure what you mean about "beyond your adjacent car" but the D-Train has only taken the two driving ends of a D-Stock train and stuck them together. The other 4 cars have gone.
I know they had another driving unit in the middle of a D-Stock train. I don't know if they have pulled all of them out, so that they could potentially make 3 new D-Trains out of every 2 old D-Stock trains, but they might be scrapping 3 D-Stock carriages out of every train they convert.
As a refurbished metropolitan unit, not as a currently overhauled county one..the fella had been filming from the back of the metro, hadn't he?
D Stock trains were usually 6 cars long but in reality these were 3 car trainsets coupled together.
Most of these trainsets comprised a driving motor (DM), a trailer and an uncoupling non-driving motor car (UNDM) The UNDM cars did not have drivers cabs, as they were in the middle of the trains.
ie: DM - T - UNDM - UNDM - T - DM.
A small number of trains had a DM at each end, so could work as 3 car trains - or in multiple with another trainset to form a 6 car train.
ie: DM - T - DM - UNDM - T - DM.
As far as I am aware Vivarail only bought DM and T cars and the UNDM's were all scrapped.
What must uncoupling imply?
Nice
A year ago?
District line footage 2012 - 2015
The tfw class 230’s sound similar well the first and last carriages however they now delayed entering service now till the autumn. Think they need bigger engines from cat rather than these flimsy ford transit engines
Now I’m 10 yrs old
That sounds like 81-717/714
Yeah kind of. But the D Stock doesn't make you deaf 😂
That's a D Stock and That's a Class 230
Same thing basically
Yeah but they changed it
A bit
I got to ride them but I was a baby 2014 2015 2016 and2017
My favourite train has been ruined...
So you'd prefer them scrapped?
@@hi-viz Of course not.
It is much better to see them as class 230s than go the way of the A and C stock. I hear that they kept the original traction motors too.
A plus point is we might actually see a tube train on a preserved railway some day, since they are diesel they could run on one. (Of course dependant on if anyone picks them up but if there are those want Pacers then there'll be people who want these).
@@hi-viz The class 230 (D Train) is being introduced to service at the moment on the Marston Vale line (Bedford to Bletchley) as shown in this video, so they should run in passenger service for some time to come.
Imaginative and sensible reuse of stock, with so much going for it in new technology terms.....BUT......the interior is a bit depressing.
The inclusion of the high backed seats is a mistake......the interior is far too claustrophobic with this type of seating......all the natural light is broken up.
Why did nobody spot the mismatch between the side longitudinal seating and the high backed seats when they were fitting these trains out.....?
I am unsure where the fascination and fixation with this type of seating comes from.......is it the train companies falling for the same nonsensical seating that we see elsewhere...........or is it the Department of Transport, (or whatever it's called these days), or any number of the myriad other organisations involved in managing our railways........?
Or is it the dead hand of the EU .....and / or the Health & Safety lunatics....?
These high backed (plastic shell), seats are not a patch on those we had on the original Mark 3 stock.........which carried over into the HST's.
Even the original seating on the Pacers was better than some of what we see today..
We don't need this on the mainline.......Infact we don't need this anywhere.
After all these years, (since who remembers when), we have seating on trains getting worse and worse......
As far as the remodeled D-Stock is concerned it would have shown more imagination to include some of the open bays of transverse seating like we used to get on the Underground....... as low as the side seating and letting in more light.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
PS
Why the hidious two-tone nonsense for the door opening.....?
It's like a half-barrier level crossing.......so unnecessary.
Which fool thought this a good idea....?
What so you mean by 2 tone door opening?
1:21 is someones phone ringing lol
I miss the d stock
D78 stock last train 🚆